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Theonlystd	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:39:00 - [1] What would you guy say it is?Cruiser,Bc, And how would you fit em ------------------------------------------- Aye Spellcheck is beyond me along with propper grammer.
FiGHT XZen	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:44:00 - [2] inty
Scots Crusader	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:45:00 - [3] An inty or a/f i would say. I rat in 0.0 in my Wolf. can tank a 3 bs spawn np probs. ----------------------------------------------- Maturity and wisdom do not occur overnight. Stupidity on the otherhand, can happen in the blink of an eye!!!!
Theonlystd	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:46:00 - [4] Edited by: Theonlystd on 20/12/2005 10:48:58 double edit post gone wrong ------------------------------------------- Aye Spellcheck is beyond me along with propper grammer.
Theonlystd	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:48:00 - [5] An inty really? I have one and it doesnt take much to blow threw the shields and such. Hows yours set up? I have a Crow but eh i personly rather not take tech 2 into 0.0 tell i got a bit more cash.T2 insurance pays crap How would a caracelspelt wrong fair? ------------------------------------------- Aye Spellcheck is beyond me along with propper grammer.
Phoenicia	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Theonlystd An inty really? I have one and it doesnt take much to blow threw the shields and such I have a Crow but eh i personly rather not take tech 2 into 0.0 tell i got a bit more cash. How would a caracelspelt wrong fair? With a speed/range setup, maybe you¦ll be able to survive. But I don¦t see you breaking a tank in a Caracal... Also slightly dependant on the rats you¦re fighting... "There is no peace, there is only BOOBIES!"
Scots Crusader	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:50:00 - [7] I went ratting with Weirda from my corp. he was in an inty(crusader) and had his armour hardly touched, while dishing out some serious damage. ----------------------------------------------- Maturity and wisdom do not occur overnight. Stupidity on the otherhand, can happen in the blink of an eye!!!!
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:55:00 - [8] to be able to kill NPC BS in inty, you would need a blasteranis, or atleast crusader *********************************************** What you gonna do, when I come for you?
Hesprax	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:11:00 - [9] Edited by: Hesprax on 20/12/2005 11:11:25 I rat very successfully in an Enyo, ironically enough more successfully after the patch than before as there is a much wider range of viable targets now. I can take the 1.25 mil Guristas Ravens easily enough using 4 ion blaster IIs and a magstab II, takes a reload though. Damage is never a problem for my tank, super high kinetic resistance really puts a damper on the bloodclaws some of the new BC's spew and the guns don't do much at all. The only spawns I've found I can't take solo are those elite cruiser spawns that seem to keep me jammed 85% of the time, I just have to bow out gracefully or ask for help on those, no big deal really. So draw your own conclusions from that about how good AF's are at 0.0 belt hunting :)
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:15:00 - [10] Assault frigate of the right type. E.g. Harpy vs. Guristas, Wolf vs. Blood raiders/sanshas -- Lyrus Associates is recruiting
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:29:00 - [11] inty... sansha rats vs crusader are pathetic... i was able to pop 4.5mil rat(pre rmr) with crusader with gatlings II and 0 dmg mods. Took a while, but for npcing i'd fit dl pulses and as Weirda suggested, 2x dmg mod and would dish out 140-180dps... HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
Celeste Storm	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Scots Crusader An inty or a/f i would say. I rat in 0.0 in my Wolf. can tank a 3 bs spawn np probs. No offence, but this (if true) is rediciulous! Even if it is an AF, it shouldnt be possible to tank 3 BS!! I'm not callin for a nerf, but this is no balance in my eyes.
Sentani	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:32:00 - [13] ares ____________ The cargo bay is overloaded and cannot be made to fit Expanded Cargohold I. It is currently only capable of fitting 8772.12 units and it is currently jammed full with 9558.33 units.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Celeste Storm Originally by: Scots Crusader An inty or a/f i would say. I rat in 0.0 in my Wolf. can tank a 3 bs spawn np probs. No offence, but this (if true) is rediciulous! Even if it is an AF, it shouldnt be possible to tank 3 BS!! I'm not callin for a nerf, but this is no balance in my eyes. you cant tank 3 BS, they just not gitting , try staying still and you'll die fast ******************************************************* What ya gonna do, when I come for you!?
