Originally by: danneh

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I sense flames.

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Originally by: Lamb Chop

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ATUK mounted a surprise attack to one of our home systems approxiamtely 08:00 Eve Time.

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Originally by: Pepperami

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So did you kill any dreads?

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So, this is a prediction post?

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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux

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Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 22/12/2005 00:59:10

Originally by: Pepperami

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So did you kill any dreads?

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Nope. Dreads jumped out (back to H-PA?) as soon as the battle started.

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So, this is a prediction post?

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He means 20:00 Eve Time.

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Originally by: Obidios

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Edited by: Obidios on 22/12/2005 01:22:33
Funny idea of victory... Loose double the BS + untolds more and don't kil a dread? lol.

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Originally by: Uggs386

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Originally by: Obidios

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Edited by: Obidios on 22/12/2005 01:22:33
Funny idea of victory... Loose double the BS + untolds more and don't kil a dread? lol.

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you guys are quick to say ascn had a victory for holding there space at the cost of many more ships than they killed, from what i understand f-e's only objective was to hold their space so yes I would say they won.

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Originally by: Uggs386

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Originally by: Obidios

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Edited by: Obidios on 22/12/2005 01:22:33
Funny idea of victory... Loose double the BS + untolds more and don't kil a dread? lol.

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you guys are quick to say ascn had a victory for holding there space at the cost of many more ships than they killed, from what i understand f-e's only objective was to hold their space so yes I would say they won.

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Originally by: thoth foc

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150+ loses for 27 odd kills?

what a victory!!

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Originally by: Raznarok

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Originally by: thoth foc

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150+ loses for 27 odd kills?

what a victory!!

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Hes not focusing on numbers dummy, hes stating what happened as a report.

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Originally by: Obidios

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Edited by: Obidios on 22/12/2005 01:22:33
Funny idea of victory... Loose double the BS + untolds more and don't kil a dread? lol.

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Originally by: Obidios

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Edited by: Obidios on 22/12/2005 01:22:33
Funny idea of victory... Loose double the BS + untolds more and don't kil a dread? lol.

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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri

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Despite me hating all F-E fools. If the objective was to hold the space and make you go away. Then I would say F-E did just that. The name of the game isn't to kill as many F-E ships as possiable and declare a victory from your clone point. Noone will ever say they won a battle like that if they didn't even claim the hill they stormed. So yeah, I find it funny people still think it's about how many you kill in this war. Unless the purpose of your tactics are for you to keep killing many F-E pilots while being defeated to push pressure on F-E weekly where it becomes a "Who has more ISK or Better Industry" to keep up with everyone losing ships till we break threw that wall.

Starting to find the Five responces rather funny and sad. So much for my hope in there efforts to defeat F-E and cleanse the land of there plague. Please someone form a real alliance with real combat pilots! *Prays to the god of WAR*

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Originally by: thoth foc

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150+ loses for 27 odd kills?

what a victory!!

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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri

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Despite me hating all F-E fools. If the objective was to hold the space and make you go away. Then I would say F-E did just that. The name of the game isn't to kill as many F-E ships as possiable and declare a victory from your clone point. Noone will ever say they won a battle like that if they didn't even claim the hill they stormed. So yeah, I find it funny people still think it's about how many you kill in this war. Unless the purpose of your tactics are for you to keep killing many F-E pilots while being defeated to push pressure on F-E weekly where it becomes a "Who has more ISK or Better Industry" to keep up with everyone losing ships till we break threw that wall.

Starting to find the Five responces rather funny and sad. So much for my hope in there efforts to defeat F-E and cleanse the land of there plague. Please someone form a real alliance with real combat pilots! *Prays to the god of WAR*

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Originally by: Angus Therm0pyle

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you are aware if the dreads stayed there would be nothign left of the pos and fleet

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Originally by: Glenndo Cantoris

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My quick little take on it:

If ATUK brought dreads, its safe to assume they had plans to use them, which they didn't. Our territory was preserved, though we lost alot of ships (including my own). In a war of attrition, the home team wins, The Five realized that and left. It wasn't pretty, but it was a victory of sorts.

Gotta say the lag was a total nightmare, pretty sure over half the ships in the fight couldn't even manage a target lock. Also, thanks goes to the Phoenix Alliance who cam in and backed us up.

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Atuk attacked a D7 unarmed pos with 30+ BS and 4 dreads... it resulted in about 38 BS losses of F-E and 17 ATUK BS losses over 3 hours (these are numbers from ATUK killboard, maybe some more kills and losses of atuk coming in). F-E looted the battlefield afterwards.. most F-E pilots lost between 3-4 ships each though :)

all-in-all some good fights... at the end CCP won and pwnd both our fleets with lag :)

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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I see two sides trying to save face.

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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I see two sides trying to save face.

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or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome?

F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :)

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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I see two sides trying to save face.

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or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome?

F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :)

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OK lets get one thing strait a fully t1 fitted fully insured BS. yea MAJOR losses there.

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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I see two sides trying to save face.

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or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome?

F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :)

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OK lets get one thing strait a fully t1 fitted fully insured BS. yea MAJOR losses there.

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Originally by: Vince Draken

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Originally by: Angus Therm0pyle

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you are aware if the dreads stayed there would be nothign left of the pos and fleet

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Yeah, thing is we were actually (despite the propaganda) outnumbered by about 50%....

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Originally by: Trepkos

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I do not like siding with ATUK, but no dreadnaught kills make this post boring.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Im just curious. As an example lets say that atuk have 30bs's + a few dreads and a few cepters & fe has 20bs's + 10 t1 cruisers + 20 t1 frigs. Now while it would be true that we would out number you, why do you guys get so excited about that? Do you really think us having more pilots in frigates while you have more bs's + dreads gives us such a great advantage that you need to boast about it constantly?

I guess my question is why do atuk put so much stock on the 'total potential hostiles in system' number. I had an industy alt docked in the station at the time. That alt cant even use guns. Did that somehow give FE an advantage over you? If not why bring up the numbers? One time I attacked 5 mining barges by myself in an apoc! OMG!!11 They out numbered me 5-1 and I still came out on top!!!111 I guess I won eve.

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Originally by: Recscue

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5 should take a step back and take a look at their own posts

I hear the battle was smackfree IG, why the hate now?

