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Singulis Pacifica Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 153	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:40:00 - [1] - Quote I've encountered this quite often in high-sec. I scan a new DED site and start to destroy the rats. Then when I'm about to enter the last section, someone enters, hurries to the next gate and grabs the target with the best loot. I understand it's all part of the sandbox, but what options do I have? Is it just a matter of more dps on my ship ? Or can something else be done about it? please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-)
Verunae Caseti Viziam Amarr Empire 149	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:46:00 - [2] - Quote Be either faster, stronger, or smarter. Preferably a combination of the three. Things that will not help: "not QQing" on the forums.
Setaceous Nexus Prima 190	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:52:00 - [3] - Quote More DPS or make it faster. Or both.
Seraph Essael Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 36	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:53:00 - [4] - Quote I have had this ALOT. Pretty much got two options (If you know you can't beat them to the end of the DED site): a) Move systems. (I moved 30 jumps to get away from people doing it (across the map of empire space)) b) Attack them. One of three things will happen here: 1) You get CONCORDed but you blow their ship up (instant satisfaction). 2) They provide you with a hail of fire and blow you up as CONCORD arrive on scene. 3) CONCORD kills you. Unfortunately, there really is naff all you can do in this situation other than mark them as red on contacts and remember them... Remember them and when you're in a corp that can pvp, go hunting! Yes, it really is annoying.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 3070	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:55:00 - [5] - Quote Bring a bumpy friend. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Vesen Jouhinen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:55:00 - [6] - Quote Quote: Not QQ-ing on the matter You know its gonna be a QQ thread when that is in the title.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 602	Posted - 2013.07.24 02:00:00 - [7] - Quote Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem... ...In the last hour. ETA: I'll help you. Your option is to go to lowsec. There, anyone coming into your plex is coming to kill you for your **. The bonus is that you can attempt to kill them first, with no silly CONCORD intervention. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters** to speak to a recruiter.
GreenSeed 592	Posted - 2013.07.24 02:09:00 - [8] - Quote if you were killing rats when the gate was unlocked then... why were you shooting at the rats? read on the sites, carry in your hold the gold tags, hacker cards, etc to skip rooms. learn the triggers, kill only the dps that you need to sustain your tank while you kill and loot the lootship. and above all, deal faction specific damage and fit a faction specific tank. use faction ammo or T2, depending on the target. carry paste to repair the modules that you should be overloading, etc, etc. a faction specific tank that pushes resists up to 70% therm/kin tank can make sites like the serpentis 4/10 extremely easy to tank. a caracal can do it with t2 hams, and since the last ship is a battleship you will apply the paper DPS shooting rage missiles. i know that for a new player that might be pushing it, but the same tank on a drake will pretty much make the drake invulnerable to the rats. and require a lot less training. if you can afford it the pirate variants like the gila can make highsec sites even faster than with the old t3. remember that the people that fly around blitzing those sites are pushing their tanks to the limit. often they fit omnitanks so they don't have to refit, so if they steal your stuff follow them and if you have a few catalysts and a few corpmates, help the NPCs defend their overseer!.
Warcalibre FDA Shipwrights Tri-Star Galactic Industries 72	Posted - 2013.07.24 02:10:00 - [9] - Quote Play WoW.
Singulis Pacifica Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 154	Posted - 2013.07.24 02:17:00 - [10] - Quote Vesen Jouhinen wrote: You know its gonna be a QQ thread when that is in the title. Mmm, I suppose you need to actually read the post before you post. I am not complaining on the matter, it's just frustrating to see all the work you down the drain. Domanique Altares wrote: Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem... ...In the last hour. Well, if this is encountered a lot (wasn't aware of that many people post about it), perhaps CCP could look into it. It would definitely help new players with their exploration efforts. On the matter of low-sec, I've thought about it, because you can at least fire at them without CONCORD interference, but I'll do the option Seraph Essael provided. Thanks for that Seraph, I'll move systems to a hopefully remote area that hardly anyone visits. And also thanks to everyone else providing feedback and tips. It's appreciated.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 3168	Posted - 2013.07.24 03:41:00 - [11] - Quote Why are you wasting your time with highsec DED sites?
Joan Greywind Temnava Legion No Holes Barred 73	Posted - 2013.07.24 08:42:00 - [12] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Why are you wasting your time with highsec DED sites? Slight correction: why are you wasting your time in highsec?
