People like paying for the privilege of not having to defend their space. You know those alliances that fall apart when they get invaded? They should be renting.

Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.

The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?

Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?

Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?

Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?

Hey, its only a game. You are bound to find other ways to enjoy Eve.

Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.

Don't allow the Power Blocs to brag, "Look at how much space we have". Make them earn the right to be able to say, "Look at how much space we can controll".

Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent.

To clarify, this is an anti-renting thread.

Deka.

Why....

Watch the game mechanic changes coming in with the December iteration, and then you will see why people will be moving into null.

Nullsec ratting is better then running lvl4's in highsec. Cause you undock>warp to site and start shoting rats. And the salvage/loot is aswell direct infront of your door. Mining can aswell be more profitable due to the higher end ores you can get. Nullsec is offering more comfort and you dont have to worry that your ship is getting ganked while using expensive faction/deadspace fits.

As a renter, would part of the agreement be protection from those scary AFK clockers I was reading about in that other thread?

People arent being forced to become nullsec renters.

Null sec coalitions are just providing that service for those that want it.

As for *making them work for it*: They took the space to begin with and they will most likely defend the space if it is being attacked, if the renters could take their own space they would not have to be renters now would they?

Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?

Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent!

More ISK, more opportunity, and more freedom.

if the renters could take their own space they would not have to be renters now would they?

As a renter, would part of the agreement be protection from those scary AFK clockers I was reading about in that other thread?

More... unchecked botting for the RMT farm?

... Or are you totally on your own out there?

I'd rather Iteron mine in 1.0 sec myself.

Groveling at the feet of an Overlord for "fun"? No, don't see it happening.

Oh and ABC's, A and X type loots and pirate implants/ BPC's

The alternative is to simply start taking SOV and realize you can't defend it with your small Alliance. While I don't like it I do understand why people would rent a part of nullsec. Personally I believe that when you are financially able to rent, you can also exploit a C2-3 wormhole and have a "full" sense of system ownership, despite lack of sov.

Renting isn't slavery though, it's beneficial to both sides, but I am in agreement with OP that you do sink ISK making someone else richer. If this is something you disagree with in principle, don't rent. Stay poor. The game is more interesting solving problems with limited resources anyway.

*un dock set some relaxing music video on 2nd screen,lay down in a chair and reads a book.....

Damn sure is good being hi sec carebear cheap too.

Best of luck finding people that won't go monkey **** at 25% tax and no active leadership.

You'd be surprised just how many are willing to join at 20% with no CTA's or any "must attend" corp ops. If you want to set it to 25% just be willing to carrier jump stuff they need once a week.
There's a huge number of high-sec people who want to try 0.0 without any forced corp ops / cta's. The no active leadership isn't an issue as long as your recruitment policy catches potential awoxers (full api / proper checks etc needed). Most of them just want to rat or mine in peace.

Renting is nothing like that. This clearly shows you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
When you rent space, you pay your rent, which is essentially like tax but you pay in a single hit. After that, you do whatever you want. You don't have to go on ops, you don't have to defend your space. You simply rat or mine or roam or whatever you want.
If anything, Renters have less of an "overlord" structure than a regular corp in an alliance. A regular corp pays tax, has to go on OPs and has too defend their space.

If it only it was really like that.

I have had experience with Renters who were complete dicks, wouldn't lift a finger to help, had more rules then most countries have laws and were very restrictive on what you could and could not do.

Other Renters basically couldn't give a damn, its your space, you do what you want.

Each Renter Alliance is different.

I know the Goons have now become renters hence the charm offensive but jesus don't over do it :)

They took the space to begin with and they will most likely defend the space if it is being attacked, if the renters could take their own space they would not have to be renters now would they?

Biggest reason people rent is to not have to deal with alliance drama and other chores like CTAs and elite PvP where you sit on a titan for 2 hours with 100 of your closest lemmings before you bridge on top of an ihub. Also they want you to train into **** like the drake and then wake up at 4am to go fly that stupid ship 30 jumps away.

Ever been in a big alliance? The amount of red tape you need to get though just to be able to log in to a mumble server is mind-boggling. Then you have your 3 different jabbers, irc, 4 forums and something else, cause like you gotta have access to coalition channels am I right? Granted this is from 2-3 years ago but I doubt anything has really changed.

