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Alistair Croup
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:30:00 -
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Has ccp said whdat skills we will need for these lovely ships? Would be great to be ready opening day to be ready to drop the nessary skill books and go! Tornado frw! |
Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:35:00 -
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Probably safe to assume Battlecruisers V, possibly Command Ships 3-4. I find it interesting that although they are reffering to them as T3, there is no mention of subsystems. In fact I would guess that they will not use sybsystems, as CCP has stated in a Dev Blog that they want them to be fairly common, and subsystems are both costly and training intensive.
In lieu of CCP providing the skillplan to pilot on eof these new lovely ships, we at least know that they can fit BS sized weapons, so I would suggets beefing up skills related to your racial weaponry. Although I would also welcome any additonal suggestions or a CCP statement on what sort of skills will be required. |
Alistair Croup
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:49:00 -
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So do you think its safe to assume that cruiser 5. Luckly my gunnerys maxed out already w large autui and artillery specs at 5. |
Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:52:00 -
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Alistair Croup wrote:So do you think its safe to assume that cruiser 5. Luckly my gunnerys maxed out already w large autui and artillery specs at 5.
I would trai up BC skill to 5 first, then if you still have time work on cruiser. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:59:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:Probably safe to assume Battlecruisers V, possibly Command Ships 3-4. I find it interesting that although they are reffering to them as T3, there is no mention of subsystems. In fact I would guess that they will not use sybsystems, as CCP has stated in a Dev Blog that they want them to be fairly common, and subsystems are both costly and training intensive.
In lieu of CCP providing the skillplan to pilot on eof these new lovely ships, we at least know that they can fit BS sized weapons, so I would suggets beefing up skills related to your racial weaponry. Although I would also welcome any additonal suggestions or a CCP statement on what sort of skills will be required.
They are NOT TECH 3, they are tier 3, as in you need BC level 3 and racial cruiser 4 to fly them. Just like you need Caldari Cruiser 4 and BC 2 to fly a tier 2 BC known as the Drake.
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Alistair Croup
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:19:00 -
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Luckly i have bc5. But i avn sure were going to be looking for some kind of other skills at 5 for it |
Mashie Saldana
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:26:00 -
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Alistair Croup wrote:Luckly i have bc5. But i avn sure were going to be looking for some kind of other skills at 5 for it
Why? It is a tech 1 Battle Cruiser.
How many level 5 skills do you need for a Drake?
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Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:31:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:
They are NOT TECH 3, they are tier 3, as in you need BC level 3 and racial cruiser 3 to fly them. Just like you need Caldari Cruiser 3 and BC 2 to fly a tier 2 BC known as the Drake.
That does seem to be more reasonable and makes their statements about the new ships make more sense. Now, with that said, when will we see some new TECH3 ships? Strat cruisers are nice, but I'd love to see a Strat BS. I think its past time to expand the tech3 equipment. |
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NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:29:00 -
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i dont think you need BC to lv5 for the hull, cos its not a Tech 3, but a tier 3 version
you should get bc lv5 for the added bonus
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:16:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:Probably safe to assume Battlecruisers V, possibly Command Ships 3-4. I find it interesting that although they are reffering to them as T3, there is no mention of subsystems. In fact I would guess that they will not use sybsystems, as CCP has stated in a Dev Blog that they want them to be fairly common, and subsystems are both costly and training intensive.
In lieu of CCP providing the skillplan to pilot on eof these new lovely ships, we at least know that they can fit BS sized weapons, so I would suggets beefing up skills related to your racial weaponry. Although I would also welcome any additonal suggestions or a CCP statement on what sort of skills will be required.
Stupid people are referring to them as T3. They're TEIR three ships, T3 means tech 3.
Also, I haven't seen any reason why they would require command ships, or battlecruiser 5. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:50:00 -
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Alistair Croup wrote:Has ccp said whdat skills we will need for these lovely ships? Would be great to be ready opening day to be ready to drop the nessary skill books and go! Tornado frw!
