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Noriath	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:34:00 - [1] I just saw that drone controll mods have an energy requirement of 75000 on the market. Does that mean they are for capital ships only and all my dreams of acctually having a ship that can be fittet for pure drone usage are out the window?
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:36:00 - [2] Yes. guessing because drone-only Dominix was a tad bit on teh silly side... o.o;
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:42:00 - [3] Yup. ------------------
Estya Nethary	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:45:00 - [4] Seriously? Goddamn. Why the hell is that? If they make drones as hard to learn as missiles, let drone users get some upgrade mods at the very least! (This is mainly about damagemods and range bonusses, if these are still _NORMAL_ ship capable, then ignore this post)
Cavy Dan	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:57:00 - [5] 'tis only the Drone Control Unit that is capital only, lads.
Noriath	Posted - 2005.12.19 20:45:00 - [6] That toally sucks... Now The Dominix is still just an overglorified Gank/Nos ship... Screw this, I thought this change would acctually allow you to make a pure drone ship, now you need a freakin Carrier to be free of Guns and Nos... I think i'm gonna cancel my account, I feel like CCP betrayed me by swiching that in the last second...
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Noriath That toally sucks... Now The Dominix is still just an overglorified Gank/Nos ship... Screw this, I thought this change would acctually allow you to make a pure drone ship, now you need a freakin Carrier to be free of Guns and Nos... I think i'm gonna cancel my account, I feel like CCP betrayed me by swiching that in the last second... can i have your stuff Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Noriath That toally sucks... Now The Dominix is still just an overglorified Gank/Nos ship... Screw this, I thought this change would acctually allow you to make a pure drone ship, now you need a freakin Carrier to be free of Guns and Nos... I think i'm gonna cancel my account, I feel like CCP betrayed me by swiching that in the last second... Quick, someone call the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE. ------ Campaign to remove shield hardener effects, they suck!!
Brisi	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:22:00 - [9] "OMG, my nber-Domi can no longer do 1200+ DPS, while having an insane tank, AND do EW as I please. It was nerfed to the stoneage, and I QUIT!" ... /me sighs.
Malacore	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Jim Steele Originally by: Noriath That toally sucks... Now The Dominix is still just an overglorified Gank/Nos ship... Screw this, I thought this change would acctually allow you to make a pure drone ship, now you need a freakin Carrier to be free of Guns and Nos... I think i'm gonna cancel my account, I feel like CCP betrayed me by swiching that in the last second... can i have your stuff No. I want it. And wasn't it like this on test for a few days before tranquility was patched?
Wukwuk	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:28:00 - [11] I think it's a bit of a shame as well, and I don't even fly Gallente. Making two seperate counters "number of combat drones that can be controlled" and "number of EW drones that can be controlled" would have gone a long way towards fixing the uber-domi. After all it would have to sacrifice 5 highs and a lot of skill time to be back to 10 drones. Alternatively, EW-drones could just count as 2-3 regular ones.
Noriath	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:37:00 - [12] Oh no, my uber Domi which can get its weapons shot off and then doesn't have any benefit from its oh so evil tank, doesn't do instant damage, and now can't even deal damage to any ship with the same drones, and also will totally be able to do EW and have hardeners while fitting 375 CPU worth of controll modules - and all that after L5ing a Rank 8 skill... This is total bullcrap, this was the only thing that I was really looking forward to in this patch, finally being able to acctually have a ship that is fittet for drones, and not just a ship that comes with a large dronebay and has to fit guns and nos to make it work...
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Noriath This is total bullcrap, this was the only thing that I was really looking forward to in this patch, finally being able to acctually have a ship that is fittet for drones, and not just a ship that comes with a large dronebay and has to fit guns and nos to make it work... Welcome to EvE, where the devs aran't ACTUALLY as insane as their SiSi testing would suggest! [Now with MIND BULLETS!]
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:49:00 - [14] Edited by: Nyphur on 19/12/2005 21:50:22 Originally by: Estya Nethary Seriously? Goddamn. Why the hell is that? Maybe because they didn't want you having what would be te equivalent of 30 of the old drones? And for the drone lovers, there are drone link modules to make your drone range increased. They;'re high slot and can replace your guns. on a BS, that's a bit pointless. on an Ishtar, it absolutely rules. I don't have guns any more, just drones.
