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Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
153
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:40:00 -
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I've encountered this quite often in high-sec. I scan a new DED site and start to destroy the rats. Then when I'm about to enter the last section, someone enters, hurries to the next gate and grabs the target with the best loot.
I understand it's all part of the sandbox, but what options do I have? Is it just a matter of more dps on my ship ? Or can something else be done about it?
please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-) |

Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:46:00 -
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Be either faster, stronger, or smarter. Preferably a combination of the three.
Things that will not help: "not QQing" on the forums. |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
190
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:52:00 -
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More DPS or make it faster. Or both. |

Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:53:00 -
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I have had this ALOT. Pretty much got two options (If you know you can't beat them to the end of the DED site):
a) Move systems. (I moved 30 jumps to get away from people doing it (across the map of empire space)) b) Attack them. One of three things will happen here:
1) You get CONCORDed but you blow their ship up (instant satisfaction). 2) They provide you with a hail of fire and blow you up as CONCORD arrive on scene. 3) CONCORD kills you.
Unfortunately, there really is naff all you can do in this situation other than mark them as red on contacts and remember them... Remember them and when you're in a corp that can pvp, go hunting!
Yes, it really is annoying. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3070
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:55:00 -
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Bring a bumpy friend.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Vesen Jouhinen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:55:00 -
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Quote:Not QQ-ing on the matter
You know its gonna be a QQ thread when that is in the title. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
602
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:00:00 -
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Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
ETA: I'll help you. Your option is to go to lowsec. There, anyone coming into your plex is coming to kill you for your ****. The bonus is that you can attempt to kill them first, with no silly CONCORD intervention. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |

GreenSeed
592
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:09:00 -
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if you were killing rats when the gate was unlocked then... why were you shooting at the rats?
read on the sites, carry in your hold the gold tags, hacker cards, etc to skip rooms. learn the triggers, kill only the dps that you need to sustain your tank while you kill and loot the lootship. and above all, deal faction specific damage and fit a faction specific tank. use faction ammo or T2, depending on the target. carry paste to repair the modules that you should be overloading, etc, etc.
a faction specific tank that pushes resists up to 70% therm/kin tank can make sites like the serpentis 4/10 extremely easy to tank. a caracal can do it with t2 hams, and since the last ship is a battleship you will apply the paper DPS shooting rage missiles. i know that for a new player that might be pushing it, but the same tank on a drake will pretty much make the drake invulnerable to the rats. and require a lot less training.
if you can afford it the pirate variants like the gila can make highsec sites even faster than with the old t3.
remember that the people that fly around blitzing those sites are pushing their tanks to the limit. often they fit omnitanks so they don't have to refit, so if they steal your stuff follow them and if you have a few catalysts and a few corpmates, help the NPCs defend their overseer!.  |

Warcalibre
FDA Shipwrights Tri-Star Galactic Industries
72
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:10:00 -
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Play WoW. |

Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
154
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:17:00 -
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Vesen Jouhinen wrote:
You know its gonna be a QQ thread when that is in the title.
Mmm, I suppose you need to actually read the post before you post. I am not complaining on the matter, it's just frustrating to see all the work you down the drain.
Domanique Altares wrote: Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
Well, if this is encountered a lot (wasn't aware of that many people post about it), perhaps CCP could look into it. It would definitely help new players with their exploration efforts. On the matter of low-sec, I've thought about it, because you can at least fire at them without CONCORD interference, but I'll do the option Seraph Essael provided.
Thanks for that Seraph, I'll move systems to a hopefully remote area that hardly anyone visits. And also thanks to everyone else providing feedback and tips. It's appreciated. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3168
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:41:00 -
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Why are you wasting your time with highsec DED sites?
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Joan Greywind
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
73
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:42:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Why are you wasting your time with highsec DED sites?
Slight correction: why are you wasting your time in highsec? |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5511
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:03:00 -
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Singulis Pacifica wrote:Domanique Altares wrote: Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
Well, if this is encountered a lot (wasn't aware of that many people post about it), perhaps CCP could look into it. It would definitely help new players with their exploration efforts. On the matter of low-sec, I've thought about it, because you can at least fire at them without CONCORD interference, but I'll do the option Seraph Essael provided. Thanks for that Seraph, I'll move systems to a hopefully remote area that hardly anyone visits. And also thanks to everyone else providing feedback and tips. It's appreciated.
It's encountered a lot, but it's not a problem to be addressed. It's a system, that is working exactly like intended. Exploration is a competition sport both in doing the sites and in the loot department. The raw ISK you get from the sites is pathetic compared to other activities, so it's the potential loot drops, that make it at all worthwhile. It's important to stress the point, that no one owns the sites and the final drop belongs to you only when it's in your cargobay. Until that point it's free for everyone to get. As long as you don't act according to this, you're going to be the loser in those races and making terrible threads about how someone else should do something about it, so you don't have to.
Exploration in highsec has some unique peculiarities though. The most important is, that highsec aggression rules mean immediately aggressing the competition isn't an option, so it leans heavily towards speed racing for the final target. There are some occasional fights when people go suspect, but that happens only in a small percentage of total number of sites done. Until you've got the final loot drop safely in your cargobay you need to ignore all secondary considerations and targets. You also need to fit your ship with high DPS and speed in mind. Everything you do to prepare for the sites and your actions in the sites should be filtered through this simple question: "Will this will allow me to complete the site faster?". |

Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
718
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:05:00 -
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Get a disposable alt to suicide gank anybody that comes in. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8454
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:10:00 -
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They get suspect flagged if they loot a wreck that belongs to you (i.e. the wreck of an NPC you blew up) so a suicide gank isn't necessary.
They can, however, shoot back without consequences if you decide to engage them when they're flagged. So there's that. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

dexington
Dexington Corporation
712
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:53:00 -
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Singulis Pacifica wrote:please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-)
You can leave hi-sec, the competition in low-sec is not as bad as hi-sec, at lease it's possible to find less crowded areas.
If you want to stay in hi-sec you can start flying faster ships, there are some really good T2 and faction cruisers, or you can fly with a PvP fit and just kill the guy stealing your loot.
PvP'ing in the exploration sites does require that you get the kill and the other guy steals the loot, which it not always what happens, if he gets the kill there is really not much you can do, except try and steal it from him. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |

Hugo Z Hackenbush
State War Academy Caldari State
8
|
Posted - 2013.07.24 10:05:00 -
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How dare you ask a question in here! Ofc the crusty hole munchers will shoot you down with their normal "U R QQing!!!1omg!1!!" line. Personally I love it, CCP wants moar subs, and yet the scum drive them away! yeehaw!  Eve is like the way that gun law equals a lot of deaths followed by a lot of people being real nice to each other, well, it would be if we all had our names and address posted on our character info! I wonder just how many players would still act like assholes? Fly safe, and lock your back door tonight! |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1017
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Posted - 2013.07.24 10:10:00 -
[18] - Quote
Singulis Pacifica wrote:I've encountered this quite often in high-sec. I scan a new DED site and start to destroy the rats. Then when I'm about to enter the last section, someone enters, hurries to the next gate and grabs the target with the best loot.
I understand it's all part of the sandbox, but what options do I have? Is it just a matter of more dps on my ship ? Or can something else be done about it?
please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-)
Bring a fast frigate alt with prototype cloak and T1 sebos/guns , target the expensive wreck: kill it
Pay some isk to mercs to harass that guy and kill it for a month, at each kill mail remember about sending your sincere congratulations
vOv his nick in local, make him get mad. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
87
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Posted - 2013.07.24 10:25:00 -
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Hugo Z Hackenbush wrote:How dare you ask a question in here! Ofc the crusty hole munchers will shoot you down with their normal "U R QQing!!!1omg!1!!" line. Personally I love it, CCP wants moar subs, and yet the scum drive them away! yeehaw! 
Which is why EVE has grown in size every year for ten years, amirite?
EVE is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
That said, it's nice having people like you around. I need loot pinatas to distract the gankers from my activities. |

Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
8833
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Posted - 2013.07.24 10:42:00 -
[20] - Quote
that's called "blitzing" - it works best when someone else is in the complex. kill the !MANDATORY! rats then make a dash for the boss, kill it, loot it, and bug out. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |

Daisai
The Riot Formation
122
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:07:00 -
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Get a couple of friends in suicide ships and gank him.
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Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
87
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:32:00 -
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Daisai wrote:Get a couple of friends in suicide ships and gank him.
OP already ruled that out because...well, because. |

Fr00b Snap
Photon Scorpions
9
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:44:00 -
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Bring ammo according to his resist holes, fit scram and web. Kill him when you steal his loot and he shoots you or when he steals your loot. |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
195
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Posted - 2013.07.24 20:44:00 -
[24] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Why are you wasting your time with highsec DED sites?
Slight correction: why are you wasting your time in highsec? Tired response. Why are you wasting our time with trolling?

I guess that question kind of answers itself really..... |

Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
105
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Posted - 2013.07.24 22:03:00 -
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- fit a MWD - fit a point - pack as much DPS as you can - set safety to yellow - get to the drop before it pops - loot the faction loot whether it belongs to your or not |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1392
|
Posted - 2013.07.24 22:43:00 -
[26] - Quote
After having thought about the OP's post for sometime, I've come to a conclusion.
Apparently, making people who steal loot from mission runners and ore from miners is not enough. In order to insure that noone steals anything from anyone anywhere and by any means all players who enter HS should therefore be flagged a suspect. No exceptions. CCP, make is so! HTFU!...for the children! |

