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Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.21 00:14:00 - [91] 1) any ship with a good gank setup 2) 2 large smartbombs on manual - with good timing it will take out over 50% of your missiles, effectivly halving your DPS. Originally by: Testy McTest Artillery Extreme Ammo - fires typhoons that launch claws with autocannons that launch guys in space suits that have machine guns that fire ninjas
Kelgen Thann	Posted - 2005.12.21 00:30:00 - [92] Edited by: Kelgen Thann on 21/12/2005 00:31:40 Now a lot has been said, so at this point I will say I haven't read the whole thread. I've found that My Raven has no match in the BS department. I have 27,500 shields, 7300 or so armour, and 5k hull. I also use Double Energy Neuts (Heavy) I use damage controll, invulnerfield etc.. I also only engage in under 24km and above 8k. I've already gtested against every Gank ship type out there, The only thing I haven't tested it on is a Sniping Tempest. Now Vs Small ships I suck lol, but Vs BS I can't find a set-up that beats it except maybe another Raven
ElCoCo	Posted - 2005.12.21 00:38:00 - [93] Anyone with half a brain -in any ship- can beat your raven... just cause he already knows your setup. Good preparation wins 90% of the fights. Ofcourse the fact remains that in anything besides large engagements (due to missile flight time) the raven is easily the most versatile bs you can bring along.
Carth Jared	Posted - 2005.12.21 00:41:00 - [94] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sentani Edited by: Sentani on 20/12/2005 23:14:37 7x t2 425 with ammo that reaches abit outside his torp range and 1x standard launcher for his drones... 1x MWD 1x capinjector w 800 2x sensor booster 3x damage mod and whatever you need to run it and maybe a small passive tank 5x EM heavies id stay outside his torp range with the MWD... if he cant reach he cant hurt you... in which case, he uses his light drones to pawn ur tackler and laughs at ur ass. By this logic none of the two ships would ever win as the other one would simply blow up the oponents tackler ATUK
Dust Angel	Posted - 2005.12.21 00:45:00 - [95] This thread = a joke. Detarus is more interesting.
turnschuh	Posted - 2005.12.21 00:48:00 - [96] Ill just get a tempest with MWD, get 100km away from you and snipe your ass off since you have no ******* sensor boosters or MWD and cant target me. 10mil please
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:04:00 - [97] ravens are pretty hard to beat because missiles hit at all ranges for good damage where as turret pilots have to be selective. ok on the side fighting the raven id want to kill his neutralisers befor my tackeler got fried. An nos dom could probibly do this, problem i see is the fact that said raven can still fire torps with zero cap and there exists no (decent) counter to missiles (defenders are pants and smartbombs are random). Hmm.. nos/neut dom could possibly out tank raven damn this is hard the raven always wins... Would have to ideally go long range then out of torp spammage distance but then he'd just run away since your tackler would get zapped by nos/neutrs.. All i can say is raven currently pwns all, its still a skill less ship to fly imho. hate it tis why i trained a different race, just got bored of the raven. Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:29:00 - [98] Edited by: Kcel Chim on 21/12/2005 01:30:58 ive never seen a thread more useless to this forum "i can make a raven setup which i cant fly but u tell me how to beat it, here are my 100 conditions" "i can also make totally ** tempest setups which utterly are and use utterly ** guns and utterly lame crap on it just to show u i dont actually fly tempests and have no clue bout them" "ill give 10 mil to someone who can impress me with something ive not thought about or cant counter" Lets be honest your setup is crap and the situation is highly unlikely as anyone "losing" to that raven will kill the tackler or jam the tackler and sail away. If its a 1o1 (which would require the set of rules and honor you apply to it) then maybe the raven would need tackling stuff, however this would totally pwn your fine layout, wouldnt it ? A domi at 20-26 km with 2 armor reppers all caprechargers and 2 a capbooster ontop of a few nos and 2 smartbombs prolly can tank it and outdamage you over time. thats at 21km max ofc or the nos wont work. At a higher range even an apoc could prolly tank you with 2 smarties fitted and a decent tank, those boats literally live forever with their natural bonus. Shortrange i guess the geddon drunken posted would kill ya, and maybe a rigged tempest aswell the 50% em resistance seems your weakest spot so generally lasers would do better or emp ammo. All in all, im sure there is plenty setups to beat this raven and even if there arent its unlikely ill ever stumble alone over it, without ew or especially fitted for him, so its just a timekilling mindgame with no actual basis. Well done.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:35:00 - [99] domi has probably 3 setups that aren't specific but would give raven problems... Now the EW rule is just crap... that negates 2 battleships effectively as scorp and domi relay on ew... Is that 25% of all BS ingame? Oh and i know of bs that would wtfpwn your raven. It is called rattlesnake... and is not raven :) HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:36:00 - [100] Well, i just dueled my buddy on sisi He was in a tanked Raven (using T2 and faction mods) and i was in a gankaggedon. Hes got ~29 mil sps, and i got ~33 mil sps. Outcome = We are both in pods. Was funny as hell. Anyways id say its pretty balanced. Also, if you keep kicking the crap outta ravens on TQ, i dont see why they need to be nerfed even more. _______________________________________________ Originally by: Oveur To the nerfmobile!
