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asher n	Posted - 2005.12.24 09:25:00 - [31] No surprise here. If someone wins a BPO the system doesnt remember that, they have no disadvantage for the next one that comes out (except the lp loss on that agent) If someone wins a bpo they pretty much have the same chance as everyone else the next time. If you flip a coin and it comes up tails its just as likely to come up tails again as it is heads. If things like this DIDNT happen id be questioning the system. By the way, its impossible to generate truly random numbers.
Justus Imperius	Posted - 2005.12.24 09:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Jayalin Originally by: Justus Imperius 1 thing I'm a bit worried about is: I had a corpmate who left the game for a month ( subscription ended ) and when he came back he had a BPO offer. There could possibly be TONS of bpo's out there tied up in inactive accounts. Also if your account is inactive you still gain RP. If the offer isn't accepted within a week, it gets put back into the system. This way, there are no inactive accounts sitting on all the BPOs. :) :D wow then my corpmate musta been lucky +1
Justus Imperius	Posted - 2005.12.24 09:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik Originally by: Jayalin Originally by: Coco Cocomoonik Are you telling me that I can create two more chars besides my main and have all three bring in RP each day? That would increase my chance of winning a BPO rather than having only my main doing research, correct? Yep. I find this slightly bothersome, myself, but it is quite valid. :) Well I didn't know you could do this. I'll have to try it. Shall we call this unfair? maybe not, maybe so. At least I can have all my three chars train a skill, so this doesn't sound all that bad. Well cant really call it unfair, everyone has the opportunity to do it.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.12.24 09:32:00 - [34] You can't tell from a single incident whether the lottery system is flawed or not - Felicity winning two bpo's is a striking coincidence, but could happen. On the other hand, there have been SO many instances of people winning multiple bpo's, or multiple copies of the same bpo, that it's just ridiculous to suppose that could be random coincidence. There's a limit to how unlikely something can be and we still attribute it to random causes. It is much more likely that the lottery system is flawed, and keeps picking the same people over and over. "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Coco Cocomoonik	Posted - 2005.12.24 09:32:00 - [35] Edited by: Coco Cocomoonik on 24/12/2005 09:32:57 Did you catch my sarcasm? If I can't have my char on the same account train a skill while my main is also training a skill, why should I be able to collect RP from research agents from all three chars? BTW, this is my alt. Keep forgetting to switch. Arlenik Emmanouelik.
Ra Marr	Posted - 2005.12.24 09:43:00 - [36] Congrats Felicity Glimmer with the Lotto win
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.24 09:44:00 - [37] Thats the wonderful thing. No matter what stupid combo happens, it can all be explained away by randomess. One person with 75billion RP never gets an offer? Random. One person with 30 RP on 5 agents gets 5 offers? Random. One thing is for sure, theres enough circumstantial evidence about to make me sad.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.24 09:52:00 - [38] there are known exploits in the system i wont say what but there are those that use em Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
Arlenik Emmanouelik	Posted - 2005.12.24 10:03:00 - [39] Originally by: sonofollo there are known exploits in the system i wont say what but there are those that use em You're not helping. If there is an exploit people would be winning hundreds of BPOs, not 7.
BlackHole Bob	Posted - 2005.12.24 10:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Justus Imperius Two lame things: Trevedian has won 7 t2 bpos. Felicity Glimmer won both Recon ship BPOs and I dont know what else. uhhh thats like wrong...if its true.. 7 tech II bpo's?....my roomates been in the lottery for a few months now and has zero ..LOL where is the lottery commission to inspect the fairness...LOL

Geoff W	Posted - 2005.12.24 10:31:00 - [41] Originally by: Dr Brains Edited by: Dr Brains on 24/12/2005 09:30:19 7 BPOs to same guy Trev has been playing for a long time, there not all RMR BPO's
Jags	Posted - 2005.12.24 10:40:00 - [42] If one person won both BPOs for one type of cruiser then I would be questioning things but since it was for 2 different types of cruiser from wildly different agents then I see no issue here. Just doesnt hide the fact that he is one lucky bastard
Embattle	Posted - 2005.12.24 10:43:00 - [43] Diminishing returns, the more you win the less chance you should have. ----------- Trolling - Ban - All I got was this silly Hat.
