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Vigdis Thorisdottir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2011.11.07 04:04:00 -
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If null doesn't need highsec, then who cares? What's the problem? Most highsec players wouldn't go to null no matter how profitable it was anyways because they don't *like* the people that are there. NBSI isn't fun to some people. Gatecamps (participating in one, or getting killed at one) isn't fun to some people. While that is nothing like the entire null experience, it is sadly the first thing most highsec dwellers experience when they try null. Seems to me, the problem between highsec and null is the people involved. Making null more profitable is alright by me (mo money!), but it sure as hell won't fix the problem.
Then you also have the tidbit that the majority of eve players live in highsec. So null does rely upon highsec for one thing: Carebear subs keep ccp in business. |
Dorn Val
Defective Clones
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
4
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Posted - 2011.11.08 09:54:00 -
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One thing that has always confused me is the people who claim that Eve is a sandbox and yet, in the same breath, will tell you that you're playing the game wrong if you're not playing it their way....
I like Eve because of the risks and the multiple levels of PVP -and you only get that kind of complexity from a game where so many different people are playing differently. Anyone who claims that high sec is a training ground for newbs on their way to null doesn't get this game at all... |
Xien Anh
Watanabe Heavy Industries
3
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Posted - 2011.11.08 14:31:00 -
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It's fun to make stuff go boom.
Have you ever had one of those days when you put your shoes on backwards and walked sideways to compensate? |
Aggressive Nutmeg
30
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Posted - 2011.11.09 00:23:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:Do high-sec carebears really think they have any importance to nul-sec?
I don't think high-sec 'carebears' give a shitaki mushroom about null-sec.
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May Zonday
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:58:00 -
[65] - Quote
Reset TEST |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
745
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:15:00 -
[66] - Quote
Resetting TEST would cure cancer and solve world hunger.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
77
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:20:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:
One thing that we DO get from highsec is t2 mods, but that is because the T2 BPO lottery has made producing these mods uneconomical for anyone without a T2 BPO. If I tried to produce them in nul (and I am an invention guy) anyone could import them and undercut me even with the shipping costs, so there is no point.
If that's the case, then it sounds like POS are too easy/cheap to run in hisec as compared to low/null. SOME of this is the nullsec guys curbstomping anyone in low/null, because if I'm not working for "you" then I'm working for "them" (whoever 'you' and 'them' happen to be). Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that you have to wage war, and cripple the other guy's supply likes so .. meh.
I guess a "fix" would be to make it easier to RF a hisec POS with subcaps? or wardec mechanics, whatever ... hell, even something as crazy as the Goons' ice mining interdiction...
ps3ud0nym wrote:0.0 doesn't need High-Sec in any way.
Wait, didn't you just say ...?
ps3ud0nym wrote:Over the last little while, high sec has had a rather massive buff with the elimination of quality for agents.
TBH, I think this is a bit of the failings of the previous CSM in regards to the nullsec nerfs that were put in place. It was nice to remove SOME of the annoying things in hisec, but it seems that the nerfs to nullsec kind of went too far. Dunno off hand though, I've been hiding in hisec for a while now ... nullsec, whilst fun at times, was more of a pain than it was worth for me.
However, if the anoms were making all the space nearly the same as far as ISK/hour perspective, then they were a little OP -- I do feel that there needs to be some feeling of "hey, their space is better than ours".
ps3ud0nym wrote:I also read that it is impossible for a new alliance to get a foothold in 0.0.
I woldn't go *that* far ... but it will take ISK and friends. Unfortunately, some of the problem is in that current mechanics almost necessitate owning an entire region (even if it's 75% or more un-used). |
Levarr Burton
B0rthole
Test Alliance Please Ignore
47
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:13:00 -
[68] - Quote
Ps3udo, why are your posts here so much better than your forum posts? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:26:00 -
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I might be a carebear (I do live in HS), might not. But...
I don't think I am important to null sec in the least. Without me, not much would change in null (yet... ).
