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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.12.31 16:34:00 -
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Block or allow market purchases linked to standings. Eve is a PvP game so IMO this should be a feature. After all, some don't want to sell to their enemies (or intruders).
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Clytamnestra
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Posted - 2005.12.31 16:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Khatred
Block or allow market purchases linked to standings. Eve is a PvP game so IMO this should be a feature. After all, some don't want to sell to their enemies (or intruders).
Actually, setting a standing threshold for an order, I like that idea.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.31 16:44:00 -
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Yea.. sounds cold-war enough.
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OverKill
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Posted - 2005.12.31 16:57:00 -
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Definately agree with you there.
It would also allow you to avoid selling eccess items/materials, which could potentially aid competition.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.31 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
I like the idea in theory... In execution it would be a total mess, at least thats my prediction.
^ is also right.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.12.31 17:07:00 -
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I like the idea in theory... In execution it would be a total mess, at least thats my prediction.
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.12.31 17:16:00 -
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Bad idea,
it will disrupt the game expirience for some people.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.12.31 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vex Seraphim
Bad idea,
it will disrupt the game expirience for some people.
I am not talking about NPC standings but about PC set standings. Why it would disrupt anything?
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:01:00 -
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It could give too much power for people to unbalance the market. Example, you annoy NAGA and they set you to -10 (however unliekly in reality this would be). They could employ this method and, then, you are cut off from a large supply of tech 2 and ships.
It might breed a situation where the large production corps can basically say to everyone "make us happy or else" and I think that would be bad in the long run.
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Clytamnestra
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Galaxion
It could give too much power for people to unbalance the market. Example, you annoy NAGA and they set you to -10 (however unliekly in reality this would be). They could employ this method and, then, you are cut off from a large supply of tech 2 and ships.
It might breed a situation where the large production corps can basically say to everyone "make us happy or else" and I think that would be bad in the long run.
I see where this could lead to strong arm tactics, but I actually would see that as a positive change, rather than a detriment to the game. Think of the the Guild from the Dune novels. You didn't want to upset the Guild or they'd revoke your shipping rights.
It would also allow for more politics and behind the scenes deals, which I think EVE is slightly lacking in.
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Galaxion
It could give too much power for people to unbalance the market. Example, you annoy NAGA and they set you to -10 (however unliekly in reality this would be). They could employ this method and, then, you are cut off from a large supply of tech 2 and ships.
It might breed a situation where the large production corps can basically say to everyone "make us happy or else" and I think that would be bad in the long run.
 Personnally I get the feeling if a group like NAGA tried something like that every mojor alliance in EvE would suddenly be at war with them.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Galaxion
It could give too much power for people to unbalance the market. Example, you annoy NAGA and they set you to -10 (however unliekly in reality this would be). They could employ this method and, then, you are cut off from a large supply of tech 2 and ships.
It might breed a situation where the large production corps can basically say to everyone "make us happy or else" and I think that would be bad in the long run.
Well, er DUH!
Thats the point. You dont only exert influence with guns
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:12:00 -
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EvE Wars: Episode 1?
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Galaxion
It could give too much power for people to unbalance the market. Example, you annoy NAGA and they set you to -10 (however unliekly in reality this would be). They could employ this method and, then, you are cut off from a large supply of tech 2 and ships.
It might breed a situation where the large production corps can basically say to everyone "make us happy or else" and I think that would be bad in the long run.
Well, er DUH!
Thats the point. You dont only exert influence with guns
Well, yea, it DOES sounds very cool, but when you think about it. Give it a few months, and then imagine the nonstop whining it would cause (carebears have too much power), (omg i cant play cuz i cant buy mods), etc etc.
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Arshes Nei
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Arshes Nei on 31/12/2005 18:24:33
Originally by: Galaxion
It could give too much power for people to unbalance the market. Example, you annoy NAGA and they set you to -10 (however unliekly in reality this would be). They could employ this method and, then, you are cut off from a large supply of tech 2 and ships.
It might breed a situation where the large production corps can basically say to everyone "make us happy or else" and I think that would be bad in the long run.
Naga doesnt sell on normal market, to prevent sorry asses buying everything at their low prices(relatively) and reselling it at higher prices.
In reality this could work like escrow, you dont even see orders for which you have insufficent standing.
Edit: Like you dont see orders escrowed to other people then yourself.
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William Hartas
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:41:00 -
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It would give the market a heavier political influence, that would be good. But it would be so easy to bypass it anyway, just use alts to shuffle money around.