Aeid Nomais	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:38:00 - [101] Originally by: LUKEC Oh and i know of bs that would wtfpwn your raven. It is called rattlesnake... and is not raven :)[/quote and Nightmare and Bhaalgorn.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:38:00 - [102] Rifter 3x 150mm Autocannon 1x Rocket 1x 1MN MWD 1x Web 1x Scram 3x CPR Watch torps never hit. ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
Drunkeh	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:43:00 - [103] Originally by: Harry Voyager Rifter 3x 150mm Autocannon 1x Rocket 1x 1MN MWD 1x Web 1x Scram 3x CPR Watch torps never hit. Except they would, cause in order to hit him, you need to be in neut range, and when ur neuted, u cant mwd, and torps hit you. Originally by: Omeega I R NO WORK. I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:46:00 - [104] Originally by: Drunkeh Originally by: Harry Voyager Rifter 3x 150mm Autocannon 1x Rocket 1x 1MN MWD 1x Web 1x Scram 3x CPR Watch torps never hit. Except they would, cause in order to hit him, you need to be in neut range, and when ur neuted, u cant mwd, and torps hit you. not to mention our clever friend fitted medium TP drones (i assume it is supposed to mean "targetpainter") so he has a booked kill on your tackler anyways.
Megadon	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:00:00 - [105] Edited by: Megadon on 21/12/2005 02:02:52 Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 20/12/2005 21:47:46 can anyone beat a raven BS in any other BS? assume a 2vs2, one side has a raven and a cepter that can only tackle. thus no warping out (this is realistic as in fights u have a gang and tacklers tackle and BS do other things) the other side also has a dedicated tackler. now ur job is to design a BS that can beat the raven. no ECM are permitted, assume maxed out gang skills too. raven setup 6 siege t2 : 2 medium neuts 2 invols t2 : 3 t2 extenders, : 1 small t2 shield booster 4BCU t2, 1 DCU best named 5 medium TP drones, and some t2 light drones too nearly 17,000 Shields, which good resistance across the bord. anyone comes up with a winner, ill give u 10mils isk. competing BS must not use faction or officer mods, since this raven isnt useing any, assume maxed skills for both pilots. I have a ship setup that I think can beat that, but then I started doing the maths on the Raven just to make sure and guess what? With MAXED skills, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL you CAN fit 3 Tech II extenders (even medium ones), 2 Invulnerability shield II's AND 4 BCU tech 2's. You do not have enough CPU. Not NEAR enough. Which means that your Raven setup your basing this whole exercise on is bogus. So revise your "unbeatable" raven setup with something that will actually work, and I will give you a setup that will beat it. Otherwise, you're just trolling. Screenshot of quickfit with maxed out skills for raven. Linkage
Breed Love	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:06:00 - [106] k, i tested this against a corpmate on sisi. He has around 22m sp, specced in missiles/caldari, I have around 10^^, all in gallente but now I used a geddon for which i have really basic skills, amarr bs 3, large energy 3. Result: we blew each other up, was kinda funny here u got some screenies, with all passive mods shown aswell: screen1 screen2 screen3 now considering the fact that i was doing around 30% less dps than a specced amarr guy would, this was a good result, in other words a specced amarr guy would pwn that raven easily. Now gimme 10mil isk.
