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ps3ud0nym
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:06:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: Your research is impeccable.
(You might want to look harder at my history before you pull out the pubbie-card of ~join dates~.)
Why thank you! I did do my research. Your corp joined goons on 06/2010. That was after the curse deployment and the creation of TEST by about a month. That coincides with the ceeding of Dek to goons by TCF. In fact, it makes it look like you only joined goons BECAUSE they got dek. Pretty much the definition of J4G.
Lord Zim wrote: Oh dear, you mean this char which never undocks because we don't use caps is on someone's shoot blues list? I'm shaking inside.
You'll want to head to S-D if you want to find this char. Have fun.
Wow, you are even more J4G than I thought! Apparently you haven't heard of CapSwarm. Or didn't participate in the helicopterd1cking of Pure Blind during the attack by the forces of ~leetpvp~. You also apparently missed the instruction to get as many people into carriers as possible.
Again, get out. We don't need such blues. Also, post with your main. |

Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:06:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:...more mostly elitist rambling that proves you didn't read what I wrote and like to make assumptions about what I think based on what you didn't read...sigh
Short version:
EVERYONE in the game has the advantages of high-sec available to them. If they choose not to partake of them, they have NO reason to whine about it.
Is that too simple for you? |

ps3ud0nym
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:10:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:...more mostly elitist rambling that proves you didn't read what I wrote and like to make assumptions about what I think based on what you didn't read...sigh Short version: EVERYONE in the game has the advantages of high-sec available to them. If they choose not to partake of them, they have NO reason to whine about it. Is that too simple for you?
in fact, yes. It is those kinds of simplistic answers that cause problems. Both IRL and in EVE. |

Mai Khumm
Unseen Technologies Permanent Mental Syndrome
8
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:18:00 -
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Most interesting thread I've read in a while... |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:30:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:Why thank you! I did do my research. Your corp joined goons on 06/2010. That was after the curse deployment and the creation of TEST by about a month. That coincides with the ceeding of Dek to goons by TCF. In fact, it makes it look like you only joined goons BECAUSE they got dek. Pretty much the definition of J4G. Yes, bat country is my very first corp. Again, your logic is impeccable.
ps3ud0nym wrote:Wow, you are even more J4G than I thought! Apparently you haven't heard of CapSwarm. Or didn't participate in the helicopterd1cking of Pure Blind during the attack by the forces of ~leetpvp~. You also apparently missed the instruction to get as many people into carriers as possible.
Again, get out. We don't need such blues. Also, post with your main. Please, go on assuming.
But if you absolutely want to admit that you just got trolled into a rage, such a rage that you're going to shoot blues, feel free to shoot my subcap guy, Lord TGR. ~Bring it~, pubbie. |

lord xavier
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:36:00 -
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I produced ships in nullsec for quite some time. It is easier and less of a hassle. Granted several corporations/operations are quite benefitial at times. Such as JF services and such. However, have become a self-sufficient entity of my own. I own my own Jump Freighters, Carriers, Production Character, Trading character, Cyno-alts, you name it. I have it. The best thing that comes out of high sec for me is the lack of ability people have in the marketing system. I make 75% of my isk off of people who refuse to use the Player versus Player aspect of the game and sit there and build stuff and trade in high sec.
Is Null-sec capable of being completely dependant on itself? Yes. You can get any and every material needed through mining and missions. Is there a need to even go to high sec? Not really. I have one character there at all times to abuse the market that other fail at. Why? Cause you guys have no real idea what half the mods are truely priced or used for. You fit them on shiny ships meant for PVP, completly ignoring the bonuses to them (Mission running bhaalgorn lol)
Without High sec carebears I will fail. -- Pfft please. You're inability to read into things benefits me. Your minerals, ores, moon poo (that you get from nullsec) Has become mine for stupidly low prices in which has either been resold or built into something for profit. The only thing that I have ever needed from high sec was the officer and deadspace fittings for supercaps. Wait, nevermind. That came from nullsec.
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lord xavier
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:45:00 -
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Missed a post. Too lazy to quote it but:
Hi-sec is not meant to be completely safe. It is meant to be High Security. CCP made high security space alot harder to lets say, gank a ship. However, not impossible with overpowering. Why? This game is meant to turn on the free-will of the players. The idea behind it is to create a futuristic "real world" where peoples decisions effect a person or the atmosphere of the game. Nothing in the real world is safe. You get people willing to bomb trains, blow up buildings, kill people. All things made at the decision of that person to effect another person or group of peoples lives.
Bitching and crying because you are not completely safe is so ******** because in real life you are not completely safe. Hence the entire demographic of this game. I have ganked people in high sec. Why? Cause I felt like it. Did I effect their gameplay? Yes, because they lost an amount of isk in the process, in which they had to make back. Same as I did. I lost isk as well. In return to that they get "Kill rights" on me and I get a security status dump. Meaning the more I do it. The quicker high sec is not an option for this character. Which turns me into an outlaw and banishes me to low-security space or No-security space. Creating more of a risk for me due to my actions in game. |

Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:46:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:Thredd Necro wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:...more mostly elitist rambling that proves you didn't read what I wrote and like to make assumptions about what I think based on what you didn't read...sigh Short version: EVERYONE in the game has the advantages of high-sec available to them. If they choose not to partake of them, they have NO reason to whine about it. Is that too simple for you? in fact, yes. It is those kinds of simplistic answers that cause problems. Both IRL and in EVE. Don't be butt hurt now. We were actually starting to have something resembling a conversation... although if you want to devolve into poop throwing I am sure I can oblige that as well. =)
It IS that simple though. Null-sec is a lifestyle choice just as high-sec is. Instead of using the resources you are complaining about, you are refusing to use them and furthermore you want to take them away from others.
Complaining that other people are making money while you burn isk on ships when you have EXACTLY the same or BETTER resources than the people you are complaining about seems rather silly. If you can't pay for your habit, smoke less virtual crack as it were...don't blame industrious players for your lifestyle choices. |

ps3ud0nym
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:02:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:
It IS that simple though. Null-sec is a lifestyle choice just as high-sec is. Instead of using the resources you are complaining about, you are refusing to use them and furthermore you want to take them away from others.
Complaining that other people are making money while you burn isk on ships when you have EXACTLY the same or BETTER resources than the people you are complaining about seems rather silly. If you can't pay for your habit, smoke less virtual crack as it were...don't blame industrious players for your lifestyle choices.
I am complaining that others are making money while I burn isk on ships???? When the hell did I say that!? Seriously, the golden rule of EVE: "Don't undock in ANYTHING you aren't willing to loose".
The problem I have is that that mechanic, putting ISK into the system without taking an equivalent out, in untenable in the long term without intervention by CCP. You seem to want the same rewards for far far less risk and don't seem to see anything unbalanced in that situation, nor do you see how such a system contributes to inflation. If CCP wants to keep High-sec the same, fine.. massively boost the profitability of 0.0 to compensate for the higher risk as compared to highsec. Use highsec as a base line if you like. If I can make 25M/hr doing lvl 4s in highsec, I should be making 200M/hr in NPC 0.0. You can make 10M/hr mining in High-sec.. fine, make it so you make 100M/hr in nul. Make the rewards comparable to the risk. I don't care how they do it, buff nul or nerf high, but the game needs to be balanced or there is no motivation for players to be in 0.0 or low-sec at all. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
568
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:15:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:Congrats, I just added your J4G pubbie ass to my shoot on sight list! :getout: we don't need such blues.
The rich irony of a Test member calling anybody a pubbie is almost more than I can bear.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

ps3ud0nym
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:19:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Congrats, I just added your J4G pubbie ass to my shoot on sight list! :getout: we don't need such blues.
The rich irony of a Test member calling anybody a pubbie is almost more than I can bear.
ya. I generally don't do it. It is obviously a special occasion =).
/me= biggest moralfag in Dreddit =P. According to Monty Durr and I are opposing deities. (at least in his DnD game, for which I still need to write a wiki article! DAMN!) |

Lord TGR
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:27:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Congrats, I just added your J4G pubbie ass to my shoot on sight list! :getout: we don't need such blues.
The rich irony of a Test member calling anybody a pubbie is almost more than I can bear. ya. I generally don't do it. It is obviously a special occasion =). Hey guys, so I hear this guy is easily trollable. |

