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Mylar Nocturnus	Posted - 2006.01.03 16:28:00 - [31] I tried this mission in my Inquisitor....... not only was I blown out of the sky in under 5 seconds but the Corp mate that was with me got blown out of the sky in 20 seconds... it's rough and the LvL 4 mission of the same name is impossible without a fleet 4 BS and about a dozen or so cruiser rats and a whole pot load of frigates... the trouble with this mission is the number of Missile frigs. 9 million SP and I still am not going to fly a Cruiser and you can't Make me!
Erris Veloce	Posted - 2006.01.03 17:51:00 - [32] You need tp warp in, bookmark, warp out and back in at say 100km. Then get to where thyei either agro or you can start to damage one. then immediately turn and start running away. take em out as they close. Bookmark again and repeat. When you come back they ones chasing will be father out(near your second bm.) repeat as neccessary. EM resist is a must.
Hectaire Glade	Posted - 2006.01.03 18:04:00 - [33] Absolutely a mission where you have to learn how to kite the NPCs out a little before you try and kill them, as mentioned, warp in, bookmark, warp out, back at range, pull at maximum, spread them out, bookmark, warp out and in and start picking them off Did this with my prophecy with no issues at all, fun mission
Demarcus	Posted - 2006.01.03 19:53:00 - [34] I lost a very expensive tanked raven on this, and a harpy the next day on a different lvl 3 mission all because of being warp scrambled. I filed a petition and have received nothing but auto responses for four days. Subscription canceled. Like I told ccp if I wanted to have to find a group to play I would do complexes, PvP, or lvl 4's. You can't solo a lvl 3 in a Raven? Such bullsh*t. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
High Sierra	Posted - 2006.01.03 20:22:00 - [35] go on... give us your stuff..... me and one corp mate did this mission in a prophecy and a cyclone. first warp in, we ganked the support frigs (scramblers) then we jumped straight out regardless of how well our tank was doing. and thats how we did it basically. jumping in and out when it got too hot. Just make sure you get the scrammers first. It did take us a while, but we were careful and the plan worked.
Miko Kiyan	Posted - 2006.01.03 21:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Demarcus I lost a very expensive tanked raven on this, and a harpy the next day on a different lvl 3 mission all because of being warp scrambled. I filed a petition and have received nothing but auto responses for four days. Subscription canceled. Like I told ccp if I wanted to have to find a group to play I would do complexes, PvP, or lvl 4's. You can't solo a lvl 3 in a Raven? Such bullsh*t. Look, dude, Ravens are not invulnerable, especially if they're not set up to counter what the enemy's throwing at them. Just like every other ship. How can you petition dying in your Harpy because you were scrambled? That...just happens. Harpies aren't invulnerable, either, you know. Words of widom: Don't fly something you can't afford/aren't willing to lose.
San Badgeros	Posted - 2006.01.03 22:37:00 - [37] Strewth! I'd heard this mission was tough. No-one told me it would be like taking on a large static site of itinerant caravan dwellers. Do ya like dogs? Do ya like dogs? Me ma wants a new caravan!!!
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.01.04 21:44:00 - [38] Originally by: San Badgeros Strewth! I'd heard this mission was tough. No-one told me it would be like taking on a large static site of itinerant caravan dwellers. Do ya like dogs? Do ya like dogs? Me ma wants a new caravan!!! This mission is as bad as pikies? yikes!
Rai Ardose	Posted - 2006.01.08 01:30:00 - [39] Edited by: Rai Ardose on 08/01/2006 01:30:54 anyone tried this or similar setup? : 6x cruiselauncher II 1x EMP Smartbomb (named) 1x Kinetic Smartbomb (named) 1x XL C5-L Booster 1x Shield Extender II 1x Eutectic Caprecharger 3x Hardener (was thinking of 1 EM 1 Thermal and 1 Kinetic) 3x Ballistic Control II 2x Power Diagnostic II I've heard alot about the mission being extremely difficult for a lvl3 mission so im thinking of doing it just to see what everybody is talking about.