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Clytamnestra
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: William Hartas
It would give the market a heavier political influence, that would be good. But it would be so easy to bypass it anyway, just use alts to shuffle money around.
For sure, an alt in an NPC corp or another corp could easily get around the restriction to not sell to corps with a negative standing. On the other hand, using alts to get around restrictions is ubiquitous in this game. So I don't believe that's such a big argument against it.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:48:00 -
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To easy to bypass IMO
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:49:00 -
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It's a good idea.
Taking the Naga example, they wouldn't just stop supplying people willy-nilly as that's bad business. It would mean that people would have to show them respect, though.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: William Hartas
It would give the market a heavier political influence, that would be good. But it would be so easy to bypass it anyway, just use alts to shuffle money around.
I was thinking that this was a cool idea...until I realized this. This is a 100% effective way to avoid the feature.
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Josarian Lysandor
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:53:00 -
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Interesting idea.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:55:00 -
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Nice idea, although you would still be able to buy from you using alts.
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Alchemos
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:57:00 -
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This is a great idea! 
Definitely should be implemented.
...and... there are ways around pretty much everything; if you have to use an alt to do your dealings for you, that's still a pain in the ass.
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2005.12.31 18:59:00 -
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Ok, I concede, it would probably be a good idea.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.12.31 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Galaxion
Thats the point. You dont only exert influence with guns
Well, yea, it DOES sounds very cool, but when you think about it. Give it a few months, and then imagine the nonstop whining it would cause (carebears have too much power), (omg i cant play cuz i cant buy mods), etc etc.
Well thats actually a positive thing in my opinion...pop a pilot from the wrong corp and your T2 access gets flushed 
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why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.12.31 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 31/12/2005 19:04:38
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: William Hartas
It would give the market a heavier political influence, that would be good. But it would be so easy to bypass it anyway, just use alts to shuffle money around.
I was thinking that this was a cool idea...until I realized this. This is a 100% effective way to avoid the feature.
Couldn't you just set the noob corps to -10? Wouldn't this be a phenomenal reason for people to leave noob corps once they got a little time under there belt and wanted something besides the T1 stuff available from NPCs? In that regard, wouldn't this *solve* (or at least quell) the problem with NPC Corp noobs?
Besides, it doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" type system. At the time you set the sell order you could say that anyone with +5 standing either personally, or corporately, or across the alliance gets a 5% discount. Anyone with 0 standing gets a 10% surcharge. Anyone with -5 standing cannot buy the order (and it doesn't show up).
This would add so much richness to the PvP aspects of the game - and by PvP I am talking about more then guns.
Not only that, but it furthers the importance of standing - Which unless you are in an NBSI 0.0 alliance is pretty pointless. You ****ed off Naga? Well damn, you better get in touch with them and see what you need to do to patch it up - or else go shop elsewhere. You blew up some corp noobs Ibis? Well damn! You have to pay 10% more now - better choose your enemies wisely!!
Trade Embargos anyone? Think of the political ramfications of that!
This create conflict in the game, and creates ramifications to conflict - that's good - it adds to the complexity of the political environment, and gets people more involved - because more is at stake.
That's my 2 cents on it.
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Vegeir
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Posted - 2005.12.31 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: William Hartas
It would give the market a heavier political influence, that would be good. But it would be so easy to bypass it anyway, just use alts to shuffle money around.
I was thinking that this was a cool idea...until I realized this. This is a 100% effective way to avoid the feature.
Not when you could set all your orders to a minimum standing of 1.0
In the situations it would be used you are accepting a closed market of customers so there isnt a loss, you're just gaining more control over the first level deep of consumer.
This would be a great way for industrial corporations to be given degrees of weight, especially with the eventual Tech 3 market. Economic power should be a viable tool of war, maybe not the defining or strongest in every situation, sure, but viable.
Originally by: Irashi
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Titen
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Posted - 2005.12.31 19:14:00 -
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Sounds like a good idea, aside from the use of alts to get around it.
But I'd hate to be the programmer blamed for that lagfest.
Right now the market, in the most basic of terms, runs a DB query that says "Display all of item X in region/system/station Y"
This new option would change that to "Get all of item X in region/system/station Y; Loop through all results and get the pilot and corp standings toward the buyer; Display all items where buyer standings >= to those secondary results".
This would probably get denied just because of the potential lag it would cause.
But still a good idea :)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.31 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
Block or allow market purchases linked to standings. Eve is a PvP game so IMO this should be a feature. After all, some don't want to sell to their enemies (or intruders).
Escrow.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2005.12.31 19:15:00 -
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I like the idea
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