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Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 495	Posted - 2013.08.16 03:51:00 - [1] - Quote Who here loves their Sleipnir, I mean really loves it? It took a long time to find out how great this ship was, and now that I use it I canGÇÖt imagine playing the game without it. With the ability to tank PVP and PVE, to look at a gate camp and actually have the ability to make a decision to hit them rather than run, for linking the fit to friends when they ask what should they fly and why, yes it is or was the end all/be all of cruiser sized hulls. But soon it will be nerfed into the scrap pile; losing 15m3 of drone space, no big deal; adding 25km of targeting range, didnGÇÖt need it Autocannons donGÇÖt care if you can lock that far out; But losing 2 turrets, 160pg and 50 cpu is a deathknell for me. My old Sleip did 950 DPS, could tank 2000dps for 60 seconds. The new one will barely scrape 700 and change DPS and the tighter PG and CPU will make the ASB tank even tighter to fit on a ship that had only .5 cpu left in the first place. So there goes another great ship to the scrap yard for the sake of balance. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Liam Inkuras Justified Chaos 392	Posted - 2013.08.16 03:56:00 - [2] - Quote Now just give it a Hurricane hull and we're good to go! I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 03:59:00 - [3] - Quote Liam Inkuras wrote: Now just give it a Hurricane hull and we're good to go! Exactly, why stop there might as well give it a Rifter hull Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1440	Posted - 2013.08.16 04:22:00 - [4] - Quote 7 turrets * 4/3 RoF bonus * 5/4 damage bonus = 35/3 effective turrets (11.67) 5 turrets * 3/2 damage bonus * 3/2 damage bonus = 45/4 effective turrets (11.25) Net difference: 5/12 effective turrets (.42), a 3.6% loss in DPS. Note that with arties getting a straight 10% RoF bonus the Sleip in that configuration actually gains ~8% DPS. Edit: still pretty pissed about the presumably impending hull switch though; I'll give you that.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 327	Posted - 2013.08.16 04:35:00 - [5] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Edit: still pretty pissed about the presumably impending hull switch though; I'll give you that. they would never!!!!.... would they? You can trust me, I have a monocole
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1440	Posted - 2013.08.16 04:41:00 - [6] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Edit: still pretty pissed about the presumably impending hull switch though; I'll give you that. they would never!!!!.... would they? Call me Dinsdale but between this thread and the note at the top of Fozzie's CS change threads that reads like this: Quote: The other threads are : Warfare Links, Mindlinks, Gang Bonuses Local armor and shield rep changes Command Ship model changes with the last yet to get a link -- I'm going with yes, they're going to do it.
Darling Hassasin Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:44:00 - [7] - Quote OP pls quit panick mode. Dps wise you get 3% less dps (put a hardwiring in and you are set lol) and you win the abolity to boost your gang or use various utility mods at the same time. The fittings are lost because of the two less turrets you have to fit... EDIT: About the hull switch (if and when) I would expect after the cane nerf tens of thousands of cane addicts on TQ would be rejoicing... go figure...
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:45:00 - [8] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: 7 turrets * 4/3 RoF bonus * 5/4 damage bonus = 35/3 effective turrets (11.67) 5 turrets * 3/2 damage bonus * 3/2 damage bonus = 45/4 effective turrets (11.25) Net difference: 5/12 effective turrets (.42), a 3.6% loss in DPS. Note that with arties getting a straight 10% RoF bonus the Sleip in that configuration actually gains ~8% DPS. Edit: still pretty pissed about the presumably impending hull switch though; I'll give you that. Thanks Zhillia, I hope your math is better than mine, I came out with autocannons at 780dps with two 6% implants so I am hoping I made the mistake. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:49:00 - [9] - Quote Darling Hassasin wrote: OP pls quit panick mode. Dps wise you get 3% less dps (put a hardwiring in and you are set lol) and you win the abolity to boost your gang or use various utility mods at the same time. The fittings are lost because of the two less turrets you have to fit... EDIT: About the hull switch (if and when) I would expect after the cane nerf tens of thousands of cane addicts on TQ would be rejoicing... go figure... I don't boost with this ship, [Sleipnir, Mericun] 7x 425mm AutoCannon II (Hail M) Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Gistum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster (Navy Cap Booster 400) Corelum A-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive Dark Blood Warp Scrambler Domination Stasis Webifier 3x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II 5x Hornet EC-300 3x Salvage Drone I [Statistics - Goldiiee] Tank Ability: 2,959.79 DPS Shield Resists - EM: 84.41%, Ex: 79.22%, Ki: 82.65%, Th: 79.22% Capacitor (Lasts 3m 24s) Volley Damage: 2,216.86 DPS: 955.38 Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Caitlyn Tufy Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 382	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:49:00 - [10] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Edit: still pretty pissed about the presumably impending hull switch though; I'll give you that. they would never!!!!.... would they? Call me Dinsdale but between this thread and the note at the top of Fozzie's CS change threads that reads like this: Quote: The other threads are : Warfare Links, Mindlinks, Gang Bonuses Local armor and shield rep changes Command Ship model changes with the last yet to get a link -- I'm going with yes, they're going to do it. Not yet - Fozzie said so in the CS thread a couple of days back. Frankly, I'm torn about the CS changes. On the one hand, there's Sleipnir, which I've come to adore, on the other there's the other three, which will look great in their new hulls. 3/4 = change all, I guess. But then the sacrifice is Sleipnir... doh. Ideally, they'd all get unique models instead.