Hugo Z Hackenbush
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:51:00 -
[27] - Quote
Jorden Ishonen wrote:Hugo Z Hackenbush wrote:How dare you ask a question in here! Ofc the crusty hole munchers will shoot you down with their normal "U R QQing!!!1omg!1!!" line. Personally I love it, CCP wants moar subs, and yet the scum drive them away! yeehaw!  Which is why EVE has grown in size every year for ten years, amirite? EVE is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. And I wouldn't have it any other way. That said, it's nice having people like you around. I need loot pinatas to distract the gankers from my activities.
If you can find me, you can do as you please! Go on, enjoy it! I know where you live!  Eve is like the way that gun law equals a lot of deaths followed by a lot of people being real nice to each other, well, it would be if we all had our names and address posted on our character info! I wonder just how many players would still act like assholes? Fly safe, and lock your back door tonight! |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
25
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:58:00 -
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Singulis Pacifica wrote:I've encountered this quite often in high-sec. I scan a new DED site and start to destroy the rats. Then when I'm about to enter the last section, someone enters, hurries to the next gate and grabs the target with the best loot.
I understand it's all part of the sandbox, but what options do I have? Is it just a matter of more dps on my ship ? Or can something else be done about it?
please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-)
I do ded sites in 0.0 sec , then the last rat could be billions of worth , we always try to shoot that rat first and grab the loot.
Like the guy did it to you, just kill as fast possible the loot rat |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
241
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 12:01:00 -
[29] - Quote
Singulis Pacifica wrote:I've encountered this quite often in high-sec. I scan a new DED site and start to destroy the rats. Then when I'm about to enter the last section, someone enters, hurries to the next gate and grabs the target with the best loot.
I understand it's all part of the sandbox, but what options do I have? Is it just a matter of more dps on my ship ? Or can something else be done about it?
please note: wardecs are not an option as I'm in an npc corp. And neither is a suicide gank, btw. :-)
Ignore the other targets, they're just the sugar topping. You want the cake and if possible the whole cake.
Kill the rats only after You've got Your cake, sugar is fine but no adequate substitude for real, delicious cake. With chocolate chips. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Marianne Pollard
Everyone's Irrelevant
81
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:06:00 -
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Ever tried being the thief and not the victim?
It's fun, profitable and saves you time and effort.
Fit for PvP - when they steal out of your shiny wreck and go yellow, you may even get a kill out of it too. The last thing they'll be expecting is a nub in an NPC corp to point them. Brown trousers all around.
Wonderful. Mocking the afflicted since 2013. |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
57
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:19:00 -
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Singulis Pacifica wrote:Vesen Jouhinen wrote:
You know its gonna be a QQ thread when that is in the title.
Mmm, I suppose you need to actually read the post before you answer. I am not complaining on the matter, it's just frustrating to see all the work you did flushed down the drain. Domanique Altares wrote: Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
Well, if this is encountered a lot (wasn't aware of that many people post about it), perhaps CCP could look into it. It would definitely help new players with their exploration efforts. On the matter of low-sec, I've thought about it, because you can at least fire at them without CONCORD interference, but I'll do the option Seraph Essael provided. Thanks for that Seraph, I'll move systems to a hopefully remote area that hardly anyone visits. And also thanks to everyone else providing feedback and tips. It's appreciated.
Are you serious? The last update made exploration so easy it's not even a requirement to explore. CCP has already looked into it and (as is their wont) made it ridiculously easy for new players who don't wish to do any work. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
238
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 12:59:00 -
[32] - Quote
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Things that will not help: "not QQing" on the forums.
Seems to me he is asking more for suggestions. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
238
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 13:03:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Bring a bumpy friend.
yes because we all have friends sitting on the side lines just waiting for us to ask them to sit around in game for hours on end waiting for something that may or may not happen. Eve is full of people chomping at the bit to do this.  |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2463
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 13:08:00 -
[34] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
ETA: I'll help you. Your option is to go to lowsec. There, anyone coming into your plex is coming to kill you for your ****. The bonus is that you can attempt to kill them first, with no silly CONCORD intervention.
Well said.
I'm against the idea of forcing anyone anywhere, such as out of high sec. i say play where you want to...BUT...accept the fact that there are and should be consequences for every choice. Some people don't get that which is why you get whinning about various things from high sec people and whining about cynos and cloaky folk from some null sec people (*cough RenterBears cough*).
One of the consequences of "exploring" in congested high sec space where you can't use force to prevent someone from taking your loot is...someone is going to take your loot and if you shoot them you get CONCORD. Don't like that, leave high sec and never have to worry about that (but then have to worry about other stuff), OR get better/faster/luckier and stay in high sec.
Of course that takes effort and being responsible for one's own enjoyment. Some people can't do that and it won't be long before there are calls of "CONCORD should shoot people who still my plex loot" or something.....
|

