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Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Alex Harumichi I don't see the problem. - smart players know about it, actually read the popup they are given, and/or learn fast - stupid players get ganked and go back to WoW Hahahahaha... if EvE was in French, and if you are also new, I think you may be one of the stupid players at the beginning. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:23:00 - [62] Originally by: Avon I hate to say "I told you so", but.. ..hang on, no I don't. I am loving every damn minute of this. Everything is unfolding exactly as I warned, including the whining about it. Vindicated! Which bit cant you read no one is moaning about the ******* system!!!
DONOTDELETEMAIL	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:24:00 - [63] Edited by: DONOTDELETEMAIL on 20/12/2005 16:24:02 Originally by: Ayla Vanir Originally by: Chimeny Christmas So yes, can flagging, what a briliant idea. Basically, we have the figurative parents of an undesirable player species eating their own young. Brilliant! CCP rocks! That gave me a good laugh :) Thanks :) And on people abusing features to grief others.. Well. It's you abusing the feature, so who's the wad then?
Tiny Carlos	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Jowen Datloran Originally by: Avon I hate to say "I told you so", but.. ..hang on, no I don't. I am loving every damn minute of this. Everything is unfolding exactly as I warned, including the whining about it. Vindicated! Didn't you expect the people being victims of this bait luring to whine? Because I haven't seen any of those. Maybe they don't know their way to the forums or they're not really bothered by losing their ships. I see a lot of peeps trying to talk for others than themselves in this thread. Players who fall for this are likely to be playing they're first (and only) day of Eve, it takes a while to find the right place to whine.
Woddawick	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:25:00 - [65] Originally by: Miss Marketing Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Miss Marketing One less player who can't read / won't read / decided to ignore warnings then. Keep up the good work. Post with your main!!!!! That goes to the muppet who started this thread too!! If I was CCP I would reveal your main coz telling noobs who are still learning this game, that it is ok to take the ore your offering then killing them is lame!! My main(s): Heather Drauls & Dr Slaughter. My Alts: Bookmark, Miss Marketing, and Circe Ogygia I've got nothing to hide You might not think so but although it didn't take any balls to beat up on some poor nub I'll concede that it takes balls to post about the fact on public forums.
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:26:00 - [66] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 20/12/2005 16:28:04 Originally by: Right Eyeighty This post reminds me of the day I played Lineage 2 before. They have Player Killing noobs in starter town. To be honest, players who doesn't want a challenge are left out in this game. Harsh lesson that has to be learned. Actually, I don't really approve of griefing newbies with this, it's a bit low. But ffs, they did get a plain-English popup saying what's going on. They chose to ignore it, and totally trust another unknown player. If they continue doing that, there are a ton of other things that will also bite them in this game. Losing a hauler is peanuts, compared. I don't want to see this game made into Carebear Online, and I'm mostly a "carebear". Using own brains and actually reading game warnings 4tw.
Ayla Vanir	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:26:00 - [67] Originally by: Chimeny Christmas Shortly after this he convo'd me briefly explaining that he's uninstalling EVE and going back to WoW since he didn't expect to be griefed by a dumb feature made by CCP. Oops, I have to amend my last post above... The OP's first image link was broken. Now, after seeing the screenshot, it shows his chat - where he was offering the ore to anyone. No, it's not the can-flagging system that is the cause here. The ganked player just misinterpreted the situation - he was ganked by a player, not a game mechanic.
sableye	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:26:00 - [68] simple soloution really stop people in stater corps from taking from any can they not ganged with this means ore thieves can no longer hide in stater corps and also noobs won;t get suckered, once a player is in a player corp and he gets suckered well the corp he is in will hopefully help him get back on his feet ORC is recruiting players now !!
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:26:00 - [69] How does it take balls to post with an alt?
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:27:00 - [70] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire [ if EvE was in French, and if you are also new, I think you may be one of the stupid players at the beginning. If they are playing a strongly text-oriented online game and don't understand the language, they will be having a lot of other problems, too. This is actually the least of their problems.
