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Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1038
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Posted - 2013.08.02 12:18:00 -
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Tsubutai wrote:Cearain wrote:I think ccp should hold off on buffing active tanks until ogb is done away with.
Legion makes armor rep ships god mode already. The nerf to link strength outweights the buff to local reps - legion/damnation-boosted active tankers will have weaker tanks after the patch than they do at present (which won't really matter because they'll still sustainably tank considerably more damage than a same-class ship can put out if they're fit appropriately).
I understand that. But this still offsets the nerf doesn't it?
Analogy:
Imagine the heavy missile drake was crazy overpowered so that there was no need to fly any other ships. CCP give the drake a small nerf but then boosts heavy missiles. End result = not much of a nerf.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
1253
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Posted - 2013.08.02 12:53:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:March rabbit wrote:i see lots of "auxiliary" accounts being held....  Personally will need to find something for my own booster account to have it active. -10USD/month for me. great! Cap Pilot, Indy alt, Logistics alt, scout alt, Market Alt, incursion alt, .... Gee, if only there were other aspects of EvE beyond OGB'ing that you could explore with that character... cap pilot - not used when you are in high-sec indy alt - alt on the same account already logistics alt - it's too much effort for nothing really scout - maybe, but usually i don't bring anything expensive into danger areas. doesn't worth the risk market alt - why alt if you have main char? incursion - boring farming next options?
No Falcon alt? 0.o
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
730
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:30:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:No Falcon alt? 0.o
Eve is a game and not second job 
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:32:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time.
Actually I think its the opposite - small groups and solos are losing their equalizer. Only way now to fight larger groups will be to bring more people . . .
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1887
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:39:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Seraph Castillon wrote:This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time. Actually I think its the opposite - small groups and solos are losing their equalizer. Only way now to fight larger groups will be to bring more people . . .
everybody assumes that larger gangs never have links.
If you want to fight outnumbered you better have a good plan anything else just shows that the OGB system is/was broken.
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1039
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:57:00 -
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The more I think about it the more I see these changes as a complete shell game.
OGBs still = god mode. Especially since they are buffing the type of tank ogbs bonus the most - local active tanks.
But now you can't share them as easilly (due to pos no longer working) so if you want to play in god mode you need your own alt. So more people will need to start buying alt accounts. CCP made it easier to do with cheaper links and more variety.
In the short term we will see fewer boosted pvpers but in the long term we will see more booster alt accounts.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
52
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:57:00 -
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Was about time it happened.
Some nice changes coming up. I just wish they would've reduced the bonus from links properly.
pew pew |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
433
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Posted - 2013.08.02 15:20:00 -
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Changes are crap, bring that **** on grid and put them on killmails or **** off.
http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
304
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Posted - 2013.08.02 15:26:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:March rabbit wrote:i see lots of "auxiliary" accounts being held.... Personally will need to find something for my own booster account to have it active. -10USD/month for me. great! Cap Pilot, Indy alt, Logistics alt, scout alt, Market Alt, incursion alt, .... Gee, if only there were other aspects of EvE beyond OGB'ing that you could explore with that character... cap pilot - not used when you are in high-sec indy alt - alt on the same account already logistics alt - it's too much effort for nothing really scout - maybe, but usually i don't bring anything expensive into danger areas. doesn't worth the risk market alt - why alt if you have main char? incursion - boring farming next options?
Corp theft.
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Phaade
Debitum Naturae
WHY so Seri0Us
27
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Posted - 2013.08.02 15:34:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time.
Quoted fo mo'fuckin truuth! |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1039
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Posted - 2013.08.02 16:08:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Seraph Castillon wrote:This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time. Actually I think its the opposite - small groups and solos are losing their equalizer.
I really don't think they are losing much. The biggest hit was to the tanking boosts (which mainly work with local reps), and ccp compensated there by giving a local rep bonus.
OGB still = god mode.
In the short term there will be fewer people with boosts because you can't share a posed ship.
