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Miss Marketing
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Posted - 2005.12.20 17:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Woddawick
Originally by: Miss Marketing
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Miss Marketing
One less player who can't read / won't read / decided to ignore warnings then.
Keep up the good work. 
Post with your main!!!!!
That goes to the muppet who started this thread too!!
If I was CCP I would reveal your main coz telling noobs who are still learning this game, that it is ok to take the ore your offering then killing them is lame!!
My main(s): Heather Drauls & Dr Slaughter. My Alts: Bookmark, Miss Marketing, and Circe Ogygia
I've got nothing to hide
You might not think so but although it didn't take any balls to beat up on some poor nub I'll concede that it takes balls to post about the fact on public forums.
(still haven't logged out - so this is an alt)
I think it's sad this sorry story got posted.
I think it's no loss to the game that someone quit after one ship loss.
I agree about it not taking any balls at all to blow a defensless person up.
I don't really care what people post.
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Longasc
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Posted - 2005.12.20 17:33:00 -
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People drop "presents" for first time playery in Chaven, Kisogo and elsewhere...
They leave station, directly fly towards a can, pick it up.
HAHA, pwned noob! Harpy and Zealot pwn a noob, incredible.
---> NBSI Alliance. But not only them.
"EVE is well known for its mature community"
 ... Yarr? 
This is just sad! 
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Savyor
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Posted - 2005.12.20 17:55:00 -
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I'm sure the OP read all the char info's in local before choosing the newest noob victim too. Yea, yea, you were just doing it to prove a point, right? Spare me! 
You sir are an idiot and are the reason why CCP needs to come up with some sort of "solution" to these problems. Any respectable player would not prey on someone "in training" and wouldn't try a stunt like this. Yes, this same situation could happen to a more experienced player, in low(er) sec. systems, but anyone of that calibre that would fall for this trap should know better, or is prepared to accept the consequences.
Picking on a newb in a starter system is like child abuse...they aren't able to defend themselves. In most MMORPG's there are peeps that actually help newbs by giving them stuff while they are in the starter areas...so when they come to try Eve, most wouldn't expect to get ganked by someone offering to give them something for free. I personally don't see how it could be fun without challenge.
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Spike Larosse
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Posted - 2005.12.20 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Spike Larosse on 20/12/2005 17:59:25
Well, why not solving the problem?
Add an option to drop "neutral" cans, and also an option to make loot cans that are yours already neutral. THen, if opening a non-neutral can, add a warning that _clearly_ states that this is a fishy situation, since it can be done without flagging. Now, still proceeding with opening the can having that explained, you should pretty much suit yourself, noob or not.
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Terrak2
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Posted - 2005.12.20 17:59:00 -
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If someone's stupid enough to pick up the can, it's their problem. If they don't know about it, they'll soon learn and if they can't take it are they really needed in this game?
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Elric Adder
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Chimeny Christmas
The latest feature that carebears have whined for is can flagging. Not thinking through the implications of can flagging it was hailed as "the death of ore theft" and "awesome" (quoted from Jita local a few days prior to RMR)
Now that its hear the doomsday prophets were right - its an utter fiasco. Newbies everywhere are being lured into can flagging by scumbags like myself and promtly have their ship destroyed.
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So yes, can flagging, what a briliant idea.
The mechanic is fine but when you purposely lead a newb into a trap and then blame the system that's an obvious ploy to get the system removed for your own gain.
YouÆre, or more likely your main is, probably a thief that now finds himself on the wrong side of the law (read game mechanics) for the first time.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:07:00 -
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It was the same when people used to sit in yulai and target you hoping you would fire back, it was the same when people used to rename their cans to your character name and fire at those cans so you would see an aggression message with your name on it and think you could fire back.
People need educating is all.
Can flagging has been in the works for ages and is welcome despite its abuse by some. People will learn eventually the hard or the easy way how this aggression system works and adapt as ever.
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Noveron
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Noveron on 20/12/2005 18:12:02
Originally by: Chimeny Christmas
The latest feature that carebears have whined for is can flagging. Not thinking through the implications of can flagging it was hailed as "the death of ore theft" and "awesome" (quoted from Jita local a few days prior to RMR)
Now that its hear the doomsday prophets were right - its an utter fiasco. Newbies everywhere are being lured into can flagging by scumbags like myself and promtly have their ship destroyed.
A showcase example; meet Promoter! After a brief talk in local, his greedy little fingers come reeching for my ore can. Here we can see Promoter as our case example newbie, this story is happening ALL OVER the universe as we speak.
After he gets flagged, death follows swift.
Shortly after this he convo'd me briefly explaining that he's uninstalling EVE and going back to WoW since he didn't expect to be griefed by a dumb feature made by CCP.
So yes, can flagging, what a briliant idea.
Well, there are many points of view.. the fact that you can use this system to attack, lure someone into a trap or even to grief someone who does not read the warnings does not mean it is a bad system..