Espen	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Brisi "OMG, my nber-Domi can no longer do 1200+ DPS, while having an insane tank, AND do EW as I please. It was nerfed to the stoneage, and I QUIT!" ... /me sighs. I bearly had 1200+ dps on my Megathron before the patch, that was with full rack of damage mods. Now, I'd like to know how you get that much on a domi+tank+ew.
Sentani	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:56:00 - [16] this is abit sad... i really think that the domi should be able to get 1200 dps... id goes have to sacrefice all its shipside offencive weapons.. the heavies wont hit frigs or cruisers... only BS... just pack a smartbomb if it scares you so much... ____________ The cargo bay is overloaded and cannot be made to fit Expanded Cargohold I. It is currently only capable of fitting 8772.12 units and it is currently jammed full with 9558.33 units.
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Noriath That toally sucks... Now The Dominix is still just an overglorified Gank/Nos ship... rather than being just an overpowered gankship? see why theyve done it? Where is my I-win button, CCP?
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Espen Originally by: Brisi "OMG, my nber-Domi can no longer do 1200+ DPS, while having an insane tank, AND do EW as I please. It was nerfed to the stoneage, and I QUIT!" ... /me sighs. I bearly had 1200+ dps on my Megathron before the patch, that was with full rack of damage mods. Now, I'd like to know how you get that much on a domi+tank+ew. you could on sisi. thats why it was nerfed, and why the monkey up there is whining Where is my I-win button, CCP?
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Sentani this is abit sad... i really think that the domi should be able to get 1200 dps... id goes have to sacrefice all its shipside offencive weapons.. the heavies wont hit frigs or cruisers... only BS... just pack a smartbomb if it scares you so much... I don't think you were on SISI much. I flew my Brutix against an Ishtar that had fitted 5 drone control units and was using Ogre IIs... the engagement began at range 15km, I was dead before passing 10km (MWD on). I personally used a Dominix setup based around 5 DCUs, shield tank and damage mods+coprocs in lows and dropped a blasterthron before it even had a chance to dented me. Drone control units were ludicrously overpowered on the test server - anyone that wants them in game and fitted on Dominixes did not go on the test server and fly the ships around or does not care about game balance.
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Sentani the heavies wont hit frigs or cruisers... only BS... your joking, right? heavies chew up cruisers without assistance, and kill webbed frigs with ease Where is my I-win button, CCP?
Noriath	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:11:00 - [21] So what if drones do a lot of damage? It's just not like they have no disadvantages... What are the advantages of drones, seriously? They are bugged as hell, they take forever to get to their target, their range is not so spectacular for a battleship, they can be destroyed by your enemies without even destroying your ship... Why the hell shouldn't drones do more damage then other weapons? And this entire "Oh no, a Dominix that tanks, uses EW and has uberdrones" whining is total nonsense. Where are you even gonna take the cap to tank with a ship like that? From your amazing Nosferatus? The only reason the Dominix could tank and EW before was because of the NOS...
Shadowsword	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:14:00 - [22] Edited by: Shadowsword on 19/12/2005 22:16:15 Originally by: Sentani just pack a smartbomb if it scares you so much... /me fight a super drone Dominix /me wait for every 10 drones to be in range of his named large smartbomb /me activate the smartbomb once, dealing 300 damage to the drones, while his shield is already well under 50%. /me activate his full tank, and is under 50% armor when the first cycle kick in. /me activate his smartbomb, drones are now without shields and with their armor dented. /me dies 5 seconds later Originally by: Noriath And this entire "Oh no, a Dominix that tanks, uses EW and has uberdrones" whining is total nonsense. Where are you even gonna take the cap to tank with a ship like that? From your amazing Nosferatus? Cap Injector.
Noriath	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:26:00 - [23] Edited by: Noriath on 19/12/2005 22:26:38 Have you used EW modules lately? They aren't exactly light on the cap... I don't care about having the ubership. If the drones right now with the mods are too powerful then they should reduce drone damage as a whole and allow fitting for full drones instead of simply not allowing it. What bothers me is not the fact that I can't have a ship that can instantly blow up anything - I don't even want that - I just don't want to have to rely on guns and NOS to acctually use my droneship!! And I still think the super-Dominix is a total Myth.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Estya Nethary Seriously? Goddamn. Why the hell is that? If they make drones as hard to learn as missiles, let drone users get some upgrade mods at the very least! Not until we get our missile upgrades, now please take a number and get in line. ------------------------------------ Inappropriate signature -zhuge
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Noriath Edited by: Noriath on 19/12/2005 22:26:38 Have you used EW modules lately? They aren't exactly light on the cap... I don't care about having the ubership. If the drones right now with the mods are too powerful then they should reduce drone damage as a whole and allow fitting for full drones instead of simply not allowing it. What bothers me is not the fact that I can't have a ship that can instantly blow up anything - I don't even want that - I just don't want to have to rely on guns and NOS to acctually use my droneship!! And I still think the super-Dominix is a total Myth. So basically, everyone else who doesn't fly a Domi be damned. Screw you. ~Sobe Originally by: TomB Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut? Yup.