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
238
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 13:08:00 -
[35] - Quote
GreenSeed wrote:if you were killing rats when the gate was unlocked then... why were you shooting at the rats? read on the sites, carry in your hold the gold tags, hacker cards, etc to skip rooms. learn the triggers, kill only the dps that you need to sustain your tank while you kill and loot the lootship. and above all, deal faction specific damage and fit a faction specific tank. use faction ammo or T2, depending on the target. carry paste to repair the modules that you should be overloading, etc, etc. a faction specific tank that pushes resists up to 70% therm/kin tank can make sites like the serpentis 4/10 extremely easy to tank. a caracal can do it with t2 hams, and since the last ship is a battleship you will apply the paper DPS shooting rage missiles. i know that for a new player that might be pushing it, but the same tank on a drake will pretty much make the drake invulnerable to the rats. and require a lot less training. if you can afford it the pirate variants like the gila can make highsec sites even faster than with the old t3. remember that the people that fly around blitzing those sites are pushing their tanks to the limit. often they fit omnitanks so they don't have to refit, so if they steal your stuff follow them and if you have a few catalysts and a few corpmates, help the NPCs defend their overseer!.  Now this is good helpful advice. Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to provide viable feedback. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
238
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 13:11:00 -
[36] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
ETA: I'll help you. Your option is to go to lowsec. There, anyone coming into your plex is coming to kill you for your ****. The bonus is that you can attempt to kill them first, with no silly CONCORD intervention. Well said. I'm against the idea of forcing anyone anywhere, such as out of high sec. i say play where you want to...BUT...accept the fact that there are and should be consequences for every choice. Some people don't get that which is why you get whinning about various things from high sec people and whining about cynos and cloaky folk from some null sec people (*cough RenterBears cough*). One of the consequences of "exploring" in congested high sec space where you can't use force to prevent someone from taking your loot is...someone is going to take your loot and if you shoot them you get CONCORD. Don't like that, leave high sec and never have to worry about that (but then have to worry about other stuff), OR get better/faster/luckier and stay in high sec. Of course that takes effort and being responsible for one's own enjoyment. Some people can't do that and it won't be long before there are calls of "CONCORD should shoot people who still my plex loot" or something..... As usual this not so much helpful as trolling |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2463
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 13:16:00 -
[37] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
ETA: I'll help you. Your option is to go to lowsec. There, anyone coming into your plex is coming to kill you for your ****. The bonus is that you can attempt to kill them first, with no silly CONCORD intervention. Well said. I'm against the idea of forcing anyone anywhere, such as out of high sec. i say play where you want to...BUT...accept the fact that there are and should be consequences for every choice. Some people don't get that which is why you get whinning about various things from high sec people and whining about cynos and cloaky folk from some null sec people (*cough RenterBears cough*). One of the consequences of "exploring" in congested high sec space where you can't use force to prevent someone from taking your loot is...someone is going to take your loot and if you shoot them you get CONCORD. Don't like that, leave high sec and never have to worry about that (but then have to worry about other stuff), OR get better/faster/luckier and stay in high sec. Of course that takes effort and being responsible for one's own enjoyment. Some people can't do that and it won't be long before there are calls of "CONCORD should shoot people who still my plex loot" or something..... As usual this not so much helpful as trolling
WTF is wrong with you?
Explain exactly what about what I said was untrue.
|

Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
233
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 13:28:00 -
[38] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
ETA: I'll help you. Your option is to go to lowsec. There, anyone coming into your plex is coming to kill you for your ****. The bonus is that you can attempt to kill them first, with no silly CONCORD intervention. Well said. I'm against the idea of forcing anyone anywhere, such as out of high sec. i say play where you want to...BUT...accept the fact that there are and should be consequences for every choice. Some people don't get that which is why you get whinning about various things from high sec people and whining about cynos and cloaky folk from some null sec people (*cough RenterBears cough*). One of the consequences of "exploring" in congested high sec space where you can't use force to prevent someone from taking your loot is...someone is going to take your loot and if you shoot them you get CONCORD. Don't like that, leave high sec and never have to worry about that (but then have to worry about other stuff), OR get better/faster/luckier and stay in high sec. Of course that takes effort and being responsible for one's own enjoyment. Some people can't do that and it won't be long before there are calls of "CONCORD should shoot people who still my plex loot" or something..... As usual this not so much helpful as trolling
It may have been applied with Jenn's usual layer of acidic words but truth is not trolling
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2463
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 13:30:00 -
[39] - Quote
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
ETA: I'll help you. Your option is to go to lowsec. There, anyone coming into your plex is coming to kill you for your ****. The bonus is that you can attempt to kill them first, with no silly CONCORD intervention. Well said. I'm against the idea of forcing anyone anywhere, such as out of high sec. i say play where you want to...BUT...accept the fact that there are and should be consequences for every choice. Some people don't get that which is why you get whinning about various things from high sec people and whining about cynos and cloaky folk from some null sec people (*cough RenterBears cough*). One of the consequences of "exploring" in congested high sec space where you can't use force to prevent someone from taking your loot is...someone is going to take your loot and if you shoot them you get CONCORD. Don't like that, leave high sec and never have to worry about that (but then have to worry about other stuff), OR get better/faster/luckier and stay in high sec. Of course that takes effort and being responsible for one's own enjoyment. Some people can't do that and it won't be long before there are calls of "CONCORD should shoot people who still my plex loot" or something..... As usual this not so much helpful as trolling It may have been applied with Jenn's usual layer of acidic words but truth is not trolling
I tend to forget not everyone is from where I'm from and some have a hard time with blunt truth. This is how we talk at each other in Texas, such has "don't be an idiot, don't have a problem".
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
238
|
Posted - 2013.07.25 13:34:00 -
[40] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
ETA: I'll help you. Your option is to go to lowsec. There, anyone coming into your plex is coming to kill you for your ****. The bonus is that you can attempt to kill them first, with no silly CONCORD intervention. Well said. I'm against the idea of forcing anyone anywhere, such as out of high sec. i say play where you want to...BUT...accept the fact that there are and should be consequences for every choice. Some people don't get that which is why you get whinning about various things from high sec people and whining about cynos and cloaky folk from some null sec people (*cough RenterBears cough*). One of the consequences of "exploring" in congested high sec space where you can't use force to prevent someone from taking your loot is...someone is going to take your loot and if you shoot them you get CONCORD. Don't like that, leave high sec and never have to worry about that (but then have to worry about other stuff), OR get better/faster/luckier and stay in high sec.Of course that takes effort and being responsible for one's own enjoyment. Some people can't do that and it won't be long before there are calls of "CONCORD should shoot people who still my plex loot" or something..... As usual this not so much helpful as trolling WTF is wrong with you? Explain exactly what about what I said was untrue.
The guy came here looking for help to his problem. I see one person provided good feedback. You on the other hand write multiple paragraphs trying to make it look like itGÇÖs all this guys fault someone is taking his stuff. This is not his fault per say but at least one person gave him some viable options to help himself.
So in short I guess you and people like you are my problem. You provide nothing to thread after thread except to troll it into the ground. Nothing I can do about it except to call you out on it.
For your sake and others like yourself better hope I never get ISD because you would be on permanent forum vacation.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2464
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:41:00 -
[41] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote: The guy came here looking for help to his problem. I see one person provided good feedback. You on the other hand write multiple paragraphs trying to make it look like itGÇÖs all this guys fault someone is taking his stuff. This is not his fault per say but at least one person gave him some viable options to help himself.
It is his fault. We're playing a video game. If you play pac man and get bit by a ghost, it's because you zigged when you should have zagged. This is EVE, people are supposed to compete with you if they want to, regardless of whether you do or not.
It amazes me, some people can't even take responsibility in a video game. The guy should get better at the high sec game or go where people can't steal his stuff (or where he could shoot back).
I mean , you literally just highlighted the word responsibility as if it were a bad thing.
Quote: So in short I guess you and people like you are my problem. You provide nothing to thread after thread except to troll it into the ground. Nothing I can do about it except to call you out on it.
For your sake and others like yourself better hope I never get ISD because you would be on permanent forum vacation.
So you can't deal with the truth, and it's somehow my problem? And you would use power given to you for personal gain/comfort rather than for the good of the community? That sounds about right for you.
This is why I hate your type too. You never can understand that it's you and your emotional over-sensitivity and inability to use or understand logic that is the problem, not the people around you. |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
57
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:41:00 -
[42] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Ruskarn Andedare wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Congrats OP. You're the first person to bring up this problem...
...In the last hour.