Vanye Inovske	Posted - 2006.01.08 01:58:00 - [40] Can't believe how many people are doing this mission with BS-sized weapons and then complaining about how tough it is. Soloed it in a passive tank Ferox, and had to warp in and out a bit (no I didn't do the shuttle trick) because I didn't have assault launchers handy, and had to kludge together an anti-frig fitting out of sub-optimal modules. Was never close to being blown up.

Baron McCormack	Posted - 2006.01.08 11:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Vanye Inovske Can't believe how many people are doing this mission with BS-sized weapons and then complaining about how tough it is. signed "omg!! so many frigs" well, using anti-BS weapons (resolution 400m IS anti-BS) weapons will hardly help there. If you go versus frigs, make sure to have anti-frig weaps equipped, small turrets and assault launchers help a VERY lot on this mission
Stogee	Posted - 2006.01.08 14:50:00 - [42] Edited by: Stogee on 08/01/2006 14:53:11 Edited by: Stogee on 08/01/2006 14:50:20 I do that mission in my thorax with all tech1 gears. takes a while but it is possible. I use 5x125mm rails 3x800 titanium plates med repairer afterburner I warp in and bookmark various points around the deadspace. Basically, I warp in & out and killing one or two (using 5 hammerheads and my rails while tanking) and warp out. I warp to the station and repairer in orbit of the station, when done, I dock to instant refill my cap and undock. Warp in at another point. Your main problem is the two stabbers. If you can lure all the frigates away and warp in near a stabber and take them out first the rest of the mission is alot easier. Often I find I have to take out everybody else first. rinse and repeat can take a while but its possible. also align to warp the moment your in.
Sylaan	Posted - 2006.01.08 14:59:00 - [43] Edited by: Sylaan on 08/01/2006 15:00:55 I used a warp core stabilizer and was no longer scrambled. So just equip one (or 2 if your paranoia level is high) and warp out if things get tough.
Tex Maru	Posted - 2006.01.08 23:33:00 - [44] I solo'd it in a Caracal, all tech1, moderate named stuff. You need crazy range, and skill at kiting. The first caracal I used got hosed pretty decently, but I figured it out from there. I only took out a couple of the support frigs. Took out all the cruisers and a few other of the unique named frigs, and the mission popped up as completed. Hit a few more frigs for loot and turned it in :) . Mission was overall merely break, or maybe in the couple 100k isk profit range with the ship loss. Overall I was lucky, but I've done the surgical target removal thing to finish missions before. As for fitting (no tech II, just moderate named stuff): 5x Heavy Missile C5-L Med AB Target Painter Med Cap Reserve Sensor Booster I PDS WCS
Testy McServer	Posted - 2006.01.09 04:23:00 - [45] I solo'd in a ferox: 5 t2 heavy launchers, 2 med nos 2 active hardeners, 2 large extender IIs, target painter (I, II or named) 2 pdu II, 2 bcu II trick is to warp in at a hundred kilometers and get away before aggro. but attack asap. you have 10 minutes to kill first set of frigs, around 26 i believe, before next wave coems. 3 waves or so. if you cant do it or dont have this skills than just reject the mission. the payoff compared to the risk sucks, which is why a lot of people complain. i like the difficulty, makes it fun, but there either needs to be bounties or they need to double reward and time bonus reward.
Nene Ryuseika	Posted - 2006.01.09 05:03:00 - [46] I did this mission no problem last week, with each of 3 groups showing up after a time.. but now I got it again and it seems like all groups are already there when you show up. Did anyone else notice it this? Even the first part of this mission which has timed groups changed.. Last week I had to wait for the next groups to arrive, this time they all showed up before I was done the first I am sure this mission is bugged. My Zealot eats frigs for lunch but now I cant cant even kill one of them before i'm into hull with 2x med reps running.. After 3 times nearly losing it I quit..
Mnemnoch	Posted - 2006.01.09 13:16:00 - [47] Originally by: Rai Ardose Edited by: Rai Ardose on 08/01/2006 01:30:54 anyone tried this or similar setup? : 6x cruiselauncher II 1x EMP Smartbomb (named) 1x Kinetic Smartbomb (named) 1x XL C5-L Booster 1x Shield Extender II 1x Eutectic Caprecharger 3x Hardener (was thinking of 1 EM 1 Thermal and 1 Kinetic) 3x Ballistic Control II 2x Power Diagnostic II I've heard alot about the mission being extremely difficult for a lvl3 mission so im thinking of doing it just to see what everybody is talking about. I use almost the same setup, only difference is that i use 2x small t2 lasers instead of smartbombs. I've found the missions quite easy with that setup.
