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Miss Marketing	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Barbi Rella Originally by: Miss Marketing One less player who can't read / won't read / decided to ignore warnings then. Keep up the good work. You didn't read the entire thread did you? Right upto my comment, yes. Also if someone decides to quit a game after being killed once I don't really give a dam and nor should CCP pander to people who give up at the first loss. Live and learn. Don't just give up. Meh. Pathetic.
Miss Marketing	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Miss Marketing One less player who can't read / won't read / decided to ignore warnings then. Keep up the good work. Post with your main!!!!! That goes to the muppet who started this thread too!! If I was CCP I would reveal your main coz telling noobs who are still learning this game, that it is ok to take the ore your offering then killing them is lame!! My main(s): Heather Drauls & Dr Slaughter. My Alts: Bookmark, Miss Marketing, and Circe Ogygia I've got nothing to hide
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Discorporation You people got -exactly- what you bargained for QFT Miners and mission runners were warned often enough that this would happen, now they got what they want and want to give it back ? Not likely One thing I do find rather amusing though, flying though a gate in 0.0 and seeing a load of cans belonging to "The Xyz Corp [XYZ]" and wondering if they got p0wned or were bored and killed a few NPCs at the gate It's really silly to have this in 0.0, but that just my opinion. -- Mini Skill Planner
Lord Frost	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:48:00 - [34] LOL... you have to be kidding me. If luring noobs into a trap is your idea of a tactic and you consider it an accomplished ego feat, then by all means continue... but in my humble opinion, I think I feel more sorry for you than the noob. cheers to the lamers.
So'Kar	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:48:00 - [35] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr If you seriously think that it's a good idea to make newbies trust absolutely nobody and never accept any offers of friendship, then this game is going to go nowhere fast. How about it stop newbies from trusting random players from local no matter how nice they are? Someone dumb enough wouldn't be too hard to lure low sec "lets go mine valuable ore in 0.2 and make lot $$$ :)" with or without can flagging. It's quite dumb to trust random guy in local telling how there is free stuff in can when he could just gang and give stuff from can without criminal flagging, if newbies cant or dont want to learn that then there is nothing that can help them. Can flaggin wasnt ment to stop ore thieves and I bet there is still plenty around, but it was ment to give players more control over it.
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:49:00 - [36] OP is a worthless scum bag (ccp- this is fully in character RP) So hey OP, why don't you convo me. Tell me where you are and I'll grab your can. Then I'll put a couple hundred heavy missles up your ass. As to the newb that supposedly quit the game. Good riddance. Anyone that is going to quit over a ship loss is not going to like EVE in the long run anyway. Also, I don't care what someone tells you, if a message pops up and says "don't do that or you might get shot" you should probably stop and think about it for a few seconds. Is the guy over there in a big nasty f*$% me up ship? Yes? Then common sense says you should not do it. Honestly people, get a clue. There is nothing wrong with can flaging. And as a mechanic, there is nothing wrong with greifers using it to pop nubs. The only sad thing is that they actually enjoy it. And that anyone is dumb enough to fall for it. It's not a matter of trust. It's simply a matter of common sense. If some guy convo's you and says you can have his stuff, FREE. Look the gift horse in the mouth. As a newb, I got stuff free. Even from cans once in a while. But not ever when someone was around to stop me. (they couldn't before RMR, but I didn't know that at the time) But most people that want to help out a newb, they just give isk. Or trade in station. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:49:00 - [37] Originally by: Rasitiln carebears asked for the can flagging feature despite how obviously exploitable it was. Now you got it and you want to complain. Hmmmmmmm let me think how many threads have there been where these so called "carebears" have complained? oh none thats right. All I have seen it muppets trying to get attention by saying "oh look everyone I just managed to kill some noob with my alt"
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Miss Marketing Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Miss Marketing One less player who can't read / won't read / decided to ignore warnings then. Keep up the good work. Post with your main!!!!! That goes to the muppet who started this thread too!! If I was CCP I would reveal your main coz telling noobs who are still learning this game, that it is ok to take the ore your offering then killing them is lame!! My main(s): Heather Drauls & Dr Slaughter. My Alts: Bookmark, Miss Marketing, and Circe Ogygia I've got nothing to hide Why post with an alt then!
