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Angus Therm0pyle	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:43:00 - [31] you are aware if the dreads stayed there would be nothign left of the pos and fleet ---------------
Adamus TorK	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:47:00 - [32] Originally by: thoth foc 150+ loses for 27 odd kills? what a victory!! I wonder if we had 150+ in gang LOL... well you always know better :P Anyway, it was fun... I was albe to shoot a Relevation for about 2 min... after that the lag was terrible... Many of us's ships, weapons and densors didnt respond and some of us was crashed and stucked :P btw, thanks for the "fight" :P ---------------------------------
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Despite me hating all F-E fools. If the objective was to hold the space and make you go away. Then I would say F-E did just that. The name of the game isn't to kill as many F-E ships as possiable and declare a victory from your clone point. Noone will ever say they won a battle like that if they didn't even claim the hill they stormed. So yeah, I find it funny people still think it's about how many you kill in this war. Unless the purpose of your tactics are for you to keep killing many F-E pilots while being defeated to push pressure on F-E weekly where it becomes a "Who has more ISK or Better Industry" to keep up with everyone losing ships till we break threw that wall. Starting to find the Five responces rather funny and sad. So much for my hope in there efforts to defeat F-E and cleanse the land of there plague. Please someone form a real alliance with real combat pilots! Prays to the god of WAR Wars are rarely won in one battle, while the whole "storming the hill" things sounds great.. it not very.. useful.. --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Vince Draken	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Angus Therm0pyle you are aware if the dreads stayed there would be nothign left of the pos and fleet Yeah, thing is we were actually (despite the propaganda) outnumbered by about 50%.... The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Glenndo Cantoris My quick little take on it: If ATUK brought dreads, its safe to assume they had plans to use them, which they didn't. Our territory was preserved, though we lost alot of ships (including my own). In a war of attrition, the home team wins, The Five realized that and left. It wasn't pretty, but it was a victory of sorts. Gotta say the lag was a total nightmare, pretty sure over half the ships in the fight couldn't even manage a target lock. Also, thanks goes to the Phoenix Alliance who cam in and backed us up. Mybe you missed my post. Either that or havent figured it out yet. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:52:00 - [36] Quote: Atuk attacked a D7 unarmed pos with 30+ BS and 4 dreads... it resulted in about 38 BS losses of F-E and 17 ATUK BS losses over 3 hours (these are numbers from ATUK killboard, maybe some more kills and losses of atuk coming in). F-E looted the battlefield afterwards.. most F-E pilots lost between 3-4 ships each though :) all-in-all some good fights... at the end CCP won and pwnd both our fleets with lag :) Hmmm, I find it hard to believe that atuk outnumbered F-E's bs's quite sop badly when F-E lost, it seems, more BS's than atuk had...unless F-E lost all the BS's they had?
Rajon Kelper	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:52:00 - [37] Edited by: Rajon Kelper on 22/12/2005 02:54:10 Edited by: Rajon Kelper on 22/12/2005 02:53:10 no, vince, you were not outnumbered that much at first. As the fight progessed, yes, but not at first. When the fight began the numbers were MUCH closer. --------------------------------------------------- "The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Amaia Popiya	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:53:00 - [38] To whom it may concern, (i.e. FA) I have a small piece of news for you. It was not the intention of the ATUK command to take the POS. The attack on the POS was to draw your forces into a fight. Plain and simple. It was to done to force your command to make a choice, fight or loose the POS. The same tactic has been done ever since organized warfare has been practiced. Lay siege to a strategic target in order to force the defender into battle. Eve is very good at mirroring true warfare. With a similar mix of troop types, the defender has the ability to retreat faster then the attacker can advance. In other words, you cannot force the defending side into battle without trapping them against a terrain feature (river, mountain range, swamp, etc). In Eve this can be represented by a warp bubble. Or by making them commit their mobile forces to relieve a besieged and valuable stratigic object or location (i.e., the POS). Your command had to either commit, those forces, or loose the POS. That was the ATUK objective. And it was achieved with stellar results for ATUK. Please see the kill boards. Thank you Flavius Renatus
Delthus	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:54:00 - [39] so we escape smack in game but get it out of game http://www.otakucity.org/forum/images/signatures/dunk_beck.jpg
Flavius Renatus	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:54:00 - [40] It is my alt above. Dumb boards. Flavius Renatus (Ancient Roman Military Historian) Real Power Is Something You Take!!!