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:10:00 - [107] Originally by: Megadon Edited by: Megadon on 21/12/2005 02:02:52 Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 20/12/2005 21:47:46 can anyone beat a raven BS in any other BS? assume a 2vs2, one side has a raven and a cepter that can only tackle. thus no warping out (this is realistic as in fights u have a gang and tacklers tackle and BS do other things) the other side also has a dedicated tackler. now ur job is to design a BS that can beat the raven. no ECM are permitted, assume maxed out gang skills too. raven setup 6 siege t2 : 2 medium neuts 2 invols t2 : 3 t2 extenders, : 1 small t2 shield booster 4BCU t2, 1 DCU best named 5 medium TP drones, and some t2 light drones too nearly 17,000 Shields, which good resistance across the bord. anyone comes up with a winner, ill give u 10mils isk. competing BS must not use faction or officer mods, since this raven isnt useing any, assume maxed skills for both pilots. I have a ship setup that I think can beat that, but then I started doing the maths on the Raven just to make sure and guess what? With MAXED skills, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL you CAN fit 3 Tech II extenders (even medium ones), 2 Invulnerability shield II's AND 4 BCU tech 2's. You do not have enough CPU. Not NEAR enough. Which means that your Raven setup your basing this whole exercise on is bogus. So revise your "unbeatable" raven setup with something that will actually work, and I will give you a setup that will beat it. Otherwise, you're just trolling. Screenshot of quickfit with maxed out skills for raven. Linkage you forgot to apply the 25% cpu bonus from the electronics skill. With the skill applied and named neuts it should fit give or take 3 cpu. (a 3% cpu implant will fix it anyways)
Megadon	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:14:00 - [108] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Megadon Edited by: Megadon on 21/12/2005 02:02:52 Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 20/12/2005 21:47:46 can anyone beat a raven BS in any other BS? assume a 2vs2, one side has a raven and a cepter that can only tackle. thus no warping out (this is realistic as in fights u have a gang and tacklers tackle and BS do other things) the other side also has a dedicated tackler. now ur job is to design a BS that can beat the raven. no ECM are permitted, assume maxed out gang skills too. raven setup 6 siege t2 : 2 medium neuts 2 invols t2 : 3 t2 extenders, : 1 small t2 shield booster 4BCU t2, 1 DCU best named 5 medium TP drones, and some t2 light drones too nearly 17,000 Shields, which good resistance across the bord. anyone comes up with a winner, ill give u 10mils isk. competing BS must not use faction or officer mods, since this raven isnt useing any, assume maxed skills for both pilots. I have a ship setup that I think can beat that, but then I started doing the maths on the Raven just to make sure and guess what? With MAXED skills, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL you CAN fit 3 Tech II extenders (even medium ones), 2 Invulnerability shield II's AND 4 BCU tech 2's. You do not have enough CPU. Not NEAR enough. Which means that your Raven setup your basing this whole exercise on is bogus. So revise your "unbeatable" raven setup with something that will actually work, and I will give you a setup that will beat it. Otherwise, you're just trolling. Screenshot of quickfit with maxed out skills for raven. Linkage you forgot to apply the 25% cpu bonus from the electronics skill. With the skill applied and named neuts it should fit give or take 3 cpu. (a 3% cpu implant will fix it anyways) No, actually I didn't. It's all there. but I made another small mistake I am currently correcting. The bottom line is that his proposed setup and shield horse power of 17000 is crap and he needs to revise his numbers.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:16:00 - [109] "never lost a BS to a raven, dont think ive lost a crusier to a raven yet either, nor a hac. although have lost a AF pre patch to one." ... So what's the problem, exactly? Apparently and by your own words, against a good pilot a Raven is unable to kill anything bigger than assault frigate, and post patch maybe not even that. And you want to get it further nerfed? o.O;
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:18:00 - [110] Edited by: Kcel Chim on 21/12/2005 02:20:23 dude the screenshot shows u forgot to apply the skill, otherwise u would have after fitting 3 large extenders still some 184 or so cpu leftover which is enough for 4 *40 from the bcu t2 and 20 for the dcu. no implant actually needed, nor meta neuts.
Remedial	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:27:00 - [111] If you know somebody else's setup, can match their ship class, and they cannot customize to beat you, you have already won.
Megadon	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:28:00 - [112] Edited by: Megadon on 21/12/2005 02:31:16 Originally by: Kcel Chim Edited by: Kcel Chim on 21/12/2005 02:20:23 dude the screenshot shows u forgot to apply the skill, otherwise u would have after fitting 3 large extenders still some 184 or so cpu leftover which is enough for 4 *40 from the bcu t2 and 20 for the dcu. no implant actually needed, nor meta neuts. Na, it's just not showing anything there because I have nothing selected atm. The 25% is being applied. I've used quick fit and caclulated it on paper. Post a screenshot showing it all fits and then I'll eat crow. Otherwise my statement stands.
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:44:00 - [113] Originally by: Megadon Na, it's just not showing anything there because I have nothing selected atm. The 25% is being applied. I've used quick fit and caclulated it on paper. Post a screenshot showing it all fits and then I'll eat crow. Otherwise my statement stands. 6 sieges t2 with weaponupgrade 5 = 66 cpu each = 396 cpu 2 invul fields t2 = 44 cpu each = 88 cpu 2 medium neuts = 20 cpu each = 40 cpu 3 large shield ex t2 = 46 cpu each = 138 cpu 1 small sb t2 = 29 cpu 4 bdu t2 = 40 cpu each = 160 cpu 1 dcu = 20 cpu 871 cpu total raven 700 cpu base with skills 875, fits. pg also fits even without adv. weaponupgrade, i wont do the math for you tho as its ubereasy.
