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Zavernus Hamarabi
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Posted - 2005.12.18 03:52:00 -
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Help! Im taking on memory!
But on a serious note... Eve tends to, about twice a day, start gobbling up my memory and cpu. It starts with a little hiccup, and suddenly everything stops working quickly, frame rate drops etc. Upon examination, task manager reports the program EVE is using 150k-250k memory. Left untreated this crashes my computer and makes me weep :(
Anyone else having this problem?
Ideas for a fix?
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Auraurious
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Posted - 2005.12.18 03:56:00 -
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Restart client. Works for me. Otherwise you could go to the hardware store.
Software wise, no 
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Zavernus Hamarabi
Help! Im taking on memory!
But on a serious note... Eve tends to, about twice a day, start gobbling up my memory and cpu. It starts with a little hiccup, and suddenly everything stops working quickly, frame rate drops etc. Upon examination, task manager reports the program EVE is using 150k-250k memory. Left untreated this crashes my computer and makes me weep :(
Anyone else having this problem?
Ideas for a fix?
150-250MB of memory = normal. That's not a memory leak. 500MB+ = memory leak.
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:01:00 -
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you think thats bad
look
seems to happen when jumping from what I have seen
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: aeti
you think thats bad
look
seems to happen when jumping from what I have seen
Mine, 162MB for 1.5 hours. All looks good. Uninstall and try a fresh install using the updated 500MB full install? I think you have a dodgy library that didnt get updated properly when you patched manually or automatically.
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Geo Runningmoon
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:10:00 -
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I'm having the same issue. It seem the more jumps I do the worse it gets till I have to reboot. I didnt have memory probems before the patch.
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Geo Runningmoon
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:14:00 -
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I always do a fresh install after a major patch, now both my accounts are crashing because of this memory hog.
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Zavernus Hamarabi
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zavernus Hamarabi on 18/12/2005 04:20:27
Thing is though, it *suddenly* starts happening with a visible increase in memory until things start slowing down.
That is, it cruises on about 100k then it markedly starts increasing from there.
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Marvin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:24:00 -
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sorry for you guys, seems you are having an "Issue".....mine is using..umm...40- 118 megs..depending on what's happening...been running for 4:25 hours:minutes...now...don't try this at home kids...but kill virus and spyware thingies..it does wonders..and that incudes scanners...
Checking on latest DX version is also very good...
Btw, I'm running on 512 megs mem..with 2.5 gigs as a virtual mem..non windows controlled with both latest Bios and drivers....
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Marvin
Btw, I'm running on 512 megs mem..with 2.5 gigs as a virtual mem.
BTW, set your virtual memory to 1024MB. Anything after that, even with 2.5GB, your PC will start to trash and hard disk will grind non-stop
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Scramjet
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:28:00 -
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Everquest 2 takes almost 2 gigs of mem to run between virtual and hard mem. I have not monitored client-side Eve mem usage tho...
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Marvin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Marvin
Btw, I'm running on 512 megs mem..with 2.5 gigs as a virtual mem.
BTW, set your virtual memory to 1024MB. Anything after that, even with 2.5GB, your PC will start to trash and hard disk will grind non-stop
aww..it will...??..why then?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Marvin
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Marvin
Btw, I'm running on 512 megs mem..with 2.5 gigs as a virtual mem.
BTW, set your virtual memory to 1024MB. Anything after that, even with 2.5GB, your PC will start to trash and hard disk will grind non-stop
aww..it will...??..why then?
Well, you have 512MB physically. If you need more than 512MB, Windows will swap between hard disk and memory. Usually, virtual is set between 1.5x to 2x of physcial memory. If you set it like 4x the amount, eventually, you will exhaust your physical RAM and information will be loaded often between hard disk and RAM so your computer will "lag" between swapping the data between the devices rendering your PC doing nothing but swapping all the time. However, once it hits all of your "total" memory, your PC will blow but at this time, everything will be so unstable because of the "lag", will even take ages to "restore" the system back since programs will eventually get out of memory and crash. Might as well let the PC blow sooner than later.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:39:00 -
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Counter Strike Source used 700mb+
Games use all cpu and alot of memory.