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.12.24 10:49:00 - [44] So we've sunk to actually moaning about other people's good luck in the general forum now have we? Not enough to whine about lag, nerfs, missions, griefers and pirates but we're actually now posting because someone else has been exceptionally lucky and we have not? Get a life, it's a totally random system which means yes it's most definitely possible and actually quite probable that people will get that lucky and maybe even luckier at times. What kind of selfish bad sportsmanship is it when because you know of someone who got lucky twice you cry about it in public instead of just wishing them well? Omg h4x - there was a totally random output from that totally random system then!! How unexpected! Eve Blacklight Style
Miramax	Posted - 2005.12.24 10:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Blacklight So we've sunk to actually moaning about other people's good luck in the general forum now have we? Not enough to whine about lag, nerfs, missions, griefers and pirates but we're actually now posting because someone else has been exceptionally lucky and we have not? Get a life, it's a totally random system which means yes it's most definitely possible and actually quite probable that people will get that lucky and maybe even luckier at times. What kind of selfish bad sportsmanship is it when because you know of someone who got lucky twice you cry about it in public instead of just wishing them well? Omg h4x - there was a totally random output from that totally random system then!! How unexpected! its been a point of discussion since they implemented it into the game
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2005.12.24 10:54:00 - [46] i want to die ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.24 10:59:00 - [47] Originally by: CT BadIronTree i want to die /me waves hands around in front of BIT You do not want to die, you want to start a mercenary corp dedicated to exorting extremely lucky tech2 producers that overcharge... You want to force them to give up one free ship per week for you to distribute amongst the poor. Rooks and Huggins especially are welcome...Rod Blaine is very very poor and deserves one of each of those at minimum...you WILL now forget all I said but feel teeribly empowered to do what I suggested... Soooo BIT, how's life ? _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Rod Blaine Rod Blaine is very very poor and deserves one of each of those at minimum... ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Edison Frisk	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:16:00 - [49] Edited by: Edison Frisk on 24/12/2005 11:19:31 Edited by: Edison Frisk on 24/12/2005 11:17:32 Originally by: High Sierra one lottery ticket in the National lottery in the uk gives you a 14million to 1 chance of winning the jackpot. 100 tickets gives you one hundred 14million to 1 chances. its just totally arbritrary as to who will win, but it is more likely the person with 100 tickets will win because they have more chances to win. I've only just started research myself and I have a sum total of 45 RP's today. Whilst it is not likely, theres always a chance I will get something. possibly a nice pen set or cuddly toy. a blankety blank cheque book and pen!!.......ooooh showing my age here oooh oooh or like on bullseye when they win the 101 or more with 10 darts they always got a holiday to somewhere crap like skegness, but when they lost good ol Jim Bowen 'look at what you could have won...' and out came the ú50000 speedboat
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:17:00 - [50] Like I said in the other thread, I have a level 2 agent in Amarrian Starship Design for over a year now, have about 30k RP and still no offer yet. It's unfair . ------------------------------------------ Member of the [23] Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.

Jamm0	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:19:00 - [51] 7 T2 BPO's rofl, jammy sod. If re-installing somthing does not fix your problem, bin it. Nerf Amarr.(oh its been done now :o)
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:27:00 - [52] You would be better off having a jove ship flying round jetting them out in to space, at least then it would be first to the can. ------------------------------------------------- Contribute to the buy Hohenheim a carrier fund in game now!