It just means that now if you take from a can that it is not yours.. consequences can happen.
So.. ok, you're a griefer, and you can now kill unaware people with this system. But still, it is a good system to be able to kill ore thiefs or make them refrain from stealing your ore.
And.. probably you enjoyed doing that, but its a despicable act anyways, calling this system a mistake is too much for you to assume based on what you are saying to prove it.
Cya.
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Demon Johnson
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:10:00 -
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IMHO can flagging is great! There are many ways for a noob to get busted by someone who knows the game mechanics better than him. But this will only happen once. Everyone who looses his ship once and leaves eve because of it would have done it nethertheless after the stumbled over another bug/problem/scam/lag-issue.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:10:00 -
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tbh, i and many others, saw thos comingmiles away 
but the "orethiefw" Whaaah-bears got theyr way, ofcorse not coonsidering the "downside".
Short sighted 
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:14:00 -
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Nothing wrong with the feature, massive issues with the ******* poster.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Elric Adder
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
I never argued it was bad, I just warned of the consequences, and this was well before it was announced as a feature.
People kept begging for it to be put in to the game, and myself and others warned how it would be used.
That is all.
And most that asked for this KNEW that this possibility would arise. What you (and others that argued from this pov) failed to take into account was the rampant thieving going on.
That the OP proved that a newb could be tricked and ganked is irrelevant. It was a known factor but not sufficient to counter the good that can flagging can do. Read the posts on anti-macro work being done. Ask any mission runner how often their loot gets stolen now. Showing only one side of an argument will convince NO ONE that can flagging is bad. Only that people of low moral character can take advantage of those that have no time in the game and no experience with the greater world (and its intricacies) which is EVE.
So yes, you were right. All it took was an alt and no morals to prove you right. Congrats.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:31:00 -
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Killing that newb before he trained reading & comprehension lvl1 is really lame tbh
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Zanthe
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:32:00 -
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Not that I agree with the actions of the players, twisting the can loot flagging. I don't see it as a problem.
1) Your not making much isk by tricking some hapless noob in a reaper to loot your can.
2) Any player that blindly trusts random people, gets what he/she deserves.
You can't blame a game mechanic for people lacking commonsense.
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Longasc
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Longasc on 20/12/2005 18:36:42
CCP must do something.
These griefers do not make Newbieslearn the hard way, they are shooting their potential customers. And they are doing nothing by any means acceptable, they are also exploiting the system to the worst extent.
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Elric Adder
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:39:00 -
[106]
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Killing that newb before he trained reading & comprehension lvl1 is really lame tbh
Yep, comprehending that the statement "anyone need some free ore? ... I got 80k of scordite here I don't need" (as seen typed in local from this screenshot) actually means "take that scordite and I'm going to shoot you even though I offered it freely" is definately a lvl 1 skill, maybe even lvl 2.
Good mechanics being missused by bad people is nothing new to EVE ... except to a NEW PLAYER maybe.
WTS: a clue.
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Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:43:00 -
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I'd have to say, yes the flagging seems to be working as intended, people were saying people would use this maliciously and they were right, but still I think the flagging is a good idea.
1. It discourages theft
2. Anyone with a shred of intelligence and English comprehension can see the warning and heed it or not as they choose, up to and including checking the "stop giving me good advice" box
The only real problem is that the whole flagging mechanism is a bit buggy still in that it doesn't seem to recognize who is participating on what side of a flag gang-wise, at least to read various threads.
The dangling of cans in front of unwary noobs certainly isn't a bragging matter, if I did this for chuckles I probably wouldn't be posting on the boards looking for reputation from it ;) Top Poster basically lied to a noob then shot him, here's a cookie
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
If you seriously think that it's a good idea to make newbies trust absolutely nobody and never accept any offers of friendship, then this game is going to go nowhere fast.
Actually yeah it is because Eve is a hard universe. Hes better off loosing an indy now then he is watching the GHSC run with his corp's multibillion isk assets.
Trust is bad.
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Ben Derindar
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
As for me always being right, well ... sorry if that bothers you.
Hehe, reminds me of a quote from Blake's 7:
Someone: Avon, don't you get tired of being right all the time?
Avon: No, but I do get tired of you being wrong all the time. 
/Ben
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Elric Adder
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zanthe
Not that I agree with the actions of the players, twisting the can loot flagging. I don't see it as a problem.
1) Your not making much isk by tricking some hapless noob in a reaper to loot your can.
2) Any player that blindly trusts random people, gets what he/she deserves.
You can't blame a game mechanic for people lacking commonsense.
Agreed, and if this post was about educating the newbs on the new can flagging system then I'd be behind you 100%.
Problem is that the OP posted this as a "lesson" on why can flagging ITS SELF is bad which is incorrect. He took advantage of a trusting newb which has NOTHING to do with the can flagging system other than it gave him the ability to be a greifer.
It's unfortunate that the newb never got a chance to learn more of the game and that trusting everyone is a bad idea. Even when they are re-assured like was the case of the OP and his interaction with the newb. But that is EVE; it's harsh but still the best MMO game, bar none.