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Im just curious. As an example lets say that atuk have 30bs's + a few dreads and a few cepters & fe has 20bs's + 10 t1 cruisers + 20 t1 frigs. Now while it would be true that we would out number you, why do you guys get so excited about that? Do you really think us having more pilots in frigates while you have more bs's + dreads gives us such a great advantage that you need to boast about it constantly?

I guess my question is why do atuk put so much stock on the 'total potential hostiles in system' number. I had an industy alt docked in the station at the time. That alt cant even use guns. Did that somehow give FE an advantage over you? If not why bring up the numbers? One time I attacked 5 mining barges by myself in an apoc! OMG!!11 They out numbered me 5-1 and I still came out on top!!!111 I guess I won eve.

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I think it has to do with all the comments about us blobbing and only ganking you guys when ur at a disadvantage so when the "tables turn" we like to remind you ;)

And personally i would trade 10 bs' for 30+ (Im counting quite a few t2 support ships on our killboard btw) support ships any day but thats just me ;)

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Wars are rarely won in one battle, while the whole "storming the hill" things sounds great.. it not very.. useful..

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Thats fair enough. But why do you guys think having more support crafts when you have more battleships is an advantage worth always bringing up? At best its a trade off. Again. Im not really speaking specifically about today. Ive been in several situations where we had a bunch of t1 cruisers and frigs and atuk wanted us to jump in on a bunch of hacs and sniping bs's. When we dont I hear 'omg they outnumbered us and still wont jump in!'. Its total rubbish tbh.

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Thats fair enough. But why do you guys think having more support crafts when you have more battleships is an advantage worth always bringing up? At best its a trade off. Again. Im not really speaking specifically about today. Ive been in several situations where we had a bunch of t1 cruisers and frigs and atuk wanted us to jump in on a bunch of hacs and sniping bs's. When we dont I hear 'omg they outnumbered us and still wont jump in!'. Its total rubbish tbh.

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I actually agree that that is bull****, but its not like we dont hear the same. We will usually refuse to engage in a close range in such a situation as you have described because you would propably *****us. Somethin we then get slacked for when we try to keep it long range. It sort of an evil circle and its getting old :|

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Originally by: Oveur

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****! Lets nerf it!

To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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i am unhappy cause i missed the fight, so BUUUHHH to both of you

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Originally by: Amthrianius

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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i am unhappy cause i missed the fight, so BUUUHHH to both of you

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Me to

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Amthrianius

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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i am unhappy cause i missed the fight, so BUUUHHH to both of you

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Me to

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I havent been able to activate moduals for 3 days :(

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Originally by: Oveur

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****! Lets nerf it!

To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Amthrianius

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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i am unhappy cause i missed the fight, so BUUUHHH to both of you

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Me to

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I havent been able to activate moduals for 3 days :(

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you are primary anyways, so why bother?

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Originally by: Oveur

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****! Lets nerf it!

To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Edited by: thoth foc on 22/12/2005 03:44:51

Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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I see two sides trying to save face.

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or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome?

F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :)

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OK lets get one thing strait a fully t1 fitted fully insured BS. yea MAJOR losses there.

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ok..

count all the digits on your hands (both), now count all the digits on ur feet (both), come back and do ur hands again(both).. (yes i mean do it for a second time) now count 1 foot again (yes count just 1 foot for a second time)

is the number your at now bigger than 1?!?

and yes that prolly hurt u more than F-E losing their ships hurt them..

bah carth.. :P

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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damn you are fast, before i edited my post hehe


Long live the Queen!

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Edited by: Robotek Hybrid on 22/12/2005 05:23:02

Originally by: thoth foc

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Edited by: thoth foc on 22/12/2005 03:44:51

Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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I see two sides trying to save face.

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or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome?

F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :)

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OK lets get one thing strait a fully t1 fitted fully insured BS. yea MAJOR losses there.

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ok..

count all the digits on your hands (both), now count all the digits on ur feet (both), come back and do ur hands again(both).. (yes i mean do it for a second time) now count 1 foot again (yes count just 1 foot for a second time)

is the number your at now bigger than 1?!?

and yes that prolly hurt u more than F-E losing their ships hurt them..

bah carth.. :P

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lol ok lets REALLY do the math 30 bs lets say teir 2 for the hell of it. thats 30 mill for 100% insurance. that comes out to 900 million isk not including thier ifttings which were likely t1 fittings b/c the ships and their fittings are given to them for free for these fleet battles. so lwets say they lost an ENTIRE 1 billion isk. HEAVEN FORBID that an alliance that mostly spends its time npc hunting an mining lose a billion isk.

not to mention it is spread out across every pilot that lost a ship so you could put it this way.

Everyone that died in a bs tonight lost 30 mill isk. bravo. Now take their stations so they cant make it back tonight.

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Maybe you should have checked some of their fittings before spouting such **** on the forums? Im seein plenty of tech II gear fitted.

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Originally by: Adamus TorK

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Originally by: thoth foc

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150+ loses for 27 odd kills?

what a victory!!

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I wonder if we had 150+ in gang LOL... well you always know better :P

Anyway, it was fun... I was albe to shoot a Relevation for about 2 min... after that the lag was terrible... Many of us's ships, weapons and densors didnt respond and some of us was crashed and stucked :P

btw, thanks for the "fight" :P

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Maybe you should have checked some of their fittings before spouting such **** on the forums? Im seein plenty of tech II gear fitted.

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so your going to argue to me that the 100 mill isk loot error margin was ... not enough?

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Originally by: Mortus Harbinger

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Edited by: Mortus Harbinger on 22/12/2005 06:14:30
Has ATUK *ever* admitted to losing a battle? That's not a flame .. it's a serious question. I see a lot of ego and excuses from most of the ATUK members who post here, but can't remember anyone saying 'good fight, we lost' ... (in this or any other threads)

Mort

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Originally by: Mortus Harbinger

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Edited by: Mortus Harbinger on 22/12/2005 06:14:30
Has ATUK *ever* admitted to losing a battle? That's not a flame .. it's a serious question. I see a lot of ego and excuses from most of the ATUK members who post here, but can't remember anyone saying 'good fight, we lost' ... (in this or any other threads)

Mort

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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just to let me get this straight, the "win" condition for this for atuk was according to FE to:

a) move into an alliance (2000+ members) mainsystem
b) to take down a large (armed, later more armed) Pos
c) to stay till all enemies are killed
d) to outblob guys who have each atleast 5-6 new ships (0-1 jump away)

while FE's "win" condition was:
a) to remain in local with a number bigger then 50.

i see what ure talking about here

tho im sure sooner or later we will reconsider controlling space again we have stated multiple times that this is not on our "todo" list. So by implying that was our goal you already lost every piece of credibility this post could have had above "gg and was alot of fun".
As stated in many other posts before (and im sure if it doesnt get locked quickly we will see some more of it), just keep telling yourself you "won", if it makes you fight more often i guess we are happy.

btw watch out for our press release coming for the freighter we moved up through your space. That makes us win eve already, as we fullfilled our goal 100% to move stuff up while u failed to interven with illegal border trade

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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No im just straight and plain proving you wrong. Damage and success isnt just measured in lost ships and modules.