Celeste Storm	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Celeste Storm Originally by: Scots Crusader An inty or a/f i would say. I rat in 0.0 in my Wolf. can tank a 3 bs spawn np probs. No offence, but this (if true) is rediciulous! Even if it is an AF, it shouldnt be possible to tank 3 BS!! I'm not callin for a nerf, but this is no balance in my eyes. you cant tank 3 BS, they just not gitting , try staying still and you'll die fast Than he shouldnt write he can tank 'em... He may evade 'em
MacDune	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:52:00 - [16] The smallest ship i am able to hunt effectivly with is a AC-Claw w. plates (200's Post RMR)....works very good and is fun against BS-spawns...only problems is the amunition, AC's chew it horribly fast...
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Theonlystd What would you guy say it is?Cruiser,Bc, An AF is great for 0.0 ratting. The only downside is the small cargo bay, not much room for loot.
Hesprax	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:01:00 - [18] The only reason battleships aren't a problem to an AF is because you can evade them, otherwise you'd die very quickly ineed. I would be interested to know how fighting Bloodraiders works out if you get nossed by a bs, would it have as much effect as a player nos I wonder ...could be intersting when you are tanking the smaller ships before getting rid of the battleships.
Scots Crusader	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Celeste Storm Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Celeste Storm Originally by: Scots Crusader An inty or a/f i would say. I rat in 0.0 in my Wolf. can tank a 3 bs spawn np probs. No offence, but this (if true) is rediciulous! Even if it is an AF, it shouldnt be possible to tank 3 BS!! I'm not callin for a nerf, but this is no balance in my eyes. you cant tank 3 BS, they just not gitting , try staying still and you'll die fast Than he shouldnt write he can tank 'em... He may evade 'em Apologies for the misuse of the word tank. I mean't i can pop a 3 bs spawn no sweat. apart from the insane amount of ammo needed. ----------------------------------------------- Maturity and wisdom do not occur overnight. Stupidity on the otherhand, can happen in the blink of an eye!!!!
Ante	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:26:00 - [20] AFs really are the bees knees of small ship NPC'ing. It's easier to take on 5 battleship rats than 2 battleship rats + 5 cruisers I find. At least in an Enyo vs Guristas anyway.
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:47:00 - [21] I use my Harpy against 0.0 Serpentis all the time. ----- ----- -----
seeyouauntie	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:28:00 - [22] I rat in 0.0 in my ishkur with no problems. ---------------------------------- I <3 mining.
Wee Dave	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:30:00 - [23] If you're veeeeeeerrrrrrryyyy patient you can kill a solo BS in a tristan. Totally not worth it, but you did ask.
Bracius	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Wee Dave If you're veeeeeeerrrrrrryyyy patient you can kill a solo BS in a tristan. Totally not worth it, but you did ask. True, but with inty you can do it semi - decently... Afs are ok. I just contributed 0 to this topic :)
Admentus Cor'vion	Posted - 2005.12.20 18:09:00 - [25] Here's the thing, If you rat in 0.0 in cheap ships, it takes a long ass time, you spend a lot of ammo (if you use ammo), and there's a chance that a frigate comes along, webs you, and kills you. And even then you spent 20 minutes killing a 1.5m isk battleship. Go mine some scordite, hehe. The whole key is transversal velocity, as long as you keep that up and close range, most NPC bs's cant hit you. I think some NPC's nos now though, eh? Tricky thing is now if you NOS NPC's, they'll eventually stop tanking. You can also jam em. Maybe NPC in a blackbird and use some strategy, and energy based weapons, jammers, nos's. Maybe then you don't have to carry a huge load of ammo, and once you get into the right orbit / jam sequence, you'll live. BB's suck for damage output. I vote a plated blaster-rax. _______________________________________________ Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve. "The end and the beginning."