Originally by: Nyphur
I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
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Geo Runningmoon
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:41:00 -
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My machine is not infected with spyware or viruses. I remove that filth from computers I fix everyday at work. My scanners are up to date. This only started happening after the patch.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Geo Runningmoon
My machine is not infected with spyware or viruses. I remove that filth from computers I fix everyday at work. My scanners are up to date. This only started happening after the patch.
1. If it is memory leak, it is always 100% replicable. What did you do to "activate" the leak?
2. Does it leak while doing nothing for that amount of time it takes to notice the leak?
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Geo Runningmoon
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:48:00 -
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Seems to happen when jumping alot of gates or docking and undocking alot from stations.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Geo Runningmoon
Seems to happen when jumping alot of gates or docking and undocking alot from stations.
Suggestion: Go to a quiet 0.5 system. Keep on jumping in between the system and its neighbours for 10-100 times? Does it leak if you do so?
Larger systems are harder to test because of all other problems that is going on. If it does show leak, then doing 1/2 the amount of jumps that you get for smaller systems may reproduce the same effect on larger systems.
HTH.
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velocoraptor
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:58:00 -
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There are 2-3 threads about this in "known issues". It IS a prob after the patch, but not for everyone it seems. Mine goes steadilly up and at about 500-600MB my dear pc stops whinning and just freezes (to death) .
I saw somewhere (and it could be that from my experience) that it may have something to do with chat channels (shame we cannot close local and corp to test this properly).
I came into the game a few days b4 Cold War, which was also a nightmare,so I hope this will be fixed with a new patch soon. No reason to whinne and/or petition right now, really. Devs are up to their knee in probs I'm guessing .
@ Jenny Spitfire: I'm sorry, but I think you wrong about that being "normal", or specific to a pc. I think it has something to do witht he patch. But anyway I always wanted to tell ya, I'm deeply in love with you , eeeeeeer your avatar, eeeer whatever (there are no girls in eve, right? )
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: velocoraptor
@ Jenny Spitfire: I'm sorry, but I think you wrong about that being "normal", or specific to a pc. I think it has something to do witht he patch. But anyway I always wanted to tell ya, I'm deeply in love with you, eeeeeeer your avatar, eeeer whatever (there are no girls in eve, right?)
I was guessing though and like all guesses, we can always be wrong. At least, there is some good reason behind guesses that can help with finding out what is going wrong.
Hmmmm, you might not like the auto-updated RMR avatar, she looks like she is on drugs And yes, there are girls in EvE.
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Marvin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Marvin
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Marvin
Btw, I'm running on 512 megs mem..with 2.5 gigs as a virtual mem.
BTW, set your virtual memory to 1024MB. Anything after that, even with 2.5GB, your PC will start to trash and hard disk will grind non-stop
aww..it will...??..why then?
Well, you have 512MB physically. If you need more than 512MB, Windows will swap between hard disk and memory. Usually, virtual is set between 1.5x to 2x of physcial memory. If you set it like 4x the amount, eventually, you will exhaust your physical RAM and information will be loaded often between hard disk and RAM so your computer will "lag" between swapping the data between the devices rendering your PC doing nothing but swapping all the time. However, once it hits all of your "total" memory, your PC will blow but at this time, everything will be so unstable because of the "lag", will even take ages to "restore" the system back since programs will eventually get out of memory and crash. Might as well let the PC blow sooner than later.
ya your almost right...Theoretical it should be 1536 max, so I should stick to that but I'm sorry to inform you, it simply doesnt work that way in practice, since all programs arent created equally it seems.....
If you have a "white paper" on how windows manages virtual memory that is reliable I'd be very much inclined to have it..
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Marvin
ya your almost right...Theoretical it should be 1536 max, so I should stick to that but I'm sorry to inform you, it simply doesnt work that way in practice, since all programs arent created equally it seems.....
If you have a "white paper" on how windows manages virtual memory that is reliable I'd be very much inclined to have it..
If I have time, I will search the web but not now. Sorry.
