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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11684
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:40:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote: I understand that the riches of Null Sec are extremely rewarding, but, personally, I don't want to provide other players with an easy source of income. As such, this is one of the reasons I avoid Null Sec, like the plague.
If you buy things in Jita then I have some terrible news for you. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
327
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:19:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:I find the concept of paying other "players" for the right, (for what is), for more rewarding gaming, well, just silly.
I guess you've never bought a ship off the market then? You make all your own ships and modules or just fly newbie ships. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
407
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:29:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Deka Ekato wrote: I understand that the riches of Null Sec are extremely rewarding, but, personally, I don't want to provide other players with an easy source of income. As such, this is one of the reasons I avoid Null Sec, like the plague.
If you buy things in Jita then I have some terrible news for you.
Hey I don't know about YOU, but the minerals I mine are free! I build my ships from scratch!
You can't make me interact with other people.
(Am I doin it rite?) Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4255
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:42:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:I understand that the riches of Null Sec are extremely rewarding, but, personally, I don't want to provide other players with an easy source of income. As such, this is one of the reasons I avoid Null Sec, like the plague. If you buy things in Jita then I have some terrible news for you. Don't tell me, I'm not ready for it There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion.
19
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:48:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?
Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?
Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?
Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK? . OK, so think of it like this: You are a poor farmer. A peasant without any land. You graze your cattle on overworked common land along with all the other peasants. You have no space to grow crops. You cattle are unhealthy and small, you can't make money from the milk, they're too small to slaughter and the hides are worthless. Occasionally the other peasants using the common land kick you off. Your children are malnourished, you eat turnips - every day - and your wife thinks you are a disappointment. Your house is also quite terrible - you have to share it with hundreds of other peasants. You have to survive on 1 groat a month. A wealthy landowner with a private army turns up and says that you can come and work on his land and all you have to do is pay him a tithe. Its 10 groats a month. 10 groats is allot but when you think about it you'll have some prime land all of your own, your cattle will graze and be healthy, there is enough land to grow crops. After you do the math, you realise that you'll be making 100 groats a month easily. In fact you'll have to take on staff to make the land make the most money. You'll not only get a spanking new space castle home but you can build country estates, the land owner will make sure your land is irrigated at no additional cost, he'll even send his standing army in to protect you should the revolting peasants turn up. That army will never set foot on your land unless its to protect it and they certainly can't farm on it. Its punishable by death. The children get new toys, the wife is happy and you'll never have to see another turnip again. You take the landowner up on his offer and after a while you're stinking rich with none of the responsibility of actually maintaining the estate you live on (ok, the country estates need firewood). The peasants you left behind shout "renter" at you, which really means nothing as you look down on them from your golden carriage, dressed in your finest clothes. You even shoot one for the fun of it.
Now the key thing here is the wealthy man with a private army is NOT on your fields. How fast do you think they are going to get to you when you batphone/telegraph/smokesignal when two grotesque Legion duders knock on your door and a third is out doing unthinkable things to your groats?
Perhaps when you are cowering in the walls of your space tower you will think back to the heady days you opened your doors and walked out into the sun in freedom, with only the worry that some guy with his private army might evade the local sheriff and gank your cattle as you watched helplessly. And now you realize you have just become a slave to that same guy and his private army. Well done! |

Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:36:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:I find the concept of paying other "players" for the right, (for what is), for more rewarding gaming, well, just silly. I guess you've never bought a ship off the market then? You make all your own ships and modules or just fly newbie ships.
So, this game play mechanic, ( the "freedom" of living in Null Sec ), is now a, ( player ), marketable product.
Sure, there is a cost to this "freedom", which is, you have to fight others to obtain and hold Sovereignty. But this game mechanic was placed by the game makers as a "free" choice. It is players who have smartly, ( business wise ), but restrictedly, (gameplay wise ), placed a price on this freedom.
Let's not talk about the, ( non exsitant ), opportunities for new/younger Corps the chance to obtain Sovereignty, ( sure they can fight for it, but they have no hope against the current Sovereign juggernaughts ). This is a different matter all together. ( OH!!! I'm guilty of actually bringing this up ). |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4260
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:33:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:Yeep wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:I find the concept of paying other "players" for the right, (for what is), for more rewarding gaming, well, just silly. I guess you've never bought a ship off the market then? You make all your own ships and modules or just fly newbie ships. So, this game play mechanic, ( the "freedom" of living in Null Sec ), is now a, ( player ), marketable product. Sure, there is a cost to this "freedom", which is, you have to fight others to obtain and hold Sovereignty. But this game mechanic was placed by the game makers as a "free" choice. It is players who have smartly, ( business wise ), but restrictedly, (gameplay wise ), placed a price on this freedom. Let's not talk about the, ( non exsitant ), opportunities for new/younger Corps the chance to obtain Sovereignty, ( sure they can fight for it, but they have no hope against the current Sovereign juggernaughts ). This is a different matter all together. ( OH!!! I'm guilty of actually bringing this up ). Aww, that reminds me to check on the fweddit thread There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
331
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Posted - 2013.08.31 07:57:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote: So, this game play mechanic, ( the "freedom" of living in Null Sec ), is now a, ( player ), marketable product..
