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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 19/12/2005 14:50:07
I'd just like to say thanks to ccp for improving the raven as a gatecamp tool. I like to fly a raven that can lock fast, tackle, then hit fast... this usually leaves tank very weak for sentrys but allows you to scramble incoming ships from other system.
This was my cold war setup for solo hunting. It gave about 1min 30secs shield tank under heavy sentry fire.
High: 6 * T2 Cruise, 1 * E500 NOS
Mid: 2 Sensor Booster II, 20km Scram, Shield booster amp, Therm Hardener II, 1 XL Booster II
Low: 3 Stabs, 2 Muon Coil BCU
Now post RMR
High: 6 * T2 Cruise, 1 * E500 NOS
Mid: 2 Sensor Booster II, 20km Scram, 2 Invun Field II, 1 XL Booster II
Low: 2 Stabs, 1 Damage Control, 2 Muon Coil BCU
This tank now lasts about 3mins (with a little gang assist), with the same tackle and dmg power.
Pretty impressive change... the RMR Raven is a transformed ship. Please don't post that this setup is no good, it's a pirating setup and is tailored exactly to meet those requirements. 
The only downside is you can no longer spit out 9-10 light drones to draw the sentry fire as before...and can only carry 15 of them 
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:50:00 -
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raven and cruise?? are you mad??
LOL
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 19/12/2005 14:55:54
 Originally by: Lord Aradon
raven and cruise?? are you mad??
LOL
You can't gate camp with torps unless you plan on only hitting bs.. this ship will single volley a hauler even if going to warp with stabs and still have the gank to take down 75% of BS in less time than it takes them to slowboat to gate.
It's tried and tested, there is no better gate camping setup IMHO 
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Aradon
raven and cruise?? are you mad??
LOL
well he is "sniping" at gates, what sort of travel time do your missiles get? if you are being shot at by sentrys anyway you may as well switch to torps no? suppose it depends what you are fighting i'm guessing not BS since they would probibly pwn you with that setup. (or at least i know i would providing i started ~20k away)..
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:58:00 -
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omfg.. Whats with all the stabs?
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 19/12/2005 15:00:43
Originally by: LWMaverick
omfg.. Whats with all the stabs?
a carebare pirate  Id probibly go with PDU II's in the lows for a bit more tankage with two BCU II's.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Steele
Originally by: Lord Aradon
raven and cruise?? are you mad??
LOL
well he is "sniping" at gates, what sort of travel time do your missiles get? if you are being shot at by sentrys anyway you may as well switch to torps no? suppose it depends what you are fighting i'm guessing not BS since they would probibly pwn you with that setup. (or at least i know i would providing i started ~20k away)..
Not sniping, sitting right on the gate ready to scram any inc ships. Torps don't do enough damage on smaller targets.
Most BS go boom from experience.... only the toughest tanks survive. The odd exception is EW and NOS, but they are few and far between.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 19/12/2005 15:00:43
Originally by: LWMaverick
omfg.. Whats with all the stabs?
a carebare pirate Id probibly go with PDU II's in the lows for a bit more tankage with two BCU II's.
erm, what is a carebear pirate ?
stabs let me leave, I said don't smack me for the setup... it gets the job done fine so I thought I'd share.
If you don't like it, then it's probably coz...
1. you have alot of isk and don't mind going boom lots.
2. you are not a pirate
go figure 
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Aradon on 19/12/2005 15:03:20
hum, hokeedoo, cruise is designed for long range engagements between battleships, you do know that.....right?
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:04:00 -
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torps don't do damage to small targets? lol, that's a new one...
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
torps don't do damage to small targets? lol, that's a new one...
he obviously hasnt learned how to web
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Aradon
Edited by: Lord Aradon on 19/12/2005 15:03:20
hum, hokeedoo, cruise is designed for long range engagements between battleships, you do know that.....right?
Try them short range for gank tactics m8, you'll love them....
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:07:00 -
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i do, PVE, i just prefer torps up close and personal.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Aradon
Originally by: KilROCK
torps don't do damage to small targets? lol, that's a new one...
he obviously hasnt learned how to web
You can't do EVERYTHING solo... lets see...
Lock fast, scram, web, tank and damage ? cannot be done... you have to make sacrifices. Web has to be left out.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Lord Aradon
Originally by: KilROCK
torps don't do damage to small targets? lol, that's a new one...
he obviously hasnt learned how to web
You can't do EVERYTHING solo... lets see...