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Noveron
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Posted - 2005.12.20 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zanthe
Not that I agree with the actions of the players, twisting the can loot flagging. I don't see it as a problem.
1) Your not making much isk by tricking some hapless noob in a reaper to loot your can.
2) Any player that blindly trusts random people, gets what he/she deserves.
You can't blame a game mechanic for people lacking commonsense.
1) Yeap, he is a worthless griefer.
2) Well, there's something called good will... theres nothing wrong with these people.. there is something very WRONG on griefers taking advantage of these kind of people!!
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Feyd Darkholme
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Posted - 2005.12.20 19:16:00 -
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OK you know what? For the longest time I was a proponent of can flagging, way before they said they were implimenting it. Thieves of all sorts just had no accountability and victims had no viable recourse. Now they do, and I'm happy about it. I'll happily take the good with the bad in this case. Griefers are still the lowest form of life in any MMOG, but TBH if you're stupid enough to not heed the very obvious pop-up warning, no matter how much of a noob you are to EVE, you deserve to learn your lesson. They aren't going to take this feature away no matter how much people use it to grief, so stop trying... The warnings are there for people to see, in a very obvious pop-up warning, that and perhaps one object lesson are plenty to learn from... Anyways, my 2 isk and now I'll go back and read the thread.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.12.20 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Yes, he can read. Specifically, he can read Chimeny Christmas's friendly chat telling him not to worry about that warning, it's automatic whether Chimeny wants him to have the stuff or not, but since he DOES want him to have the stuff, there's no reason to worry.
He'll learn 2 lessons of eve for the price of one. I'd say that's a bargain.
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2005.12.20 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Chimeny Christmas
Shortly after this he convo'd me briefly explaining that he's uninstalling EVE and going back to WoW since he didn't expect to be griefed by a dumb feature made by CCP.
If a new player can't even stomach the loss of a lower tier industrial, he should be seriously thinking of whether the game is right for him. I'm not syaing that what you do is right, but if people quit over something like this, eve is clearly not their game.
New player who's flying what, an Ibis or a Velator? Do you really understand that a genuinely new player, who has only him or herself, will take a week or more to acquire an indy?
That's a lot of work to lose to a ganking butthole. Wouldn't surprise me if he did quit.
Seems to me Eve is getting a little player-stagnant - same combination of PvP-griefers complaining, same complaints by the 'new' folks.
That's a shame.
CB
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.20 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Elric Adder
And most that asked for this KNEW that this possibility would arise. What you (and others that argued from this pov) failed to take into account was the rampant thieving going on.
Except thieving was never "rampant", and was always the fault of the miner.
The tools were there to mine in 100% safety, but that wasn't good enough for them - they didn't want to compromise earning potential just because someone might rob them.
As it stands miners are still unlikely to use flagging to combat theft.
They can carry less drones than before, and are unlikely to have someone standing guard who could be mining.
Flagging does little to help those who called for it, and opens doors for the types of people that miners dislike the most.
Pandora's box is open, enjoy.
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Nauta Starbane
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Posted - 2005.12.20 20:02:00 -
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Not to brag, but I'm the only person who saw this as being significant enough to write a play about it... three months ago.
Its close enough to reality, I'm considering running for Official Prophet of New Eden.
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2005.12.20 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 20/12/2005 20:28:44
I'm still waiting for the first official whine from somebody who as actually been a "victim" of this new feature.
So far none, but peeps here seems to think there have been hundreds and are arguing away just for fun.
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Right Eyeighty
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Posted - 2005.12.20 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 20/12/2005 20:28:44
I'm still waiting for the first official whine from somebody who as actually been a "victim" of this new feature.
So far none, but peeps here seems to think there have been hundreds and are arguing away just for fun.
I guess the problem with new players are, mostly they don't bother to check the forum. Even to whine...
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DevilFox
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Posted - 2005.12.20 20:34:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Noveron
Originally by: Zanthe
Not that I agree with the actions of the players, twisting the can loot flagging. I don't see it as a problem.
1) Your not making much isk by tricking some hapless noob in a reaper to loot your can.
2) Any player that blindly trusts random people, gets what he/she deserves.
You can't blame a game mechanic for people lacking commonsense.
1) Yeap, he is a worthless griefer.
2) Well, there's something called good will... theres nothing wrong with these people.. there is something very WRONG on griefers taking advantage of these kind of people!!
I just think that people are just too simple minded. When a new option come sout in the game people are going to abuse it, its the way players are in any game.
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.12.20 20:39:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Karash Amerius
Let the carebears suffer...they been asking for this since 2002. Seriously.
who is suffering? you may want to rethink your choice of words.
a noob not knowing any different is the one suffering. someone perfoming these lame can flag gank tactics, now that is what i call a 'carebear' mentality. it seems you lamers only see it as a safe way to gank a noob... talk about grief play.
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