Jowen Datloran	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:52:00 - [39] Isn't it still a bannable offence to deliberatly grief other players, no matter the circumstance? Petition and let CCP draw the line. ---------------- Main as main can be
Miss Marketing	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Miss Marketing Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Miss Marketing One less player who can't read / won't read / decided to ignore warnings then. Keep up the good work. Post with your main!!!!! That goes to the muppet who started this thread too!! If I was CCP I would reveal your main coz telling noobs who are still learning this game, that it is ok to take the ore your offering then killing them is lame!! My main(s): Heather Drauls & Dr Slaughter. My Alts: Bookmark, Miss Marketing, and Circe Ogygia I've got nothing to hide Why post with an alt then! Because my s0dd1n9 browser cached the cookie
BurnHard	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Miss Marketing Originally by: Barbi Rella Originally by: Miss Marketing One less player who can't read / won't read / decided to ignore warnings then. Keep up the good work. You didn't read the entire thread did you? Right upto my comment, yes. Also if someone decides to quit a game after being killed once I don't really give a dam and nor should CCP pander to people who give up at the first loss. Live and learn. Don't just give up. Meh. Pathetic. You don't speak as someone capable of empathy so I'm pretty glad you aren't involved in any New Player Experience initiatives. If Eve were populated only by people like you, it would be a kind of Virtual Hell. Your problem is you think you are tough because you can "take the pain" (whatever that is). You probably prefer to try and give it out though, but only to carefully chosen targets, such as new players, woodland animals and children. My advice to you and people like you: step away from the Mirror and try looking out of the Station Window.
Jaketh Ivanes	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Discorporation You people got -exactly- what you bargained for QFT Miners and mission runners were warned often enough that this would happen, now they got what they want and want to give it back ? Not likely One thing I do find rather amusing though, flying though a gate in 0.0 and seeing a load of cans belonging to "The Xyz Corp [XYZ]" and wondering if they got p0wned or were bored and killed a few NPCs at the gate It's really silly to have this in 0.0, but that just my opinion. If you read the original post, you see that its actually the griefer/thief/pain in the ass that want the system removed. I have yet to see anyone else wanting the system removed.
Karash Amerius	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:53:00 - [43] Let the carebears suffer...they been asking for this since 2002. Seriously.
Sybylle	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:54:00 - [44] Pff...I was waiting for such lame "exploit", but I didn't imagine it would take so long until some ego-scum post a thread on this feature. Can flagging works The idea is brilliant, you are not. Feeling great to take over an unarmed noob? This gives you a possible dumb@ss award... Site ICE is coming to EveÖ since 391520 AD Image oversized, please take a look at the forum rules - Laqum
DarK	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:57:00 - [45] The OP has performed community service, and should be rewarded. Retarded noobs turn usually stay retarded noobs, ultimately adding nothing but lag to the game and clutter to the forums.
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:58:00 - [46] It's not the "carebears" that are suffering, I don't give a rats ass about that. I care about the newbies getting their ships blown up, cause they trust too much, and don't know the mechanics well enough. The carebears that wanted this aren't gonna be fooled by it, now are they. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:59:00 - [47] Originally by: DarK The OP has performed community service, and should be rewarded. Retarded noobs turn usually stay retarded noobs, ultimately adding nothing but lag to the game and clutter to the forums. You seem to be evidence of that
Entreri Finwe	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:00:00 - [48] All I see is that Chimeny Christmas decided to be an ass and blew up a n00b...that's not a greif feature, that's a greif action... ---
BurnHard	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:01:00 - [49] Originally by: DarK Retarded noobs turn usually stay retarded noobs, ultimately adding nothing but lag to the game and clutter to the forums. You have absolutely NO EVIDENCE for this whatsoever. wtf is it people like you speak in FALSE generalisations to try and justify your extreme and extremely stupid opinions?
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Gariuys It's not the "carebears" that are suffering, I don't give a rats ass about that. I care about the newbies getting their ships blown up, cause they trust too much, and don't know the mechanics well enough. The carebears that wanted this aren't gonna be fooled by it, now are they. He says it there, its not the carebears that are complaining its not the noobs that are complaining. Bottom line the OP purposely tricked someone who didnt know any better and is still learning this game, I bet most of you here would have felt the same if someone was gonna help you then killed you when you were a noob.
Brastagi	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:04:00 - [51] Edited by: Brastagi on 20/12/2005 16:04:28 Originally by: DarK The OP has performed community service, and should be rewarded. Retarded noobs turn usually stay retarded noobs, ultimately adding nothing but lag to the game and clutter to the forums. Blowing up Macros IS community service, NOT noobs. --------- Watch me gravitate Ha ha ha ha ha....
Spokie	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:04:00 - [52] Originally by: DarK The OP has performed community service, and should be rewarded. Retarded noobs turn usually stay retarded noobs, ultimately adding nothing but lag to the game and clutter to the forums. What a ****head!
