[quote=Andski]you are the biggest hypocrite imaginable, lmao

There is no 'us against them' because most of 'them' are so irrelevant to any aspect of 0.0 existance that they're barely noticeable.

...But, until then, we (empire dwellers) will just have to live with the fact that the nullsec guys don't really care about us -- in similar fashion to how third world nations don't really "care" about industrialised nations.

Is that why you goons spend your time in hi sec harassing and grief playing hi sec players... Because they're just so irrelevant and unimportant to you?

Hey all. Here I am, a member of big bad TEST Alliance. One of the people who is "Out to ruin your game".

One theme I have heard repeated over and over again is: "If you nerf high-sec, who will make all the ships and rigs for the PVPers in 0.0?" I have to ask, do you really believe that is true?...

Lets just go over the economics of the situation....

0.0 doesn't need High-Sec in any way. Over the last little while, high sec has had a rather massive buff with the elimination of quality for agents...

I also read that it is impossible for a new alliance to get a foothold in 0.0...

CCP has stated its vision for the game, and it is very much the same vision that those in nul also have. High-sec is supposed to be dependent on WH space, 0.0 and low-sec, not the other way around...

EVE is an open game....

Eve WAS an open game. The state changed when average server population frew above 30-35k or so (3+ years ago) and massive permanent blocs formed

No bloc is permanent, no matter how massive it is. Take the NC for example - it wasn't that long ago that people were complaining about the big blue blobfest, and look at it now.

It is also very possible to get into nullsec. There are NPC stations all over the place to make a home out of and plenty of alliances do just that. And for those who want to have a presence on the map and don't mind the odd invasion, it is also possible to stay under the radar of the big blocs and take a few systems of sov. Alternatively there are alliances who recruit corps, particularly those with combat records and not even necessarily good ones.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

ban npc forum alts from CSM forums

Exhibit A: ^^^

Yeah less anonymity sounds great .... but would make reprisals way too easy ... then you'd only hear dominant points of view and ideas ... we'd miss out on the unexpected out of the box ideas from folks who don't belong to Goonswarm or TEST :)

Better to allow "oversharing" .... it's easy enough to ignore the posts you don't like.

While Nicolo is doing so in a very succinct and terse manner, he does make a very valid point. It's far too easy for somebody to make an alt to hide behind and post any kind of trash anonymously.

Trolling is particularly common in these forums (all of eve-o, not just the CSM sub forum) which is just a big waste of time and space (as entertaining as it may be for the troll). The anonymity of an NPC corp character makes it very hard to tell who is simply uninformed and who is just trolling.

Then again, NPC corp characters can't post in CAOD and look how that turned out.

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Every highsec-carebear could log off and un-install EVE tomorrow and we'd barely notice apart from the reduced lag in market systems. The things we go to empire for are seeded by NPCs (skillbooks, BPOs), imported from other 0.0 regions (minerals), or manufactured by highsec alts of 0.0 based players.

There is no 'us against them' because most of 'them' are so irrelevant to any aspect of 0.0 existance that they're barely noticeable.

We've had more impact on EVE Online: A Bad Game, than you have. Just sayin'.

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Which isn't relevant to much of anything, outside of this game. Just sayin'.

And ultimately, we're not relevant to the universe, either. Oh well so sad.

The thing is, there is a place for both playstyles. Forcing a player where they don't want to go ultimately forces them where CCP does not want them to go, elsewhere.

If, as so many say, HiSec players are irrelevant to the NulSec players then why the hate? It's not exclusive to EvE in any way shape or form, nor are the NulSeccers breaking any new ground with carebear bashing. It's been going on far longer than EvE has existed and has been done every bit as artfully (artlessly?) in other games...with results just as profound. As in not at all profound. PvPers have been hurling insults at PvEers since the genre came to encompass both playstyles, and I don't see that changing. In the case of EvE it's even muddied beyond that because there are certainly PvPers in HiSec, so now the bashing isn't even based on how one choose to play, but rather where one chooses to play...which frankly makes even less sense.

The game is not a themeparked sandbox that takes a new player by the hand in hisec, through a guided progression themepark which then drops them naturally into a nulsec sandbox. It's simply not designed that way. It could have been, but it wasn't. In a sandbox the players make the game...or games...from within a framework implemented by the devs.

That two distinct games have developed within that framework is not a bad thing, and it has created an environment which has a sustainability that a nulsec-only or hisec to nulsec forced funnel would not. CCP now has a game which someone who wants a minimum of risk can play at the same time that high-risk adrenaline junkies can get their fix. From their perspective that has to be a good thing. They will not nerf one of those games into the ground at the request of those favoring the other game. It's not in their best interests to do so, and it won't happen.

The way to attract new blood to nulsec is not to berate and belittle your carebear counterparts, any more than the Darktide community's constant mocking of the rest of the Asheron's Call population caused people to migrate to that FFA server. You need to convince people playing in hisec that they truly are missing out on a lot of fun and that they won't be simply entering a world where they are nothing but cannon-fodder lured there for the benefit of the old blood.

I haven't seen anything here that comes close to that.