Lock fast, scram, web, tank and damage ? cannot be done... you have to make sacrifices. Web has to be left out.
Lol, sorry but the raven can do everything solo.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Lord Aradon
Originally by: KilROCK
torps don't do damage to small targets? lol, that's a new one...
he obviously hasnt learned how to web
You can't do EVERYTHING solo... lets see...
Lock fast, scram, web, tank and damage ? cannot be done... you have to make sacrifices. Web has to be left out.
Lol, sorry but the raven can do everything solo.
ok, post a setup to do all of those....... for GATE CAMPING
lmao
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Vesas
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
erm, what is a carebear pirate ?
Are you under the delusion that the terms are mutually exclusive? 
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:10:00 -
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It's easy, And you should be able to figure out alone. I don't help rookie piwates come up with setups. Toodles 
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vesas
Originally by: tiller
erm, what is a carebear pirate ?
Are you under the delusion that the terms are mutually exclusive?
Post with your main ? lol
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Kalinin
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:12:00 -
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ffs, the guy posts a setup that he likes using. It works for him.
Then u get all the smacktalking 10 year olds going "omg no torps? NOOB"
Tiller is well known for his piracy. Who are these idiots smacking him?
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:12:00 -
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owned hehe
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
It's easy, And you should be able to figure out alone. I don't help rookie piwates come up with setups. Toodles
Then why post in my thread. Please be gone 
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:14:00 -
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were not smacking his setups, just hes using tools for opposite jobs.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:17:00 -
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...I'm just waiting for the T2 cruise missiles to appear now. The idea of being able to switch ammo for different size targets is just plain awesome.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
...I'm just waiting for the T2 cruise missiles to appear now. The idea of being able to switch ammo for different size targets is just plain awesome.
now im with you here 100%, i nearly messed my pants when i saw them on the market.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 19/12/2005 15:23:08
Originally by: tiller
...I'm just waiting for the T2 cruise missiles to appear now. The idea of being able to switch ammo for different size targets is just plain awesome.
Lol, to annihilate your tank with the penality? Sure, it will be a blast tanking sentry with -80%* to capacitor recharge.
*Don't know if penality stack with 5 launcher using 5 t2 anti-ship missile.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: tiller
...I'm just waiting for the T2 cruise missiles to appear now. The idea of being able to switch ammo for different size targets is just plain awesome.
Lol, to annihilate your tank with the penality? Sure, it will be a blast tanking sentry with -80% to capacitor recharge.
Cap recharge means nothing to my setup..... I work with the cap pool I have, once thats gone I leave.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Edited by: KilROCK on 19/12/2005 15:23:08
Originally by: tiller
...I'm just waiting for the T2 cruise missiles to appear now. The idea of being able to switch ammo for different size targets is just plain awesome.
Lol, to annihilate your tank with the penality? Sure, it will be a blast tanking sentry with -80%* to capacitor recharge.
*Don't know if penality stack with 5 launcher using 5 t2 anti-ship missile.
WTF? it doesnt cost anything to switch ammo mate, just about 10seconds
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Aradon
Originally by: KilROCK
Edited by: KilROCK on 19/12/2005 15:23:08
Originally by: tiller
...I'm just waiting for the T2 cruise missiles to appear now. The idea of being able to switch ammo for different size targets is just plain awesome.
Lol, to annihilate your tank with the penality? Sure, it will be a blast tanking sentry with -80%* to capacitor recharge.
*Don't know if penality stack with 5 launcher using 5 t2 anti-ship missile.
WTF? it doesnt cost anything to switch ammo mate, just about 10seconds
Check the stats on the T2 ammo... they have a effect. Though, not a problem if you are not relying on cap recharge rate to maintain tank. I can see it being a problem PVE though.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Check the stats on the T2 ammo... they have a effect. Though not a problem if you are not relying on cap recharge rate to maintain tank. I can see it being a problem PVE though.
thanks for that, didnt know
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 19/12/2005 15:33:44
Originally by: KilROCK
Sounds like a raven only able to kill haulers and warp out.
Seriously, if you think anti ship missiles will be able to hit smaller targets effectivly, the same can be said for torpedos. What's the big deal with the speed of torpedos and cruise in a range of 20km?