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:55:00 - [11] - Quote Darling Hassasin wrote: The fittings are lost because of the two less turrets you have to fit... 2 x 452 autocannons 277.2 pg and 37.5 cpu Losing 160pg and 50 cpu so yeah still going to be less than it has now Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Darling Hassasin Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:58:00 - [12] - Quote @OP you may use it like this (and many others do too) but I am pointing out that heavily increased aptitude ina role tha will beocme a must have for fleets and small gang in the coming months might be a fair trade for the -3% dps that I am sure you will find a way to survive. If anything think of the poor Astarte thats losing a lot more dps afaik and whats an Astarte without its dps???? a gimick Sleipnir-without-a-booster diemost...
Darling Hassasin Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:59:00 - [13] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: Darling Hassasin wrote: The fittings are lost because of the two less turrets you have to fit... 2 x 452 autocannons 277.2 pg and 37.5 cpu Losing 160pg and 50 cpu so yeah still going to be less than it has now (a) You gain a lot of grid, you lose a bit of cpu (b) Try it with arties now (trust me they will be a LOT more used in the future) and report results again. Tbh I would consider a bog standard tech II X-L sb these days... they are getting 30% more boost ... which is like 45% more if you factor in the amp many people allready use, and you ll be able to run it for more than 60 seconds... I sometimes camp a quite low sec system near my base and in the last 4-5 months there is a proliferation of XL ASB and dual XL ASB Sleipnirs suiciding on our camps (2 people with 3-4 hull camps not gang camped gates)... they are our comic relief if you like...
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:06:00 - [14] - Quote Darling Hassasin, I use it as a solo brawler, I run low sec sites and chase gate campers into the dark (When I don't get caught being overconfident with bait) :D So arties will be kinda useless for brawling, and the tracking problem with arties makes them less than desirable. I know it's not the end of the world, I am not crying in my coffee, I just keep dumping ships back on the market thanks to tieracide and this one is just really hard to let go. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1440	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:16:00 - [15] - Quote Darling Hassasin wrote: If anything think of the poor Astarte thats losing a lot more dps afaik and whats an Astarte without its dps???? a gimick Sleipnir-without-a-booster diemost... 7 * 5/4 * 5/4 = 175/16 = 10.9375 5 * 11/8 * 8/5 = 11 Astrate is gaining very slightly in the effective turret department.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1440	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:18:00 - [16] - Quote Caitlyn Tufy wrote: Not yet - Fozzie said so in the CS thread a couple of days back. Frankly, I'm torn about the CS changes. On the one hand, there's Sleipnir, which I've come to adore, on the other there's the other three, which will look great in their new hulls. 3/4 = change all, I guess. But then the sacrifice is Sleipnir... doh. Ideally, they'd all get unique models instead. Yay. Finally word of some sort. Rather missed that one. But still, that's a "yet". So I guess it'll happen SoonGäó anyhow.
Silver Getsuga Quantum Studies Institute 2	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:04:00 - [17] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: Darling Hassasin, I use it as a solo brawler, I run low sec sites and chase gate campers into the dark (When I don't get caught being overconfident with bait) :D So arties will be kinda useless for brawling, and the tracking problem with arties makes them less than desirable. I know it's not the end of the world, I am not crying in my coffee, I just keep dumping ships back on the market thanks to tieracide and this one is just really hard to let go. Why let it go? According to EFT after 1.1 it will do 817 dps vs. 971 before patch. And omni tank actually goes up from 1292 to 1481. Oh and you will need 1% CPU implant to fit your fit.