BC 3. Stock up on books I guess? |
Arochi
Norwegian Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:53:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Ran'shad wrote:Probably safe to assume Battlecruisers V, possibly Command Ships 3-4. I find it interesting that although they are reffering to them as T3, there is no mention of subsystems. In fact I would guess that they will not use sybsystems, as CCP has stated in a Dev Blog that they want them to be fairly common, and subsystems are both costly and training intensive.
In lieu of CCP providing the skillplan to pilot on eof these new lovely ships, we at least know that they can fit BS sized weapons, so I would suggets beefing up skills related to your racial weaponry. Although I would also welcome any additonal suggestions or a CCP statement on what sort of skills will be required. Stupid people are referring to them as T3. They're TEIR three ships, T3 means tech 3. Also, I haven't seen any reason why they would require command ships, or battlecruiser 5.
Pretty much this..
Going by the tier 1 and 2 BC you need Racial cruiser 3
It also seems that tier 1 Battlecruisers (Ferox, Cyclone ect.) need Battlecruiser 1, while their tier 2 counterparts need Battlecruiser 2, so it would be logical to assume that the new tier 3 ships would need battlecruiser 3. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:00:00 -
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According to the data dump, it's [Racial] Cruiser III + Battlecruiser III, just as you'd expect from a tier 3 BC as others have mentioned. There is no reason to expect that part to change before they go live.
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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 17:09:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:I find it interesting that although they are reffering to them as T3
Why does like half the population of eve think this??!?!?! They are TIER 3 NOT TECH 3!!! GET IT RIGHT!!
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.10.28 17:14:00 -
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tier 3 /= tech 3
also while we are on t3 statements
introducing tech 3 cruisers was, in my opinion a bad idea, and i hope they do not release any more tech 3 items. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:40:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:tier 3 /= tech 3
also while we are on t3 statements
introducing tech 3 cruisers was, in my opinion a bad idea, and i hope they do not release any more tech 3 items.
Agreed |
Space Momma
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 22:44:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:introducing tech 3 cruisers was, in my opinion a bad idea, and i hope they do not release any more tech 3 items.
u mad bro???
T3s is where eve is at.
just cos you cant afford/fly them doesnt mean they are bad.
WTB t3 frigs.
my buzzard wants an upgrade :) |
None Smith
Raven's Flight
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Posted - 2011.10.29 03:44:00 -
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In addition to required level of Battle Cruiser, it is implied that you would need to have some basic Battle-Ship appropriated gun / launcher skills to fully utilize the weapon system offerings. CCP is saying that they are going to be 'glass-cannons', emphasizing BS guns at the cost of defensive capability. |
Alistair Croup
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.29 05:11:00 -
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pretty sure they will redifine the use of BC's in fleet ops in Null-sec and PVP in general. I personaly look forward to seeing them in use! |
Meltmind2
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.10.29 10:39:00 -
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Battlecruiser V + T2 large lasers/hybrids/projectiles/torps (depending on what ship you want to fly). |
Seigfried Hakaari
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.30 03:18:00 -
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Meltmind2 wrote:Battlecruiser V + T2 large lasers/hybrids/projectiles/torps (depending on what ship you want to fly).
On that note, i wonder how the Caldari version will be handled. I mean, lets face it, Torps and Cruise Missiles are pretty crap against anything smaller than a large planetary body.
I just can't see this BC being even close a Tengu for anything except straight up ganking someone or POS bashing. It's hard to put in to words why, but i just can't see it. Though I'll be perfectly happy if it defies my expectations. I like Torps in concept, i just hate them in practice. |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
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Posted - 2011.10.30 07:29:00 -
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For the Caldari Naga, my guess is 8 launchers, no damage bonus, a velocity bonus, and something to help them hit smaller targets (explosive velocity I guess). Slots would be 8/5/4 or more likely 8/6/3 (based on what I saw elsewhere for the Talos and the Tornado).