Burrito Supreme	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:34:00 - [26] First of all, why shouldnt a drone ship be able to do good damage? Arma, Mega, Pest and even Apoc and Raven can do 1000+ DPS if fitted for it and skills are maxed. With the Domi, max skills was required to achieve damage that other BS's have the ability to inflict. Second, nobody has even noticed that all the drone mods that actually made it are crap. Extra range? yeah right like anyone needs to send out drones past 45km; it wouldnt be effective. Drone tracking mods that take up mid slots? umm, we already had a drone tracking mod, it's called different sized drones. And these are the drone mods we are supposed to be excited about? Where is the drone damage mod that was on the test server? Why shouldn't drones at least get an equivalent to a BCU or Turret damage mod? That would NOT be overpowered in light of the fact they took away the drone control units. You guys say that anyone complaining about the last minute changes should call the wambulance obviously don't use drones and never planned on using the new equipment. I agree that 5 Drone control units on a Domi was excessive, but instead of just dropping them AND the damage mods, the Dev's really should have re-balanced them (only two can be active, whatever) so that drone use would actually be worth maxing out the LEVEL 5 skills. It's a shame that EVE has turned into an elitist game where the opinions and whines (yes the very people that are saying drone users are whining whined thier arses off to get rid of the mods - ironic eh?) of several people that have biased views ruin it for people that would embrace change. Just for the record, I am NOT specialized in drones, I have Gall BS 3, and I did test out the mods on sisi, both attacking with them and defending against them. Drones are not important to me, I am just tired of seeing this two year old logic: As long as it dosn't affect me, nerf it!
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:39:00 - [27] You do know that the Domi isn't the only BS that uses drones right? And the Domi's drones are already much better. ~Sobe Originally by: TomB Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut? Yup.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:48:00 - [28] "If the drones right now with the mods are too powerful then they should reduce drone damage as a whole and allow fitting for full drones instead of simply not allowing it." Well, if you want to get specific then it's not really drones themselves that are too powerful as they currently are. The problem happens due to drone controls combined with 50% damage bonus on Dominix. Dominix with 5 drones and 50% damage boost to them is fine. Dominix with regular drones and 5x damage controls would be fine, too. But put these two together and you get omgwtfbbq sort of ship. If you want a drone nerf so you can have your pure drone based Dominix, ask for reduction of Dominix' drone damage bonus to 5% per level instead of 10% ... that could about fix it. o.O; (it'd to some extent address complaints how drone users are screwed when using ECM drones, because their combat drones do so much more damage... now they wouldn't be doing that much more damage, so loss of damage would be smaller, too ;s
Noriath	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:54:00 - [29] Edited by: Noriath on 19/12/2005 22:55:04 Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi So basically, everyone else who doesn't fly a Domi be damned. Screw you. Exactly that. Quite frankly, I don't see why not. Why should drone-users who already have to learn a crapload of skills be forced to then rely on Turrets for their damge? Why should the acctual Droneusers suffer for the sake of everyone else who doesn't bother to fit any modules on their ship, but wants all the benefit? The simple fact is that with the new skills being an expert with drones takes even longer then before, and it' ridiculous that you can't rely on drone skills alone now that there are enough to match missiles and guns...
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:56:00 - [30] Edited by: j0sephine on 19/12/2005 22:58:13 "First of all, why shouldnt a drone ship be able to do good damage? Arma, Mega, Pest and even Apoc and Raven can do 1000+ DPS if fitted for it and skills are maxed." No one objects to drone ship being able to do "good damage". What they object to, is the ability of drone ship to do 30-50% more damage than everyone else, while at the same time having full tanking or EW ability. In short, if you think torpedo Raven is overpowered in close range fights, the drone Dominix is basically that Raven with 2x damage output. Oh and no, Raven can't do 1000+ dps as you can see in that linked post. 750 is about the top of her ability, unless you start fitting her with faction loot worth billions. (neither can Tempest, for that matter)

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