ETA: I'll help you. Your option is to go to lowsec. There, anyone coming into your plex is coming to kill you for your ****. The bonus is that you can attempt to kill them first, with no silly CONCORD intervention. Well said. I'm against the idea of forcing anyone anywhere, such as out of high sec. i say play where you want to...BUT...accept the fact that there are and should be consequences for every choice. Some people don't get that which is why you get whinning about various things from high sec people and whining about cynos and cloaky folk from some null sec people (*cough RenterBears cough*). One of the consequences of "exploring" in congested high sec space where you can't use force to prevent someone from taking your loot is...someone is going to take your loot and if you shoot them you get CONCORD. Don't like that, leave high sec and never have to worry about that (but then have to worry about other stuff), OR get better/faster/luckier and stay in high sec. Of course that takes effort and being responsible for one's own enjoyment. Some people can't do that and it won't be long before there are calls of "CONCORD should shoot people who still my plex loot" or something..... As usual this not so much helpful as trolling It may have been applied with Jenn's usual layer of acidic words but truth is not trolling I tend to forget not everyone is from where I'm from and some have a hard time with blunt truth. This is how we talk at each other in Texas, such has "don't be an idiot, don't have a problem".
Try being a former masshole living in Georgia. I love it here so much more than the ultra left state I abandoned but it took some getting used to. Apparently you're supposed to take "Your so special" or "sweet" as an insult. I also talk a blue streak, which can present challenges. LOL
That said, Hotlanta is teh awesome. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2465
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:46:00 -
[43] - Quote
Quote:Manfred Hideous wrote: I tend to forget not everyone is from where I'm from and some have a hard time with blunt truth. This is how we talk at each other in Texas, such has "don't be an idiot, don't have a problem".
Try being a former masshole living in Georgia. I love it here so much more than the ultra left state I abandoned but it took some getting used to. Apparently you're supposed to take "Your so special" or "sweet" as an insult. I also talk a blue streak, which can present challenges. LOL That said, Hotlanta is teh awesome.
I vacation in Savannah, it feels like home lol.
Being where I am I work with a lot of people from the North East and Canada (and everywhere else). They are great people and bring a lot to the table, but my God are they ever sensitive, especially the New Yorkers :) . |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
238
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:48:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: The guy came here looking for help to his problem. I see one person provided good feedback. You on the other hand write multiple paragraphs trying to make it look like itGÇÖs all this guys fault someone is taking his stuff. This is not his fault per say but at least one person gave him some viable options to help himself.
It is his fault. We're playing a video game. If you play pac man and get bit by a ghost, it's because you zigged when you should have zagged. This is EVE, people are supposed to compete with you if they want to, regardless of whether you do or not. It amazes me, some people can't even take responsibility in a video game. The guy should get better at the high sec game or go where people can't steal his stuff (or where he could shoot back). I mean , you literally just highlighted the word responsibility as if it were a bad thing. Quote: So in short I guess you and people like you are my problem. You provide nothing to thread after thread except to troll it into the ground. Nothing I can do about it except to call you out on it.
For your sake and others like yourself better hope I never get ISD because you would be on permanent forum vacation.
So you can't deal with the truth, and it's somehow my problem? And you would use power given to you for personal gain/comfort rather than for the good of the community? That sounds about right for you. This is why I hate your type too. You never can understand that it's you and your emotional over-sensitivity and inability to use or understand logic that is the problem, not the people around you. LMAO emotional? Has zero to do with emotions or me even. This is all about you jenn and your inability to cope with whatever issue you have real life or otherwise that forces you to TROLL every single post .
So stop trying to look outward or to others for your problem and start looking inwards. There is where you real problem is. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2465
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:51:00 -
[45] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote: LMAO emotional? Has zero to do with emotions or me even. This is all about you jenn and your inability to cope with whatever issue you have real life or otherwise that forces you to TROLL every single post .
So stop trying to look outward or to others for your problem and start looking inwards. There is where you real problem is.
You do realize that you are the one replying to me (when I wasn't even talking to you in the 1st place) right?
Real life issue? You're the one doing all the crying and screeching lol. If you don't like what i got to say, why not use the ignore function?
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Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
58
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:51:00 -
[46] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
So stop trying to look outward or to others for your problem and start looking inwards. There where you real problem is.
Just because someone has a different way of expressing themselves does not mean they are always trolling. It could be argued that I feel griefed after reading every one of your sandy va**** posts but I know you can't help it. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2465
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:54:00 -
[47] - Quote
Manfred Hideous wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
So stop trying to look outward or to others for your problem and start looking inwards. There where you real problem is.
Just because someone has a different way of expressing themselves does not mean they are always trolling. It could be argued that I feel griefed after reading every one of your sandy va**** posts but I know you can't help it.
Dude, you made everyone in my house turn around and look at me because I was laughing so hard (i was picturing the guy on a beach in a dress in absolute agony screaming "JENN!!!!" for some reason ).
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
238
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:01:00 -
[48] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Quote:Manfred Hideous wrote: I tend to forget not everyone is from where I'm from and some have a hard time with blunt truth. This is how we talk at each other in Texas, such has "don't be an idiot, don't have a problem".
Try being a former masshole living in Georgia. I love it here so much more than the ultra left state I abandoned but it took some getting used to. Apparently you're supposed to take "Your so special" or "sweet" as an insult. I also talk a blue streak, which can present challenges. LOL That said, Hotlanta is teh awesome. I vacation in Savannah, it feels like home lol. Being where I am I work with a lot of people from the North East and Canada (and everywhere else). They are great people and bring a lot to the table, but my God are they ever sensitive, especially the New Yorkers :) . LOL I was raised southern by the grace of GOD. I would have pegged you for a yankee just because I dont like how you act and react and how poorly you conduct yourself. Easy to accept you that way I guess. That would be my prejudice though not yours. |