I feel like coming down to your pirate camp, jam your raven in a hauler and laugh at you while i scramble you with 3 points and you pop.
With cruise you are choosing a weapon that can be effective against all targets but for the very fastest of ceptors and uber tanked HACS. This setup is good enough to take down, as I said, most BS. There will be times when you have to warp, but I'm fighting sentrys as well so it's to be expected.
Any pirate risks being scrammed while aggro'd at gate, this is the reason I lose a ship every two weeks or so.....
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:35:00 -
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Well, I'm out of this topic. Good luck on your setup quest, You need some....
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Well, I'm out of this topic. Good luck on your setup quest, You need some....
cya 
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 19/12/2005 15:00:43
Originally by: LWMaverick
omfg.. Whats with all the stabs?
a carebare pirate Id probibly go with PDU II's in the lows for a bit more tankage with two BCU II's.
erm, what is a carebear pirate ?
stabs let me leave, I said don't smack me for the setup... it gets the job done fine so I thought I'd share.
If you don't like it, then it's probably coz...
1. you have alot of isk and don't mind going boom lots.
2. you are not a pirate
go figure
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 19/12/2005 15:00:43
Originally by: LWMaverick
omfg.. Whats with all the stabs?
a carebare pirate Id probibly go with PDU II's in the lows for a bit more tankage with two BCU II's.
erm, what is a carebear pirate ?
stabs let me leave, I said don't smack me for the setup... it gets the job done fine so I thought I'd share.
If you don't like it, then it's probably coz...
1. you have alot of isk and don't mind going boom lots.
2. you are not a pirate
go figure
Nice post....
Why do people post and say nothing at all ?
Add to the thread with something constructive, or don't post at all. 
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:02:00 -
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Ok, gonna throw toys our pram here. I ain't gonna bother with you guys and reply any more...
Gonna start a thread on t2 tissues for you all instead... you all cry / smacktalk, it's like being in local chat channel lol
Stop posting and gank haulers.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
rofl man, i knew you wouldnt be able to resist
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:03:00 -
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Ok, gonna throw toys our pram here. I ain't gonna bother with you guys and reply any more...
Gonna start a thread on t2 tissues for you all instead... you all cry / smacktalk, it's like being in local chat channel lol
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TraGiX
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: tiller
Ok, gonna throw toys our pram here. I ain't gonna bother with you guys and reply any more...
Gonna start a thread on t2 tissues for you all instead... you all cry / smacktalk, it's like being in local chat channel lol
Stop posting and gank haulers.
u were gonna stop posting like 30mins ago?
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: TraGiX
Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: tiller
Ok, gonna throw toys our pram here. I ain't gonna bother with you guys and reply any more...
Gonna start a thread on t2 tissues for you all instead... you all cry / smacktalk, it's like being in local chat channel lol
Stop posting and gank haulers.
u were gonna stop posting like 30mins ago?
Yup, he had to ruin the thread first 
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TraGiX
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:17:00 -
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way i see it..
If it works for you - keep doing it.
Its like the people that slate Burn Eden when they use their jamming raven setups.
"omg WCS noobs" - then their ship goes pop
Great thing about this game, there is more than one setup to a ship. Too many people just run to the 'ship setups' thread instead of learning what works and what doesnt.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: TraGiX
way i see it..
If it works for you - keep doing it.
Its like the people that slate Burn Eden when they use their jamming raven setups.
"omg WCS noobs" - then their ship goes pop
Great thing about this game, there is more than one setup to a ship. Too many people just run to the 'ship setups' thread instead of learning what works and what doesnt.
Agree fully.. I've flown 5 wcs ravens before because it fitted the situation. The task in this case was camping the home system of a corp with around 15 guys always in local. I needed to hurt them, but needed to run fast as they always had backup ready.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:27:00 -
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I smell a noob in this thread multi posting and it aint tiller... and shame on you Killrock too.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
I smell a noob in this thread multi posting and it aint tiller... and shame on you Killrock too.
Pfft, You should try it, it makes you feel tickly inside
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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
I smell a noob in this thread multi posting and it aint tiller... and shame on you Killrock too.
I have to agree with this man.
I'm sure to many tiller is a real **See Uoo Enn Tea** when he ganks your hauler full of kit, but he is sharing views and opinions in a hounest and friendly manner.