Memory usage varies on how you use your PC. If you are planning to open 100000000000 JPGs on your PC, you may not experience trashing that bad. If you are doing some stuffs that requires it to be running or having the data "on-flight" all the time, then you will notice trashing. Dont have to take my word for it, I am saying it because I have experienced it many times before. At the end of the day, it is how you are using the PC. For me, I have data "on-flight" all the time so I prefer the programs to crash when they need to rather than them appearing running "properly" but no they are not running properly anymore.
HTH.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Maestro Ulv
Not had any issues here on two very varied computers.. however.. Im highly interested in this developing romance
Sorry, I am taken though.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: velocoraptor
@ Jenny Spitfire: I'm sorry, but I think you wrong about that being "normal", or specific to a pc. I think it has something to do witht he patch. But anyway I always wanted to tell ya, I'm deeply in love with you, eeeeeeer your avatar, eeeer whatever (there are no girls in eve, right?)
Not had any issues here on two very varied computers.. however.. Im highly interested in this developing romance
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Sorry, I am taken though.
Your going to break that poor guys heart
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:22:00 -
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:24:00 -
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Hehe.
Both of ya get in the RP channels  Have some fun! invite me to the wedding
And about now ill apoligies for slightly going OT. but hey its more fun than all the miserable posts.
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Marvin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:34:00 -
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If I have time, I will search the web but not now. Sorry.
Memory usage varies on how you use your PC. If you are planning to open 100000000000 JPGs on your PC, you may not experience trashing that bad. If you are doing some stuffs that requires it to be running or having the data "on-flight" all the time, then you will notice trashing. Dont have to take my word for it, I am saying it because I have experienced it many times before. At the end of the day, it is how you are using the PC. For me, I have data "on-flight" all the time so I prefer the programs to crash when they need to rather than them appearing running "properly" but no they are not running properly anymore.
HTH.
Damm..I'm sitting here, a hopless speciment of the male origin, hoping that you would spend some time searcing the internet...just for me.....aww...
plan failed...I wont stand in the way...
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velocoraptor
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Maestro Ulv
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Sorry, I am taken though.
Your going to break that poor guys heart
She did m8, she did.
/me drinks Jack Daniels. A lot of it.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:22:00 -
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: velocoraptor
She did m8, she did.
/me drinks Jack Daniels. A lot of it.
It may have been the name? Being named after a creature that pounces on you from all side in a pack and then proceeds to rip you to shreds is offputting to girls I don't date
But you have my commiserations mate. Just don¿t hit the pleasure hubs in an effort to forget.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:50:00 -
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Eve leaks to about 450mb for me over and over.
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velocoraptor
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dao 2
what? WHAT?
You people got no sentiments?
/me gets ridiculously drunks and jumps off cliff (a veeeery low cliff thank god  )
BTW have you ever noticed that our avatars always look awfull when you see small size in forums? I.e. only in large size you can fully appreciate jen's beauty
oooh, this has gone sooooo off topic 
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Calshir
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:08:00 -
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From memory leak to testerone overload in 20 posts
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velocoraptor
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Maestro Ulv
Originally by: velocoraptor
She did m8, she did.
/me drinks Jack Daniels. A lot of it.
It may have been the name? Being named after a creature that pounces on you from all side in a pack and then proceeds to rip you to shreds is offputting to girls I don't date
But you have my commiserations mate. Just don¿t hit the pleasure hubs in an effort to forget.
No, you wrong. That's VELOCiRAPTOR. I'm just a poor spelling mistake (ya hear jen?)
I heard there was a striper club in a POS they made some time ago. Got to find that
Also, in a futile effort to get this back on topic: @remedial: It was still a prob for me an hour ago when i logged. Especially with 2 accounts running. However rest assured that if many ppl get this (which they do), ccp will notice sooner or later. Keep the faith ppl 
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Gavin Kineli on 18/12/2005 07:44:34
From what you guys have said, I'm not sure you guys know what a memory leak is.
Anyway - what you've described happens to me. Eve will climb to 250MB memory usage and 400MB Virtual Memory usage, during which time, eve will be unresponsive. A couple minutes later, the memory will drop down to normal levels 20-50MB mem usage and 300MB Virtual mem usage, and eve is playable again.
