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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 19/12/2005 15:33:44
 Originally by: KilROCK
Sounds like a raven only able to kill haulers and warp out.
Seriously, if you think anti ship missiles will be able to hit smaller targets effectivly, the same can be said for torpedos. What's the big deal with the speed of torpedos and cruise in a range of 20km?
I feel like coming down to your pirate camp, jam your raven in a hauler and laugh at you while i scramble you with 3 points and you pop.
With cruise you are choosing a weapon that can be effective against all targets but for the very fastest of ceptors and uber tanked HACS. This setup is good enough to take down, as I said, most BS. There will be times when you have to warp, but I'm fighting sentrys as well so it's to be expected.
Any pirate risks being scrammed while aggro'd at gate, this is the reason I lose a ship every two weeks or so.....
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:35:00 -
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Well, I'm out of this topic. Good luck on your setup quest, You need some....
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Well, I'm out of this topic. Good luck on your setup quest, You need some....
cya 
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 19/12/2005 15:00:43
Originally by: LWMaverick
omfg.. Whats with all the stabs?
a carebare pirate  Id probibly go with PDU II's in the lows for a bit more tankage with two BCU II's.
erm, what is a carebear pirate ?
stabs let me leave, I said don't smack me for the setup... it gets the job done fine so I thought I'd share.
If you don't like it, then it's probably coz...
1. you have alot of isk and don't mind going boom lots.
2. you are not a pirate
go figure 
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 19/12/2005 15:00:43
Originally by: LWMaverick
omfg.. Whats with all the stabs?
a carebare pirate Id probibly go with PDU II's in the lows for a bit more tankage with two BCU II's.
erm, what is a carebear pirate ?
stabs let me leave, I said don't smack me for the setup... it gets the job done fine so I thought I'd share.
If you don't like it, then it's probably coz...
1. you have alot of isk and don't mind going boom lots.
2. you are not a pirate
go figure
Nice post....
Why do people post and say nothing at all ?
Add to the thread with something constructive, or don't post at all. 
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:02:00 -
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Ok, gonna throw toys our pram here. I ain't gonna bother with you guys and reply any more...
Gonna start a thread on t2 tissues for you all instead... you all cry / smacktalk, it's like being in local chat channel lol
Stop posting and gank haulers.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
rofl man, i knew you wouldnt be able to resist
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:03:00 -
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Ok, gonna throw toys our pram here. I ain't gonna bother with you guys and reply any more...
Gonna start a thread on t2 tissues for you all instead... you all cry / smacktalk, it's like being in local chat channel lol
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TraGiX
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: tiller
Ok, gonna throw toys our pram here. I ain't gonna bother with you guys and reply any more...
Gonna start a thread on t2 tissues for you all instead... you all cry / smacktalk, it's like being in local chat channel lol
Stop posting and gank haulers.
u were gonna stop posting like 30mins ago?
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: TraGiX
Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: tiller
Ok, gonna throw toys our pram here. I ain't gonna bother with you guys and reply any more...
Gonna start a thread on t2 tissues for you all instead... you all cry / smacktalk, it's like being in local chat channel lol
Stop posting and gank haulers.
u were gonna stop posting like 30mins ago?
Yup, he had to ruin the thread first 
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TraGiX
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:17:00 -
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way i see it..
If it works for you - keep doing it.
Its like the people that slate Burn Eden when they use their jamming raven setups.
"omg WCS noobs" - then their ship goes pop
Great thing about this game, there is more than one setup to a ship. Too many people just run to the 'ship setups' thread instead of learning what works and what doesnt.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: TraGiX
way i see it..
If it works for you - keep doing it.
Its like the people that slate Burn Eden when they use their jamming raven setups.
"omg WCS noobs" - then their ship goes pop
Great thing about this game, there is more than one setup to a ship. Too many people just run to the 'ship setups' thread instead of learning what works and what doesnt.
Agree fully.. I've flown 5 wcs ravens before because it fitted the situation. The task in this case was camping the home system of a corp with around 15 guys always in local. I needed to hurt them, but needed to run fast as they always had backup ready.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:27:00 -
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I smell a noob in this thread multi posting and it aint tiller... and shame on you Killrock too.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
I smell a noob in this thread multi posting and it aint tiller... and shame on you Killrock too.
Pfft, You should try it, it makes you feel tickly inside
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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
I smell a noob in this thread multi posting and it aint tiller... and shame on you Killrock too.
I have to agree with this man.
I'm sure to many tiller is a real **See Uoo Enn Tea** when he ganks your hauler full of kit, but he is sharing views and opinions in a hounest and friendly manner.
Trolls and flamers are lower than any supposed noob empire pirate
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:42:00 -
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I much prefer cruise to torps.
The reason he has 2 sensor boosters is to be able to catch HACs and cruisers, as well as indys. Cruise missles + heavy nos will tear up a hac, whereas torps will do far less damage. Then, there are assault frigs and ceptors on autopilot who he can kill with cruise but not torps. The only time torps make a difference is VS a HEAVILY tanked bs. Dual repper dom, tripple repper apoc. These tanks will be tough to break with cruise, but in low sec will be very rare.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
I much prefer cruise to torps.
The reason he has 2 sensor boosters is to be able to catch HACs and cruisers, as well as indys. Cruise missles + heavy nos will tear up a hac, whereas torps will do far less damage. Then, there are assault frigs and ceptors on autopilot who he can kill with cruise but not torps. The only time torps make a difference is VS a HEAVILY tanked bs. Dual repper dom, tripple repper apoc. These tanks will be tough to break with cruise, but in low sec will be very rare.