Huh... My guess was pretty close according to a leak. |
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:58:00 -
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Since you are looking for skills for the new ship - train your choice racial large gunnery skill to 5 and the t2 large gunnery skills to 4/5. And AWUG 5 of course since no matter what its gonna be a tight fit. |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:27:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Alistair Croup wrote:Luckly i have bc5. But i avn sure were going to be looking for some kind of other skills at 5 for it Why? It is a tech 1 Battle Cruiser. How many level 5 skills do you need for a Drake?
I would assume just by having BC V it will make the new BC's really shine. Also if you don't have Large T2 guns for it might as well gtfo. With it being a BC also having good support skills will help such as Navigation, Gunnery support skills (Tracking, ROF, Cap usage etc etc).
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Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:58:00 -
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Seigfried Hakaari wrote:Meltmind2 wrote:Battlecruiser V + T2 large lasers/hybrids/projectiles/torps (depending on what ship you want to fly). On that note, i wonder how the Caldari version will be handled. I mean, lets face it, Torps and Cruise Missiles are pretty crap against anything smaller than a large planetary body. I just can't see this BC being even close a Tengu for anything except straight up ganking someone or POS bashing. It's hard to put in to words why, but i just can't see it. Though I'll be perfectly happy if it defies my expectations. I like Torps in concept, i just hate them in practice.
They are supposed to be anti bs / cap ship so the size issue is intended. a tech1 bc isn't really supposed to rival a tech3 strategic cruiser. Though they are meant to be good at pos bashing and ganking battleships in empire :P
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Lieutenant Brooker
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.11.02 03:30:00 -
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Well, it's just a Battlecruiser, so you won't need amazing skills to fly it, just like you can fly a Drake or a Hurricane on a week old account; however, being a glass-cannon battlecruiser, it would certainly help to have battlecruiser 5, good tanking skills (to get all the tank you can out of its limited defenses) and the ability to use large (BS-sized) guns. SImple. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:29:00 -
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Seigfried Hakaari wrote:[quote=Meltmind2]I just can't see this BC being even close a Tengu for anything except straight up ganking someone or POS bashing. It's hard to put in to words why, but i just can't see it. Though I'll be perfectly happy if it defies my expectations. I like Torps in concept, i just hate them in practice.
Why would it have to be anything like a Tengu though?
But more importantly yes - you have a very good point. These tier 3 BCs are going to be ganking platforms.
Couple that to the DPS boost that the dessies are receiving and you begin to wonder if this expansion is going to be one for the gankers 
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Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:51:00 -
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Space Momma wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:introducing tech 3 cruisers was, in my opinion a bad idea, and i hope they do not release any more tech 3 items. u mad bro??? T3s is where eve is at. just cos you cant afford/fly them doesnt mean they are bad. WTB t3 frigs. my buzzard wants an upgrade :)
Mmmm, tech 3 frigs. Yummy.
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Karea Riscinda
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:01:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Alistair Croup wrote:Has ccp said whdat skills we will need for these lovely ships? Would be great to be ready opening day to be ready to drop the nessary skill books and go! Tornado frw! BC 3. Stock up on books I guess?
My thoughts would be, b/c it has already been stated multiple times that they are TIER 3, not TECH 3 i.e. for Minmatar, your Tier I BC is the Cyclone requiring Minmatar Cruiser III and Battlecruisers I. Your Tier II BC is the Hurricane requiring Minmatar Cruiser III and Battlecruisers II. So it would be logical that the Tier III Battlecruiser, the Tornado, will require Minmatar Cruiser III and Battlecruisers III. However, that being said, in the dev blog it is stated that the TIER III BC's are designed to mount Battleship class weapons. So I personally would train, at minimum, (racial) cruiser III, battlecruisers III, and large (whatever) turret, i.e. larger projectile turret. I'm personally sitting on Minnie cruiser V, BC V so i'm ready to roll!  |
Aethis Rex
ISK Hungry Club
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:33:00 -
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Hmmm, So what is a tech 2 ship? if tech 3 is not tier 3.. what is the difference? |
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