Soon I'll do a logserver of it, and I'll send it off.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 14:01:00 -
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 18/12/2005 14:05:04
Originally by: aeti
you think thats bad
look
seems to happen when jumping from what I have seen
My client started with 188 MB RAM used. It does increase from time to time up to 200+ MB that I have seen so far but everytime I use a jump gate, the memory is cleared back to 188 MB and increase up to 200+ MB again and stays between 188 MB to 200 MB. I have been hauling in a badger all day making about 50+ jumps just to check it out.
What is the *32 in the EvE.exe*32 under the task manager?
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Lanmate
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Posted - 2005.12.18 14:04:00 -
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Accidentally left EVE running, stationary outside a station, woke up 5 hours later to find it using all available system RAM (i have 1GB) and 1.2GB of virtual memory. Took about 10 minutes to close EVE and a firther five to get it to reboot.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 14:06:00 -
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Are you guys with memory problem by any chance using 64-bit Windows or 64-bit CPUs?
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2005.12.18 14:10:00 -
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usually 150 to 300mb ram in use per client, atm 192 and 206
1.5gig ram helps tho to keep the system abit stable
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.12.18 14:10:00 -
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Using an Athlon XP ever since I started playing EVE. It's ALWAYS had a memory leak, which various patches have either helped or worsened.
I find that if I stay in one system, or reduce the amount of travel I do in a game session, the less the problem has been. If I do a few 20-25+ jump trips in a single game session, the RAM useage of EVE skyrockets.
This memory useage problem was least troublesome directly after the Exodus patch.
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Uncle Angus
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Posted - 2005.12.18 14:55:00 -
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Memory usage for me is fluctuating between about 120MB and 220MB depending on what I'm doing and where I am. Haven't seen any leaks yet, though. One thing I have noticed is that although the client seems to be running smoother than pre-upgrade, it's no longer to easy to use other apps at the same time. For example, I used to be able to use Firefox with no problems, now it seems very sluggish if EVE is also running.
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.12.18 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
What is the *32 in the EvE.exe*32 under the task manager?
shows it is a 32 bit process, and yes i'm using win64
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FlyinFish Shriker
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Posted - 2005.12.18 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Angus
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One thing I have noticed is that although the client seems to be running smoother than pre-upgrade, it's no longer to easy to use other apps at the same time. For example, I used to be able to use Firefox with no problems, now it seems very sluggish if EVE is also running.
Yeah, I feel the same thing after RMR as well.
Had EVE drop to some where near 1FPS yesterday, got a bit better after I closed most other programs.
I was guessing the server has thrown some calculation to client side, or increased client buffer to help reduce server-client traffic. But it's just a guess.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 18/12/2005 19:01:26
Originally by: aeti
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
What is the *32 in the EvE.exe*32 under the task manager?
shows it is a 32 bit process, and yes i'm using win64
I am using a 32 bit machine with a 32 bit XP. Not sure whether do you use any other Phyton programs or libraries in your system. Usually, *one of the causes* for memory leaks that is strange (happens on some ppl and not on others) can be caused by program using wrong libraries. Program can still run but may not do the right thing. Not sure it helps for your case but just an idea.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.12.18 22:55:00 -
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Please fix this.
Make this your number one task first thing monday morning.
My clients are going up over 500 and my hardisk sounds like it's had enough:/
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Miss Marketing
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Posted - 2005.12.19 07:41:00 -
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Heh. Perhaps it's an anti-macro 'feature'. By the end of the day the client crashes... and there's no-one there to restart it.
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Kittamaru
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:06:00 -
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quick fix-
go to your control panel and set your paging file to 2-5 gig. It'll give you plenty to play on even if all you do is warp around. I think it has something to do with it TRYING to load a HUGE file at once, but not having enough space to move it around... so it just SITS there and takes up space 0o'
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Zag Stormchild
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:18:00 -
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I loaded my game around 8PM last night and did many courrier and kill missions. The game started to choke a bit here and there. Usually yes, eve is 250-300 meg of ram use but last night when I logged, I quickly checked and the game alone was eating up 800+ meg, since I only have 1 GIG, it kinda killed my computer for a good 5 min.
anyway, hope it gets fixed but the best solution right now is... close game when it's starting to eat too much and restart it.. If this is not enough, you can use a Memory cleaner to make sure the ram is empty before the restart... else Reboot computer :P
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