A few things thing you fail to consider in the equation:
1.ratio.
Looking at our losses and then the amount of ships we killed we were more then satisfied at the outcome (I believe its almost 7:1).
2. Morale.
It seems that f-e is just happy they held the system so perhaps its not the big factor here but i'd still say 150+ losses in 1 night leaves a scar.
3. Goal
We achived what we were there to get. A fight.

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Edited by: Robotek Hybrid on 22/12/2005 06:40:48

Originally by: Carth Jared

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No im just straight and plain proving you wrong. Damage and success isnt just measured in lost ships and modules.

A few things thing you fail to consider in the equation:
1.ratio.
Looking at our losses and then the amount of ships we killed we were more then satisfied at the outcome (I believe its almost 7:1).
2. Morale.
It seems that f-e is just happy they held the system so perhaps its not the big factor here but i'd still say 150+ losses in 1 night leaves a scar.
3. Goal
We achived what we were there to get. A fight.

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wtf does that have to do with anything I wrote. read it understand it then comment. God my own nations school systems are letting me down in the form of this guy ( assuming he's American).

edit forgot to add i think your a ******* moron.

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Originally by: thoth foc

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150+ loses for 27 odd kills?

what a victory!!

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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just to let me get this straight, the "win" condition for this for atuk was according to FE to:

a) move into an alliance (2000+ members) mainsystem
b) to take down a large (armed, later more armed) Pos
c) to stay till all enemies are killed
d) to outblob guys who have each atleast 5-6 new ships (0-1 jump away)

while FE's "win" condition was:
a) to remain in local with a number bigger then 50.

i see what ure talking about here

tho im sure sooner or later we will reconsider controlling space again we have stated multiple times that this is not on our "todo" list. So by implying that was our goal you already lost every piece of credibility this post could have had above "gg and was alot of fun".
As stated in many other posts before (and im sure if it doesnt get locked quickly we will see some more of it), just keep telling yourself you "won", if it makes you fight more often i guess we are happy.

btw watch out for our press release coming for the freighter we moved up through your space. That makes us win eve already, as we fullfilled our goal 100% to move stuff up while u failed to interven with illegal border trade

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Edited by: Robotek Hybrid on 22/12/2005 06:40:48

Originally by: Carth Jared

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No im just straight and plain proving you wrong. Damage and success isnt just measured in lost ships and modules.

A few things thing you fail to consider in the equation:
1.ratio.
Looking at our losses and then the amount of ships we killed we were more then satisfied at the outcome (I believe its almost 7:1).
2. Morale.
It seems that f-e is just happy they held the system so perhaps its not the big factor here but i'd still say 150+ losses in 1 night leaves a scar.
3. Goal
We achived what we were there to get. A fight.

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wtf does that have to do with anything I wrote. read it understand it then comment. God my own nations school systems are letting me down in the form of this guy ( assuming he's American).

edit forgot to add i think your a ******* moron.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Must be nice to live in such a simplistic world where wars are won and lost strickly from kill vs loss ratio.

You guys knew the d7-zac area has been already lagged to hell. So you saw an opertunity to capitalize on that. You brought down dreads and tried to take out our pos's. We fought you off forcing your dreads to retreat back to their npc station. We did take heavy losses, but we stopped you from achieving your goal. But you had a better kill to loss ratio so you 'win'. What ever makes you feel better I guess.

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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You claim through your "omg 30 bs kills dont mean **** LOL" we didnt damage them and that we werent successful. Im arguing otherwise.

Nice going with the personal attacks btw.. your age surely shines through....

And no im not american.

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Must be nice to live in such a simplistic world where wars are won and lost strickly from kill vs loss ratio.

You guys knew the d7-zac area has been already lagged to hell. So you saw an opertunity to capitalize on that. You brought down dreads and tried to take out our pos's. We fought you off forcing your dreads to retreat back to their npc station. We did take heavy losses, but we stopped you from achieving your goal. But you had a better kill to loss ratio so you 'win'. What ever makes you feel better I guess.

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Thats just it.. You didnt..

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Must be nice to live in such a simplistic world where wars are won and lost strickly from kill vs loss ratio.

You guys knew the d7-zac area has been already lagged to hell. So you saw an opertunity to capitalize on that. You brought down dreads and tried to take out our pos's. We fought you off forcing your dreads to retreat back to their npc station. We did take heavy losses, but we stopped you from achieving your goal. But you had a better kill to loss ratio so you 'win'. What ever makes you feel better I guess.

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Thats just it.. You didnt..

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oh thats right. you guys jumped your dreads down for a leasurly stroll. I forgot.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Must be nice to live in such a simplistic world where wars are won and lost strickly from kill vs loss ratio.

You guys knew the d7-zac area has been already lagged to hell. So you saw an opertunity to capitalize on that. You brought down dreads and tried to take out our pos's. We fought you off forcing your dreads to retreat back to their npc station. We did take heavy losses, but we stopped you from achieving your goal. But you had a better kill to loss ratio so you 'win'. What ever makes you feel better I guess.

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Originally by: Vina

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Must be nice to live in such a simplistic world where wars are won and lost strickly from kill vs loss ratio.

You guys knew the d7-zac area has been already lagged to hell. So you saw an opertunity to capitalize on that. You brought down dreads and tried to take out our pos's. We fought you off forcing your dreads to retreat back to their npc station. We did take heavy losses, but we stopped you from achieving your goal. But you had a better kill to loss ratio so you 'win'. What ever makes you feel better I guess.

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If you think the lag was helpful to the dreads, you're retarded.

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Im not seeing where I said you werent successful..