Onee san	Posted - 2005.12.20 18:28:00 - [26] For the people who do it in a Wolf. Do you use arties or AC's?
Dexter Rast	Posted - 2005.12.20 19:21:00 - [27] Originally by: MacDune The smallest ship i am able to hunt effectivly with is a AC-Claw w. plates (200's Post RMR)....works very good and is fun against BS-spawns...only problems is the amunition, AC's chew it horribly fast... word.. ac claw is what i use too, although the 400mm plate version is still fine for 0.0 hunting as you still have more than enough speed to evade cruiser and bs hits, its only the frigs you have to watch out for, so pick your fights --------------------------------------------- Please use a signature that conforms with the EVE-Online forum rules for signatures - Jacques'
O'knar	Posted - 2005.12.20 20:38:00 - [28] Uber range Caracal 4tw. 5x heavy launchers AB, SB, Sensor Boost, Invuln. Field, something 2x BCS with my skills I hit at 86km and can take on 2 950k bs spawns.
Saks	Posted - 2005.12.20 21:17:00 - [29] Hey, a real helpful thing would be to list the 0.0 regions and then what rats pop in them... So anyone?
Dirtball	Posted - 2005.12.20 21:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Saks Hey, a real helpful thing would be to list the 0.0 regions and then what rats pop in them... So anyone? N-NW - serpentis NE-E - guristas SE-S - Angels SW - Sansha W - Blood Raiders
Katrine Bei	Posted - 2005.12.20 22:27:00 - [31] Edited by: Katrine Bei on 20/12/2005 22:27:36 Originally by: O'knar Uber range Caracal 4tw. 5x heavy launchers AB, SB, Sensor Boost, Invuln. Field, something 2x BCS with my skills I hit at 86km and can take on 2 950k bs spawns. 86km?Dident know heavy missils could go that far :S what skill do you have high? And what type of rats is the Harpy good against?
Flax Volcanus	Posted - 2005.12.20 22:56:00 - [32] Edited by: Flax Volcanus on 20/12/2005 22:56:59 Originally by: Katrine Bei Edited by: Katrine Bei on 20/12/2005 22:27:36 Originally by: O'knar Uber range Caracal 4tw. 5x heavy launchers AB, SB, Sensor Boost, Invuln. Field, something 2x BCS with my skills I hit at 86km and can take on 2 950k bs spawns. 86km?Dident know heavy missils could go that far :S what skill do you have high? And what type of rats is the Harpy good against? And what loads are you using? I assume mostly kinetic?
Nyxus	Posted - 2005.12.21 00:47:00 - [33] Retribution - hands down. Best small tank, speed is a nonfactor, as is the need to scramble. Being a frigate it gets MASSIVE reduction in damage from larger ships. Lot's of lows for resists/heatsinks/reppers. No need for ammo. It's inexpensive since it's largely not useful for pvp, and the lack of mids isn't a problem for PvE. At least it's good for something. Nyxus Plasmatique> "Cry 'Cartiff' and let slip the dogs of war!"
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.12.21 00:52:00 - [34] retribution is good and made even better with the new armour skills (befor i needed n-type hardeners for cpu reasons) the problem is if you get webbed you are screwed, but they can still take a decent ammount of damage. They also cost (or at leas did) 10mil less than a harpy and you dont need a gistii shield booster to make them tank well. Author of "The Apoc Guide"
turnschuh	Posted - 2005.12.21 00:52:00 - [35] Edited by: turnschuh on 21/12/2005 00:51:57 rupture is just fine once I killed an arch angel BS back in cold war with my rupture
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:25:00 - [36] I rat in a retribution. I've successfully hunted Serpentis, Sansha's and Guristas BS in it. As someone else said, keep your speed up, get in close, keep your transversal up and take it to them. Retribution works well because it doesn't require you to reload ammo and tanks like mad.
Eagle32	Posted - 2005.12.21 03:32:00 - [37] I have a similar setup in the caracal. You can hit 80km with Missile Projection, Missile Bombardment and Caldari Cruiser at 3 in a caracal. I'm usually fighting sansha's and even with the kinetic damage bonus I still do more damage per missile against a sansha bs using EM missiles. I use a mix of kinetic and em against everything else in 0.0.