The you have your constant "they are **** but look at how awesome we are" at all levels across the whole coalition. Even though the metric by which you measure it is how many people showed up and how much KM whoring they accomplished. The last real real pvp I did in FA was when we were suppose to kill a hydra blops gang: everyone docked and I lost a vaga, gf!

Basically you pay to be left alone and do pretty much whatever you want. It's you, the lemmings, who are the real slaves. Granted some people really enjoy that sort of thing, but there are also those that do not. I'm sorry that you think we are playing the game wrong.

Oh and the extreme slavery you talk about is a few hours (1-3) of ratting income per month per active corp member to cover the rent. When you pull in 20mil/tick minimum up to like 45 in a carrier it's really a drop in the ocean. Count in escalations and faction loot and shipsBPCs your biggest concern becomes logistics, not the rent.

How terrible must you be at PvE (in this game lol) to see rent as some sort of slavery? The one evening you would spend in a fleet doing nothing but smack eachother will cover the rent. By the end of the month some people can afford to buy themselves a nyx or something if they are motivated to click enough red crosses.

you do whatever you want. You don't have to go on ops, you don't have to defend your space. You simply rat or mine or roam or whatever you want.
If anything, Renters have less of an "overlord" structure than a regular corp in an alliance. A regular corp pays tax, has to go on OPs and has too defend their space.

WHs are much more work though . . . In a WH it becomes difficult if you don't have people online reliably at the same time . . . As for holding sov as a small 5 man corp... good luck with that. You will need lots and lots of friends.

You are describing the hardship of operating in null without the backing of a large coalition. You are arguing that circumventing that hardship by paying someone else allows you to be "free" and to "play the game" the way you want. But, the hardship that you guys are describing IS "the game" of EVE Online . . . isn't it? And if it is, and if you are avoiding it, then what are you paying for? If it isn't, then what IS the game?

Yeah, but most of them also want a tiny amount of structure. Not to mention that anyone mining doesn't pay tax so will be seen as non-contributing. If this was a readily doable plan, ther entire rental space would be filled with alt corps. But it's not.
Having been in a corp that rented, it's just not as simple as "dump them in a corp, come back and harvest isk". They are players, not crops.

They are players, not crops.

You are describing the hardship of operating in null without the backing of a large coalition. You are arguing that circumventing that hardship by paying someone else allows you to be "free" and to "play the game" the way you want. But, the hardship that you guys are describing IS "the game" of EVE Online . . . isn't it? And if it is, and if you are avoiding it, then what are you paying for? If it isn't, then what IS the game?

I don't bot... do a little PI, PvE, and PvP. That seems to bother you...why?

You pay rent to do what you could almost do in solo and for free?

Why pay rent to live in Null Sec... when you can simply join a nulls sec corp without much effort and dont pay some stupid rent

There are many parts to EvE.

A small PvP Corp might not want the requirement that come with defending sovereignty, so instead they rent space and use it as a base of operation to support their PvP. Do you feel this is wrong?

Very few players do everything in EvE; and most pick those areas that they are interested in. Some players have never mined, traded, run industry, etc. It is a choice.

AFK cloaking is the best way to play eve

At present my corp requires virtually nothing of me, in your experience what does the major Null Corps require?

I don't feel that the individual is fully wrong for making choices for strictly economic reasons...

I do feel that in aggregate, it is leading civilization on a path that I don't want to go down....

... The overlord that you are paying will use what you pay him to extinguish all resistance, and once he has done that . . . well, what happens when there is only 1 wolf in a world full of sheep? Given that you cannot fight for yourself, what is to stop him from raising the rent or reducing the benefits or just extinguishing you, too?

More... unchecked botting for the RMT farm?

It is fascinating to read all the people who were "nerf high sec in the name of risk vs return", are all now claiming "come to null sec and partake in the fountain of riches".

Guess they know their job is done and high sec income potential is soon to be hammered into the ground.

I don't recall saying anything about nerf highsec. Do you have me confused with someone else.



Note: I don't want anyone to come to Null. I don't want my Neighborhood too crowded.