What your not seeing is where I danced around the fact that your fighting an industrial alliance whose most powerfull weapon is throwing ppl in bs's at you because they can soak the damage. While im arguing pure numbers your claiming victory for inflicting morale blows.

ps: I luv the counter personal attacks were they actual personal attacks, but ofc we'll all IC


hehehe I should be forced to join ATUK the amount im posting tongiht

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Originally by: EL TITAN

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Edited by: EL TITAN on 22/12/2005 02:31:45

Originally by: Obidios

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Edited by: Obidios on 22/12/2005 01:22:33
Funny idea of victory... Loose double the BS + untolds more and don't kil a dread? lol.

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actually, we killed just about 40 battleships, and lost 14 battleships. We also lost about 10-15 support, and killed about 50+ support.

We did outnumber them in battleships, however the fight which was at their pos btw, with them RIGHT on top of us, so it was a big mess of purple and red mixed in together. Also not to mention their POS was shooting us, ( oh and it hurt! took me to structure twice ;o )

All in all, we easily killed 100+ enemy and lost about 25-30 ships. it was lots of fun ;o

gf fe ;o

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Originally by: pershphanie

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oh thats right. you guys jumped your dreads down for a leasurly stroll. I forgot.

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 07:57:39

Originally by: pershphanie

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oh thats right. you guys jumped your dreads down for a leasurly stroll. I forgot.

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Excuse me, im not inform that good about leaders in f-E. are you one of them...if so, that explain a lot.

You act as if you try to be truth spokmen trying to cut smack by your members and all the time you put so stupid and sarcastic and whatever you might call it..comments (like we fought because we relied on Lag)

Btw, Dont you think that in those hours we would help dreads to shoot that Pos with several BS at least?...No. there was 4 dreads , we pulled you out, we killed.

Such anoying hypocrit person you become or allways you were (I go for option B)
And yes, this is smack...well, guess what, our smacking comes from pilots mostly....and In F-E those that are in charge surprise me a lot with stupidity and stubernes of ppl mind

EDIT: Ah, yes, forgat wwhy i quoted VINA's post...yes persh defo look like retarted more and more, tbh

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Excuse me, im not inform that good about leaders in f-E. are you one of them...if so, that explain a lot.

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Originally by: Darcuese

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You act as if you try to be truth spokmen trying to cut smack by your members and all the time you put so stupid and sarcastic and whatever you might call it..comments (like we fought because we relied on Lag)

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Such anoying hypocrit person you become or allways you were (I go for option B)
And yes, this is smack...well, guess what, our smacking comes from pilots mostly....and In F-E those that are in charge surprise me a lot with stupidity and stubernes of ppl mind

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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I dont see the personal attacks as IC but i do see a difference between calling someone a ******* moron and recognising their age.

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Originally by: Darcuese

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EDIT: Ah, yes, forgat wwhy i quoted VINA's post...yes persh defo look like retarted more and more, tbh

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Originally by: Monarch

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Edited by: Monarch on 22/12/2005 07:29:39

Stop comphuzing them with FACTS

Besides we are DEVS we dont have lag when we play.

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Originally by: n00b script0r

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OMG.

I see alot of assumtions and number talk in this thread, so let me tell you what we wanted to do.

We wanted to have some fun, we got fed up of gate camping while 100+ FE within 4 systems just docked.

So this is what we are going to do from now on. We will bring dreads to shoot your systems up. if we need 1 we will bring 1, if we need 10 we will bring 10, whatever it takes to destroty the POS's in the system of choice. Should you chose not to defend your space as you have done soooooo many times in the past, then we will take the POS's down. Should you chose to actualy defend your space like last night instead of being *****s like PA, then maybe we can cut some of this smack bull**** out, as respect may of been earned.

So in conclusions
Did we win? - depends on how you look at it
Did we have fun? - Yes, and it is after all a game and not a RL war simulator to be taken seriously.


Script

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Originally by: n00b script0r

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OMG.

I see alot of assumtions and number talk in this thread, so let me tell you what we wanted to do.

We wanted to have some fun, we got fed up of gate camping while 100+ FE within 4 systems just docked.

So this is what we are going to do from now on. We will bring dreads to shoot your systems up. if we need 1 we will bring 1, if we need 10 we will bring 10, whatever it takes to destroty the POS's in the system of choice. Should you chose not to defend your space as you have done soooooo many times in the past, then we will take the POS's down. Should you chose to actualy defend your space like last night instead of being *****s like PA, then maybe we can cut some of this smack bull**** out, as respect may of been earned.

So in conclusions
Did we win? - depends on how you look at it
Did we have fun? - Yes, and it is after all a game and not a RL war simulator to be taken seriously.


Script

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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I dont see the personal attacks as IC but i do see a difference between calling someone a ******* moron and recognising their age.

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Originally by: Darcuese

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EDIT: Ah, yes, forgat wwhy i quoted VINA's post...yes persh defo look like retarted more and more, tbh

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GG.

Point well taken Carth. Im so glad atuk are on this valant crusade against name calling and smacktalk.

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Edited by: Carth Jared on 22/12/2005 08:20:24

Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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I dont see the personal attacks as IC but i do see a difference between calling someone a ******* moron and recognising their age.

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Originally by: Darcuese

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EDIT: Ah, yes, forgat wwhy i quoted VINA's post...yes persh defo look like retarted more and more, tbh

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GG.

Point well taken Carth. Im so glad atuk are on this valant crusade against name calling and smacktalk.

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.......What?...

ATUK doesnt have a no smack talk policy, each member is free to speak. I dislike personal attacks but that doesnt mean others in the corp dont....

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Originally by: n00b script0r

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OMG.

I see alot of assumtions and number talk in this thread, so let me tell you what we wanted to do.

We wanted to have some fun, we got fed up of gate camping while 100+ FE within 4 systems just docked.

So this is what we are going to do from now on. We will bring dreads to shoot your systems up. if we need 1 we will bring 1, if we need 10 we will bring 10, whatever it takes to destroty the POS's in the system of choice. Should you chose not to defend your space as you have done soooooo many times in the past, then we will take the POS's down. Should you chose to actualy defend your space like last night instead of being *****s like PA, then maybe we can cut some of this smack bull**** out, as respect may of been earned.

So in conclusions
Did we win? - depends on how you look at it
Did we have fun? - Yes, and it is after all a game and not a RL war simulator to be taken seriously.


