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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:13:00 -
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I do.
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:18:00 -
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First time I've heard about it.... but yes, if its true... very lame.
who is it? why? and how could this happen?
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:18:00 -
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they got lucky and probably will just auction one off or produce with one and BPC the other
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:21:00 -
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Two lame things:
Trevedian has won 7 t2 bpos.
Felicity Glimmer won both Recon ship BPOs and I dont know what else.
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Rabbitgod
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:23:00 -
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It was bound to happen since it is a lotto system. And it will happen again it's just a matter of when.
Here these will help
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Justus Imperius on 24/12/2005 07:24:52
But seriously what are the odds. Thousands of people in the lottery. Most never ever see a single BPO. Others, 7 BPOs. Then another gets 2 BPOs back to back for the same type of ship.
And yes I admit im jelous as hell :P I'm just sayin I think its a bit fkd O_o
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Skelator
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:25:00 -
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Not that I am Down on anyone having good luck.. But their are 65000+ ACCT's in this game and only 2 people get all 9 BPO's? 
Somethings not right.. and the other 64,998 people got screwed .
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Skelator
Edited by: Skelator on 24/12/2005 07:25:53
Not that I am Down on anyone having good luck.. But there are 65000+ ACCT's in this game and only 2 people get all 9 BPO's?
Somethings not right.. and the other 64,998 people got screwed .
This type of stuff Saddens me as to the State and Direction this game is taking ...
No no those other 7 BPO's werent for RMR stuff that I know of. Actually 1 of them was for a t2 ammo he posted but I dont know about the other 6. Sry if I made you misunderstand that.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:30:00 -
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hmmm well the lottery system isnt to random then is it
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:31:00 -
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its just going to make everyone upset and really ticked off... no matter how legit it was or how lucky he had to be. i'm assuming the lottery is done by a computer, and i've always hated that. they seem to do weird crap, nothing as random as 1000 tickets in a hat.
i'm not saying thats the right way, but come on... this is a joke. congrats for thte winner, but i have a right to say "hogwash"!
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.12.24 07:32:00 -
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isnt Felicity Glimmer an market alt who is distributing the ships for her corp?
i got that impression 
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Felicity Glimmer
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:25:00 -
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Correct i am an alt distrubting ships for more than just myself, before people start crying how its fixed that i won, consider this.
Got the amarr recon ship on a character and it cost 130,000+ rp from the agent. The character in question had 800,000 rp between 6 agents
A totally diffrent character won the caldari recon ship and it cost 205,000+ RP, the character in question had over 1,000,000 rp between 6 agents.
Sound unfair now?
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Frezik
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
i'm assuming the lottery is done by a computer, and i've always hated that. they seem to do weird crap, nothing as random as 1000 tickets in a hat.
Random number generation sounds like it should be really easy. However, since WWII, there has been a lot of research into random numbers, and it turns out that it's really, really hard. I don't know of any specific research on the "1000 tickets in a hat" method, but I wouldn't trust it until I did.
Computers are very determinstic machines. We spent a few thousand years perfecting the mathematics to make them that way. Hence, they're very bad at producing truly random numbers.
However, there are a number of ways that they can fake it, and these are usually sufficient for games. You can also gather random numbers from user input, such as precise timing between keystrokes, mouse movement, and hard drive seek time. These generally produce good quality random numbers, but a server rarely has a person directly inputing data from a keyboard or mouse, so these methods don't work very well on servers.
Computers can also interface with devices that output random numbers generated from good sources. I've seen such measures used as radioactive decay of some material, cosmic background noise (can be done with a CCD-based digital camera), or slight changes in a capaciter's output.
In any case, how much do we really know about the t2 bpo lottery? (I don't know much about it myself, as I don't do much production). Is it supposed to be weighted twards people with more research points or standing twards a given corp? If so, I could see a few people legitmately winning multiple bpos, even with a fair random number generator.
Also, there will always be somebody who sits at the far end of the bell curve (i.e., people who consistently have good, but unlikely, things happen to them). They may make up only 0.5% of the population, but statistically, they have to exist. You can choose to say these people have "good luck", though it's in a way that's detached from the usual semi-mystical usage of the term.
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Jastra
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:30:00 -
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actualy it might be 65k accounts but a fraction of those will be researching I would have thought, therefore I would have thought someone could work out the odds of someone getting multiple BPOs in a even semi random lottery when its x number of BPOS and X number of people who have a significant amount of RP, it's like stories you read of people winning RL lotteries more than once, the odds are small but they are still odds
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Felicity Glimmer
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:32:00 -
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And for the record, neither people who won the recon bpos had ever won a bpo before.
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High Sierra
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:33:00 -
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one lottery ticket in the National lottery in the uk gives you a 14million to 1 chance of winning the jackpot.
100 tickets gives you one hundred 14million to 1 chances.
its just totally arbritrary as to who will win, but it is more likely the person with 100 tickets will win because they have more chances to win.
I've only just started research myself and I have a sum total of 45 RP's today.
Whilst it is not likely, theres always a chance I will get something.
possibly a nice pen set or cuddly toy.
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Jayalin
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jayalin on 24/12/2005 08:38:18
There might be 70k odd accounts, but it seems all the more 'hardcore' researchers also have their research spanning accross multiple characters per account. Something smacks me as odd that this is possible while the also primarily time-based SP can only accumulate on one character at a time, but ah well. :P
Without anyone actually understanding the true mechanics of the lottery, attempting to determine the "fairness" of it seems impossible. I'd assume that it probably relies on the same RNG that the rest of the game does, which is servicable. Considering the relatively small quantity of numbers that is necessary for BPO distribution, I'd imagine any issues of RNG lifetime are inconsequiential.