...Again: people pay rent to farm ISK in safety of deep 0.0 space where chance to meet any danger is almost zero.

yea, the best place to live is empty space (read "live" = "farm ISK")
yea, the best place to "PVP" is empty space (read "PVP" = "farm ISK")

i remember my time in deeps of Legion of Death space.... when i haven't see neutral face for days. PvP? yes, people used to travel 20+ jumps into LXQ or other "pvp" systems to do any pvp....

Again: people pay rent to farm ISK in safety of deep 0.0 space where chance to meet any danger is almost zero.

I love to be blue.

More... unchecked botting for the RMT farm?

Hi Sec makes people superior and slightly magical.

I, for example, can rat and mine at the same time without being at my PC or using a bot.
And all that with just one account.

- High Sec, it's magic.

The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?

Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?

Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?

Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?
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OK, so think of it like this:

You are a poor farmer. A peasant without any land. You graze your cattle on overworked common land along with all the other peasants. You have no space to grow crops. You cattle are unhealthy and small, you can't make money from the milk, they're too small to slaughter and the hides are worthless. Occasionally the other peasants using the common land kick you off. Your children are malnourished, you eat turnips - every day - and your wife thinks you are a disappointment. Your house is also quite terrible - you have to share it with hundreds of other peasants. You have to survive on 1 groat a month.

A wealthy landowner with a private army turns up and says that you can come and work on his land and all you have to do is pay him a tithe. Its 10 groats a month. 10 groats is allot but when you think about it you'll have some prime land all of your own, your cattle will graze and be healthy, there is enough land to grow crops. After you do the math, you realise that you'll be making 100 groats a month easily. In fact you'll have to take on staff to make the land make the most money. You'll not only get a spanking new space castle home but you can build country estates, the land owner will make sure your land is irrigated at no additional cost, he'll even send his standing army in to protect you should the revolting peasants turn up. That army will never set foot on your land unless its to protect it and they certainly can't farm on it. Its punishable by death. The children get new toys, the wife is happy and you'll never have to see another turnip again.

You take the landowner up on his offer and after a while you're stinking rich with none of the responsibility of actually maintaining the estate you live on (ok, the country estates need firewood). The peasants you left behind shout "renter" at you, which really means nothing as you look down on them from your golden carriage, dressed in your finest clothes. You even shoot one for the fun of it.

OK, so think of it like this:

You are a poor farmer. A peasant without any land. You graze your cattle on overworked common land along with all the other peasants. You have no space to grow crops. You cattle are unhealthy and small, you can't make money from the milk, they're too small to slaughter and the hides are worthless. Occasionally the other peasants using the common land kick you off. Your children are malnourished, you eat turnips - every day - and your wife thinks you are a disappointment. Your house is also quite terrible - you have to share it with hundreds of other peasants. You have to survive on 1 groat a month.

A wealthy landowner with a private army turns up and says that you can come and work on his land and all you have to do is pay him a tithe. Its 10 groats a month. 10 groats is allot but when you think about it you'll have some prime land all of your own, your cattle will graze and be healthy, there is enough land to grow crops. After you do the math, you realise that you'll be making 100 groats a month easily. In fact you'll have to take on staff to make the land make the most money. You'll not only get a spanking new space castle home but you can build country estates, the land owner will make sure your land is irrigated at no additional cost, he'll even send his standing army in to protect you should the revolting peasants turn up. That army will never set foot on your land unless its to protect it and they certainly can't farm on it. Its punishable by death. The children get new toys, the wife is happy and you'll never have to see another turnip again.

You take the landowner up on his offer and after a while you're stinking rich with none of the responsibility of actually maintaining the estate you live on (ok, the country estates need firewood). The peasants you left behind shout "renter" at you, which really means nothing as you look down on them from your golden carriage, dressed in your finest clothes. You even shoot one for the fun of it.

Test Alliance, Please Rent (then NCdot will defend you even if you manage to drop all your sov)

"Why reward those who control Null Sec..."

No, join ncdot, that way your isk will go towards destroying gsf

The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?

Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?

Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?

Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?

Hey, its only a game. You are bound to find other ways to enjoy Eve.

Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.

Don't allow the Power Blocs to brag, "Look at how much space we have". Make them earn the right to be able to say, "Look at how much space we can controll".

Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent.

To clarify, this is an anti-renting thread.

Deka.

Do you hear the black helicopters flying over your house at night?

all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned

if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city

So I take it that is a no to coming and renting out a little bit of our prime real estate then?