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:17:00 - [18] - Quote Silver Getsuga wrote: Goldiiee wrote: Darling Hassasin, I use it as a solo brawler, I run low sec sites and chase gate campers into the dark (When I don't get caught being overconfident with bait) :D So arties will be kinda useless for brawling, and the tracking problem with arties makes them less than desirable. I know it's not the end of the world, I am not crying in my coffee, I just keep dumping ships back on the market thanks to tieracide and this one is just really hard to let go. Why let it go? According to EFT after 1.1 it will do 817 dps vs. 971 before patch. And omni tank actually goes up from 1292 to 1481. Oh and you will need 1% CPU implant to fit your fit. Thanks for fit btw. Thinking about command ships now :D But man all those fleet charisma skills... Want all of it -- Command Ships, Black Ops, HACs, CovOps. IDK it seems like the times I really needed that 130 DPS, (Hope you and my math is wrong and Zhillia's is right cause 130dps loss is certainty more than the 3.6% Zillia predicted) it was a make it or break it moment so I would hate to be in some of the close calls I had without it. Of course your right it will have more tank but for the burst rig I was running if I hadn't won in 2 to 3 minutes I set loose the ECM drones and warped out, with the ASB overheated I get 2 to 3 minutes (Pulsing as needed) fighting time, more tank and less DPS just gives the Bait ship time to let it's friends arrive. Minmtar has always been gank and speed over tank IMO, so taking away my gank and adding more tank feels ...well it feels wrong. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1342	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:19:00 - [19] - Quote am i the only one who likes the hurricane hull more than the cyclone hull? not that i could be assed to train the leadership rubbish but come on, the cyclone looks like a toilet brush... "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:27:00 - [20] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: am i the only one who likes the hurricane hull more than the cyclone hull? not that i could be assed to train the leadership rubbish but come on, the cyclone looks like a toilet brush... Personally I don't care what hull they use, when it comes down to it every ship is just a point in space with given attributes. That being said when I first got in my Sleip I didn't like the looks but it grew on me and now I kind of like it the way it is. But the StarWars shaped wedge always make the ship feel stronger. :) Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Silver Getsuga Quantum Studies Institute 2	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:47:00 - [21] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: IDK it seems like the times I really needed that 130 DPS, (Hope you and my math is wrong and Zhillia's is right cause 130dps loss is certainty more than the 3.6% Zillia predicted) it was a make it or break it moment so I would hate to be in some of the close calls I had without it. AH yes, this EFT math may be wrong since 1.1 changes are in data files that some dude made available on fail-heap. He might got something wrong or old. Time will tell. Edit: Oh and, every shield booster and armor repairer gets a buff except for ASBs. So yeah, you setup was nerfed pretty hard if you were ganking self-rep targets. Doesn't mean it won't work or be imbalanced after a patch, but still.
Hell Bitch Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:48:00 - [22] - Quote Someone has said it before on these forums but I can't for the life of me find it. If any Minmatar command ships are getting a hull it swap it needs to be the claymore, why? It looks like a claymore For people who point out the obvious, the hurricane uses ac's and the cyclone uses missiles so the the sleipnir should be changed i would argue that why not add some variety, that way whatever you want to fire, guns or missiles you can choose your prefered hull, skill points allowing of course. Claymore Hurricane
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:06:00 - [23] - Quote Hell * wrote: Someone has said it before on these forums but I can't for the life of me find it. If any Minmatar command ships are getting a hull it swap it needs to be the claymore, why? It looks like a claymore For people who point out the obvious, the hurricane uses ac's and the cyclone uses missiles so the the sleipnir should be changed i would argue that why not add some variety, that way whatever you want to fire, guns or missiles you can choose your prefered hull, skill points allowing of course. Claymore Hurricane That's the best argument I have heard so far for changing the to the Cain hull. Been 5 months since they introduced the Minmi Missile boats but I still haven't got used to Minmi running around pretending to be Caldari. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1342	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:46:00 - [24] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: [...]I still haven't got used to Minmi running around pretending to be Caldari. it might also have to do with the cyclone having the same DPS as a caracal... sure it has neuts and a better tank but it's still kind of sad. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Roxxo I'doCocaine SlammaJammaBamma 33	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:09:00 - [25] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: I pvp. Proof? Not seeing it on your KB and there's no I in Cane.
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:18:00 - [26] - Quote Roxxo I'doCocaine wrote: Goldiiee wrote: I pvp. Proof? Not seeing it on your KB and there's no I in Cane. Yeah no I in Cane, my typing skills decline as the night goes on. I do Incursions, missions, marketing and Forum posts with this character and PVP with a couple others. Keeping killrights expensive lossmails and killmails out of the forums tends to make conversations here easier. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Roxxo I'doCocaine SlammaJammaBamma 33	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:24:00 - [27] - Quote If you're going to start a thread that boils down to a stealth e-peen strokefest about how you bust gatecamps solo in your Sleipnir, it would have more credibility with a KB to back it up. Otherwise, you end up looking like just another PVE-lord with EFT and wet dreams.
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:49:00 - [28] - Quote Roxxo I'doCocaine wrote: If you're going to start a thread that boils down to a stealth e-peen strokefest about how you bust gatecamps solo in your Sleipnir, it would have more credibility with a KB to back it up. Otherwise, you end up looking like just another PVE-lord with EFT and wet dreams. Sorry you feel that way, I have enough friends and already to many enemies that know my characters names, not about to add to that list for your edifications. I know KB's and Ego feed half the trolls in the forums I choose not to feed them anymore. And I really think it is be a bad idea to link a fit then link the mane of the pilot flying the fit, and the friends that fly with me agree. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Roxxo I'doCocaine SlammaJammaBamma 33	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:59:00 - [29] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: the mane of the pilot flying the fit You a brony too, bro?
Goldiiee Tax and War Haven 499	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:11:00 - [30] - Quote Roxxo I'doCocaine wrote: Goldiiee wrote: the mane of the pilot flying the fit You a brony too, bro? Not even on my worst day. Edit; speaking of peoples killboards LOL Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

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