Trolls and flamers are lower than any supposed noob empire pirate
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:42:00 -
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I much prefer cruise to torps.
The reason he has 2 sensor boosters is to be able to catch HACs and cruisers, as well as indys. Cruise missles + heavy nos will tear up a hac, whereas torps will do far less damage. Then, there are assault frigs and ceptors on autopilot who he can kill with cruise but not torps. The only time torps make a difference is VS a HEAVILY tanked bs. Dual repper dom, tripple repper apoc. These tanks will be tough to break with cruise, but in low sec will be very rare.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
I much prefer cruise to torps.
The reason he has 2 sensor boosters is to be able to catch HACs and cruisers, as well as indys. Cruise missles + heavy nos will tear up a hac, whereas torps will do far less damage. Then, there are assault frigs and ceptors on autopilot who he can kill with cruise but not torps. The only time torps make a difference is VS a HEAVILY tanked bs. Dual repper dom, tripple repper apoc. These tanks will be tough to break with cruise, but in low sec will be very rare.
Yeah I'd love to get a extra nos on but it's tough to fit without giving up something else.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Shin Ra
I much prefer cruise to torps.
The reason he has 2 sensor boosters is to be able to catch HACs and cruisers, as well as indys. Cruise missles + heavy nos will tear up a hac, whereas torps will do far less damage. Then, there are assault frigs and ceptors on autopilot who he can kill with cruise but not torps. The only time torps make a difference is VS a HEAVILY tanked bs. Dual repper dom, tripple repper apoc. These tanks will be tough to break with cruise, but in low sec will be very rare.
Yeah I'd love to get a extra nos on but it's tough to fit without giving up something else.
I got nothing against stabs, but maybe your stabs? 
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Shin Ra
I much prefer cruise to torps.
The reason he has 2 sensor boosters is to be able to catch HACs and cruisers, as well as indys. Cruise missles + heavy nos will tear up a hac, whereas torps will do far less damage. Then, there are assault frigs and ceptors on autopilot who he can kill with cruise but not torps. The only time torps make a difference is VS a HEAVILY tanked bs. Dual repper dom, tripple repper apoc. These tanks will be tough to break with cruise, but in low sec will be very rare.
Yeah I'd love to get a extra nos on but it's tough to fit without giving up something else.
I got nothing against stabs, but maybe your stabs?
I have thought of that one, need to keep two though... or I could be pinned down by a AF, and that would be a real bad way to die
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:51:00 -
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What did RMR change for you in that setup? Can't relly see anything new there.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:52:00 -
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I give up. Cap injector, replace a sensor booster II by one.
If you shove two nos on the AF and just 'warp'.. How will you get locked down if they have no cap.
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
What did RMR change for you in that setup? Can't relly see anything new there.
Reduced cap usage on invun field II and damage control units is the change in RMR. They together give near the resistances of using hardeners but using less slots ,especially useful when using low slot count tank setups.
Double the tank is a big change and for the sacrifice of one stab on my setup is nothing short of amazing.....
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
I give up. Cap injector, replace a sensor booster II by one.
If you shove two nos on the AF and just 'warp'.. How will you get locked down if they have no cap.
It's easy to see ways out but when at the gate it's a different story. Often the biggest target is my primary, and the whole reason I warped in... smaller ships often then show after I've engaged and I'm already in a firefight.
It's tough, you can't afford to give any dmg dealer time to assist the sentrys, they must always be taken first but in doing so gives tacklers a chance to stop your escape when your already damaged and out of cap.
You need two sensor boosters to lock down people going to warp when jumping into system. I think the ship can't be improved, it does pretty much everything ok and can't do any more.
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MellaRinn
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
torps don't do damage to small targets? lol, that's a new one...
My enyo gets maximum of 24 damage from a torp raven 1year old player...
I can tank all his torps no probs... you think what you write first, please...
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2005 17:20:13
Originally by: KilROCK
I feel like coming down to your pirate camp, jam your raven in a hauler and laugh at you while i scramble you with 3 points and you pop.
FoFs?
@ everyone in this thread who's never ganked anyone in sentry range and think their blob wars teach them about PvP.
