This will change virtually nothing.

I'm still hoping for a proper nerf in v2 though.

Edit: lol V2 is already here and this still will change virtually nothing.

Yay.

They cut the max interdiction maneuvers bonus by another 5%:

Your unheated T2 warp disruptor has gone from 36.7km to 32.3km.
A meta warp disruptor has gone from 30.6km to 26.9km.
T2 Warp Scrambler was 13.8km. It is now 12.1km.
Your 10km web was 15.3km. It is now 13.5km.

Overall I wish they had nerfed it more but o well.

If they roll out the 60 second aggression timer for station docking and gates - I think I'll be happy. You will still have OGB to face but I'm sure we'll be seeing people testing how 'awake' the enemy's booster alts are. I foresee lots of Tornado drive-bys.

Are the people mianly complaining about OGB'ing the solo/very small gang crowd? (yes I do consider myself one of those)

I also feel that boosts are way OP when considering solo/small gang combat but in reality for the vast majority of eve do they really make that big an impact? vOv I'm not convinced as most organised fleets will have boosts so they cancel each other out.

Now I'm not advocating them or the 'need' to have them but on the grand scheme of things I'm not sure doing anything with them (nerfing them or removing them completely) will actually do anything at all.

After all the solo'er will then just bleet on again about combat booster drugs/pirate implants/falcon alts etc etc. Next cry will be to get what booster drugs used to kill you on your lossmail!

Get rid of lossmails!!! down with epeen contests on KB's!

Living in lowsec for the last 18 months I can say that OGB's have had pretty much SFA affect on me apart from getting ganked a few times by booster using 'leet' players.

Harden up you lot!

He told me that they do not intend to force them on grid.

I think he probably told you that we're not pushing them on grid in Odyssey 1.1.

When we're done with links you won't recognize them.

But Fozzie how hard can it be to make links increase sig radius?

Let's derail. If it is protected inside a POS, then it shouldn't be able to project power outside of a POS.

But Fozzie how hard can it be to make links increase sig radius? A change like that, such that one wouldn't be able to engage in the stupidity of ss'd tech III boosting, does not seem difficult to code or implement. Do that and give the command subsystems better defensive stats, and the tech IIIs will come on grid naturally. No need to worry about constant distance checks clogging the processing power of the servers or whatever the problems are associated with an area of effect mechanism for links.

edit - the changes you've been proposing will not end the ss'd link running that messes up particularly small scale engagements in fw or wherever.

Perhaps reduce sensor strength instead of increase sig radius.

If you increse the signature radius on link ships, they are harder to hit when ongrid, we don't want that.
If you decrease the sensor strenght, they can be jammed with ease while ongrid, and thus make even less DPS. we don't want that.

I like scanning down booster, please don't take that away from me :) And it's now easier then ever.
Even if you can't scan him down, doploying probes near him can force him to cloak.

The big deal is, you want to punish people for bringing links on grid with a combat ship.

If you fly with 3 BCs, two of them have links but crippled sensor strength, 2/3 of your DPS will be jammed out by EC-300 drones or a single griffin.

But if you use an alt and sit him close to a station or pos shield, where he is safe, you don't care about your sensor strength. So it will weaken on grid links and thus give station hugging alts an advantage. Same with big fleets, they don't care that much if one ship is jammed out.

What the big deal with scanning? You need like 2x V skills and 4 imps.
Scanning down links is one of the things that gets my heat racing. My hand always shaking from the adrenalin while the last scan cycle @ 0.50 AU is running.

It's not about the killmails, totally not. At all.

You can put one link on a BCs and still habe enough grid/cpu for a normal combat fitting.
So it's not like a logi.
I'm not talking about a ship with 5 link on it. I'm talking about ongrid link ships in a small scale scenario where ships often have different roles at once.

Then what's the problem?

The big deal is, you want to punish people for bringing links on grid with a combat ship.
So it will weaken on grid links and thus give station hugging alts an advantage.

I already told you:


Your solution makes it harder to have a useful link ship on grid.
I rather put one link down on my offgrid booster and but yet another ECCM on it to counter your proposed changed that have crippled ship in grid.

You can already scan down offgrid booster with ~3 cycles. Less if you know he is very close to a celestial.

The issue though is you shouldn't have to scan anyway. If some ship is going to have such a huge impact on the outcome of a fight it should be right there on grid and subject to getting shot and removed from the fight.

You are 100% right and i agree with you there.
That is why CCP is working on a good solution.
Increasing sig or weakening sensor strenght is a bad workaround. It's not a fix!

You are 100% right and i agree with you there.
That is why CCP is working on a good solution.
Increasing sig or weakening sensor strenght is a bad workaround. It's not a fix!

I think he probably told you that we're not pushing them on grid in Odyssey 1.1.

When we're done with links you won't recognize them.