Archo X	Posted - 2006.01.09 13:44:00 - [48] Just got this mission and I will be running it soon. (Caldari version) I plan on using: HI 6x Arbalest Cruise Launchers 2x Medium Nos (might go heavy if they fit and I can afford them) MID 1x XL Shield Booster 2x EM Hardner T2 1x Therm hardener T2 1x Kin hardener T2 1x Inv field T2 LOW 1x BCU T2 4x PDS T2 I am just using drones that I have picked up as loot (all mine went pop in an earlier mission) 1x wasp, 3x hammerhead, and... uh... some other medium. I am using a Wrath cruise missiles I don't know what I will be facing in there though. Briefing said Thukker, Gallente, Minmatar, and Republic (is there any republic aside from minnie?) Anyone know what I should expect when I get through the gate? Aside from a bajillion frigs. Are there BSs? Lots of cruisers? Any input would be helpful :D *I do plan on doing the shuttle trick, but doesn't that mean that the reinforcement timer will start, so instead of being able to kill some then deal with more I'll have to take them all at once? Siggy coming soon...
Erris Veloce	Posted - 2006.01.09 17:18:00 - [49] A lot of good advice here. I can't believe how people lose BS's. I am starting to think those people think they are invicible. I see ferox's and cruisers rarely lost, yet apoc, ravens going down all the time. Tactics, studying your combats logs and reading up on the npc types all help tremendously. Bigger is not always better gun wise. Focus fire on those fast frigs first. Make sure your equipped to fight the npc's you are up against. EM, therm, kin, exp, high tracking, close range, align for a quick warp, etc. I hope ccp does't nerf all these missions into dumm dee dumm warp in, tank, kill. How boring. I might as well mine. I am solojng every single lvl 3 mission in my ferox including bonus stages. yeah it's tough sometimes and yes I've had to warp out occaionally, but that is what makes it intersting. I can't even fly a BS if that gives you any inclinaion of my so so skill points.
Daald	Posted - 2006.01.09 17:59:00 - [50] Why do you run Cruise launchers? This was the setup on my scorpion. Highs: 4 Heavy launchers 2 125 mm rails. Meds: 1 large tech 2 booster 1 shield extender 1 amplifier 2 EM hardeners 1 Explosive hardener 1 Kinetic Hardener 1 Thermal Hardener. Lows 2 ballistic modules 1 WCS (Insurance) 1 Damage Control Mod You warp in. Head straight out. When you get aggro, concetrate all fire on the C1 and C2 support frigs. When they are all dead, turn around and wipe the floor with whatever is left. Don't take the drones out until you have killed the first wave. The last time I did that I activated my booster 2 times.

Mnemnoch	Posted - 2006.01.09 18:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Daald Why do you run Cruise launchers? This was the setup on my scorpion. Highs: 4 Heavy launchers 2 125 mm rails. Meds: 1 large tech 2 booster 1 shield extender 1 amplifier 2 EM hardeners 1 Explosive hardener 1 Kinetic Hardener 1 Thermal Hardener. Lows 2 ballistic modules 1 WCS (Insurance) 1 Damage Control Mod You warp in. Head straight out. When you get aggro, concetrate all fire on the C1 and C2 support frigs. When they are all dead, turn around and wipe the floor with whatever is left. Don't take the drones out until you have killed the first wave. The last time I did that I activated my booster 2 times. Why do i use cruise launchers? Because I usually take out frigs with 1 volley. I also use cruise to take out drones, if i use heavies it takes twice as long to kill them.