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Nistro
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:39:00 -
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right ppl as he has said this is a pirateing setup, i used to fly under the same banner as tiller did before i went my own way again this set does what it is ment to do and i have even used it when i was ganking and it works very well.
btw hey tiller :)
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2005 17:20:13
Originally by: KilROCK
I feel like coming down to your pirate camp, jam your raven in a hauler and laugh at you while i scramble you with 3 points and you pop.
FoFs?
@ everyone in this thread who's never ganked anyone in sentry range and think their blob wars teach them about PvP.
Originally by: Alowishus
Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2005 17:20:13
Originally by: KilROCK
I feel like coming down to your pirate camp, jam your raven in a hauler and laugh at you while i scramble you with 3 points and you pop.
FoFs?
@ everyone in this thread who's never ganked anyone in sentry range and think their blob wars teach them about PvP.
Fighting solo at a gate against another BS is a scary thing. Often you are taking the dmg from the BS you have scrammed plus the same dmg again from sentry. Luckily most people just sweat alot / shake and die in peace without firing a shot back at you, hard to believe, but true.
FoFs will engage the sentry guns not the target jamming you if you are flagged, really needs fixing. I've been at a gate scrammed and jammed by a scorp and had to just sit there and die while watching dozens of FoFs shoot the sentrys and billboard lol
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.12.19 18:54:00 -
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Jeez, leave the guy alone... If he's running 6 rocket launchers on his Raven, who cares? Really?
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tiller
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Debreault
Whenever Battle Angels is bored, in between contracts, we go pirate hunting. We have killed lots and lots of pirates.
Tiller is about as tough to kill as a low sec pirate gate camper gets. He's good at what he does, understands the way the game works, and is by no means a newbie.
Gate camping pirates are setting themselves up. They remain static at a gate, just sitting there blinky red, available for any passing covert ops ship to scout out. The use of WCS in this situation is prudent.
While I don't gatecamp or fly the stupid uber raven, I would take tiller's word to the bank on this setup for this purpose.
Thanks m8, and if I remember, your mega with you flying is one of the few occasions I don't want to be any where near the gate. All out gank assault at opt range on a flagged raven = instaboom
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Debreault
Whenever Battle Angels is bored, in between contracts, we go pirate hunting. We have killed lots and lots of pirates.
Tiller is about as tough to kill as a low sec pirate gate camper gets. He's good at what he does, understands the way the game works, and is by no means a newbie.
Gate camping pirates are setting themselves up. They remain static at a gate, just sitting there blinky red, available for any passing covert ops ship to scout out. The use of WCS in this situation is prudent.
While I don't gatecamp or fly the stupid uber raven, I would take tiller's word to the bank on this setup for this purpose.
Credit where credit is due.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2005 22:50:03
Originally by: KilROCK
I give up. Cap injector, replace a sensor booster II by one. If you shove two nos on the AF and just 'warp'.. How will you get locked down if they have no cap.
Thanks for the insight, noob. A cap injector is worthless in this situation because you warp out before you need to use it. Plus it's STUPID on a missile boat to fill your cargo with cap booster charges. Also, the second sensor booster is 100% necessary to get a lock on most ships before they warp out. Haulers, maybe not a problem, especially with expanders, but it helps with cruisers and frigs. Stop talking out of your ass and admit you have zero experience doing what we're talking about.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 19/12/2005 22:53:49
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: KilROCK
I give up. Cap injector, replace a sensor booster II by one. If you shove two nos on the AF and just 'warp'.. How will you get locked down if they have no cap.
Thanks for the insight, noob. A cap injector is worthless in this situation because you warp out before you need to use it. Secondly, the second sensor booster is 100% necessary to get a lock on most ships before they warp out. Haulers, maybe not a problem, especially with expanders, but it helps with cruisers and frigs. Stop talking out of your ass and admit you have zero experience doing what we're talking about.
Ha ha ha. I'll admit i don't fly ravens, or sit at gates ganking "haulers".
My ass talks more sense than you will ever do, so why don't you kiss it and kill more haulers haha.
Cap injectors were useful in the past for alot of pirating setups, and they are useful now even more for strong, invulnerability field tanks. Granted it might not be useful for what you do, Sit on gates and gank everything that may fly thru, but a setup with a strong tank for long battles against something that 'might' shoot back, or long sentry tanking will be alot better with a setup with a cap injector.
Think outside the box, and don't ever call me a noob again.
Raven lover.