The only thing paying your subscription entitles you to is access to the game client and servers. You have no inherant right to the limited resources of the Eve universe, especially those currently held by other players. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4262
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Posted - 2013.08.31 09:53:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I mean seriously, I'd just got all comfortable and was able to rat in Delve when I was in IT, and here comes goons. Later, I was in Raiden and then NCDot and here comes (you guessed it), goons again so back to empire I go. I end up in TEST....just in time for a Goon/TEST falling out and war and there I go out of null again......
The entire reason for any Goon offensive is to stop Jenn aSide from enjoying null sec (it's not paranoia if it always happens). They don't observe the law of the blue doughnut at all! This was a good post and the people on EVE-O are too stupid to realize why. +1 But the blue donut There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3545
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Posted - 2013.08.31 09:56:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:Let's not talk about the, ( non exsitant ), opportunities for new/younger Corps the chance to obtain Sovereignty, ( sure they can fight for it, but they have no hope against the current Sovereign juggernaughts ). This is a different matter all together. ( OH!!! I'm guilty of actually bringing this up ).
Diplomacy is a wonderful thing. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

Golar Crexis
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
48
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:33:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:Let's not talk about the, ( non exsitant ), opportunities for new/younger Corps the chance to obtain Sovereignty, ( sure they can fight for it, but they have no hope against the current Sovereign juggernaughts ). This is a different matter all together. ( OH!!! I'm guilty of actually bringing this up ).
My alliance holds sov. We fought for it and we get to keep it.
And it can be yours for prices as low as 3bil per month for a small corp and 500-1 bil once off for individuals. If you want to know more about our sov I have a thread in the sell forum
If you want to know how we got our sov have a look at test alliances capital losses 
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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:53:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Deka Ekato wrote: So, this game play mechanic, ( the "freedom" of living in Null Sec ), is now a, ( player ), marketable product..
The only thing paying your subscription entitles you to is access to the game client and servers. You have no inherant right to the limited resources of the Eve universe, especially those currently held by other players.
Sovereignty gives holders the ability to live in peace, ( besides from other Alliances trying to take it away from you ), within held teritory, as such they gain "easier" access to the rich resources of that area, as such they have the "right" to defend their teritory.
All non renting players might not have a "right" to live in held teritory, but they still have the "freedom", to choose, to try to make a living, from held teritory, ( although, of course, it's a risky choice, for holders would kill tresspassers, when discovered ). |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3549
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:06:00 -
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I love how renting has been going on for years & no one really cared, until Goons did it. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

Golar Crexis
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
49
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:20:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:I love how renting has been going on for years & no one really cared, until Goons did it. Because goons are evil scammers who steal from children and all sort of other nasty things.
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Kharisa Tzestu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:12:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:I love how renting has been going on for years & no one really cared, until Goons did it. I don't know what everybody elses excuse is, but I know that I have been anti-renter since I first became aware of it.
I've never really been vocal about it because it hasn't been really as prevalent as it has recently become. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4263
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Posted - 2013.08.31 18:16:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:I love how renting has been going on for years & no one really cared, until Goons did it. There are no goons just renters There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
81
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Posted - 2013.08.31 18:57:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Why rent deserted nullsec space when you can trespass and not see another ship for weeks at a time?
there's a lot of posts both for and against but I didn't see any that address this point. Why bother paying a rent when you can just go to a quiet sov system and rat away? |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4263
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Posted - 2013.08.31 19:44:00 -
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Do it. Clearly the belt ratting is the way to go. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Kharisa Tzestu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.08.31 19:55:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Do it. Clearly the belt ratting is the way to go. Now I know you're being facetious and all, but really, you can have the headache of maintaining Sov and making sure all of the little drones are happy and we can just ninja daytrip through space we don't need to pay for.
Keep your towers fueled now, make sure all of your precious reactions are being properly chained, worry about what blue is an awoxer and which alliance in the Happy-Go-Lucky-Let's-All-Hold-Hands-And-Sing-Kumbaya Coalition is going to go rogue next because the grass is greener "over there".
Don't forget to make sure that your Sov bills are paid too.
When it all boils down to it, even -0.0 belt ratting is better than what can be had in Empire and there isn't anyone there to fight for it. Just go to an empty system in a throwaway ship and belt rat or scan sigs or mine in Ventures. If you make it out alive with some profit, you're richer than you were when you went in and you've had more fun than you can have in Empire dealing with all of the asshats trying to make life hard for "carebears".