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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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So personal attacks are fine when your corp members do it, but when other people do it to you its not ok? I understand.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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b) to take down a large (armed, later more armed) Pos

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Originally by: pershphanie

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So personal attacks are fine when your corp members do it, but when other people do it to you its not ok? I understand.

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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b) to take down a large (armed, later more armed) Pos

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Just to get clarify something for myself, was it a Large or a Small POS that was attacked? I ask just ask for confirmation because i noticed this from another post. Nothing major of/c.

[ 2005.12.21 22:19:16 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Control Tower Small [CDI]<F-E> places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 1973.4 damage.

Nice wee brawling fight from the sounds, hope y'all had fun.

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 08:32:25

Originally by: pershphanie

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So personal attacks are fine when your corp members do it, but when other people do it to you its not ok? I understand.

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Personal attack are not ok and that why I admited i was smacking there.
But Im ok with showing myself in a bad light just to be able to tell you few things...and here is the only place i can do it...or would you like me to have personal convo or on local?...I guess not.

I havent twisted anything in my posts the way you tried so many times...and that is why not many posts of mine were taken as quotes by your members in the way your posts did.

So there, this is my personal opinion just for you, you and you...and that is . You Evil person

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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b) to take down a large (armed, later more armed) Pos

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Just to get clarify something for myself, was it a Large or a Small POS that was attacked? I ask just ask for confirmation because i noticed this from another post. Nothing major of/c.

[ 2005.12.21 22:19:16 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Control Tower Small [CDI]<F-E> places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 1973.4 damage.

Nice wee brawling fight from the sounds, hope y'all had fun.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Must be nice to live in such a simplistic world where wars are won and lost strickly from kill vs loss ratio.

You guys knew the d7-zac area has been already lagged to hell. So you saw an opertunity to capitalize on that. You brought down dreads and tried to take out our pos's. We fought you off forcing your dreads to retreat back to their npc station. We did take heavy losses, but we stopped you from achieving your goal. But you had a better kill to loss ratio so you 'win'. What ever makes you feel better I guess.

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Thats just it.. You didnt..

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oh thats right. you guys jumped your dreads down for a leasurly stroll. I forgot.

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Originally by: Yzman Shhan

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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b) to take down a large (armed, later more armed) Pos

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Just to get clarify something for myself, was it a Large or a Small POS that was attacked? I ask just ask for confirmation because i noticed this from another post. Nothing major of/c.

[ 2005.12.21 22:19:16 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Control Tower Small [CDI]<F-E> places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 1973.4 damage.

Nice wee brawling fight from the sounds, hope y'all had fun.

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It was a small POS that as far as I know didn't have ammo at first.

Oh the fun The first engagement was bearable at the h-w gate but the POS engagement for me went like:

Warp in, 3 minutes to see anything
See the dread, lock (3 minutes)
Fire at the dread (2-3 minutes for guns to activate)
See .5. warp their fleet in, deactivate guns on dread (5 minutes)
Wait 5-6 minutes, screen freezes (guns reloading while blinking red)
Screen refreshes with 3 frames one showing "ship is out of control", after this nothing again happens except me being booted to desktop
Relogin, takes 15 minutes to get in game and see nothing but pod hp going down
CTD, relogin to find myself at a cloning station

I hope it was more fun to others though, I didn't especially like losing my Muninn due to the above.. The killmail had only one attacker and I was aligned. I bet normally I would have made it out with just a dent in armor at most...

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Edited by: Robotek Hybrid on 22/12/2005 06:50:05

Originally by: ZedLey

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wow you got nothing else to respond with than a personal attack. Must suck to be you.

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your in atuk Id say it doesnt suck as much to be me than you then. cry me a river ya bunch of chavs.


edit. love how you always fall back on the " your not allowed to do that " rules

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Originally by: Adamus TorK

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Originally by: thoth foc

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150+ loses for 27 odd kills?

what a victory!!

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I wonder if we had 150+ in gang LOL... well you always know better :P

Anyway, it was fun... I was albe to shoot a Relevation for about 2 min... after that the lag was terrible... Many of us's ships, weapons and densors didnt respond and some of us was crashed and stucked :P

btw, thanks for the "fight" :P

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Maybe you should have checked some of their fittings before spouting such **** on the forums? Im seein plenty of tech II gear fitted.

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so your going to argue to me that the 100 mill isk loot error margin was ... not enough?

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Originally by: Smith

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Was a great fight last night. It was indeed a ATuk minor defeat but I am disappointed at how F-Es Lamb Chop almost passes this off as a minor incident. This battle was one of the largest battles on record. Some truths were missed out on the statement. The initial battle at the gate was unfightalbe due to some sort of electrical interference. Most likely left by the Jumpins from the Dreads.

The second battle only occured at the POS because we had to save a dread what ever the losses. It soon became clear though that as the battle raged on we found ourselves overwhelming the F-E forces. I can only put that down to dicipline and better leadership because I was pretty convinced we were all going to die.

The final major skirmishes at a jumpgate was also successful but in the end ammo and tiredness from the long battle was begining to tell.

As more F-E forces swarmed in it became clear that despite inflicting massive casualties on the enemy, ATuk had to withdraw or face being annialated. I salute the dead.

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Originally by: Fedaykin Naib

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wow.... i would never have thought myself to say this but go pershphanie!!! way to take on the five forum blob on your own.

Man only if they could get you on there side, then maybe CCP would have a reason to change the title of this forum from the Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussion to ATUKOWNZALLANYYALLBETTERBELIEVEIT discussion.

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Originally by: pershphanie

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So personal attacks are fine when your corp members do it, but when other people do it to you its not ok? I understand.

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Sigh.... No i dont think its ever allright to resort to personal attacks. But i bet you wont believe that right....

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Originally by: Kerosene

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Nice work repelling them F-E. I might suggest you start going on the offensive a bit more against them now.

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Originally by: Tholarim

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And i don't mind being dispised.

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Originally by: Aman Sul

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Edited by: Aman Sul on 22/12/2005 06:23:33
Yeah we lost a few.

pershphanie

The diference in BS numbers could have easily been made up by the large number of cruisers and Frigs you had. The difference wasnt that big to beguin with. Our fleet in D7 was never above 48 (not counting dreads or support craft outside the system). So we where outnumbered and outgunned through out both engagements. Plus both fights where close range.

After seeing kill totals you cant blame us for seeing this post as an invitation to flame. F-E victory indeed.