hellraiser 2	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:30:00 - [53] Edited by: hellraiser 2 on 24/12/2005 11:31:53 Edited by: hellraiser 2 on 24/12/2005 11:30:56 7 BPO offers!!! C'mon this guy must have loads of accounts with loads of r&d agents or something. If not then the seeding of the BPO's is fecking screwed which is given people an advantage somehow. Currently i have an agent which i have been researching amarrian starship engineering since the agents were added to the game and i haven't had anything. 2 recon BPO's to the same character also sucks but again he must have loads of agents in several accounts the chances of getting these should have somehting like a 1/1,000,000 or lower odds because each R&D point counts as a chance and there are loads of people out there researching with the starship agents for obvious reasons.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:33:00 - [54] There is nothing wrong with the luck. Its just the idea of distributing the single most expensive items in game aka isk print by a random system instead of going by merit. - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
AdriaLima	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:36:00 - [55] If theres anybody here that thinks that winning 7 bpo's is just random luck ..then you sir/mylady are truly naive. (im being mild here) First of all its no longer random specially considering how many people enter the lottery ..that by itself should have made warning bells go off in the back of your mind. Secondly stuff like that can be prevented by excluding previous winners from other lotteries...either forever or for an X amount of lotteries (lets say 10 for arguments sake) And thirdly ..uhm merry christmas? lol ..ok going now have fun and remember dont eat to much.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Blacklight Get a life, it's a totally random system which means yes it's most definitely possible and actually quite probable that people will get that lucky and maybe even luckier at times. At times, yes. But, like I said, there have been SO many instances of this that it's long since beyond being statistically reasonable. It makes far more sense to assume that the system is bugged, than to assume that ALL of these multiple-bpo-winners occurred PURELY by coincidence. The latter is possible, but then, you spontaneously turning into strawberry blancmange is possible. It's just too unlikely to even consider. "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:53:00 - [57] what i am interested to know is when all the t2 bpo is out, what use do i have with my r&d points? afaik they are useless and everyone NOT having r&d points in starships or ammo thingy is not going to get any new t2 bpos seeded... "We brake for nobody"
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Blacklight So we've sunk to actually moaning about other people's good luck in the general forum now have we? Not enough to whine about lag, nerfs, missions, griefers and pirates but we're actually now posting because someone else has been exceptionally lucky and we have not? Get a life, it's a totally random system which means yes it's most definitely possible and actually quite probable that people will get that lucky and maybe even luckier at times. What kind of selfish bad sportsmanship is it when because you know of someone who got lucky twice you cry about it in public instead of just wishing them well? Omg h4x - there was a totally random output from that totally random system then!! How unexpected! Keep your shirt on. People are questioning the randomness. Where chances are meant to be 1 in a million (or whatever) and someone wins 7 times. Do the maths...
Maggot	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:56:00 - [59] I have done the maths, its not that improbable that you will get winners with multiple BPOs. Once you start taking into acount the advantages of being in since the start of research and having better standings etc the odds start to stack well in your favour. Its a lottery with not that many players really so you will get repeated winners over time. Same thing happens in the BIG cash lottery. Key thing researchers need to get to grips with is the fact that with certain streams it is highly probable that you will never get a win. The proposed BPO auction will address this.
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.12.24 12:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Maggot I have done the maths, its not that improbable that you will get winners with multiple BPOs. Once you start taking into acount the advantages of being in since the start of research and having better standings etc the odds start to stack well in your favour. Its a lottery with not that many players really so you will get repeated winners over time. Same thing happens in the BIG cash lottery. Key thing researchers need to get to grips with is the fact that with certain streams it is highly probable that you will never get a win. The proposed BPO auction will address this. Also, some players got multiple accounts, where all the characters, main and alts got one purpose only; r&d. So if someone who hardly doesnt focus on anything else than r&d get multiple bpo's when new get seeded, well then that person invested more time and effort into it as well. Just because one character suddenly have multiple t2 bpo's in his/her posession doesn't mean all magicaly appeared in that persons hanger. You can easy have 15 r&d agents and projects running on ONE account. To get to use the worst level 1 r&d agents doesnt take much effort, and have multiple of these might pay off over time. I have some main r&d agents with lots of RP's, then a bunch of lesser ones I just forget about but check in with like once a week to see if there is any offer. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk



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