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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:32:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:More ISK, more opportunity, and more freedom. More... unchecked botting for the RMT farm? It is fascinating to read all the people who were "nerf high sec in the name of risk vs return", are all now claiming "come to null sec and partake in the fountain of riches". Guess they know their job is done and high sec income potential is soon to be hammered into the ground. Do you see a problem with risky behaviour being more rewarding? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:33:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It is fascinating to read all the people who were "nerf high sec in the name of risk vs return", are all now claiming "come to null sec and partake in the fountain of riches".
Guess they know their job is done and high sec income potential is soon to be hammered into the ground.
 I don't recall saying anything about nerf highsec. Do you have me confused with someone else. Note: I don't want anyone to come to Null. I don't want my Neighborhood too crowded.  He is using you as a proxy for arguments made by imaginary people in his head. He is too far gone even to invoke a proper strawman argument, and so much settle for pretending that you're one of his strawmen. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4246
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:33:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:The rise in numbers of "systems for rent" across null may help bring the price of same renting systems down. This "renting" thing may bring a lot of people into nulll sec again. Which is not a bad thing. This could even help some of the renters become systems owners themselves. It will also fuel the desire among many parties for "good fights," "small gangs," and ~wulfpax~. TEST Alliance is back? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:38:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: When individual players in the game measure their wealth by the trillions, and their monthly personal income by the hundreds of billions, you really have to wonder what they do with that money. At least, some wonder. The obvious answer is the one that shall not be named.
Speaking as someone whose personal income is measured merely in the tens of billions, a good chunk of my income goes to PLEX for each of the mining accounts I use. I wish I had the patience for market spreadsheets and importing things, but I don't. But if I did, then I know there is a huge potential for me to invest my liquid capital into importing and making even more money. Many people do this, and that is what they do with most of their moneyGÇöthey keep it tied up in assets. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:38:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:More ISK, more opportunity, and more freedom. More... unchecked botting for the RMT farm? We're talking about null sec, not the Forge (where most botting occurs). Didn't they ban market bots at one point? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:39:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:The rise in numbers of "systems for rent" across null may help bring the price of same renting systems down. This "renting" thing may bring a lot of people into nulll sec again. Which is not a bad thing. This could even help some of the renters become systems owners themselves. It will also fuel the desire among many parties for "good fights," "small gangs," and ~wulfpax~. TEST Alliance is back? We should rent them part of Fountain. Maybe not the whole region, but I think 15% is fair. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:39:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:But missions don't run out, do they? Unlike rocks I guess. Rocks only run out in Empire. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:No, join ncdot, that way your isk will go towards destroying gsf Please do this and please engineer an invasion. I need a good war to keep me interested in EVE Online. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:42:00 -
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Anuminas Alland wrote:K, I'm sold, here's 10 groats. Can you guys JF all my stuff out? I'll contract all the corp goods over to you. I totes trust all of you now.
If you find a goon trying to rental scam, then please keep logs and screenshots. Send them to me via evemail. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:43:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:"Why reward those who control Null Sec..." This is both your answer and where you fall from understanding. Think of it this way: Why pay rent for a house you don't own?Someone, other than the renter, took the initiative and spent an enormous amount of time and resources to secure that space, So you could come just come by and make isk. If you want it for free, come and take it. But then it's not free. Are you saying that the only way to have access to the space is to pay for it? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:44:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:harry's greatest goal is to solo bomb the sandbox itself! He solo bombed 20 jet cans full of ice one night. It made me sad. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:45:00 -
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Enduros wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Harry Forever wrote:all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned
if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city So I take it that is a no to coming and renting out a little bit of our prime real estate then? You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit. It might be, but it might also be some elaborate long-term scam you are running and one fine day your renters will find their underware pulled over their faces. I was in CFC like 2 years ago and I think you guys touched me in inappropriate places while I wasn't looking so it might just be residual effect. I am curious to know what entity within the CFC you were a part of, but not curious enough to dig through your employment history and cross-check with all the various member corps. Would you just come out and tell me? I would also like to know in what way GSF or the rest of the CFC mistreated you. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:46:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:What is the typical rental rate these days? And what does that get you? Can you claim Sov for your rented system? Install your own upgrades? Place an outpost? You do not claim sov; you do not get cyno jammers or CSAAs; you do not get R64s. Rates depend on the system value, based on a metric of factors; for example, a system with an outpost is worth more than a system without one; a dead-end system is worth more, etc. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4247
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:52:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Enduros wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Harry Forever wrote:all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned
if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city So I take it that is a no to coming and renting out a little bit of our prime real estate then? You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit. It might be, but it might also be some elaborate long-term scam you are running and one fine day your renters will find their underware pulled over their faces. I was in CFC like 2 years ago and I think you guys touched me in inappropriate places while I wasn't looking so it might just be residual effect. I am curious to know what entity within the CFC you were a part of, but not curious enough to dig through your employment history and cross-check with all the various member corps. Would you just come out and tell me? I would also like to know in what way GSF or the rest of the CFC mistreated you. Do you really care There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:52:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:i rent in rl too , tought it was normal in a game too , srry There's no need to apologize. There's nothing unreasonable about paying some of your space money as rent for a cool place to fly your spaceship around and do cool stuff. The truth is that we are all transients. Some of us are just not comfortable with this. I don't know if being comfortable with it means you are more enlightened, less enlightened, or just different. Fly safe. This is also a good point. I don't know how many people in this thread pay for their accounts with real world currency vs in game space gold via PLEX, but I am one of the latter. I effectively pay a bit less than 6 billion ISK per month in "rent," to maintain my ten accounts. Obviously this allows me to conduct in game activities that are profitable for me, or I wouldn't be able to do it. Renting a system is a similar thing, just you're paying it to the renter alliance rather than (or in addition to) the Jita market. And if you are paying your subscription with real world currency, then you are renting in real life for virtual assets. I honestly don't see what the big deal is to rent with virtual money for virtual assets. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:55:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Enduros wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Harry Forever wrote:all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned
if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city So I take it that is a no to coming and renting out a little bit of our prime real estate then? You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit. It might be, but it might also be some elaborate long-term scam you are running and one fine day your renters will find their underware pulled over their faces. I was in CFC like 2 years ago and I think you guys touched me in inappropriate places while I wasn't looking so it might just be residual effect. I am curious to know what entity within the CFC you were a part of, but not curious enough to dig through your employment history and cross-check with all the various member corps. Would you just come out and tell me? I would also like to know in what way GSF or the rest of the CFC mistreated you. Do you really care Of course! I am space friend to all. Lyris Nairn 2013: I care about carebears. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4247
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:56:00 -
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Renting from CCP eh There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
132
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Posted - 2013.08.30 00:57:00 -
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IF YOU RENT FROM GOONS
I AM ALWAYS BAIT
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4247
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Posted - 2013.08.30 01:00:00 -
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The Djentleman Paulson wrote:IF YOU RENT FROM GOONS
I AM ALWAYS BAIT
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED AFK cloaker not seen, because cloaked There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
110
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Posted - 2013.08.30 01:07:00 -
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Don't nullseccers whine about nullsec not being profitable and there being no reason for people to leave hisec? Don't a lot of nullseccers create hisec incursion alts to earn their ISK? Yet paying money to live in nullsec is profitable and worthwhile? Hmmmm.... does not compute. |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 01:23:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Renting from CCP eh It's just a difference of perspective. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11679
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Posted - 2013.08.30 01:23:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Don't nullseccers whine about nullsec not being profitable and there being no reason for people to leave hisec? Don't a lot of nullseccers create hisec incursion alts to earn their ISK? Yet paying money to live in nullsec is profitable and worthwhile? Hmmmm.... does not compute. Do you need me to draw you a diagram? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4247
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Posted - 2013.08.30 01:40:00 -
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Do you actually care enough to bother There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11680
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Posted - 2013.08.30 01:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Do you actually care enough to bother I have a burning desire to inflict my MS paint skills on an unprepared audience. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.08.30 02:07:00 -
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If you're going to rent space in null, you might as well rent from the Goons. After all, you wouldn't want to drive a Toyota or a Ford or Honda when you could be driving a Lexus or a Cadillac or an Acura. You wouldn't want to eat from the fast food dollar menu when you could have a full course meal at a 4-star restaurant. Why would you want to make it with your drunk, ugly cousin when you could do it with a beautiful swimsuit model?
Accepting anything less than the Goonswarm Federation, the premier null sec alliance, as your lord and master . . . well, that's just uncivilized. |

Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
290
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Posted - 2013.08.30 02:17:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?
Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?
Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?
Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?
Hey, its only a game. You are bound to find other ways to enjoy Eve.
Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.
Don't allow the Power Blocs to brag, "Look at how much space we have". Make them earn the right to be able to say, "Look at how much space we can controll".
Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent.
To clarify, this is an anti-renting thread.
Deka.
It's really quite simple. If you are heavily into mining and/or industry then nullsec can be VASTLY more profitable than highsec. Some people want to involve themselves with nullsec industry but do not want to deal with the pvp aspects of defending sov space, so they pay rent to be able to live in nullsec without the pvp obligations typically associated with living in nullsec.
This might not seem like much to an individual who mostly just runs missions or incursions in highsec, but to a corp of industrialists it is a potential goldmine. Not only do they get access to resources and activities not available in highsec (i.e. high end minerals and the ability to build/sell capital ships/supercaps) they also usually get a local market to sell their product to without having to ship to highsec (especially for capital ships/supers)/
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4247
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Posted - 2013.08.30 02:33:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Do you actually care enough to bother I have a burning desire to inflict my MS paint skills on an unprepared audience. Just do it There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:16:00 -
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- Lyris Nairn, what's up with the PR campaign you seem to have initiated? - Why the multi-multiple posting?
- Why do players choose to rent? Sure, there are riches in Null Sec, but in the end, renters are providing their landlords with a passive source of easy income.
And we are talking about a game, not real life. You might pay rent in real life, but paying rent in a game, to me, is silly. - Why? Because you are paying other "players"" so as to have fun. (Paying CCP, the game maker, to access the game is totally different. Sadly I can't find the words so as to describe this difference).
Fair enough, this emergent player behaviour is good business for both landlord and renter, but still, why choose to bassically play other players for the right to play.
People, just stay out of Sovereign Space. Let the Power Blocs actually work so as to maintain control of what they have. Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Don't waste your ISK, by giving it to Overlords. Don't help the Power Blocs become even richer and stronger from Your play time. Don't let them make You into their puppet/safety buffer. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4248
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:20:00 -
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But the ~isk per hour~. You can only mine so much in highsec, oh and RORQURAL BOOSTS. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4248
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:21:00 -
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Pay a fine or serve your sentence
Then pay with your blood ! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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