You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit.

I don't want to be a Negative Nellie but I'm gonna have to agree here. Tell ya what, you send me 1/2 the rent of one system to show that you're serious. I'll triple it and send it right back to ya.

Looks like the PBLRD alliance is up to like 135 now, those guys seem quite content making mad dough from those sweet Guristas sites

What is the typical rental rate these days? And what does that get you? Can you claim Sov for your rented system? Install your own upgrades? Place an outpost?

half of those 135 are GSF alts

"18/135 = 0.5" -- you, 2013

i rent in rl too , tought it was normal in a game too , srry

The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?

Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?

Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?

Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?

Hey, its only a game. You are bound to find other ways to enjoy Eve.

Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.

Don't allow the Power Blocs to brag, "Look at how much space we have". Make them earn the right to be able to say, "Look at how much space we can controll".

Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent.

To clarify, this is an anti-renting thread.

Deka.

If you could exploit all of these resources without a sovereignty infrastructure, or if you could build the required sovereignty infrastructure to do it on this scale by yourself, then there would be no need to rent. But you cannot, and so your options as an entity that cannot take space and build a sovereignty infrastructure are to just do without these riches or to rent for acces to them. Renting is a much lower-effort option, and its real costs are considerably less than those that would be required to fully invest oneself in the taking and holding of space.

According to dotlan only 1 corp is more then 2 weeks old. Also accepting tinfoils hats contracted to me in stations I have no access to.

Deny yourself, deny goons.

so for some reason you think we would create shill corps that don't pay rent, recruit a bunch of people into those corps to use our space rent and tax free, to accomplish what exactly?

nevermind, stay in hisec

so for some reason you think we would create shill corps that don't pay rent, recruit a bunch of people into those corps to use our space rent and tax free, to accomplish what exactly?

nevermind, stay in hisec

Don't listen to Andski. We would do exactly that, all for the explicit purpose of twirling our waxed mustaches while we cackle maniacally. All of this would occur while wearing a smoking jacket, petting a white cat, wearing a monocle, and enjoying a dinner of human infants sauteed in the blood of maidens.

A rental agreement benefits both parties. The owners of the space make ISK from space that would otherwise be unused and the renters live in space where they can mine, rat, or whatever without getting taxed or having to go on ops.

If that bothers you, don't rent.

If it smells like a scam, chances are Goons are doing it.

I like you better than the other goons. Don't let them tell you to stop posting.

People like paying for the privilege of not having to defend their space. You know those alliances that fall apart when they get invaded? They should be renting.

If you've been a pampered nullbear who was recently made to leave your sov due to, uh, reasons, come to Curse! All the benefits of null and no one can invade and take it away from you. Bring your carrier to rat in and don't forget those faction fittings!

I don't know.

The issue that I see is that everyone that wants to rent does it from NCDOT now.

And that most non-goons don't like goons because of past experiences so they might have a problem giving them money.

Unless former TEST people really don't hold a grudge about being whipped so badly and decide to rent their former homes from the goons.

Test Alliance, Please Rent (then NCdot will defend you even if you manage to drop all your sov)

Yeah, don't you hate it when people spend ISK and claim that they're doing it to have fun? That is so lame. Fun is simply irrelevant beside a great big pile of ISK.

Watch the game mechanic changes coming in with the December iteration, and then you will see why people will be moving into null.

I'd rather Iteron mine in 1.0 sec myself.

Groveling at the feet of an Overlord for "fun"? No, don't see it happening.

More ISK, more opportunity, and more freedom.

False. Most non-goons are completely ignorant of goons (and of most of the metagame), because they do not interact with other players, read the forums, or otherwise interact with out of game resources. We would like to grab those players, who are content to play a single player version of EVE Online in high sec, and put them in nullsec where they will make even more money than they already make doing missions.

Nullsec ratting is better then running lvl4's in highsec. Cause you undock>warp to site and start shoting rats. And the salvage/loot is aswell direct infront of your door. Mining can aswell be more profitable due to the higher end ores you can get. Nullsec is offering more comfort and you dont have to worry that your ship is getting ganked while using expensive faction/deadspace fits.

1.) Doesn't that mean the goons are failing in their mission to bring their way of gameplay to EVE?

2.) Are people who don't read the forums, websites, or don't get ganked by the goons even in the market for renting?