Yeah I'd love to get a extra nos on but it's tough to fit without giving up something else.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Shin Ra
I much prefer cruise to torps.
The reason he has 2 sensor boosters is to be able to catch HACs and cruisers, as well as indys. Cruise missles + heavy nos will tear up a hac, whereas torps will do far less damage. Then, there are assault frigs and ceptors on autopilot who he can kill with cruise but not torps. The only time torps make a difference is VS a HEAVILY tanked bs. Dual repper dom, tripple repper apoc. These tanks will be tough to break with cruise, but in low sec will be very rare.
Yeah I'd love to get a extra nos on but it's tough to fit without giving up something else.
I got nothing against stabs, but maybe your stabs? 
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Shin Ra
I much prefer cruise to torps.
The reason he has 2 sensor boosters is to be able to catch HACs and cruisers, as well as indys. Cruise missles + heavy nos will tear up a hac, whereas torps will do far less damage. Then, there are assault frigs and ceptors on autopilot who he can kill with cruise but not torps. The only time torps make a difference is VS a HEAVILY tanked bs. Dual repper dom, tripple repper apoc. These tanks will be tough to break with cruise, but in low sec will be very rare.
Yeah I'd love to get a extra nos on but it's tough to fit without giving up something else.
I got nothing against stabs, but maybe your stabs?
I have thought of that one, need to keep two though... or I could be pinned down by a AF, and that would be a real bad way to die 
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:51:00 -
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What did RMR change for you in that setup? Can't relly see anything new there.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:52:00 -
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I give up. Cap injector, replace a sensor booster II by one.
If you shove two nos on the AF and just 'warp'.. How will you get locked down if they have no cap.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
What did RMR change for you in that setup? Can't relly see anything new there.
Reduced cap usage on invun field II and damage control units is the change in RMR. They together give near the resistances of using hardeners but using less slots ,especially useful when using low slot count tank setups.
Double the tank is a big change and for the sacrifice of one stab on my setup is nothing short of amazing.....
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
I give up. Cap injector, replace a sensor booster II by one.
If you shove two nos on the AF and just 'warp'.. How will you get locked down if they have no cap.
It's easy to see ways out but when at the gate it's a different story. Often the biggest target is my primary, and the whole reason I warped in... smaller ships often then show after I've engaged and I'm already in a firefight.
It's tough, you can't afford to give any dmg dealer time to assist the sentrys, they must always be taken first but in doing so gives tacklers a chance to stop your escape when your already damaged and out of cap.
You need two sensor boosters to lock down people going to warp when jumping into system. I think the ship can't be improved, it does pretty much everything ok and can't do any more.
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MellaRinn
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
torps don't do damage to small targets? lol, that's a new one...
My enyo gets maximum of 24 damage from a torp raven 1year old player...
I can tank all his torps no probs... you think what you write first, please...
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2005 17:20:13
Originally by: KilROCK
I feel like coming down to your pirate camp, jam your raven in a hauler and laugh at you while i scramble you with 3 points and you pop.
FoFs?
@ everyone in this thread who's never ganked anyone in sentry range and think their blob wars teach them about PvP.
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Nistro
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:39:00 -
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right ppl as he has said this is a pirateing setup, i used to fly under the same banner as tiller did before i went my own way again this set does what it is ment to do and i have even used it when i was ganking  and it works very well.
btw hey tiller :)
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2005 17:20:13
Originally by: KilROCK
I feel like coming down to your pirate camp, jam your raven in a hauler and laugh at you while i scramble you with 3 points and you pop.
FoFs?
@ everyone in this thread who's never ganked anyone in sentry range and think their blob wars teach them about PvP.
Originally by: Alowishus
Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2005 17:20:13
Originally by: KilROCK
I feel like coming down to your pirate camp, jam your raven in a hauler and laugh at you while i scramble you with 3 points and you pop.
FoFs?
@ everyone in this thread who's never ganked anyone in sentry range and think their blob wars teach them about PvP.
Fighting solo at a gate against another BS is a scary thing. Often you are taking the dmg from the BS you have scrammed plus the same dmg again from sentry. Luckily most people just sweat alot / shake and die in peace without firing a shot back at you, hard to believe, but true.
FoFs will engage the sentry guns not the target jamming you if you are flagged, really needs fixing. I've been at a gate scrammed and jammed by a scorp and had to just sit there and die while watching dozens of FoFs shoot the sentrys and billboard lol
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.12.19 18:54:00 -
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Jeez, leave the guy alone... If he's running 6 rocket launchers on his Raven, who cares? Really?
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Debreault
Whenever Battle Angels is bored, in between contracts, we go pirate hunting. We have killed lots and lots of pirates.
Tiller is about as tough to kill as a low sec pirate gate camper gets. He's good at what he does, understands the way the game works, and is by no means a newbie.
Gate camping pirates are setting themselves up. They remain static at a gate, just sitting there blinky red, available for any passing covert ops ship to scout out. The use of WCS in this situation is prudent.
While I don't gatecamp or fly the stupid uber raven, I would take tiller's word to the bank on this setup for this purpose.
Thanks m8, and if I remember, your mega with you flying is one of the few occasions I don't want to be any where near the gate. All out gank assault at opt range on a flagged raven = instaboom
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