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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly

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From an outsiders pov what I am interested in is:

How much better was the fight post RMR, was there less lag then before ?
Has the game become more enjoyable ?

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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly

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From an outsiders pov what I am interested in is:

How much better was the fight post RMR, was there less lag then before ?
Has the game become more enjoyable ?

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Originally by: Manira

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Ok, let me tell what really happen, I was the dreadnought pilot who stayed in fight for 15 mins, due to seige mode activation, you guys atacked me, and i had no other choise to turn my second armor rep on, and activate yet another siege module cycle. I had no problem tanking gou guys, only lag was stupid (4min or something). Due i was not able to jump, (you need 75% cap), Rest of the fleet asisted me, cleaning you guys down, while 80% of you guys was still atacking me. Basicly POS licked out with like 50% shields left

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Yzman Shhan

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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b) to take down a large (armed, later more armed) Pos

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Just to get clarify something for myself, was it a Large or a Small POS that was attacked? I ask just ask for confirmation because i noticed this from another post. Nothing major of/c.

[ 2005.12.21 22:19:16 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Control Tower Small [CDI]<F-E> places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 1973.4 damage.

Nice wee brawling fight from the sounds, hope y'all had fun.

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It was a small POS that as far as I know didn't have ammo at first.

Oh the fun The first engagement was bearable at the h-w gate but the POS engagement for me went like:

Warp in, 3 minutes to see anything
See the dread, lock (3 minutes)
Fire at the dread (2-3 minutes for guns to activate)
See .5. warp their fleet in, deactivate guns on dread (5 minutes)
Wait 5-6 minutes, screen freezes (guns reloading while blinking red)
Screen refreshes with 3 frames one showing "ship is out of control", after this nothing again happens except me being booted to desktop
Relogin, takes 15 minutes to get in game and see nothing but pod hp going down
CTD, relogin to find myself at a cloning station

I hope it was more fun to others though, I didn't especially like losing my Muninn due to the above.. The killmail had only one attacker and I was aligned. I bet normally I would have made it out with just a dent in armor at most...

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Originally by: Fire Hawk

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I will not flame on the victory discussion but will point facts :

- ATUK pwned 3 alliances forces trying to save their POS
- Lies lies lies, POS was heavly ARMED and all ATUK brave pilots warped to the POS to support the dreads when all enemy forces tried to kill one
- ATUK wasnt hurted at all and can do another fight like this, and another one, and anoth... And the enemy ?

- The enemy camp proved that they still merged and the defence of their space was very honorable, with pilots killed and immediatly on road to refit

I'm not surprised to see a propaganda post right after the ridiculous position where was the enemy camp. Smells like FA at the end... ?

ATUK love your space and will definitly have it, surrender while it's possible and be nice mining pets, or die again and again and again...

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 10:03:11
Last Persh post@

yes you are.
No joke gonna change it unfortunatly...tbh.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Looking at the [5] killboard, its clear to me that [5] won, and slapped F-E all over the place.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 10:03:11
Last Persh post@

yes you are.
No joke gonna change it unfortunatly...tbh.

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You would have been amusing if you had a modicum of intelligence. Now we just point and laugh at you like we point and laugh at the monkeys flingin their own poo at the zoo.

A person who can't spell, has no grammar to speak of and makes disjointed statements that barely make any sense, is not fit to call someone else retarded.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Looking at the [5] killboard, its clear to me that [5] won, and slapped F-E all over the place.

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On the same topic, laooking at the corp name under your sig, it is clear to me that BoB pwned you and you quit EXO in shame. Therfore you lost

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Looking at the [5] killboard, its clear to me that [5] won, and slapped F-E all over the place.

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On the same topic, laooking at the corp name under your sig, it is clear to me that BoB pwned you and you quit EXO in shame. Therfore you lost

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Bob owned ME? So I left a CORP, therefore I Lost? Right..... Do u want to buy a clue?

I Lost? Lost at what? Ive killed 7 bs and 2 hacs in like the last 3 days solo. Pff what a loser.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 10:03:11
Last Persh post@

yes you are.
No joke gonna change it unfortunatly...tbh.

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You would have been amusing if you had a modicum of intelligence. Now we just point and laugh at you like we point and laugh at the monkeys flingin their own poo at the zoo.

A person who can't spell, has no grammar to speak of and makes disjointed statements that barely make any sense, is not fit to call someone else retarded.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Looking at the [5] killboard, its clear to me that [5] won, and slapped F-E all over the place.

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On the same topic, laooking at the corp name under your sig, it is clear to me that BoB pwned you and you quit EXO in shame. Therfore you lost

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Bob owned ME? So I left a CORP, therefore I Lost? Right..... Do u want to buy a clue?

I Lost? Lost at what? Ive killed 7 bs and 2 hacs in like the last 3 days solo. Pff what a loser.

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I was just joking mate. No need to blow your gasket over it. Oh and on a more serious note, are you praising ATUK so you can join them next?

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Edited by: Darko1107 on 22/12/2005 11:46:01

Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Looking at the [5] killboard, its clear to me that [5] won, and slapped F-E all over the place.

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On the same topic, laooking at the corp name under your sig, it is clear to me that BoB pwned you and you quit EXO in shame. Therfore you lost

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Bob owned ME? So I left a CORP, therefore I Lost? Right..... Do u want to buy a clue?

I Lost? Lost at what? Ive killed 7 bs and 2 hacs in like the last 3 days solo. Pff what a loser.

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I was just joking mate. No need to blow your gasket over it. Oh and on a more serious note, are you praising ATUK so you can join them next?

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Nah i already applied, they said no. (Obviously a joke since I hate them :P). And no, im praising ATUK cos they won, and i hate FE ever since you let unicor in (More than I hate atuk).

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Grim Savage

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The alliance(s) that are left to pick up the cans after the battle wins.

That way, it is easy to determine who win.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Edited by: Darko1107 on 22/12/2005 11:46:01

Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Looking at the [5] killboard, its clear to me that [5] won, and slapped F-E all over the place.

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On the same topic, laooking at the corp name under your sig, it is clear to me that BoB pwned you and you quit EXO in shame. Therfore you lost

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Bob owned ME? So I left a CORP, therefore I Lost? Right..... Do u want to buy a clue?

I Lost? Lost at what? Ive killed 7 bs and 2 hacs in like the last 3 days solo. Pff what a loser.

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I was just joking mate. No need to blow your gasket over it. Oh and on a more serious note, are you praising ATUK so you can join them next?