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 5511	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:03:00 - [13] - Quote Singulis Pacifica wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem... ...In the last hour. Well, if this is encountered a lot (wasn't aware of that many people post about it), perhaps CCP could look into it. It would definitely help new players with their exploration efforts. On the matter of low-sec, I've thought about it, because you can at least fire at them without CONCORD interference, but I'll do the option Seraph Essael provided. Thanks for that Seraph, I'll move systems to a hopefully remote area that hardly anyone visits. And also thanks to everyone else providing feedback and tips. It's appreciated. It's encountered a lot, but it's not a problem to be addressed. It's a system, that is working exactly like intended. Exploration is a competition sport both in doing the sites and in the loot department. The raw ISK you get from the sites is pathetic compared to other activities, so it's the potential loot drops, that make it at all worthwhile. It's important to stress the point, that no one owns the sites and the final drop belongs to you only when it's in your cargobay. Until that point it's free for everyone to get. As long as you don't act according to this, you're going to be the loser in those races and making terrible threads about how someone else should do something about it, so you don't have to. Exploration in highsec has some unique peculiarities though. The most important is, that highsec aggression rules mean immediately aggressing the competition isn't an option, so it leans heavily towards speed racing for the final target. There are some occasional fights when people go suspect, but that happens only in a small percentage of total number of sites done. Until you've got the final loot drop safely in your cargobay you need to ignore all secondary considerations and targets. You also need to fit your ship with high DPS and speed in mind. Everything you do to prepare for the sites and your actions in the sites should be filtered through this simple question: "Will this will allow me to complete the site faster?".
Diesel47 Bad Men Ltd. 718	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:05:00 - [14] - Quote Get a disposable alt to suicide gank anybody that comes in.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8454	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:10:00 - [15] - Quote They get suspect flagged if they loot a wreck that belongs to you (i.e. the wreck of an NPC you blew up) so a suicide gank isn't necessary. They can, however, shoot back without consequences if you decide to engage them when they're flagged. So there's that. Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
dexington Dexington Corporation 712	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:53:00 - [16] - Quote Singulis Pacifica wrote: please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-) You can leave hi-sec, the competition in low-sec is not as bad as hi-sec, at lease it's possible to find less crowded areas. If you want to stay in hi-sec you can start flying faster ships, there are some really good T2 and faction cruisers, or you can fly with a PvP fit and just kill the guy stealing your loot. PvP'ing in the exploration sites does require that you get the kill and the other guy steals the loot, which it not always what happens, if he gets the kill there is really not much you can do, except try and steal it from him. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Hugo Z Hackenbush State War Academy Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.07.24 10:05:00 - [17] - Quote How dare you ask a question in here! Ofc the crusty hole munchers will shoot you down with their normal "U R QQing!!!1omg!1!!" line. Personally I love it, CCP wants moar subs, and yet the scum drive them away! yeehaw! Eve is like the way that gun law equals a lot of deaths followed by a lot of people being real nice to each other, well, it would be if we all had our names and address posted on our character info! I wonder just how many players would still act like assholes? Fly safe, and lock your back door tonight!
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1017	Posted - 2013.07.24 10:10:00 - [18] - Quote Singulis Pacifica wrote: I've encountered this quite often in high-sec. I scan a new DED site and start to destroy the rats. Then when I'm about to enter the last section, someone enters, hurries to the next gate and grabs the target with the best loot. I understand it's all part of the sandbox, but what options do I have? Is it just a matter of more dps on my ship ? Or can something else be done about it? please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-) Bring a fast frigate alt with prototype cloak and T1 sebos/guns , target the expensive wreck: kill it Pay some isk to mercs to harass that guy and kill it for a month, at each kill mail remember about sending your sincere congratulations vOv his nick in local, make him get mad. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Jorden Ishonen Kinetic Technologies 87	Posted - 2013.07.24 10:25:00 - [19] - Quote Hugo Z Hackenbush wrote: How dare you ask a question in here! Ofc the crusty hole munchers will shoot you down with their normal "U R QQing!!!1omg!1!!" line. Personally I love it, CCP wants moar subs, and yet the scum drive them away! yeehaw! Which is why EVE has grown in size every year for ten years, amirite? EVE is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. And I wouldn't have it any other way. That said, it's nice having people like you around. I need loot pinatas to distract the gankers from my activities.