I mean seriously, is the market for renting even that big? Are you going to get all those carebears into null?

And if they do but as soon as they lose some ships to say NCDOT raids targeting renters directly, won't they just go back to hi-sec?

Do you hear the black helicopters flying over your house at night?

Excellent quintuple post.

Well I like your logic Lyris. You are the most logical and polite goon I have met on the forums thus far so I concede your points and agree with your sentiments.

As a renter, would part of the agreement be protection from those scary AFK clockers I was reading about in that other thread?

Nobody can protect anyone from an AFK cloaker because they are AFK and cloaked you see?

Landlords may send people to deal with a hardcore gang in your area but there are no agreements to do so. Basically all the landlord is obligated to do is protect the sovreignty.

You joke, but with the risk of turning this into another cloaking thread, you guys always laugh at the "HAHA if he's AFK he can't kill you!" But the point that most try to raise which you don't answer, you just continue dropping the same overused joke is, how do you tell who is AFK, and who is a threat? The answer is, you can't tell, so any time you go out with a cloaker in system, you run a risk.

Personally I am willing to run that risk. By swapping into cheaper ships, I can usually make more isk than I'm likely to lose, but it's up to the individual to assess that risk and act accordingly.

But go ahead, keep recycling the same lame joke in every thread.

People arent being forced to become nullsec renters.

Null sec coalitions are just providing that service for those that want it.

As for *making them work for it*: They took the space to begin with and they will most likely defend the space if it is being attacked, if the renters could take their own space they would not have to be renters now would they?



Do keep in mind that Im writing this from a neutral point of view as CVA does not rent out space.

Most likely? A coalition formed to destroy GSF left a fight against the CFC to go save their renters.

Most likely indeed.

More... unchecked botting for the RMT farm?

The threshold for taking your own space would be a lot lower without the giant landlord alliances; just saying.

Personally, I think the system is reasonable and the rent is generally low.

"Why waste your ISK so as to have fun."

Um, did I read that right in the OP? I thought having fun was the point.

Renting is nothing like that. This clearly shows you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
When you rent space, you pay your rent, which is essentially like tax but you pay in a single hit. After that, you do whatever you want. You don't have to go on ops, you don't have to defend your space. You simply rat or mine or roam or whatever you want.
If anything, Renters have less of an "overlord" structure than a regular corp in an alliance. A regular corp pays tax, has to go on OPs and has too defend their space.

The alternative is to simply start taking SOV and realize you can't defend it with your small Alliance. While I don't like it I do understand why people would rent a part of nullsec. Personally I believe that when you are financially able to rent, you can also exploit a C2-3 wormhole and have a "full" sense of system ownership, despite lack of sov.

Renting isn't slavery though, it's beneficial to both sides, but I am in agreement with OP that you do sink ISK making someone else richer. If this is something you disagree with in principle, don't rent. Stay poor. The game is more interesting solving problems with limited resources anyway.

The only sensible way to rent is by setting up an alt corp and renting an upgraded system, fill it by recruiting about a dozen active players who want to rat / mine etc in 0.0. Set corp tax to 20 or 25% then only log in on that alt occasionally to do corp admin stuff (pay bills / fuel a tower that you're reacting at etc).
The income from that easily pays the rental bill and gives you a couple of billion at least per month left over for doing almost nothing.

Invest that income into high-sec trading / research projects and you've got your very own ship replacement fund for any pvp / ganking you want to do (plus you're able to plex your accounts from that as well). Oh and much more freedom to still shoot at anyone you don't like (it's not like your corp admin alt will pvp) due to not having to comply with the renters blue list on your used pvp characters.

You can also do this in empire and recruit L4 mission runners, but with lower tax rates, the income isn't as good but it's still respectable if you can't afford the initial investment to rent in 0.0.

You'd be surprised just how many are willing to join at 20% with no CTA's or any "must attend" corp ops. If you want to set it to 25% just be willing to carrier jump stuff they need once a week.
There's a huge number of high-sec people who want to try 0.0 without any forced corp ops / cta's. The no active leadership isn't an issue as long as your recruitment policy catches potential awoxers (full api / proper checks etc needed). Most of them just want to rat or mine in peace.