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Nah i already applied, they said no. (Obviously a joke since I hate them :P). And no, im praising ATUK cos they won, and i hate FE ever since you let unicor in (More than I hate atuk).

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You hate UNICOR? If I recall correctly, you had no trouble teaming up with them to attack the PA and If my memory serves me right, you had no problems not helping them when they were being pummeled by both PA and TPS and then they died. If anything, they should be ****ed at you cos if it wasnt for them showing their support for CoD and FU in attacking the PA, they might still have been around.

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Originally by: Vince Draken

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Edited by: Vince Draken on 22/12/2005 11:45:10

Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 10:03:11
Last Persh post@

yes you are.
No joke gonna change it unfortunatly...tbh.

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You would have been amusing if you had a modicum of intelligence. Now we just point and laugh at you like we point and laugh at the monkeys flingin their own poo at the zoo.

A person who can't spell, has no grammar to speak of and makes disjointed statements that barely make any sense, is not fit to call someone else retarded.

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I thought it was long since agree'd/decided that we (eve community) wouldnt resort to critiqing grammer/spelling since Eve is a multination game...

looks kinda petty tbh

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Edited by: Darko1107 on 22/12/2005 11:46:01

Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Looking at the [5] killboard, its clear to me that [5] won, and slapped F-E all over the place.

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On the same topic, laooking at the corp name under your sig, it is clear to me that BoB pwned you and you quit EXO in shame. Therfore you lost

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Bob owned ME? So I left a CORP, therefore I Lost? Right..... Do u want to buy a clue?

I Lost? Lost at what? Ive killed 7 bs and 2 hacs in like the last 3 days solo. Pff what a loser.

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I was just joking mate. No need to blow your gasket over it. Oh and on a more serious note, are you praising ATUK so you can join them next?

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Nah i already applied, they said no. (Obviously a joke since I hate them :P). And no, im praising ATUK cos they won, and i hate FE ever since you let unicor in (More than I hate atuk).

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You hate UNICOR? If I recall correctly, you had no trouble teaming up with them to attack the PA and If my memory serves me right, you had no problems not helping them when they were being pummeled by both PA and TPS and then they died. If anything, they should be ****ed at you cos if it wasnt for them showing their support for CoD and FU in attacking the PA, they might still have been around.

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Erm, might reign of terror started after the PA war, so i really dont know what your talking about :P. And i was around in the NSA vrs BoB war, they might aswell not have been in NSA, because they did **** all. But i dont wanna go into all that thx :P.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Vince Draken

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Edited by: Vince Draken on 22/12/2005 11:45:10

Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 10:03:11
Last Persh post@

yes you are.
No joke gonna change it unfortunatly...tbh.

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You would have been amusing if you had a modicum of intelligence. Now we just point and laugh at you like we point and laugh at the monkeys flingin their own poo at the zoo.

A person who can't spell, has no grammar to speak of and makes disjointed statements that barely make any sense, is not fit to call someone else retarded.

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I thought it was long since agree'd/decided that we (eve community) wouldnt resort to critiqing grammer/spelling since Eve is a multination game...

looks kinda petty tbh

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Vince I'm sorry Ive had to use spelling and grammar as an insult but why was Darc calling Persh a retard, if he couldn't even spell retard right.

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 11:40:40

Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 10:03:11
Last Persh post@

yes you are.
No joke gonna change it unfortunatly...tbh.

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You would have been amusing if you had a modicum of intelligence. Now we just point and laugh at you like we point and laugh at the monkeys flingin their own poo at the zoo.

A person who can't spell, has no grammar to speak of and makes disjointed statements that barely make any sense, is not fit to call someone else retarded.

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Yes, I feel so bad for not being good with grammar,etc,etc in language that is not my native

Glad you share us the reason for you going to ZOO... to point and laugh at the monkeys flingin their own poo at the zoo..lol, pathetic

I hope you dont have any kids..for their sake

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Grim Savage

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The alliance(s) that are left to pick up the cans after the battle wins.

That way, it is easy to determine who win.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Vince Draken

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Edited by: Vince Draken on 22/12/2005 11:45:10

Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 22/12/2005 10:03:11
Last Persh post@

yes you are.
No joke gonna change it unfortunatly...tbh.

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You would have been amusing if you had a modicum of intelligence. Now we just point and laugh at you like we point and laugh at the monkeys flingin their own poo at the zoo.

A person who can't spell, has no grammar to speak of and makes disjointed statements that barely make any sense, is not fit to call someone else retarded.

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I thought it was long since agree'd/decided that we (eve community) wouldnt resort to critiqing grammer/spelling since Eve is a multination game...

looks kinda petty tbh

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Vince I'm sorry Ive had to use spelling and grammar as an insult but why was Darc calling Persh a retard, if he couldn't even spell retard right.

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Well im exagerating, its mostly just EV/DVRN I dont like, and a bit of MLM though now i think they are okish. And hating F-E, its mostly because they try and say they WON fights like this... Its so Alex Belani like, so NSA like.

You would do yourselfs a world of good by saying, "Ok, i lead the battle, we lost, it was my fault, now how can we improve this" Instead you convince yourself you won it, and get no better at all.

(Im just assumining you think you won it, i havent read the rest of the thread, apologies if im wrong.)

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Slaveabuser

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Edited by: Slaveabuser on 22/12/2005 12:00:42
Edited by: Slaveabuser on 22/12/2005 11:59:47

Originally by: Darken Two

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Vince I'm sorry Ive had to use spelling and grammar as an insult but why was Darc calling Persh a retard, if he couldn't even spell retard right.

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Because English is not his native tounge? Like most of the players on EVE I would belive.

Edit : He should have called you a retard as well.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Well im exagerating, its mostly just EV/DVRN I dont like, and a bit of MLM though now i think they are okish. And hating F-E, its mostly because they try and say they WON fights like this... Its so Alex Belani like, so NSA like.

You would do yourselfs a world of good by saying, "Ok, i lead the battle, we lost, it was my fault, now how can we improve this" Instead you convince yourself you won it, and get no better at all.

(Im just assumining you think you won it, i havent read the rest of the thread, apologies if im wrong.)

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Actually, read closer, we said we lost more ships but our objective was to save the POS, which we succeded in doing, which constitutes a victory for us. ATUK won cos they came looking for a fight, they got it, and they got more kills than us. By the sounds of it, both sides picked up loot as well.