ps3ud0nym
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:32:00 -
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Lord TGR wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Congrats, I just added your J4G pubbie ass to my shoot on sight list! :getout: we don't need such blues.
The rich irony of a Test member calling anybody a pubbie is almost more than I can bear. ya. I generally don't do it. It is obviously a special occasion =). Hey guys, so I hear this guy is easily trollable.
You call that a troll? Dear god that is weak. You need to take some lessons. I will send Durr your way and you can learn from the master. Trust me, if you had made me angry, you would know it. I am going to shoot you cause you are a gigantic fagg0t and I like shooting j4gs. That and I am bored and your tears will entertain me for a short period.
lets not forget, you gave me permission. So no crying when I tackle your carrier in a belt. =) |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:41:00 -
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Are you really implying I'm ratting? As in ever? On any char? Ok, guy. Keep us updated on your tears extraction progress.
PS: Don't forget to shoot both my chars. I'm not seeing that you've added my other char yet with an edgily misspelled "******" in the message |

ps3ud0nym
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:42:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Are you really implying I'm ratting? As in ever? On any char? Ok, guy. Keep us updated on your tears extraction progress.
PS: Don't forget to shoot both my chars. I'm not seeing that you've added my other char yet with an edgily misspelled "******" in the message
u mad bro? Cause.. you sound mad.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
105
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:50:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:Thredd Necro wrote: Your thread title is inflammatory and is a challenge, not an invitation to open discourse.
It is only infamitory because I am challenging a scared trope of the dedicated high-sec dweller. IE: that they are somehow critical and important to game play in the rest of EVE. It was a simple statement requesting information. That you found it inflammatory just goes to show how tightly held such beliefs are, even when based on completely false assumptions.
Why do they have to be "important" to play an online video game that provides said Empire content... bro? Sense... this thread makes none. Bro.
Bro, U mad at Empire dwellers or something, Bro? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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David Carel
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
148
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:01:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Are you really implying I'm ratting? As in ever? On any char? Ok, guy. Keep us updated on your tears extraction progress.
PS: Don't forget to shoot both my chars. I'm not seeing that you've added my other char yet with an edgily misspelled "******" in the message u mad bro? Cause.. you sound mad.
Reset TEST
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ps3ud0nym
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:25:00 -
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David Carel wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Are you really implying I'm ratting? As in ever? On any char? Ok, guy. Keep us updated on your tears extraction progress.
PS: Don't forget to shoot both my chars. I'm not seeing that you've added my other char yet with an edgily misspelled "******" in the message u mad bro? Cause.. you sound mad. Reset TEST
C
and kick B0RT! |

Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2011.10.30 03:58:00 -
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David Carel wrote: Reset TEST
I support this agenda. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
570
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Posted - 2011.10.30 04:08:00 -
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David Carel wrote:Reset TEST It's the only way to prevent this kind of bad posting.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Takara Mora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.10.30 04:43:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:
The problem I have is that that mechanic, putting ISK into the system without taking an equivalent out, in untenable in the long term without intervention by CCP. You seem to want the same rewards for far far less risk and don't seem to see anything unbalanced in that situation, nor do you see how such a system contributes to inflation. If CCP wants to keep High-sec the same, fine.. massively boost the profitability of 0.0 to compensate for the higher risk as compared to highsec. Use highsec as a base line if you like. If I can make 25M/hr doing lvl 4s in highsec, I should be making 200M/hr in NPC 0.0. You can make 10M/hr mining in High-sec.. fine, make it so you make 100M/hr in nul. Make the rewards comparable to the risk. I don't care how they do it, buff nul or nerf high, but the game needs to be balanced or there is no motivation for players to be in 0.0 or low-sec at all.
You assume that Hisec PVE players actually care about the isk / rewards of Nullsec ...
I can tell you, as a Hisec PvE / WH player ... I care not at all how much isk ppl can make in nullsec ... it's simply not the game I want to play ... so get out of my corner of the sandbox, since you Bullies already own the rest of it ... and if you take away my sand, I'm still not coming to nullsec, I'm just cancelling my subs (all 16 of them) .
There's plenty of space for all of us to share ... and I'd like to see CCP gain some more casual players to help pay for enhancements for the rest of us. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
42
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Posted - 2011.11.03 18:33:00 -
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Oh, look, an arrogant, up-itself piece of null-trash being condescending.
-10/10, at least try to be a little more original, k? I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
42
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Posted - 2011.11.03 20:09:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:ps3udonym wrote:lots of drivel The ****? 12k in 6vdt? The **** are you smoking? Whatever it is, stop smoking it, it's clearly warping how you perceive reality. Actually, what you should do, is stop posting. You're showing a clear and distinct lack of understanding for how hisec works, as well as nullsec. If you really think that nullsec is completely insular to hisec, then boy do I have a bridge to sell you. Actually, come to think of it, you should read malcanis' proposal, and then shut the **** up, because you're a danger to the game. Literally the one thing I'd like to change with hisec right now is the payouts from incursions, I think those are on the high side. After that I would want low and nullsec to become more profitable to entice people to move out there. What you're talking about is trying to force them out there by semistarving them. There's a lot more to do in hisec than mine and run missions or get ganked, and having a lot of career options, be it in hisec, lowsec or nullsec, is absolutely fine and inline with the concept of a sandbox, and it's something which I'd love to see expanded upon, not restricted. Also, what the christ is it with the "very high SP character with full researched T2 BPOs and billions in investment" to make a profit on the market? I mean, just ... what? And the bots not being noticeable in hisec? What? Seriously. Stop posting.
Damn, beat me to it. Never thought I'd say this to most any Goonie, but +1.
I disagree re-- the OP cutting back on whatever it is they're smoking, though. They should instead be enticed to share, as it's clearly good stuff
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |

Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
7
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Posted - 2011.11.03 20:34:00 -
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Removing the quality of agents wasn't so much a buff, people would work their ways to the high level ones anyway.
But.... it does make a lot more ones useful that were not the quality 20-18, so less hubs where everyone is in one system for the rare best agents.
It added convince, and lowered requirements for getting the best agents, but did not make any of them better.
But the anominaly nerf was a nerf. |

Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
7
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Posted - 2011.11.03 20:48:00 -
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This is a titan of a debate....
I don't think a correct answer exists to if importing exists or not as the major way of supplying nullsec.
I do it, someone else doesn't do it.
But the lack of desire of people to farm low ends, and ice means that is almost always imported. Add to that 3/4ths of ice can not be found in any one region.
Also... very very bad stations for doing anything (and the hard limit of one, and few that exist in any one region) means that doing industry in null is bad to begin with.
Sure you could just import trite and pyrite, but then again those can be compressed into mods and ships (BC and BS take up less space then the mins that make them) if you take ships or ammo you never need to use station slots that are hard to come by.
But, this thread is becoming a flame war, how about simple ideas to improve things. Something to compensate the anominaly nerf to make lower sec systems worth more (could up the difficulty and ship spawns in all anominalys so havens and hubs are as hard as sanctums used to be, and sanctums require groups/leet ships). And make stations better, tenfold in slots and versatility if they are the only one in each system.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
237
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Posted - 2011.11.03 21:36:00 -
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Well, I'll ask you this:
Who buys all those shiny mods and implants you find ratting out there? Who generates the bulk of the meta 3/4 modules that keep their market prices down? Who mines obscene amounts of minerals and puts them on the market, keeping goods cheap?
So yes, the carebears do affect us all. Without their influence, the markets would be radically different and less profitable.
edit: The mission changes were for the sake of simplicity and didn't do much to "buff" highsec. It just made it so that the agent system wasn't stupidly and unnecessarily convoluted. CCP did a good job of making the system a lot easier to understand without really changing the way missions were run. The serious mission runners that make all the isk were already at the highest quality agents anyway. |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2011.11.03 21:54:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Who mines obscene amounts of minerals and puts them on the market, keeping goods cheap? Bots. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.11.03 23:11:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Who mines obscene amounts of minerals and puts them on the market, keeping goods cheap? Bots. Now we just need to figure out the best way to replace all the whining pubbies with bots.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:18:00 -
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ps3ud0nym, You started out just great but now you are losing me. Imma let you finish but real fast lets go back to your first few posts: 1. Null does not need Hi. Agreed more or less. there are exceptions but they are rare and take a bit of work. 2. JF costs are not justified by the gains of Hi-null traffic. Pretty much my experience as well. Once again with a few exceptions. and those not in a volume necessitating JF. 3. HiSec commerce is detrimental to Nul.......... Can you see how 1 & 2 pretty much deny 3? Unless you are referring to the overall inflation in the game which begs the question how that is HiSec's fault? As most Null players have at least one Hi alt they are at least equally culpable. And even if they did not NullSec PvE and mining still pays as well or better than Hi. Don't get me wrong I do agree that nullSec is the bigger game that makes Eve a cut above other MMOs so the dynamic is genuinely interesting. just WTF bro? |

Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
50
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Posted - 2011.11.06 05:28:00 -
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Dear OP, come on Kugu so I can negrep you and we can discuss how all of NullSec is currently independent of HighSec, let alone Jita.
Sincerely~ Common ******* Sense of Game Mechanics and Jump Freighters |
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