People who used to share them in a pos will buy their own so we will see more booster alts, but perhaps less boosting in the short term.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Millie Merchant
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.08.02 16:34:00 -
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Buys boosting alt within. 24 hrs nerf is announced sad panda.. |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1042
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Posted - 2013.08.02 16:49:00 -
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Millie Merchant wrote:Buys boosting alt within. 24 hrs nerf is announced sad panda..
I wouldn't be surprised if they actually go up in price since they will not be as easy to share. Other than that the "nerf" is inconsequential.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cpt Arareb
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.08.02 18:25:00 -
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And it is about damn time!!!! This should have been changed a year ago!!! [/quote]
frack yea! this is the begining of the end for a completely broken mechanic that only give rewards with no risk
next step: IGB only |
Soul-on-Ice
Task Force 20
35
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Posted - 2013.08.02 20:34:00 -
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and the victims rejoiced becaused they were lulled into a sense of security thinking somehow they will no longer be the victims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9BA6fFGMjI
Formerly Kohursr Mitthrassafis of Heretic Army - ATX Alliance Tournament-á (sold 2012)
Formerly RueTiron of Caldari Militia-á (sold 2011) |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
1275
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Posted - 2013.08.03 00:56:00 -
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Cearain wrote:The more I think about it the more I see these changes as a complete shell game.
OGBs still = god mode. Especially since they are buffing the type of tank ogbs bonus the most - local active tanks.
But now you can't share them as easilly (due to pos no longer working) so if you want to play in god mode you need your own alt. So more people will need to start buying alt accounts. CCP made it easier to do with cheaper links and more variety.
In the short term we will see fewer boosted pvpers but in the long term we will see more booster alt accounts.
The most important thing is that they took action. For the last year any forum discussion on OGB has been met with a derisive 'They'll never do anything!' Clearly that is no longer the case. I think that has to be on anyone's mind before they invest any time or resources into acquiring booster alts.
As for the rest it's hard to predict the meta game. Today in FW low sec small POS are preferred. They are relatively cheap and generally not worth the effort of reinforcing and killing. Your opponent will just throw up a new one. Orbit the tower at 500m to discourage spies. Etc. Etc. I see a slew of obstacles for anyone trying to do business as usual:
Small POS have no defenses and would invite ABC drive-bys.
Large POS are very expensive and would become targets themselves.
Booster Alts would need to be actively watched.
Command Ships require higher SP commitments.
Many 'booster alts' may go cheap with tech one BC - a further deterioration of the boosts....(I think you will see a lot of this)
But again - the first point stands. They're moving towards the removal of OGB - the beginning of the end. |
Luke Frazza
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.03 07:57:00 -
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and lets nerf implants while we are at it because they are also so unfair.
This post was sponsored by: The I Would Have Won That Fight If I Had Only Come Prepared Club.
What he had a Booster?
What he implants?
What he had rigs?
What he was faction fit?
But I cant afford that stuff. So Unfair! qq. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
Samurai Pizza Cats
637
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Posted - 2013.08.03 09:07:00 -
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Well, tbh, looking at the changes im quite optimistic. Some very nice setups should be viable. Sure boosts are weaker in some cases but overall looks to me that boosts are still gonna be awesome.
As for the pos stuff, wont really effect me since im quite happy putting my booster in a safe for people to probe like it always has been. |
Zappity
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
234
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Posted - 2013.08.03 09:37:00 -
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Luke Frazza wrote:and lets nerf implants while we are at it because they are also so unfair.
This post was sponsored by: The I Would Have Won That Fight If I Had Only Come Prepared Club.
What he had a Booster?
What he had implants?
What he had rigs?
What he was faction fit?
But I cant afford that stuff. So Unfair! qq.
Preparing your character does not equal second account.
Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Mizhir
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
28614
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Posted - 2013.08.03 11:20:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Can't wait until they go on grid too.
Not going to happen. Rise told me that in person.
Despite. Forcing links on grid would just mean they would burn around at 200km range with a 100mn AB.
We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1047
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Posted - 2013.08.03 15:55:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Zappity wrote:Can't wait until they go on grid too.