Daald	Posted - 2006.01.09 19:21:00 - [52] Quote: Why do i use cruise launchers? Because I usually take out frigs with 1 volley. I also use cruise to take out drones, if i use heavies it takes twice as long to kill them. How do you do against very fast moving frigs with low signature? Do you take out the bigger stuff so much faster that it makes it more worthwhile to use Cruise missles? I always figured since the biggest thing I will see on a level 3 is a cruiser I might as well fit as a cruiser :/
Mnemnoch	Posted - 2006.01.09 19:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Daald Quote: Why do i use cruise launchers? Because I usually take out frigs with 1 volley. I also use cruise to take out drones, if i use heavies it takes twice as long to kill them. How do you do against very fast moving frigs with low signature? Do you take out the bigger stuff so much faster that it makes it more worthwhile to use Cruise missles? I always figured since the biggest thing I will see on a level 3 is a cruiser I might as well fit as a cruiser :/ If I have probs with any awkward frigs I use a bayfull of infiltrators and 2x t2 small lasers.
Johnny Johnny	Posted - 2006.01.09 20:36:00 - [54] Done this several times, and it's pretty easy if approached properly. 1) Set your default warp distance to 80K 2) Warp to a different station, or gate to come in at a different angle 3) Standard Raven setup, only variation is 6 Assault Launcher II's + NOS 4) Warp into the mission at 80K, shred all the frigs 5) Takes a little longer to kill the cruisers, but after the frigs are dead, it's no problem. Note on 4), although you set your default to 80K, you'll still come in close (25-40k) from one of the groups, get aligned and start shooting. ------------- Johnny Johnny Originally by: Deja Thoris I'm not doubting you. I'll go further and call you a liar.
Nene Ryuseika	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:38:00 - [55] According to todays patch notes this missions difficulty has been decreased... Has anyone tried it now? I want to know if i should bother accepting it.. the other night I did finish the republic fleet version of this mission, but it must have taken 5 hours in my zealot.. basically warp out after killing 1 frig or half a frig... :-P
Lorette	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Nene Ryuseika According to todays patch notes this missions difficulty has been decreased... Has anyone tried it now? I want to know if i should bother accepting it.. the other night I did finish the republic fleet version of this mission, but it must have taken 5 hours in my zealot.. basically warp out after killing 1 frig or half a frig... :-P Its normal lv3 diff now, not any harder than other lv3's. Hardest wave is 3x republic ruptures and 3-4 frigs.
burning raven	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:29:00 - [57] no need to fly in in a shuttle just right click a stargate on the overview and select default warp distance, worked for me then its no problem doing the mission
VeNT	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:41:00 - [58] better off with heavys or lights VS frigs, I used a ferox and didn't have too meny issues
Seramis	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:01:00 - [59] This mission was easy as it was. I heard a lot of 'Ohh, i lost a BS in there'. I had this mission one time (one or 2 weeks ago). Level 3 Missions i do with my Cerberus, and this mission was not harder with it than others. I warped in, turned around 180¦ and flew with activated Afterburner (little more than 500m/s) away from the rats. During that i started attacking the closest enemy until i killed them all. Then i started looting before the other waves arrived. My fitting (i use this for every Level 3, also for Extravaganza including Bonus Gate): 5 Arbalest Heavy Launcher (XR-3200 will do it too) 1 Medium Nosferatu 1 AB II 1 Medium Shield Booster II 1 Shield Boost Amplifier 1 EM Shield Hardener 1 named Medium Shield Extender 2 Ballistic Control I 2 Power Diagnostic II
Seramis	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:12:00 - [60] Originally by: Demarcus I lost a very expensive tanked raven on this, and a harpy the next day on a different lvl 3 mission all because of being warp scrambled. I filed a petition and have received nothing but auto responses for four days. Subscription canceled. Like I told ccp if I wanted to have to find a group to play I would do complexes, PvP, or lvl 4's. You can't solo a lvl 3 in a Raven? Such bullsh*t. You cancelled your account because u lost a Raven? lol, stop whining then and go, if u don't look for a challenge then go playing halma or something like that. Everyone whines because of ship loss, so all will become easier, that really sucks. There are two nice hard missions now (Technological Secrets level 3, Enemies Abound Level 4), not as easy as other ones, and all the ppl can do is whining so that it will be made easier... Stop whining and die like a man... You can solo every Level 3 in a Cerberus, i do it every day, and I solo every Level 4 in a Raven too ...



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