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:27:00 - [71] Edited by: Avon on 20/12/2005 16:27:05 Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Avon I hate to say "I told you so", but.. ..hang on, no I don't. I am loving every damn minute of this. Everything is unfolding exactly as I warned, including the whining about it. Vindicated! Which bit cant you read no one is moaning about the ******* system!!! I beg to differ. Read the subject, calm down, and ask someone nicely if they will put your rattle back in your pram for you. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:30:00 - [72] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 20/12/2005 16:30:55 Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 20/12/2005 16:27:05 Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Avon I hate to say "I told you so", but.. ..hang on, no I don't. I am loving every damn minute of this. Everything is unfolding exactly as I warned, including the whining about it. Vindicated! Which bit cant you read no one is moaning about the ******* system!!! I beg to differ. Read the subject, calm down, and ask someone nicely if they will put your rattle back in your pram for you. No one is complaning about the can theft system, everyone likes it. Now if you didnt have to be right in every single thread you post in maybe it would be possible to have a sensible conversation. P.S. thought u were quitting coz CCP over stepped the mark by changing a corps name and you couldnt stand that?
DarK	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:31:00 - [73] So easy to outrage people, I win.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:33:00 - [74] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/12/2005 16:35:43 Originally by: Alex Harumichi If they are playing a strongly text-oriented online game and don't understand the language, they will be having a lot of other problems, too. This is actually the least of their problems. Newbs dont need to be ganked on day one, then can be ganked after some time. The only difference is, sometimes one does not need to learn a language to play and enjoy the game. Well, I have seen many console games where I do find the puzzle, etc. entertaining and they are definitely in 日本語 and the interesting part is, I do not need to understand the language to have fun in them. OK, last post for me in this sick thread. Bye. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:35:00 - [75] Edited by: Avon on 20/12/2005 16:36:47 Originally by: Traxio Nacho I beg to differ. Read the subject, calm down, and ask someone nicely if they will put your rattle back in your pram for you. No one is complaning about the can theft system, everyone likes it. Now if you didnt have to be right in every single thread you post in maybe it would be possible to have a sensible conversation. P.S. thought u were quitting coz CCP over stepped the mark by changing a corps name and you couldnt stand that? Let me address your second point first. If you don't learn how to restrain yourself on the forums I am sure you will be leaving them before me. Secondly, my post makes no value judgement about the flagging system, nor about people moaning about the system per se. It does refer to the whining about the way it would be used, and that is what we are seeing in this thread, and the many others like it. I simply stated that the situation now is exactly as I foretold. That isn't a point for debate, it is a matter of record. As for me always being right, well ... sorry if that bothers you. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Summersnow	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:37:00 - [76] Here we go, all the WoW bashing threads out there justifying there claim to eves greatness because it has a more MATURE playerbase... Then some immature moron decides to exploit a perfectly good feature to grief newbs just so he can come here and post how horrible ccp must be for implementing something he obviously didn't want ( interfeering with yer macro mining is it? ). Whats even more hilarious is the number of blind sheep that follow in "ohh, its too bad they can't read, good ridance" because they can't read well enough themselves to realize the newbs can read just fine, only there reading and trusting the immature moron because, da-ding, they've been told how mature the eve playerbase is... Buy a clew folks, can flagging might needa little tweaking but the concept is fine, the only problem ehre is the op's immaturity level.
Jowen Datloran	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:40:00 - [77] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 20/12/2005 16:41:16 Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 20/12/2005 Let me address your second point first. If you don't learn how to restrain yourself on the forums I am sure you will be leaving them before me. Secondly, my post makes no value judgement about the flagging system, nor about people moaning about the system per se. It does refer to the whining about the way it would be used, and that is what we are seeing in this thread, and the many others like it. I simply stated that the situation now is exactly as I foretold. That isn't a point for debate, it is a matter of record. As for me always being right, well ... sorry if that bothers you. Now you are talking on other peoples behalf. Until I see some serious whining in corp channel I won't agree to you being right. For now it seems more like you bluffing. ---------------- Main as main can be
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:41:00 - [78] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 20/12/2005 16:42:11 Avon, you said you predicted that people would be whining about the new can flagging system. I was merely pointing out that no one had/has upto this point whined, moaned or complained about it as yet. Only that the OP used this to kill some new player to Eve, now I cant imagine in your first couple of days playing this game you would have liked being offered something and then killed when taking it. also what do you mean restrain myself I havent swore or done anything that would require restraining.
Darwinia	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:44:00 - [79] I played Everquest waaay back.. One of the best tricks you could play on beggars was: "Target me and type /d to activate donation mode." Suffice it to say, /d was a shortcut for /duel
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:47:00 - [80] I propose that some of the more enlightened EVE-go'ers go give Chimeny a long, well-wrought lessen in Karma. I'd join in myself, but I'm still stuck in frigates with this character.