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Well im exagerating, its mostly just EV/DVRN I dont like, and a bit of MLM though now i think they are okish. And hating F-E, its mostly because they try and say they WON fights like this... Its so Alex Belani like, so NSA like.

You would do yourselfs a world of good by saying, "Ok, i lead the battle, we lost, it was my fault, now how can we improve this" Instead you convince yourself you won it, and get no better at all.

(Im just assumining you think you won it, i havent read the rest of the thread, apologies if im wrong.)

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Actually, read closer, we said we lost more ships but our objective was to save the POS, which we succeded in doing, which constitutes a victory for us. ATUK won cos they came looking for a fight, they got it, and they got more kills than us. By the sounds of it, both sides picked up loot as well.

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Yeh but that aint the pt, are you guna grill your commanders for losing 40 bs, and only killing 14? Cos thats herendous, if that was me leading it, I'd quit leading forever and probly seek counciling :P.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Vince Draken

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I can agree with you there. Name calling is counter productive for both sides, hehe.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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So what you're saying is that its ok for him to call people reatrds, but its not ok for us to make fun of his spelling while he's doing so. Please explain why I should follow that rule?

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Well im exagerating, its mostly just EV/DVRN I dont like, and a bit of MLM though now i think they are okish. And hating F-E, its mostly because they try and say they WON fights like this... Its so Alex Belani like, so NSA like.

You would do yourselfs a world of good by saying, "Ok, i lead the battle, we lost, it was my fault, now how can we improve this" Instead you convince yourself you won it, and get no better at all.

(Im just assumining you think you won it, i havent read the rest of the thread, apologies if im wrong.)

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Actually, read closer, we said we lost more ships but our objective was to save the POS, which we succeded in doing, which constitutes a victory for us. ATUK won cos they came looking for a fight, they got it, and they got more kills than us. By the sounds of it, both sides picked up loot as well.

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Yeh but that aint the pt, are you guna grill your commanders for losing 40 bs, and only killing 14? Cos thats herendous, if that was me leading it, I'd quit leading forever and probly seek counciling :P.

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Lag dude and lots of it. Plus we had to scramble a fleet on very short notice, these kinda things happen. I'm not gonna get all worked up over some ships lost. Theres no guarentee in eve that things will go your way even when you have the advantage. If a 2000man alliance, got all worked up about 40 ships lost, I would be seriously worried about the survivabilty of the alliance. The will to fight is all that matters, not the number of ships lost.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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So what you're saying is that its ok for him to call people reatrds, but its not ok for us to make fun of his spelling while he's doing so. Please explain why I should follow that rule?

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Well im exagerating, its mostly just EV/DVRN I dont like, and a bit of MLM though now i think they are okish. And hating F-E, its mostly because they try and say they WON fights like this... Its so Alex Belani like, so NSA like.

You would do yourselfs a world of good by saying, "Ok, i lead the battle, we lost, it was my fault, now how can we improve this" Instead you convince yourself you won it, and get no better at all.

(Im just assumining you think you won it, i havent read the rest of the thread, apologies if im wrong.)

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Actually, read closer, we said we lost more ships but our objective was to save the POS, which we succeded in doing, which constitutes a victory for us. ATUK won cos they came looking for a fight, they got it, and they got more kills than us. By the sounds of it, both sides picked up loot as well.

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Yeh but that aint the pt, are you guna grill your commanders for losing 40 bs, and only killing 14? Cos thats herendous, if that was me leading it, I'd quit leading forever and probly seek counciling :P.

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Lag dude and lots of it. Plus we had to scramble a fleet on very short notice, these kinda things happen. I'm not gonna get all worked up over some ships lost. Theres no guarentee in eve that things will go your way even when you have the advantage. If a 2000man alliance, got all worked up about 40 ships lost, I would be seriously worried about the survivabilty of the alliance. The will to fight is all that matters, not the number of ships lost.

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See im all about bettering myself/corp/alliance. I'd rather get rid of a load of members and have a nice fighting force that wins than have a load of people willing to help out and lose all the time.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Naphtalia

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According to my calculations (mods+insurancepayout+insurance+shipcost) damage received:

F-E: ~1400Mil
ATUK: ~1100Mil

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Originally by: Slaveabuser

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Originally by: Darken Two

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So what you're saying is that its ok for him to call people reatrds, but its not ok for us to make fun of his spelling while he's doing so. Please explain why I should follow that rule?

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Because he felt that it was his duty to inform the person that he was acting like a retard....a simple way of saying
I'm not to fond of you

But correcting grammar is something different. A person may be dyslectic or as mentioned earlier they may come from a non English speaking country.

I tell you what, the day you speak and write as good Norwegian as I speak and write English you are welcome to comment my spelling.Untill then lets all leave each others
launguage skills out of this.

Anyhow, its Christmas now so......merry Christmas.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Try another line of reasoning bud cos that aint gonna fly.

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Originally by: Slaveabuser

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Try another line of reasoning bud cos that aint gonna fly.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Fire Hawk

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I will not flame on the victory discussion but will point facts :

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Well im exagerating, its mostly just EV/DVRN I dont like, and a bit of MLM though now i think they are okish. And hating F-E, its mostly because they try and say they WON fights like this... Its so Alex Belani like, so NSA like.

You would do yourselfs a world of good by saying, "Ok, i lead the battle, we lost, it was my fault, now how can we improve this" Instead you convince yourself you won it, and get no better at all.

(Im just assumining you think you won it, i havent read the rest of the thread, apologies if im wrong.)

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Originally by: Naphtalia

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According to my calculations (mods+insurancepayout+insurance+shipcost) damage received:

F-E: ~1400Mil
ATUK: ~1100Mil

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Any costs of implant lost implemented in those calculation?..Joke

Btw, do you guys (both friends and hostiles) use those as automatic calculation from killboard or do some calculation of your own?

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Ps. I'm Asian and I speak six different languages. Dont lecture me about the difficulty of using a second language.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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lol even better so you break your own rules. BTW I speak six languages and english aint my first language either. Dont see me using that as an excuse do ya.

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Originally by: Slaveabuser

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Originally by: Darken Two

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lol even better so you break your own rules. BTW I speak six languages and english aint my first language either. Dont see me using that as an excuse do ya.

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If you truly are a fellow linguist then I would suggest you work on your grammar and not boast around about how many languages you may or may not speak.

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