Megadon	Posted - 2005.12.21 03:12:00 - [114] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Megadon Na, it's just not showing anything there because I have nothing selected atm. The 25% is being applied. I've used quick fit and caclulated it on paper. Post a screenshot showing it all fits and then I'll eat crow. Otherwise my statement stands. 6 sieges t2 with weaponupgrade 5 = 66 cpu each = 396 cpu 2 invul fields t2 = 44 cpu each = 88 cpu 2 medium neuts = 20 cpu each = 40 cpu 3 large shield ex t2 = 46 cpu each = 138 cpu 1 small sb t2 = 29 cpu 4 bdu t2 = 40 cpu each = 160 cpu 1 dcu = 20 cpu 871 cpu total raven 700 cpu base with skills 875, fits. pg also fits even without adv. weaponupgrade, i wont do the math for you tho as its ubereasy. No need to do the math for me, but thanks, see where i went wrong. One giant large Crow eaten I was calculating the large tech II shield extenders as being the old value of 115 cpu each... gag. umm crow tastes great!
RadarLove	Posted - 2005.12.21 03:33:00 - [115] I'll beat his raven in a cruiser. The OP sets so many conditions that he will try to make it impossible to beat him. Ok, bring your raven, setup however you want. I only have one condition and I'll come in my thorax. Meet me at the spot I designate. It will be a moon in system XX.....
Trelennen	Posted - 2005.12.21 03:40:00 - [116] I'd say a domi with drones, similar passive tank as the raven (but prolly a shield relay in the additional low instead of the small booster in the missing med), and drone damage mods instead of BCU. Tanks will be similar, maybe better recharge on the domi with the shield relay. Domi with T2 drones and max skill dish out around 750 DPS with 3 damage mods, eg. what the T2 torp raven dish out with 3 damage mods and 3 T2 drones (skills maxed). Add a mix of blasters on the domi and nos (to get the cap for the blasters, and ty disbling the hardeners of the raven), and you should end up with a setup with a similar tank, and more DPS. Of course the first thing the domi would do would be to kill the TP drones of the raven to not be lightened up like a christmas tree too long . Originally by: DarK The cluetrain obviously doesn't stop at this station anymore...
Angus Therm0pyle	Posted - 2005.12.21 04:12:00 - [117] k a rattlesnake with this 6 siege t2 : 2 medium neuts 2 invols t2 : 1 t2 em hardener 2 lrg shield extenders t2, : 1 lrg t2 booster 4BCU t2, 1 DCU best named 1 co-pro II you never said no faction bs' gimem my 10mil ---------------
Rigsta	Posted - 2005.12.21 04:17:00 - [118] Edited by: Rigsta on 21/12/2005 04:20:28 Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 20/12/2005 21:47:46 can anyone beat a raven BS in any other BS? assume a 2vs2, one side has a raven and a cepter that can only tackle. thus no warping out (this is realistic as in fights u have a gang and tacklers tackle and BS do other things) the other side also has a dedicated tackler. now ur job is to design a BS that can beat the raven. no ECM are permitted, assume maxed out gang skills too. raven setup 6 siege t2 : 2 medium neuts 2 invols t2 : 3 t2 extenders, : 1 small t2 shield booster 4BCU t2, 1 DCU best named 5 medium TP drones, and some t2 light drones too nearly 17,000 Shields, which good resistance across the bord. Anything with 2 a couple of T2 sensor dampers (with lv4/5 signal supression) and decent damage output. That is, unless they released FoF torpedoes with RMR that I missed. Myself, I'd use a domi because I like that ship and it has 5 mids available. (Cue the clueless "no ECM though!" posts ) ----------------------------------------------- My Ideas: Drones wish list <-- 2 years old. I always knew the voice w
Evisicator	Posted - 2005.12.21 05:37:00 - [119] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Jim Hsu Apoc with 8 cycling smartbombs? Charge!!! :) quite possible, infact yes it probably would, if u got to within 5km and kept the raven there. but what else could u use this for? would anyone even consider useing a 8 smartbomb ship in pvp i mean anything that orbits u at >7km is gona kill you. it is possible, but very very unrealistic to use in pvp!!!! I'm just curious why the post went any further than this? I mean the OP even says it would win. The "rules" did not say anything about having to be a practical set-up. He simply asked for one that beats it. So give the man his isk. Quit playing the what if this what if that game and be a gracious loser for once.
Foulis	Posted - 2005.12.21 05:42:00 - [120] Originally by: Angus Therm0pyle k a rattlesnake with this 6 siege t2 : 2 medium neuts 2 invols t2 : 1 t2 em hardener 2 lrg shield extenders t2, : 1 lrg t2 booster 4BCU t2, 1 DCU best named 1 co-pro II you never said no faction bs' gimem my 10mil I have to aggree, there is no good reason the above won't win, it's the same but BETTER. Give them man his 10 mill.

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