Its all business. Do you think players rent 0.0 space for fun? No, they pay fee while knowing perfectly well that they will profit from that sector. I dont see any bad things about this because EVE is suppose to give players freedom to do stuff and renting is just one way. Just dont come cry on forums about cloaked ship in your rented space and all is fine.

Yeah, but most of them also want a tiny amount of structure. Not to mention that anyone mining doesn't pay tax so will be seen as non-contributing. If this was a readily doable plan, ther entire rental space would be filled with alt corps. But it's not.
Having been in a corp that rented, it's just not as simple as "dump them in a corp, come back and harvest isk". They are players, not crops.

If it only it was really like that.

I have had experience with Renters who were complete dicks, wouldn't lift a finger to help, had more rules then most countries have laws and were very restrictive on what you could and could not do.

Other Renters basically couldn't give a damn, its your space, you do what you want.

Each Renter Alliance is different.

I know the Goons have now become renters hence the charm offensive but jesus don't over do it :)

Well across my characters I've been in 3 renter alliances. All of them had the same core features:
- No CTAs
- Wartime defense of the space (roams are your own problem, not theirs)
- Only low/no income moons available
- Some JBs available
- Limited Intel Channels

Anything beyond that is up to your corp to arrange. They don't provide logistics or roam defense, but at the same time they don't make demands of you. Sure the rules may differ from alliance to alliance, but an overlord structure would insinuate that the alliance will make you do their bidding, which just isn't the case in renting. I stick by my stance that a renting corp gets treated less like a peon than a member corp of most alliances.

You are describing the hardship of operating in null without the backing of a large coalition. You are arguing that circumventing that hardship by paying someone else allows you to be "free" and to "play the game" the way you want. But, the hardship that you guys are describing IS "the game" of EVE Online . . . isn't it? And if it is, and if you are avoiding it, then what are you paying for? If it isn't, then what IS the game?

Get yourself a nullified T3 or learn to use a a scanning scout and wormholes to bypass camped systems. Leave the annoms to the scrubs and blitz null or low DEDS and get guaranteed faction. No rent needed for that.

Seems like people here would rent a house, move in and complain its moldy and the rent is higher then expected and cry when no-one come to get the trash.

Read the contract first, scout out the apartment, check out badspots, if you dont like it dont rent it, or talk down the price.
If you dont want to defend it, ask for them to defend it for you, they dont agree? dont accept it!
Jikes.

For the majority just knowing the CEO logs on once a day to sort any issues out (even if only for 5-10 mins) is enough.
While true miners don't pay tax, if you recruit them - recruit the ones that don't have the ability to compress / get what they've mined to a place to sell easily without help - that's when you can charge a small percentage for doing that (ok it takes a couple of decent skilled alts to do, but it's very viable). The other option is buy the ore from them at a discounted rate (most are happy to take a bit less than market value if they dont have to haul).
But usually you only recruit ratters who also have alts that might mine a bit, not 100% miners, so that's not usually a concern.

It can be done (I've had such an alt corp running before for well over 6 months until I got bored), it's worth the investment and when you have a couple of decent skilled alts doing nothing you can use for the odd pos + corp admin / compress and hauling every few days then it works very well.


Welcome to EvE a sandbox game of social engineering at it finest.
Other players are just utilities to provide you with what you want. For some people that means having someone to fly with, for others someone to shoot at. Yet there are people in the game who get their fun by simply shooting at red X's all day - if you can provide them with a service that lets them do that and profit from it - why not.

I don't pay rent... the Corp does.

I actually pay more in taxes (percentage wise) with my mission runner in a Highsec Corp than I do in my null renter Corp. Corp costs are higher in null, but my cost are lower while my profits are higher. Financially this is a good deal.

I am able to rat in a true -1.0 system which is something I can not do solo or free.

I can run anoms in very nice systems.


Solo... isn't what i am looking for.

The rise in numbers of "systems for rent" across null may help bring the price of same renting systems down. This "renting" thing may bring a lot of people into nulll sec again. Which is not a bad thing. This could even help some of the renters become systems owners themselves.

It is fascinating to read all the people who were "nerf high sec in the name of risk vs return", are all now claiming "come to null sec and partake in the fountain of riches".

Guess they know their job is done and high sec income potential is soon to be hammered into the ground.

