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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16031
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:35:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ok...so the zealot is equivalent or better than the omen in practically every way (Damage, Damage projection, Tracking, EHP, etc. etc.).
The Omen is likewise worse in all of those categories. So what exactly does the zealot give up to be superior or equivalent to the omen in every other way? Various other stats, but there's your other problem: you're assuming that balance means equality. It doesn't.
Quote:I suggested raw material cost, to which you replied: Yes? The balance between the Omen and Zealot would not change since materials costs do not affect any of the ship stats that make up that balance.
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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
137
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Ok...so the zealot is equivalent or better than the omen in practically every way (Damage, Damage projection, Tracking, EHP, etc. etc.).
The Omen is likewise worse in all of those categories. So what exactly does the zealot give up to be superior or equivalent to the omen in every other way? Various other stats, but there's your other problem: you're assuming that balance means equality. It doesn't.
Which stats specifically? [citation needed] Seems to me the zealot is better than the omen in every relevant way.
Lets put it another way. Lets assume the zealot was moved to T1 with identical material costs, while keeping its exact current stats, resists, and bonuses. Would it be balanced with respect to the omen, and other T1 cruisers? I think not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16031
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:46:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Which stats specifically? Cargo hold, shield capacity, speed, agility, mass, sig radius, sensor strength, drone capacity. Some of these will change in 1.1 (most notably sensor strength).
Quote:Lets put it another way. Lets assume the zealot was moved to T1 with identical material costs, while keeping its exact current stats, resists, and bonuses. Would it be balanced with respect to the omen, and other T1 cruisers? As much as it is right now, yes.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5727
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
So, you're telling me that on a pound for pound basis, the zealot and the omen are balanced against each other.
These ship hulls are indeed getting balanced against eachother. Thats the entire point of teircide, to get rid of T1 T2 T3.
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Uh, no.
Tiercide is getting rid of tier one, tier two, tier three. Not tech one, tech two, or tech three. Those will remain.
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Vayn Baxtor
Ultra High Ping Crew
Spears of Destiny
72
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:53:00 -
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Disagree. Kickass ships needs to have some penalty. Until we see what could be done or changed on subsystems layout, I'd say keep the SP loss. I don't know what the focus of the T3 tiericide will really be about but I am still for keeping the SP loss.
... I wonder what T4 will have.
Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Against ALL Authorities
87
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:56:00 -
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Vayn Baxtor wrote:... I wonder what T4 will have.
OH GOD NO |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
294
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:44:00 -
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This is rediculous lol.
A ship that has a high cost is less likely to be used by players for PvP. Because it has a high cost (due to player demand and build cost) its generally going to be a much superior ship. The reason you see cheaper less superior ships in PvP is because of those of cost. The reason cost is important is 1) most pvp'rs don't have shedloads of isk 2) most pvp'rs don't want to be seen losing mega billion isk ships.
Thus, you can argue all day about build costs, the technicalities of balance but in the end high cost superior ships are used less in EvE because they're high cost, that ADDS BALANCE TO PVP.
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Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
4075
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Posted - 2013.08.13 02:52:00 -
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Vayn Baxtor wrote:... I wonder what T4 will have.
mining lasers that can mine the hulls of ships trying to gank them. clearly. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Against ALL Authorities
89
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:34:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Vayn Baxtor wrote:... I wonder what T4 will have. mining lasers that can mine the hulls of ships trying to gank them. clearly.
pvp never sounded so profitable as this |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
269
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Posted - 2013.08.13 17:51:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:but they should be better than T2...because they are T3. count it with me.
1. 2. ....3.
if they didn't want them to be better they should have called them "Tech 1 -+'s" or Tech 1-+'s"
Wrong.
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