Sorja	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:56:00 - [41] Nice text Lamb Chop
Sick Boy	Posted - 2005.12.22 02:57:00 - [42] Despite the lag and so on it was fun! Im not going into numbers on any side. And who did what, to mutch propaganda! Happy flying with my brothers and sisters this evening. And congrats on repel the attack F-e and co. Good fight! Cya around!
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:07:00 - [43] I see two sides trying to save face. FE lost way more ships, but they point out that they held ground against a superior force, and claim victory. ATUK make pseudo-mysterious comments about their real objectives, trying to emphasize kill ratio more. If it wasn't for the fact that FE's PR is more coordinated, I'd be walking away with the impression that you're all idiots. GG FE. --- God-King of Genitalia
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Raem Civrie I see two sides trying to save face. or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome? F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :) --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:28:00 - [45] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Raem Civrie I see two sides trying to save face. or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome? F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :) OK lets get one thing strait a fully t1 fitted fully insured BS. yea MAJOR losses there.
Rajon Kelper	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:29:00 - [46] what thoth said. Both sides have different opinions on what is regarded as a "win" tonight, so there's no point arguing about it. Both sides won, according to each's point of view. best fight we've had in a while (and no smack, either!), Atuk, thanks. --------------------------------------------------- "The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Moros	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:31:00 - [47] Must have been LAGERIFIC.
Monarch	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:35:00 - [48] If the fight in D7 would have been a Visa commercial it would have gone like this: Needing an entire alliance to fight 1 corpà Pathetic Coordinating Forum Campaign better than the actual fleetà Halarious Getting poonjabbed twice in your home system by a smaller forceà Priceless BTW both battles where at short range just like you guys have always wanted them lol ôcareful what you wish forö Nothing you can say or do will change the fact that we killed you in LOADS even while your POS guns where shooting us and you out numbering us had people moving in and out of the bubble shields.
Carth Jared	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:38:00 - [49] Edited by: Carth Jared on 22/12/2005 03:38:18 Originally by: Robotek Hybrid Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Raem Civrie I see two sides trying to save face. or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome? F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :) OK lets get one thing strait a fully t1 fitted fully insured BS. yea MAJOR losses there. I would certainly call 35 battleships (where alot of them had tech II guns and tech II mods on i imagine) a loss worth mentioning, wouldnt you? ATUK
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:43:00 - [50] Edited by: thoth foc on 22/12/2005 03:44:51 Originally by: Robotek Hybrid Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Raem Civrie I see two sides trying to save face. or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome? F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :) OK lets get one thing strait a fully t1 fitted fully insured BS. yea MAJOR losses there. ok.. count all the digits on your hands (both), now count all the digits on ur feet (both), come back and do ur hands again(both).. (yes i mean do it for a second time) now count 1 foot again (yes count just 1 foot for a second time) is the number your at now bigger than 1?!? and yes that prolly hurt u more than F-E losing their ships hurt them.. bah carth.. :P --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Fedaykin Naib	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:48:00 - [51] after looking at this thread....... "Long Live the Fighters!" "The weak come and go with time. The strong have remained" - v ger
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Angus Therm0pyle you are aware if the dreads stayed there would be nothign left of the pos and fleet Yeah, thing is we were actually (despite the propaganda) outnumbered by about 50%.... Im just curious. As an example lets say that atuk have 30bs's + a few dreads and a few cepters & fe has 20bs's + 10 t1 cruisers + 20 t1 frigs. Now while it would be true that we would out number you, why do you guys get so excited about that? Do you really think us having more pilots in frigates while you have more bs's + dreads gives us such a great advantage that you need to boast about it constantly? I guess my question is why do atuk put so much stock on the 'total potential hostiles in system' number. I had an industy alt docked in the station at the time. That alt cant even use guns. Did that somehow give FE an advantage over you? If not why bring up the numbers? One time I attacked 5 mining barges by myself in an apoc! OMG!!11 They out numbered me 5-1 and I still came out on top!!!111 I guess I won eve.
Recscue	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:54:00 - [53] 5 should take a step back and take a look at their own posts I hear the battle was smackfree IG, why the hate now?
Trepkos	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:55:00 - [54] I do not like siding with ATUK, but no dreadnaught kills make this post boring. --------
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:56:00 - [55] Originally by: Trepkos I do not like siding with ATUK, but no dreadnaught kills make this post boring. We were just trying to get out in front of random alt gossip.