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:05:00 - [53] Originally by: DarK The OP has performed community service, and should be rewarded. Retarded noobs turn usually stay retarded noobs, ultimately adding nothing but lag to the game and clutter to the forums. Yeah, cause it didn't took you weeks to get to grips with all the complex rules and features of EVE.... just like everybody else. You in your infinite wisdom would have seen right through such obvious traps to kill you as giving away some left over ore... ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:06:00 - [54] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/12/2005 16:05:56 LOL. The OP has an attention deficiency syndrome. Can we all stop posting so he can no longer get kicks for his action? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Andrymeda	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Chimeny Christmas The latest feature that carebears have whined for is can flagging. Not thinking through the implications of can flagging it was hailed as "the death of ore theft" and "awesome" (quoted from Jita local a few days prior to RMR) Now that its hear the doomsday prophets were right - its an utter fiasco. Newbies everywhere are being lured into can flagging by scumbags like myself and promtly have their ship destroyed. A showcase example; meet Promoter! After a brief talk in local, his greedy little fingers come reeching for my ore can. Here we can see Promoter as our case example newbie, this story is happening ALL OVER the universe as we speak. After he gets flagged, death follows swift. Shortly after this he convo'd me briefly explaining that he's uninstalling EVE and going back to WoW since he didn't expect to be griefed by a dumb feature made by CCP. So yes, can flagging, what a briliant idea. Seems to me CCP was not the one who destroyed his ship and caused him to leave the game (if that really happened). Ore thieving is still extant pre- and post-RMR. Criminal flagging is and was a serious design omission for years! If you fired on an ore thief, you got Concordokken. Not exactly justice as the thief got away scot-free for thieving. If anything, the long delay in implementing this omission *caused* the increase in ore thieving. Ore thieves exploited a design hole, knowing there was no legal repercussions for being a thief. Those days are over. Ore thieves will still be around and will probably still steal ore. The difference now is they have to be ready to deal with the consequences as Concord will not look the other way anymore. Seems the only whining is from ore thieves who can no longer get away with stealing scot-free. You have to assume the risks of stealing ore from cans now. Does not mean you can't do it, you can. <Dirty Harry mode> Do you feel lucky, punk? </Dirty Harry mode>
Ayla Vanir	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:09:00 - [56] Originally by: Chimeny Christmas So yes, can flagging, what a briliant idea. I agree! Here's why: We have on one hand the kind of player that would use the can-flagging mechanic to kill newbs. On the other hand, we have the newb player that would steal loot/ore (ignorant of the new flagging rules). This new player is likely the kind of player that would 'grow up' and start killing newbs by clever management of the flagging rules. Basically, we have the figurative parents of an undesirable player species eating their own young. Brilliant! CCP rocks!
Kaaii	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:12:00 - [57] Its just a learning curve. Right now people are greifing, and getting griefed by the mechanics of the game. In time this will dwindle down to a scant few, with no friends to warn them. As the (gene)pool fills the shallow end gets deeper... "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.."
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:15:00 - [58] I hate to say "I told you so", but.. ..hang on, no I don't. I am loving every damn minute of this. Everything is unfolding exactly as I warned, including the whining about it. Vindicated! ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Right Eyeighty	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:21:00 - [59] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Chimeny Christmas Shortly after this he convo'd me briefly explaining that he's uninstalling EVE and going back to WoW since he didn't expect to be griefed by a dumb feature made by CCP. I don't see the problem. - smart players know about it, actually read the popup they are given, and/or learn fast - stupid players get ganked and go back to WoW - less stupid players means less crowd in core systems, which means less lag Way I see it, it's a win/win situation. This post reminds me of the day I played Lineage 2 before. They have Player Killing noobs in starter town. To be honest, players who doesn't want a challenge are left out in this game. Harsh lesson that has to be learned. ----------------------------- And now a word from my sponsor
Jowen Datloran	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:22:00 - [60] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 20/12/2005 16:23:53 Originally by: Avon I hate to say "I told you so", but.. ..hang on, no I don't. I am loving every damn minute of this. Everything is unfolding exactly as I warned, including the whining about it. Vindicated! Didn't you expect the people being victims of this bait luring to whine? Because I haven't seen any of those. Maybe they don't know their way to the forums or they're not really bothered by losing their ships. What I do see is a lot of peeps trying to talk for others than themselves in this thread, you not inlcuded Avon. ---------------- Main as main can be

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