Congratulations to all the winners, despite. I hope one day to join you. :)
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Jasam mama
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Felicity Glimmer
Correct i am an alt distrubting ships for more than just myself, before people start crying how its fixed that i won, consider this.
Got the amarr recon ship on a character and it cost 130,000+ rp from the agent. The character in question had 800,000 rp between 6 agents
A totally diffrent character won the caldari recon ship and it cost 205,000+ RP, the character in question had over 1,000,000 rp between 6 agents.
Sound unfair now?
Offcourse it does sound unfair.
1m RP is not something special when you take in calculation how many RP is spreaded among other pilots.
You do have more chances to win BPO then person with 100.000 RP.
But those chances are lot smaller when you took in to calculation ALL LOTTERY TICKETS
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Felicity Glimmer
Sound unfair now?
No, not unfair - especially by the rules of the game.
The optimal system? No, it isn't. This distribution method generates entirely too much angst, no matter the right or wrong of it.
There have been many good suggestions on ways to change it for the better of the game. Be good to see more progress on implementing one of them.
Cheers!
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Felicity Glimmer
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jasam mama
Originally by: Felicity Glimmer
Correct i am an alt distrubting ships for more than just myself, before people start crying how its fixed that i won, consider this.
Got the amarr recon ship on a character and it cost 130,000+ rp from the agent. The character in question had 800,000 rp between 6 agents
A totally diffrent character won the caldari recon ship and it cost 205,000+ RP, the character in question had over 1,000,000 rp between 6 agents.
Sound unfair now?
Offcourse it does sound unfair.
1m RP is not something special when you take in calculation how many RP is spreaded among other pilots.
You do have more chances to win BPO then person with 100.000 RP.
But those chances are lot smaller when you took in to calculation ALL LOTTERY TICKETS
Right, so if im hearing you correctly, its unfair that somebody won a recon bpo with 1,000,000 rp and somebody else who won had 800,000? What exactly is your definition of unfair?
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.12.24 08:59:00 -
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lottery has and always will be BS.
Papa smurf looked into it after EVERYONE complained because people were getting multiple bpo's..
They locked the thread and i never heard any more about it after that.
Lottery is the suxor.
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Felicity Glimmer
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:02:00 -
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Im beginning to understand why the devs dont respond to people who post about unfairness on the lottery now.
I still fail to see whats unfair with someone who has researched with top quality level 3 agents since research coming out getting a recon bpo. Both the players won with a huge amount of RP, where is the problem?
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:02:00 -
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There is nothing they can do now anyway.
If they admit that the whole thing was fubared from the beginning which alot of people agree it is..
Then everyone will be ****ed off.
And nothing they could do but go to tech 3.
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Coco Cocomoonik
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:05:00 -
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Are you telling me that I can create two more chars besides my main and have all three bring in RP each day? That would increase my chance of winning a BPO rather than having only my main doing research, correct?
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Jayalin
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Coco Cocomoonik
Are you telling me that I can create two more chars besides my main and have all three bring in RP each day? That would increase my chance of winning a BPO rather than having only my main doing research, correct?
Yep. I find this slightly bothersome, myself, but it is quite valid. :)
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Felicity Glimmer
Originally by: Jasam mama
Originally by: Felicity Glimmer
Correct i am an alt distrubting ships for more than just myself, before people start crying how its fixed that i won, consider this.
Got the amarr recon ship on a character and it cost 130,000+ rp from the agent. The character in question had 800,000 rp between 6 agents
A totally diffrent character won the caldari recon ship and it cost 205,000+ RP, the character in question had over 1,000,000 rp between 6 agents.
Sound unfair now?
Offcourse it does sound unfair.
1m RP is not something special when you take in calculation how many RP is spreaded among other pilots.
You do have more chances to win BPO then person with 100.000 RP.
But those chances are lot smaller when you took in to calculation ALL LOTTERY TICKETS
Right, so if im hearing you correctly, its unfair that somebody won a recon bpo with 1,000,000 rp and somebody else who won had 800,000? What exactly is your definition of unfair?
Just so ya know in my OP I didnt mean what this guy did :P I thought it was you who won BOTH, but theres nothing wrong at all if its not the case.
But still 1 person winning SEVEN is very very wrong.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:18:00 -
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1 thing I'm a bit worried about is: I had a corpmate who left the game for a month ( subscription ended ) and when he came back he had a BPO offer.
There could possibly be TONS of bpo's out there tied up in inactive accounts. Also if your account is inactive you still gain RP.
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Jayalin
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Justus Imperius
1 thing I'm a bit worried about is: I had a corpmate who left the game for a month ( subscription ended ) and when he came back he had a BPO offer.
There could possibly be TONS of bpo's out there tied up in inactive accounts. Also if your account is inactive you still gain RP.
If the offer isn't accepted within a week, it gets put back into the system. This way, there are no inactive accounts sitting on all the BPOs. :)
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Dr Brains
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:24:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=265370
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Arlenik Emmanouelik
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jayalin
Originally by: Coco Cocomoonik
Are you telling me that I can create two more chars besides my main and have all three bring in RP each day? That would increase my chance of winning a BPO rather than having only my main doing research, correct?
Yep. I find this slightly bothersome, myself, but it is quite valid. :)
Well I didn't know you could do this. I'll have to try it. Shall we call this unfair? maybe not, maybe so. At least I can have all my three chars train a skill, so this doesn't sound all that bad.
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