If you don't make it out alive, did you really lose anything by going to go have some fun in (and this is the key) something you can afford to lose. |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11742
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Posted - 2013.08.31 20:28:00 -
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Kharisa Tzestu wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Do it. Clearly the belt ratting is the way to go. Now I know you're being facetious and all, but really, you can have the headache of maintaining Sov and making sure all of the little drones are happy and we can just ninja daytrip through space we don't need to pay for. Keep your towers fueled now, make sure all of your precious reactions are being properly chained, worry about what blue is an awoxer and which alliance in the Happy-Go-Lucky-Let's-All-Hold-Hands-And-Sing-Kumbaya Coalition is going to go rogue next because the grass is greener "over there". Don't forget to make sure that your Sov bills are paid too. When it all boils down to it, even -0.0 belt ratting is better than what can be had in Empire and there isn't anyone there to fight for it. Just go to an empty system in a throwaway ship and belt rat or scan sigs or mine in Ventures. If you make it out alive with some profit, you're richer than you were when you went in and you've had more fun than you can have in Empire dealing with all of the asshats trying to make life hard for "carebears". If you don't make it out alive, did you really lose anything by going to go have some fun in (and this is the key) something you can afford to lose. It never occurred to me that some of the random neutrals in nowhere systems might be AFK ratting in anomalies. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4263
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Posted - 2013.08.31 20:36:00 -
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Ratting neutrals. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Phil Defer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.31 21:15:00 -
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Come expecting the statement...
"Renters are the weakest link of the chain in..." WHAT !!!
GSM are renting their space ? HILARIOUS !!!
"Quote : Prince Kobol wrote : For years the goons have mocked people who have rented but now they need those same people"
They need "pubbies"? "carebears" ? "stupid hi-sec people"? SEEMS LEGIT !!
This is more likely to be the GSM 2 nd d+¬cade mega scam lol
That said
DEAR FUTURE GSM RENTERS : CAUTION !
When your rented system start to be camped by cloakers , to hot drop your juicy expensive "pubbiecarebearpwonmobiles" PVE fitted.
When your juicy freighters start to be destroyed by hi-sec alts , for the prize and for the LULZ
YOUR TEARS WILL BE DELICIOUS
* Left satisfied :)
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11852
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Posted - 2013.08.31 21:28:00 -
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What exactly is the GSM? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Daimon Kaiera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
397
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Posted - 2013.08.31 21:36:00 -
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The alliance's tag is PBLRD
lol .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--. |

Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
8
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:44:00 -
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Phil Defer wrote: DEAR FUTURE GSM RENTERS : CAUTION !
When your rented system start to be camped by cloakers , to hot drop your juicy expensive "pubbiecarebearpwonmobiles" PVE fitted.
When your juicy freighters start to be destroyed by hi-sec alts , for the prize and for the LULZ
YOUR TEARS WILL BE DELICIOUS
* Left satisfied :)
This is some BS right here. You think renters are dumb? Anyone running a 0.0 renting corp is gonna have a clue and the capabilities otherwise you aren't gonna sign anyone up. And all the nubs that will lose whatever will just have their stuff replaced and hopefully a lesson learned.
Also anyone running in some expensive PVE pwnmobile is gonna be a hard target. Yea sure they are killed every now and then, but if you would compare how many people actually use expensive ships in 0.0 vs ones who lose them it's not even a comparison. It's like stepping on an ant in a forest, it's not relevant.
Also this tears part is getting rather old. Real tears are usually shed by elite solo pvp'er, especially when you bait them. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4263
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:47:00 -
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Enduros wrote:Real tears are usually shed by elite solo pvp'er Never not Harry teas There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
8
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Enduros wrote:Real tears are usually shed by elite solo pvp'er Never not Harry teas Well at least he owns it and posts on his main, unlike some people... |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4263
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:56:00 -
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Ok, yeah. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.09.03 02:59:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:And we are talking about a game, not real life. You might pay rent in real life, but paying rent in a game, to me, is silly. - Why? Because you are paying other "players"" so as to have fun. (Paying CCP, the game maker, to access the game is totally different. Sadly I can't find the words so as to describe this difference). I don't see a tangible difference. I pay ~550 million ISK per month per account to play EVE Online. That is considerably higher than what the per-player cost to rent space is. If you are OK with PLEX, then I don't see why you wouldn't be OK with renting. So basically, you are advising players to rent so "they" can pay for "your" subscription, with ISK.
Bump.
No matter how tempting the riches of Null Sec are, renters, in the end, are providing their landlords with a passive source of easy income, thereby giving them even more wealth.
Renters, don't be/become a puppet/security buffer, or even be possibly scamed by these landlords.
Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Sure, they might not as rewarding as renting, but at least you'll be free. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4278
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Posted - 2013.09.03 03:38:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Sure, they might not as rewarding Haha, really?
Deka Ekato wrote:No matter how tempting the riches of Null Sec are, renters, in the end, are providing their landlords with a passive source of easy income, thereby giving them even more wealth. Join N3, if you don't get stomped on by blackops, you can help feed the coalition announced by progodlegend as existing to destroy GSF.
What could be better? Except that they will even leave a fight to save you if you're moronic. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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