Since you edited your topic. Cap booster charges are reduced in size, and i'd throw out a couple of missiles to be able to tank sentry ALOT longer. You shoot what, 2-3 volley per haulers? don't tell me you need 2k of missiles in that cargo hold.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:08:00 -
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First off, I don't fly a Raven.
And you're also talking to someone who spent over a year living in 0.0 in Alliance vs. Alliance combat situations on a daily basis before becoming a pirate. I have experience with many types of combat. And I don't gate camp that often, but when I do, the engagemts usually lasts only long enough to get down to maybe 75% cap (under 30 seconds). I understand the value of cap boosters and have used them many times in the past. Your problem is that we're talking about a specific use and context for the ship setup and you can't seem to get your head around it.
Good day, noob.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:14:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Alowishus
First off, I don't fly a Raven.
And you're also talking to someone who spent over a year living in 0.0 in Alliance vs. Alliance combat situations on a daily basis before becoming a pirate. I have experience with many types of combat. And I don't gate camp that often, but when I do, the engagemts usually lasts only long enough to get down to maybe 75% cap (under 30 seconds). I understand the value of cap boosters and have used them many times in the past. Your problem is that we're talking about a specific use and context for the ship setup and you can't seem to get your head around it.
Good day, noob.
Just 'lol'.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:56:00 -
[66]
Hmmm Alow. m8:
Killrock is as arrogant as it gets and sometimes says silly things cause of that but he is no noob and he is here to spice our forums pls behave mkay?
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:22:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Marko Debreault
Whenever Battle Angels is bored, in between contracts, we go pirate hunting. We have killed lots and lots of pirates.
Tiller is about as tough to kill as a low sec pirate gate camper gets. He's good at what he does, understands the way the game works, and is by no means a newbie.
Gate camping pirates are setting themselves up. They remain static at a gate, just sitting there blinky red, available for any passing covert ops ship to scout out. The use of WCS in this situation is prudent.
While I don't gatecamp or fly the stupid uber raven, I would take tiller's word to the bank on this setup for this purpose.
Credit where credit is due.
Aren't you the guy who swears by 1200s on a tempest? You really aren't in a position to call anyone a noob.
Originally by: Omeega
I R NO WORK.
I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:28:00 -
[68]
Originally by: KilROCK
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:31:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Alowishus
Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2005 22:50:03
Originally by: KilROCK
I give up. Cap injector, replace a sensor booster II by one. If you shove two nos on the AF and just 'warp'.. How will you get locked down if they have no cap.
Thanks for the insight, noob.
Excuse moir ?
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:41:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Alowishus
First off, I don't fly a Raven.
And you're also talking to someone who spent over a year living in 0.0 in Alliance vs. Alliance combat situations on a daily basis before becoming a pirate. I have experience with many types of combat. And I don't gate camp that often, but when I do, the engagemts usually lasts only long enough to get down to maybe 75% cap (under 30 seconds). I understand the value of cap boosters and have used them many times in the past. Your problem is that we're talking about a specific use and context for the ship setup and you can't seem to get your head around it.
Good day, noob.
Oh my... ...
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:57:00 -
[71]
My dad has a bigger x-mas tree than your dads.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:07:00 -
[72]
Errm, Kil/Mav, for your own sake, shhhh.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:10:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Errm, Kil/Mav, for your own sake, shhhh.
I will not be Shhhhhh'ed down!!  
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Aeid Nomais
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Errm, Kil/Mav, for your own sake, shhhh.
Let them continue, this is now the best thread I ever seen cause of them.
KiLRocK:
"My ass talks more sense than you will ever do, so why don't you kiss it and kill more haulers haha."
Maverick:
Posts three times in a row.
"Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes"
And many more...
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:21:00 -
[75]
Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Ranger 1
Errm, Kil/Mav, for your own sake, shhhh.
I will not be Shhhhhh'ed down!!
Freeeeedoooom!!!111!11
Okay im finished.. but seriously, calling killrock a noob because of that?... Man.. I too believe in the use of Cap boosters, both on shield tanked and armor tanked ships... I cant really see the problem here...
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:23:00 -
[76]
Of course, i'm on the left, and Whatever his name, on the right.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:24:00 -
[77]
Pan metron Ariston.
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Aeid Nomais
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:25:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Aeid Nomais on 20/12/2005 01:26:08
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Crellion
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:25:00 -
[79]
Originally by: KilROCK
Of course, i'm on the left, and Whatever his name, on the right.