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:48:00 - [81] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 20/12/2005 16:42:11 Avon, you said you predicted that people would be whining about the new can flagging system. I was merely pointing out that no one had/has upto this point whined, moaned or complained about it as yet. Only that the OP used this to kill some new player to Eve, now I cant imagine in your first couple of days playing this game you would have liked being offered something and then killed when taking it. also what do you mean restrain myself I havent swore or done anything that would require restraining. You haven't sworn? Really? Also, my post was a perfectly accurate statement. I invite you to go over my previous threads on this subject and read exactly what sort of whining I predicted. You are a strange one. Didn't swear indeed! lmao. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
BurnHard	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:48:00 - [82] Originally by: Avon Secondly, my post makes no value judgement about the flagging system, nor about people moaning about the system per se. It does refer to the whining about the way it would be used, and that is what we are seeing in this thread, and the many others like it. I simply stated that the situation now is exactly as I foretold. That isn't a point for debate, it is a matter of record. It isn't what you say, it's the fact you say it like you think of yourself as some kind of ******* messiah, when in fact your "amazing prediction" is probably true of 99% of nerfs/changes that CCP have made in the game... and here's another prediction... will make in the game in future. I can reliably predict that you will still be unbelievably arrogant this time tommorrow.
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:52:00 - [83] Edited by: Avon on 20/12/2005 16:55:07 Originally by: BurnHard Originally by: Avon Secondly, my post makes no value judgement about the flagging system, nor about people moaning about the system per se. It does refer to the whining about the way it would be used, and that is what we are seeing in this thread, and the many others like it. I simply stated that the situation now is exactly as I foretold. That isn't a point for debate, it is a matter of record. It isn't what you say, it's the fact you say it like you think of yourself as some kind of ******* messiah, when in fact your "amazing prediction" is probably true of 99% of nerfs/changes that CCP have made in the game... and here's another prediction... will make in the game in future. I can reliably predict that you will still be unbelievably arrogant this time tommorrow. Post in ignorance, look like a fool BurnHard. Read the threads in question, seriously. When I argued against the flagging system, stating it would be used in exactly this way, my points were dismissed either because I was a pirate, or I was seen as defending ore thieves. Oh, and I will be seen as being this arrogant tomorrow, without question. That doesn't mean I'm wrong though, does it. I like to think of it as self confident and self assured - generally people use the term "arrogant" in a derogatory way out of frustration and jealousy. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:53:00 - [84] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 20/12/2005 16:53:56 Didn't know pressing the star key 7 times was swearing
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:59:00 - [85] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 20/12/2005 16:53:56 Didn't know pressing the star key 7 times was swearing We both know that isn't what you did, as can be clearly seen by quoting the post in which I quoted you. You see, editing your post afterwards was futile. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:05:00 - [86] What was this thread even about again? Also I've said myself (not in a thread) I expected alot of people to be coming on asking why they have been blown up when taking there ore back off someone. But I was expecting to see quite afew threads.
Moghydin	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:06:00 - [87] Can flagging is a great feature. Surely it will be abused as any other game feature. As to the OP, what you done was low and it's called griefing. It doesn't change the fact that the victim was plain stupid. There was the message clearly stating that he can be attacked freely as a thief. Same goes for escrow scams too, use your brain, or at least some reading comprehension, and it'll never happen to you -> problem solved.
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:13:00 - [88] I never argued it was bad, I just warned of the consequences, and this was well before it was announced as a feature. People kept begging for it to be put in to the game, and myself and others warned how it would be used. That is all. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Thomus	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:20:00 - [89] IBTL - this thread is full of flaming and arguing. ---------------- Tom
Ardipithecus Ramidus	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:22:00 - [90] Why is it that on so many of these threads I expect to see a post like saying "That depends on what the definition of 'is' is." My worthless observation is that a friend of mine activated his trial account on patch day, and has spent his days since picking up other people's loot in .1 and .2 systems in an incursus without a single problem from anyone. Guy has over 5 mill ISK outstanding on the market at any one time and the stuff sells. Somehow the can flagging system doesn't keep a noob from stealing loot in some of the most dangerous systems while running courier missions through them. I watched him extort ammo from another noob who took some ammo from a can he'd jettisoned, though, which I found very funny. He wasn't able to finish training warp jamming before the other guy came back. Amazing what noobs with Gallante Frig 2 and three Civilian guns can accomplish. Thing of it is, if he gets killed he doesn't care. Not one whit. He knows he's gonna get ganked, but where's the real risk? Is he going to accept a can from someone right in front of them? Yes, but he knows he'd better be quick on the warp out. There's a certain type that prospers in Eve. Usually not the credulous type. Griefers baiting with new stuff isn't going to break the game.

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