Proposed Changes in F&I Forums

TL;DR:

You can't boost from inside a POS.
Strategic Cruisers are going from 5% to 2% per level.
Mindlink bonus reduced from +50% to +25%
Warfare Specialist skill bonus changed from the current 100% bonus 20% bonus per level
All defensive (Siege and Armored) links: Max Bonus reduced from 35% to 25%
Interdiction Maneuvers: Max Bonus reduced from 53% to 39%.

Nothing would make me comfortable with optimal gameplay for some characters during a battle being for them to sit at a safespot.

i see lots of "auxiliary" accounts being held....

Personally will need to find something for my own booster account to have it active. -10USD/month for me. great!

Proposed Changes in F&I Forums

TL;DR:

You can't boost from inside a POS.
Strategic Cruisers are going from 5% to 2% per level.
Mindlink bonus reduced from +50% to +25%
Warfare Specialist skill bonus changed from the current 100% bonus 20% bonus per level
All defensive (Siege and Armored) links: Max Bonus reduced from 35% to 25%
Interdiction Maneuvers: Max Bonus reduced from 53% to 39%.

IMO this is the best part of the thread.

So what about the POS dwelling low sec titans that are bridging gangs onto solo targets all the time?

By his own logic that should be considered, no? (not trying to derail this thread at all)

Cap Pilot, Indy alt, Logistics alt, scout alt, Market Alt, incursion alt, ....

Gee, if only there were other aspects of EvE beyond OGB'ing that you could explore with that character...

at least there seems to be enough reduction on tackle range which has been biggest 'problem'

but i am not sure if adding more rep amount is good, even now some ships can rep too much compared to damage same size ships does and that is and will be without links.

one thing was odd on command ship changes, gallente command ships do not get anymore bonus for informations links. Some how breaks immersion !

Adding bonus with scan res to boost gate camps.

I agree -
I think most of the changes are good too, except the local reps.


Incursis and Vexors are already extremely tough to kill when active tanked.
They will end up a bit OP I think.

The OGB'ing boosting and non pos sitting is great.

Don't know much about CS's as I've never flown them or with them much, this may well get them out there more vOv

The local reps is another polarising one IMO some people think it's the best thing ever some will hate it till the ends of the earth.
In med/small ship combat reps are constrained mainly by cap requirements and local reps are often replaced by buffer fits due to this.
In some of the already tanky ships (incursus for eg) I don't think it will make much difference as you generally cannot 'break' the tank on these ships/fits unless you completely overwhelm them with numbers/dps etc but you can pretty easily beat them with tactics around damage mitigation and cap warfare.

TBH I like that local reps are getting a boost. Not sure if 15% is too much or too little as this will have to play out a bit while the meta settles. I am glad to see amour get more of a boost than shield though.

Should be interesting to see how it pans out regardless.

Proposed Changes in F&I Forums

TL;DR:

You can't boost from inside a POS.
Strategic Cruisers are going from 5% to 2% per level.
Mindlink bonus reduced from +50% to +25%
Warfare Specialist skill bonus changed from the current 100% bonus 20% bonus per level
All defensive (Siege and Armored) links: Max Bonus reduced from 35% to 25%
Interdiction Maneuvers: Max Bonus reduced from 53% to 39%.

Oh man, this makes me want to restart Trinkets friendly Advice Column.

I think ccp should hold off on buffing active tanks until ogb is done away with.

Legion makes armor rep ships god mode already.

Cap Pilot, Indy alt, Logistics alt, scout alt, Market Alt, incursion alt, ....

Gee, if only there were other aspects of EvE beyond OGB'ing that you could explore with that character...

People will still complain about OGB but the changes are very promising. Right now one dude can roll out of bed, set up a booster in a POS for his amigos and walk away for the rest of the day. People might hug the POS or undock a booster for fights, but 23.5/7 boosters are going to go away.

Other points:
CS require more SP to get into.
Deathstars are expensive to maintain and inviting targets.
Mo' Tornados! Mo' Tornados! Mo' Tornados!

The nerf to link strength outweights the buff to local reps - legion/damnation-boosted active tankers will have weaker tanks after the patch than they do at present (which won't really matter because they'll still sustainably tank considerably more damage than a same-class ship can put out if they're fit appropriately).

cap pilot - not used when you are in high-sec
indy alt - alt on the same account already
logistics alt - it's too much effort for nothing really
scout - maybe, but usually i don't bring anything expensive into danger areas. doesn't worth the risk
market alt - why alt if you have main char?
incursion - boring farming

next options?

No Falcon alt? 0.o

This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time.

Actually I think its the opposite - small groups and solos are losing their equalizer. Only way now to fight larger groups will be to bring more people . . .

cap pilot - not used when you are in high-sec
indy alt - alt on the same account already
logistics alt - it's too much effort for nothing really
scout - maybe, but usually i don't bring anything expensive into danger areas. doesn't worth the risk
market alt - why alt if you have main char?
incursion - boring farming

next options?

This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time.

Actually I think its the opposite - small groups and solos are losing their equalizer.

Buys boosting alt within. 24 hrs nerf is announced sad panda..

The more I think about it the more I see these changes as a complete shell game.

OGBs still = god mode. Especially since they are buffing the type of tank ogbs bonus the most - local active tanks.

But now you can't share them as easilly (due to pos no longer working) so if you want to play in god mode you need your own alt. So more people will need to start buying alt accounts. CCP made it easier to do with cheaper links and more variety.

In the short term we will see fewer boosted pvpers but in the long term we will see more booster alt accounts.

and lets nerf implants while we are at it because they are also so unfair.

This post was sponsored by: The I Would Have Won That Fight If I Had Only Come Prepared Club.