Carth Jared	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:58:00 - [56] Originally by: pershphanie Im just curious. As an example lets say that atuk have 30bs's + a few dreads and a few cepters & fe has 20bs's + 10 t1 cruisers + 20 t1 frigs. Now while it would be true that we would out number you, why do you guys get so excited about that? Do you really think us having more pilots in frigates while you have more bs's + dreads gives us such a great advantage that you need to boast about it constantly? I guess my question is why do atuk put so much stock on the 'total potential hostiles in system' number. I had an industy alt docked in the station at the time. That alt cant even use guns. Did that somehow give FE an advantage over you? If not why bring up the numbers? One time I attacked 5 mining barges by myself in an apoc! OMG!!11 They out numbered me 5-1 and I still came out on top!!!111 I guess I won eve. I think it has to do with all the comments about us blobbing and only ganking you guys when ur at a disadvantage so when the "tables turn" we like to remind you ;) And personally i would trade 10 bs' for 30+ (Im counting quite a few t2 support ships on our killboard btw) support ships any day but thats just me ;) ATUK
Carth Jared	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Recscue 5 should take a step back and take a look at their own posts I hear the battle was smackfree IG, why the hate now? The smack is from both sides in this thread so you can cut the crap right now ATUK
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.22 04:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Carth Jared Originally by: pershphanie Im just curious. As an example lets say that atuk have 30bs's + a few dreads and a few cepters & fe has 20bs's + 10 t1 cruisers + 20 t1 frigs. Now while it would be true that we would out number you, why do you guys get so excited about that? Do you really think us having more pilots in frigates while you have more bs's + dreads gives us such a great advantage that you need to boast about it constantly? I guess my question is why do atuk put so much stock on the 'total potential hostiles in system' number. I had an industy alt docked in the station at the time. That alt cant even use guns. Did that somehow give FE an advantage over you? If not why bring up the numbers? One time I attacked 5 mining barges by myself in an apoc! OMG!!11 They out numbered me 5-1 and I still came out on top!!!111 I guess I won eve. I think it has to do with all the comments about us blobbing and only ganking you guys when ur at a disadvantage so when the "tables turn" we like to remind you ;) And personally i would trade 10 bs' for 30+ (Im counting quite a few t2 support ships on our killboard btw) support ships any day but thats just me ;) Thats fair enough. But why do you guys think having more support crafts when you have more battleships is an advantage worth always bringing up? At best its a trade off. Again. Im not really speaking specifically about today. Ive been in several situations where we had a bunch of t1 cruisers and frigs and atuk wanted us to jump in on a bunch of hacs and sniping bs's. When we dont I hear 'omg they outnumbered us and still wont jump in!'. Its total rubbish tbh.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.12.22 04:13:00 - [59] Quote: Wars are rarely won in one battle, while the whole "storming the hill" things sounds great.. it not very.. useful.. Ok that totaly went over most of your heads I guess. Claiming the hill isn't symbolizing winning the war. It's about claiming a key point in a tactical plan/position designed by the Five alliance leaders. Like claiming a station and ect. Then the tactics leading up to it. I dono what your whole goal was in D7 is but if D7 was the hill you were trying to storm and do some sort of tactical thing. Then bragging about how many BS's you killed vs the BS's you lost doesn't mean anything. Unless it was suppost to??? I only say that to the Five responces on excuses how the fight went down like it matters you lost little battleships yet still got pushed out of the system in the end. How I wish I had some high alt in your alliance to really just see how the leadership as a whole is going as far as tactical extermination of F-E. Unless it's just random blob tactics. In that case, I really don't see why people think the alliance as a whole is good. Like the wise man once said. Anyone can learn how to fight but not everyone can understand why it is they're fighting.
Carth Jared	Posted - 2005.12.22 04:18:00 - [60] Originally by: pershphanie Thats fair enough. But why do you guys think having more support crafts when you have more battleships is an advantage worth always bringing up? At best its a trade off. Again. Im not really speaking specifically about today. Ive been in several situations where we had a bunch of t1 cruisers and frigs and atuk wanted us to jump in on a bunch of hacs and sniping bs's. When we dont I hear 'omg they outnumbered us and still wont jump in!'. Its total rubbish tbh. I actually agree that that is bull**, but its not like we dont hear the same. We will usually refuse to engage in a close range in such a situation as you have described because you would propably ***us. Somethin we then get slacked for when we try to keep it long range. It sort of an evil circle and its getting old :\| ATUK

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