Liafcipe9000 Smeghead Empire 8833	Posted - 2013.07.24 10:42:00 - [20] - Quote that's called "blitzing" - it works best when someone else is in the complex. kill the !MANDATORY! rats then make a dash for the boss, kill it, loot it, and bug out. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad.
Daisai The Riot Formation 122	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:07:00 - [21] - Quote Get a couple of friends in suicide ships and gank him.
Jorden Ishonen Kinetic Technologies 87	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:32:00 - [22] - Quote Daisai wrote: Get a couple of friends in suicide ships and gank him. OP already ruled that out because...well, because.
Fr00b Snap Photon Scorpions 9	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:44:00 - [23] - Quote Bring ammo according to his resist holes, fit scram and web. Kill him when you steal his loot and he shoots you or when he steals your loot.
Setaceous Nexus Prima 195	Posted - 2013.07.24 20:44:00 - [24] - Quote Joan Greywind wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Why are you wasting your time with highsec DED sites? Slight correction: why are you wasting your time in highsec? Tired response. Why are you wasting our time with trolling? I guess that question kind of answers itself really.....
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 105	Posted - 2013.07.24 22:03:00 - [25] - Quote - fit a MWD - fit a point - pack as much DPS as you can - set safety to yellow - get to the drop before it pops - loot the faction loot whether it belongs to your or not
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1392	Posted - 2013.07.24 22:43:00 - [26] - Quote After having thought about the OP's post for sometime, I've come to a conclusion. Apparently, making people who steal loot from mission runners and ore from miners is not enough. In order to insure that noone steals anything from anyone anywhere and by any means all players who enter HS should therefore be flagged a suspect. No exceptions. CCP, make is so! HTFU!...for the children!
Hugo Z Hackenbush State War Academy Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.07.25 11:51:00 - [27] - Quote Jorden Ishonen wrote: Hugo Z Hackenbush wrote: How dare you ask a question in here! Ofc the crusty hole munchers will shoot you down with their normal "U R QQing!!!1omg!1!!" line. Personally I love it, CCP wants moar subs, and yet the scum drive them away! yeehaw! Which is why EVE has grown in size every year for ten years, amirite? EVE is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. And I wouldn't have it any other way. That said, it's nice having people like you around. I need loot pinatas to distract the gankers from my activities. If you can find me, you can do as you please! Go on, enjoy it! I know where you live! Eve is like the way that gun law equals a lot of deaths followed by a lot of people being real nice to each other, well, it would be if we all had our names and address posted on our character info! I wonder just how many players would still act like assholes? Fly safe, and lock your back door tonight!
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates. 25	Posted - 2013.07.25 11:58:00 - [28] - Quote Singulis Pacifica wrote: I've encountered this quite often in high-sec. I scan a new DED site and start to destroy the rats. Then when I'm about to enter the last section, someone enters, hurries to the next gate and grabs the target with the best loot. I understand it's all part of the sandbox, but what options do I have? Is it just a matter of more dps on my ship ? Or can something else be done about it? please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-) I do ded sites in 0.0 sec , then the last rat could be billions of worth , we always try to shoot that rat first and grab the loot. Like the guy did it to you, just kill as fast possible the loot rat
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 241	Posted - 2013.07.25 12:01:00 - [29] - Quote Singulis Pacifica wrote: I've encountered this quite often in high-sec. I scan a new DED site and start to destroy the rats. Then when I'm about to enter the last section, someone enters, hurries to the next gate and grabs the target with the best loot. I understand it's all part of the sandbox, but what options do I have? Is it just a matter of more dps on my ship ? Or can something else be done about it? please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-) Ignore the other targets, they're just the sugar topping. You want the cake and if possible the whole cake. Kill the rats only after You've got Your cake, sugar is fine but no adequate substitude for real, delicious cake. With chocolate chips. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Marianne Pollard Everyone's Irrelevant 81	Posted - 2013.07.25 12:06:00 - [30] - Quote Ever tried being the thief and not the victim? It's fun, profitable and saves you time and effort. Fit for PvP - when they steal out of your shiny wreck and go yellow, you may even get a kill out of it too. The last thing they'll be expecting is a nub in an NPC corp to point them. Brown trousers all around. Wonderful. Mocking the afflicted since 2013.

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