What he had a Booster?

What he had implants?

What he had rigs?

What he was faction fit?

But I cant afford that stuff. So Unfair! qq.

Can't wait until they go on grid too.

Not going to happen. Rise told me that in person.

B.

please elaborate. Cox lying about trying to remove them?

It's a performance optimization problem. We could turn on range-based boosting in Odyssey but it would melt all the servers.

And this isn't being delayed by Odyssey, the team working on the underlying code that will make ongrid boosting possible (along with many other things) isn't releasing anything in Odyssey. It's just that big of a project.

So like I said before, at some point CCP Veritas will make all my ganglink-related dreams come true but I honestly do not know when that point will be. When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.

Well now I'm confused. There are clear indications that they would like to bring them on grid: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3079425#post3079425

Changes are crap, bring that **** on grid and put them on killmails or **** off.

This will change virtually nothing.

I'm still hoping for a proper nerf in v2 though.

Edit: lol V2 is already here and this still will change virtually nothing.

Yay.

They cut the max interdiction maneuvers bonus by another 5%:

Your unheated T2 warp disruptor has gone from 36.7km to 32.3km.
A meta warp disruptor has gone from 30.6km to 26.9km.
T2 Warp Scrambler was 13.8km. It is now 12.1km.
Your 10km web was 15.3km. It is now 13.5km.

Overall I wish they had nerfed it more but o well.

If they roll out the 60 second aggression timer for station docking and gates - I think I'll be happy. You will still have OGB to face but I'm sure we'll be seeing people testing how 'awake' the enemy's booster alts are. I foresee lots of Tornado drive-bys.

Are the people mianly complaining about OGB'ing the solo/very small gang crowd? (yes I do consider myself one of those)

I also feel that boosts are way OP when considering solo/small gang combat but in reality for the vast majority of eve do they really make that big an impact? vOv I'm not convinced as most organised fleets will have boosts so they cancel each other out.

Now I'm not advocating them or the 'need' to have them but on the grand scheme of things I'm not sure doing anything with them (nerfing them or removing them completely) will actually do anything at all.

After all the solo'er will then just bleet on again about combat booster drugs/pirate implants/falcon alts etc etc. Next cry will be to get what booster drugs used to kill you on your lossmail!

Get rid of lossmails!!! down with epeen contests on KB's!

Living in lowsec for the last 18 months I can say that OGB's have had pretty much SFA affect on me apart from getting ganked a few times by booster using 'leet' players.

Harden up you lot!

He told me that they do not intend to force them on grid.

I think he probably told you that we're not pushing them on grid in Odyssey 1.1.

When we're done with links you won't recognize them.

But Fozzie how hard can it be to make links increase sig radius?

Let's derail. If it is protected inside a POS, then it shouldn't be able to project power outside of a POS.

But Fozzie how hard can it be to make links increase sig radius? A change like that, such that one wouldn't be able to engage in the stupidity of ss'd tech III boosting, does not seem difficult to code or implement. Do that and give the command subsystems better defensive stats, and the tech IIIs will come on grid naturally. No need to worry about constant distance checks clogging the processing power of the servers or whatever the problems are associated with an area of effect mechanism for links.

edit - the changes you've been proposing will not end the ss'd link running that messes up particularly small scale engagements in fw or wherever.

Perhaps reduce sensor strength instead of increase sig radius.

If you increse the signature radius on link ships, they are harder to hit when ongrid, we don't want that.
If you decrease the sensor strenght, they can be jammed with ease while ongrid, and thus make even less DPS. we don't want that.

I like scanning down booster, please don't take that away from me :) And it's now easier then ever.
Even if you can't scan him down, doploying probes near him can force him to cloak.

The big deal is, you want to punish people for bringing links on grid with a combat ship.

If you fly with 3 BCs, two of them have links but crippled sensor strength, 2/3 of your DPS will be jammed out by EC-300 drones or a single griffin.

But if you use an alt and sit him close to a station or pos shield, where he is safe, you don't care about your sensor strength. So it will weaken on grid links and thus give station hugging alts an advantage. Same with big fleets, they don't care that much if one ship is jammed out.

What the big deal with scanning? You need like 2x V skills and 4 imps.
Scanning down links is one of the things that gets my heat racing. My hand always shaking from the adrenalin while the last scan cycle @ 0.50 AU is running.

It's not about the killmails, totally not. At all.

You can put one link on a BCs and still habe enough grid/cpu for a normal combat fitting.
So it's not like a logi.
I'm not talking about a ship with 5 link on it. I'm talking about ongrid link ships in a small scale scenario where ships often have different roles at once.

Then what's the problem?

The big deal is, you want to punish people for bringing links on grid with a combat ship.
So it will weaken on grid links and thus give station hugging alts an advantage.

I already told you:


Your solution makes it harder to have a useful link ship on grid.
I rather put one link down on my offgrid booster and but yet another ECCM on it to counter your proposed changed that have crippled ship in grid.

You can already scan down offgrid booster with ~3 cycles. Less if you know he is very close to a celestial.

The issue though is you shouldn't have to scan anyway. If some ship is going to have such a huge impact on the outcome of a fight it should be right there on grid and subject to getting shot and removed from the fight.

You are 100% right and i agree with you there.
That is why CCP is working on a good solution.
Increasing sig or weakening sensor strenght is a bad workaround. It's not a fix!

You are 100% right and i agree with you there.
That is why CCP is working on a good solution.
Increasing sig or weakening sensor strenght is a bad workaround. It's not a fix!

I think he probably told you that we're not pushing them on grid in Odyssey 1.1.

When we're done with links you won't recognize them.