Brep	Posted - 2005.12.21 03:53:00 - [38] Edited by: Brep on 21/12/2005 03:54:09 You don't even need a tank with an Enyo. They simply can't hit you. Frigs die as soon as they get in range and cruisers only do minimal damage on the rare occasions they land a hit. Killing BS is just cruel, as they don't stand a chance :) 125mm rails work well - the range gets the tacklers dead quickly and they can easily break any belt BS tank. Ions are nicer as they drop the BS way quicker and hence save ammo. They can also take whole spawns without reloading thanks to their 120 capacity. The only problem is chasing down intys. I use ions not neuts so I can fit web and std launcher to help with intys. More room for dmg mods too, so damage is roughly the same. I get into armor with ions due to my short range (more chasing), but with 125mm rails I swear I could drop the repper for something else. oh and a dude in a thorax does very well for himself out in the system I hunt in.
Theonlystd	Posted - 2005.12.21 06:13:00 - [39] Wow thanks for the tips guys Ill be fighting Sanshas so evidently thermal tank or so i was told Caracel set up looks the most promising. Price and skill wise. I see alot of you mentioned AF's but not caldari ones. Cald AF's not up to the task for some reason? ------------------------------------------- Aye Spellcheck is beyond me along with propper grammer.
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2005.12.21 08:42:00 - [40] You could very likely do alot of 0.0 spawns with tier 3 frigates.
Scots Crusader	Posted - 2005.12.21 08:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Onee san For the people who do it in a Wolf. Do you use arties or AC's? I use a/c's and a rocket up top. But know a guy who likes his t2 arties. So either or. ----------------------------------------------- Maturity and wisdom do not occur overnight. Stupidity on the otherhand, can happen in the blink of an eye!!!!
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:19:00 - [42] Well set up AFs happily take BS spawns. Dont know about after patch, but cant imagine it would be much different with some well thought out setups. Loading sig, please wait...
Crellion	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:58:00 - [43] Hrpy with blasters can kill angel BSs (certainly general, warlord and the other small value one... dont think I have tried Seraphim or officers in it). Think is this used to be tricky with all the intys so one had to go for 150IIs and lose some ability against BS (still could take down at least the two smaller value ones with reload)... since RMR less intys and more ... desys escorting BSs (desys npc are as much of a joke as desys pc as I have said before). Angels are super tanked against kinetic btw and somewhat tanked against thremal too so if Harpy can take these I have no concern about it taking gur. serps etc much easier after the RMR res. readjustments especially. As for bloods and sanshas you d need 2 EM hards or even 2 EM passives with the new skills maxed... Of course with Eagle - Cerb post RMR is almosr afk killing
Kinsy	Posted - 2005.12.21 13:20:00 - [44] Punisher setup as a mini-retribution maybe? Ratted just fine in Crusaders. And post-RMR i think i remember being webbed...once.
ZelRox	Posted - 2005.12.21 15:06:00 - [45] Small ships are too much micromanagement for me, apoc semiafk works great :) But if i would bother, id use retribution. And heavy missiles can go much further than 86km with ok skills, lvl 4 i reckon and fe ballistic controls. ---------------------- pwn pwn
O'knar	Posted - 2005.12.21 17:50:00 - [46] Edited by: O''knar on 21/12/2005 17:50:42 Originally by: Katrine Bei Edited by: Katrine Bei on 20/12/2005 22:27:36 Originally by: O'knar Uber range Caracal 4tw. 5x heavy launchers AB, SB, Sensor Boost, Invuln. Field, something 2x BCS with my skills I hit at 86km and can take on 2 950k bs spawns. 86km?Dident know heavy missils could go that far :S what skill do you have high? And what type of rats is the Harpy good against? missile projection lvl3, missile bombardment lvl4 and yeah, scourge 4tw
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.12.21 18:55:00 - [47] Pod. Been in thousands* of engagements with them, never had an NPC break my tank. *May in fact be a lie

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