I don't recall saying anything about nerf highsec. Do you have me confused with someone else.



Note: I don't want anyone to come to Null. I don't want my Neighborhood too crowded.

It will also fuel the desire among many parties for "good fights," "small gangs," and ~wulfpax~.

When individual players in the game measure their wealth by the trillions, and their monthly personal income by the hundreds of billions, you really have to wonder what they do with that money. At least, some wonder. The obvious answer is the one that shall not be named.

We're talking about null sec, not the Forge (where most botting occurs).

TEST Alliance is back?

But missions don't run out, do they? Unlike rocks I guess.

No, join ncdot, that way your isk will go towards destroying gsf

K, I'm sold, here's 10 groats. Can you guys JF all my stuff out? I'll contract all the corp goods over to you. I totes trust all of you now.

This is both your answer and where you fall from understanding.

Think of it this way:
Why pay rent for a house you don't own?

Someone, other than the renter, took the initiative and spent an enormous amount of time and resources to secure that space, So you could come just come by and make isk.

If you want it for free, come and take it.

harry's greatest goal is to solo bomb the sandbox itself!

You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit. It might be, but it might also be some elaborate long-term scam you are running and one fine day your renters will find their underware pulled over their faces. I was in CFC like 2 years ago and I think you guys touched me in inappropriate places while I wasn't looking so it might just be residual effect.

What is the typical rental rate these days? And what does that get you? Can you claim Sov for your rented system? Install your own upgrades? Place an outpost?

I am curious to know what entity within the CFC you were a part of, but not curious enough to dig through your employment history and cross-check with all the various member corps. Would you just come out and tell me? I would also like to know in what way GSF or the rest of the CFC mistreated you.

There's no need to apologize. There's nothing unreasonable about paying some of your space money as rent for a cool place to fly your spaceship around and do cool stuff. The truth is that we are all transients. Some of us are just not comfortable with this. I don't know if being comfortable with it means you are more enlightened, less enlightened, or just different.

Fly safe.

Do you really care

IF YOU RENT FROM GOONS

I AM ALWAYS BAIT

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Renting from CCP eh

Don't nullseccers whine about nullsec not being profitable and there being no reason for people to leave hisec? Don't a lot of nullseccers create hisec incursion alts to earn their ISK? Yet paying money to live in nullsec is profitable and worthwhile? Hmmmm.... does not compute.

Do you actually care enough to bother

The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?

Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?

Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?

Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?

Hey, its only a game. You are bound to find other ways to enjoy Eve.

Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.

Don't allow the Power Blocs to brag, "Look at how much space we have". Make them earn the right to be able to say, "Look at how much space we can controll".

Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent.

To clarify, this is an anti-renting thread.

Deka.

I have a burning desire to inflict my MS paint skills on an unprepared audience.

People, just stay out of Sovereign Space. Let the Power Blocs actually work so as to maintain control of what they have.
Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Don't waste your ISK, by giving it to Overlords. Don't help the Power Blocs become even richer and stronger from Your play time. Don't let them make You into their puppet/safety buffer.

I do not know how GSF members react and post in other threads, but they are certainly active in this one.

False. Most non-goons are completely ignorant of goons (and of most of the metagame), because...

... Do you have an alt/main in RAZOR Alliance? 'Cos this is pretty much exactly what a guy is doing right now.

- Lyris Nairn, what's up with the PR campaign you seem to have initiated?
- Why the multi-multiple posting?

- Why do players choose to rent? Sure, there are riches in Null Sec, but in the end, renters are providing their landlords with a passive source of easy income.

And we are talking about a game, not real life. You might pay rent in real life, but paying rent in a game, to me, is silly.
- Why? Because you are paying other "players"" so as to have fun. (Paying CCP, the game maker, to access the game is totally different. Sadly I can't find the words so as to describe this difference).

Fair enough, this emergent player behaviour is good business for both landlord and renter, but still, why choose to bassically pay other players for the right to play.

People, just stay out of Sovereign Space. Let the Power Blocs actually work so as to maintain control of what they have.
Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Don't waste your ISK, by giving it to Overlords. Don't help the Power Blocs become even richer and stronger from Your play time. Don't let them make You into their puppet/safety buffer.

But the ~isk per hour~. You can only mine so much in highsec, oh and RORQURAL BOOSTS.