Ila Gant
Hedion University Amarr Empire
319
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:03:00 -
[49] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:... trying to make it look like itGÇÖs all this guys fault someone is taking his stuff. ... * Dons lore-glasses
Umm... Isn't it the rat's stuff, and aren't we capsuleers stealing it from them? So it wasn't his stuff until it's in his hold...
/lore-colored-glasses |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
238
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:07:00 -
[50] - Quote
Ila Gant wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:... trying to make it look like itGÇÖs all this guys fault someone is taking his stuff. ... * Dons lore-glasses Umm... Isn't it the rat's stuff, and aren't we capsuleers stealing it from them? So it wasn't his stuff until it's in his hold... /lore-colored-glasses I think of it as his since he entered the site. I know it goes to who gets it though. Same thing use to happen in eq2 a mmo i use to play. Would be harvesting a node and somone else would come up harvest on the same node, even though plenty other were spread around.
Some people just like being Richard Skulls. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
238
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
I guess my issue is in my opinion as well as outlined in the forum rules is the forums should be a place to get quick answers or solutions to questions or problems you may have. A person shouldnGÇÖt have to wade through 20 pages of flames and trolls from people with personal epeen or psychological issue to get that answer.
Those people need to be given forum vacations.
The OP came here looking for those answers not looking for flames and poor trolling. I saw one person provide viable feedback. This is sad. The forum warriors need to go play on the forums where you need to pay your ten bucks a month where the only people you subject your flames and trolling on are those that are looking for it. Not people that come here looking for help or answers.
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Ila Gant
Hedion University Amarr Empire
321
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:27:00 -
[52] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Ila Gant wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:... trying to make it look like itGÇÖs all this guys fault someone is taking his stuff. ... * Dons lore-glasses Umm... Isn't it the rat's stuff, and aren't we capsuleers stealing it from them? So it wasn't his stuff until it's in his hold... /lore-colored-glasses I think of it as his since he entered the site. I know it goes to who gets it though. Same thing use to happen in eq2 a mmo i use to play. Would be harvesting a node and somone else would come up harvest on the same node, even though plenty other were spread around. Some people just like being Richard Skulls. I just have a problem with that premise in Eve. The games designers went to great lengths to ensure that there are no private dungeons (instances). The reason for this is to subvert the assumption that those rats are "yours" or the loot they drop is guaranteed to you if you shot the rat.
That way of understanding the game is wrong.
As for advice, assuming he stays in hi-sec, there are only two things to do:
- Concentrate on loot first, rat-cleaning second, as already advised in this thread.
- Run the sites with buddies and divide the loot, still adhering to #1.
The notion that the loot belongs to whoever starts the site is incorrect thinking for Eve's design. |

Kalishka Askulf
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:56:00 -
[53] - Quote
Shame the OP is talking about high-sec sites. If it were low-sec, the priority would be (for me, at least):
1) Shoot the OP
2) Take the goods
3) Skip town so the Rats are the next chumps problem
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RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
229
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Posted - 2013.07.25 18:37:00 -
[54] - Quote
Put a bounty on them oh wait thats right bounties are useless LOL Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
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