Not going to happen. Rise told me that in person. B.
please elaborate. Cox lying about trying to remove them?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Mizhir
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
28662
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Posted - 2013.08.03 18:38:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Mizhir wrote:Zappity wrote:Can't wait until they go on grid too.
Not going to happen. Rise told me that in person. B. please elaborate. Cox lying about trying to remove them?
He told me that they do not intend to force them on grid.
We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Zappity
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
235
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Posted - 2013.08.03 20:23:00 -
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Well now I'm confused. There are clear indications that they would like to bring them on grid: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3079425#post3079425
CCP Fozzie wrote:It's a performance optimization problem. We could turn on range-based boosting in Odyssey but it would melt all the servers.
And this isn't being delayed by Odyssey, the team working on the underlying code that will make ongrid boosting possible (along with many other things) isn't releasing anything in Odyssey. It's just that big of a project.
So like I said before, at some point CCP Veritas will make all my ganglink-related dreams come true but I honestly do not know when that point will be. When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1048
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Posted - 2013.08.04 23:30:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Well now I'm confused. There are clear indications that they would like to bring them on grid: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3079425#post3079425CCP Fozzie wrote:It's a performance optimization problem. We could turn on range-based boosting in Odyssey but it would melt all the servers.
And this isn't being delayed by Odyssey, the team working on the underlying code that will make ongrid boosting possible (along with many other things) isn't releasing anything in Odyssey. It's just that big of a project.
So like I said before, at some point CCP Veritas will make all my ganglink-related dreams come true but I honestly do not know when that point will be. When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
Is Veritas on this team? Who is on this team? I would be interested in knowing why the aoe doomsday didn't melt the servers but this will? Same with bubbles, smart bombs etc? Why can't this be a slow duration module and if it needs a range shorter than the whole grid that's fine. Why are the boost so much stronger than anything you can get through drugs or implants? Since booster ships have such a huge impact why not put them on killmails?
These questions have been asked for a long time but we never get reply. If ccp has a team working on this perhaps they could do a dev blog.
In the meantime these changes are fairly inconsequential.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
538
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Posted - 2013.08.04 23:53:00 -
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Are the people mianly complaining about OGB'ing the solo/very small gang crowd? (yes I do consider myself one of those)
I also feel that boosts are way OP when considering solo/small gang combat but in reality for the vast majority of eve do they really make that big an impact? vOv I'm not convinced as most organised fleets will have boosts so they cancel each other out.
Now I'm not advocating them or the 'need' to have them but on the grand scheme of things I'm not sure doing anything with them (nerfing them or removing them completely) will actually do anything at all.
After all the solo'er will then just bleet on again about combat booster drugs/pirate implants/falcon alts etc etc. Next cry will be to get what booster drugs used to kill you on your lossmail!
Get rid of lossmails!!! down with epeen contests on KB's!
Living in lowsec for the last 18 months I can say that OGB's have had pretty much SFA affect on me apart from getting ganked a few times by booster using 'leet' players.
Harden up you lot!
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
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Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2013.08.04 23:58:00 -
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A slow spiral downward Eve is taking.
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Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
157
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:41:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Changes are crap, bring that **** on grid and put them on killmails or **** off.
Pretty much this.
Yup.
This. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
451
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:54:00 -
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All of you people rejoicing about the "beginning of the end" need to wake up and realize that this is your only serving. If you come back to CCP asking for "more please" like a herd of Tiny Tims, you will be highly disappointed. This was just enough change to satisfy the masses but not enough to make people unsub their booster accounts.
I have no doubts that Rise was telling the unspun truth when he stated privately that there are no plans to force them on-grid. Anything else would not make financial sense. Barring some brilliant idea that no one has had yet to ensure that no one unsubs their booster accounts, you can all just forget it.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
Bright Side of Death
109
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:07:00 -
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End of OGB now? Really?
Do not tell my sneakers! |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1302
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:28:00 -
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This will change virtually nothing.
I'm still hoping for a proper nerf in v2 though.
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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