He seems to be powning your foot with his jaw you noob.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:25:00 -
[80]
ROFLMAO
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:34:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: KilROCK
Of course, i'm on the left, and Whatever his name, on the right.
He seems to be powning your foot with his jaw you noob.
Of course not, he might dodge it, but then i push his chest backward and break his spine!
Well not really, just found this by googling 'kick ass'.
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:46:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Trepkos on 20/12/2005 01:50:00
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: Alowishus
First off, I don't fly a Raven.
I lived in 0.0 for 18 yrs
using nothing but the clothes on my
back and the loot from the haulers I
killed to keep me alive, dont
disrespect my nooberness kilrock!
Good day, noob.
Oh my... ...
Lol, funny.....all bow to alowishus.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:47:00 -
[83]
I rest my case.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:51:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Ranger 1
I rest my case.
Yea, chew on those fries!
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without
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Posted - 2005.12.20 03:53:00 -
[85]
as i see it, there are two and a half type of people in eve
1. those that think u should fit "cruise" launchers to fight crusiers
feking nubs, only caldari i tell ya, if amar where this stupid, id make sure my next clone has no amar DNA
cruise raven is a LOOOOOOOOONGGGGGG range platform, nothing to do with killing cruisers
2. those that fit torps onto a raven because they know that in 80% of situations ts the best thingg to do, they also know that a gank raven(with still a great tank), and with correct missiles can pawn most hacs very very fast
2.5: those that hate everything about the raven and want it to be nerfed to zero launcher hardpoints and 1 turret poiunt, 1 mid slot, 1 low slot, no drone bay. 5pg, 3million cpu. and require you to have mini, galante, amar bs on 5 before u can get into one
(only cos its over powered imho)
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2005.12.20 07:06:00 -
[86]
Props to tiller for (I have *NO IDEA* how, I would have flipped out) putting up with all the smack in this thread.
Sincere thanks for sharing your setup, it's inspired me to train missiles/Caldari, which is quite a leap for a Minnie/Amarr specialized pilot
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
In short:
Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2005.12.20 07:10:00 -
[87]
Originally by: without
as i see it, there are two and a half type of people in eve.... (a lot of crap, i felt like cutting)
Funny, I've never seen you on a gate or even heard your name before. But, I guess you know best, right?
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
In short:
Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2005.12.20 07:51:00 -
[88]
Is it me or does no one use T2 torp lauchers at all?
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Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!! |
Malken
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Posted - 2005.12.20 08:15:00 -
[89]
Originally by: without
as i see it, there are two and a half type of people in eve
1. those that think u should fit "cruise" launchers to fight crusiers
feking nubs, only caldari i tell ya, if amar where this stupid, id make sure my next clone has no amar DNA
cruise raven is a LOOOOOOOOONGGGGGG range platform, nothing to do with killing cruisers
2. those that fit torps onto a raven because they know that in 80% of situations ts the best thingg to do, they also know that a gank raven(with still a great tank), and with correct missiles can pawn most hacs very very fast
2.5: those that hate everything about the raven and want it to be nerfed to zero launcher hardpoints and 1 turret poiunt, 1 mid slot, 1 low slot, no drone bay. 5pg, 3million cpu. and require you to have mini, galante, amar bs on 5 before u can get into one
(only cos its over powered imho)
you would be amazed how fast a torp raven dies to a couple of rifters.
a cruise raven on the other hand leaves a couple of rifter pilots without a ship to fly if the raven pilot has some missile skills.
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TILTISCH
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:07:00 -
[90]
Originally by: KilROCK
Sounds like a raven only able to kill haulers and warp out.
Seriously, if you think anti ship missiles will be able to hit smaller targets effectivly, the same can be said for torpedos. What's the big deal with the speed of torpedos and cruise in a range of 20km?
I feel like coming down to your pirate camp, jam your raven in a hauler and laugh at you while i scramble you with 3 points and you pop.
Can't you camp and let me come in a hauler, same result , for sure.
I can't understand how a person can be in such big need for attention as you apperantly are.
After seeing your posts for months the odd feeling of sorrow for you has struck me over and over again.
Get out or something I get sad eatchtime you post
Try happy and contructive for a few days and see how you like it please!
//TILT
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