Just call it the clusterfuck coalition

It's a name to be proud of.

I do not know how GSF members react and post in other threads, but they are certainly active in this one.

It's because of Lyris Nairn, he's the Tales of Narnia, Sky Captain of ~our hearts~, Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot com

This was a non-reimbursable posting mission. Any losses in sanity, intelligence or "true goon"ness will not be made up to us.

Well of course they are, its called a charm offensive :)

For years the goons have mocked people who have rented but now they need those same people.

Not in Razor. Quit running the 0.0 renter alt corp a few months ago now, but seriously thinking of starting it up again if I can find the time to put into recruiting etc (the worst part of it).
I do know at least 3 other guys currently doing this atm though, one in the drone regions, another in the south and the third is north so it's a common thing for those with enough isk to invest into.
It's good business for the landlord, the person running the corp gets a solid monthly income and those who otherwise wouldn't get to go to 0.0 have that opportunity. (and more people in 0.0 is good for the pvp'ers, a good situation for all really.

I don't dislike Goonswarm Federation or its members, however...

Well, i do, those guys can do to hell, then hades, then whatever other underworld of torment is available for a few centuries, and after that, a weekend in DETROIT!

I mean seriously, I'd just got all comfortable and was able to rat in Delve when I was in IT, and here comes goons. Later, I was in Raiden and then NCDot and here comes (you guessed it), goons again so back to empire I go. I end up in TEST....just in time for a Goon/TEST falling out and war and there I go out of null again......

The entire reason for any Goon offensive is to stop Jenn aSide from enjoying null sec (it's not paranoia if it always happens). They don't observe the law of the blue doughnut at all!

The entire reason for any Goon offensive is to stop Jenn aSide from enjoying null sec (it's not paranoia if it always happens).

it's really sad that you "enjoy null sec" only when you "rat in peace"

Well, i do, those guys can do to hell, then hades, then whatever other underworld of torment is available for a few centuries, and after that, a weekend in DETROIT!

I mean seriously, I'd just got all comfortable and was able to rat in Delve when I was in IT, and here comes goons. Later, I was in Raiden and then NCDot and here comes (you guessed it), goons again so back to empire I go. I end up in TEST....just in time for a Goon/TEST falling out and war and there I go out of null again......

The entire reason for any Goon offensive is to stop Jenn aSide from enjoying null sec (it's not paranoia if it always happens). They don't observe the law of the blue doughnut at all!

I'd rather Iteron mine in 1.0 sec myself.

Groveling at the feet of an Overlord for "fun"? No, don't see it happening.

Why Iteron mine in 1.0 when you can ninja mine in 0.0 with a venture?

With as much 0.0 as there is that is totally empty you could have your pick of better ores than you can find in high-sec with minimal investment.

**** paying rent or even Sov bills for that matter, you pay Sov, I sell your ore cause you CBA to actually use all of the space your greedy ass has accumulated.

Even if you CBA, it isn't like you're going to be able to guard EVERY system in 0.0.

Cease paying rent, let the overlords burn themselves out with Sov while all of us mining insurgents rob them blind.

What they see as "scraps", we see as better opportunity than offered in high-sec (and a hell of a lot more fun to collect).

Owning a wormhole with a null static is pretty fun. It's like being the monster in a horror movie.

I don't see a tangible difference. I pay ~550 million ISK per month per account to play EVE Online. That is considerably higher than what the per-player cost to rent space is. If you are OK with PLEX, then I don't see why you wouldn't be OK with renting.

so for some reason you think we would create shill corps that don't pay rent, recruit a bunch of people into those corps to use our space rent and tax free, to accomplish what exactly?

nevermind, stay in hisec

Don't listen to Andski. We would do exactly that, all for the explicit purpose of twirling our waxed mustaches while we cackle maniacally. All of this would occur while wearing a smoking jacket, petting a white cat, wearing a monocle, and enjoying a dinner of human infants sauteed in the blood of maidens.

I am curious to know what entity within the CFC you were a part of, but not curious enough to dig through your employment history and cross-check with all the various member corps. Would you just come out and tell me? I would also like to know in what way GSF or the rest of the CFC mistreated you.

Fair enough, this emergent player behaviour is good business for both landlord and renter, but still, why choose to bassically pay other players for the right to play.