However, I do believe that without HS in its current form, a lot of null players would not be having as much fun, and therefore HS itself is important to null players. In my opinion of course. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
170
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Posted - 2011.11.13 13:22:00 -
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Without the stuff the high sec produce... there would be no "fun" for those "pro-PVPers". |
Probably Smashed
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.11.13 14:23:00 -
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Levarr Burton wrote:Ps3udo, why are your posts here so much better than your forum posts?
You have my condolences. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
1100
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Posted - 2011.11.13 16:08:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Without the stuff the high sec produce... there would be no "fun" for those "pro-PVPers".
Quoting someone who thinks "pro PvPers" don't have alts.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
131
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:35:00 -
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Do missioners care about how they may affect Low sec?
No
why would a mssioner care if you use the ore from his refined loot to build your ship or not....long as he is making isk he does not care.
We need more to do, not more to wear.
Let me know when-áCCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
48
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:53:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Without the stuff the high sec produce... there would be no "fun" for those "pro-PVPers". Quoting someone who thinks "pro PvPers" don't have alts.
Or that none of us know how to pve?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online:
No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
Pandorum Invictus
13
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Posted - 2011.11.21 12:28:00 -
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Bad TEST poasting, best poasting. |
Producilla
Perfecto Records
2
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:47:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:Hey all. Here I am, a member of big bad TEST Alliance. One of the people who is "Out to ruin your game"..
Heh nice try, a Testie writing more then three coherent sentences, I almost fell for it |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
186
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:05:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:
0.0 doesn't need High-Sec in any way.
Conversely, high sec doesn't need 0.0 in any way. Thanks for trolling, now get out.
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Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
1
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Posted - 2011.11.26 13:26:00 -
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I've read the original post by ps3ud0nym the conclusion that I draw is this:
I do have respect for people who inhabit null sec space as a choice and I would expect them to respect my choice to inhabit 0.6+ space. On a fundamental level, I think that a monoculture of risk, (eg high risk/null sec space for everyone) would be detrimental to the game. Diversity is strength and having a whole range of systems that allow for a wide range of different players who may have different skill levels, abilities and needs is, in my mind, a good thing.
In my humble opinion one of the strengths of Eve is that it mirrors RL in so far as, if you want to hang out with mad/bad/dangerous people, you can; but equally, if you seek other aims and pleasures, and want to exist in a safer bit of the universe, this is also possible.
I'm quite happy that there are dangerous bits of the universe, but I'm also happy that there are safer bits too. When I'm a more experienced and capable pilot I may make it out to null space and through wormholes but right now I'm happy where I am.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
117
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Posted - 2011.11.26 15:09:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:
0.0 doesn't need High-Sec in any way.
Conversely, high sec doesn't need 0.0 in any way. Thanks for trolling, now get out.
right ... because then where would you get the moongoo to build a hulk from?
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Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2011.11.26 17:34:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Ptraci wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:
0.0 doesn't need High-Sec in any way.
Conversely, high sec doesn't need 0.0 in any way. Thanks for trolling, now get out. right ... because then where would you get the moongoo to build a hulk from?
CCP can change that any time they want.
CCP: "Unlike a real life sandbox let's arbitrarily say where resources automagically renew so we can cater to the nullbears!"
EVE's economy asploded a long time ago from all the automagically renewing resources. I guess we need to destroy more ships to balance that, eh? Too bad people obviously aren't having as much fun in low or null or we wouldn't be having these conversations.
WELFARE FOR NULLBEARS!!! |
Velicitia
Open Designs
117
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Posted - 2011.11.26 18:19:00 -
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so, because it's a game that has scarcity of resources ... it can't be a sandbox?
Let's leave the game then...
Let's make up a basic world scenario
Country A -- huge reserves of oil, extremely limited agricultural capacity
Country B -- huge reserves of coal, and so/so agricultural capacity
Country C -- huge agricultural capacity, extremely limited coal or oil
Countries A and B will both trade various amounts of their coal or oil for country C's agricultural capacity. everyone is happy.
Nullsec -- huge supplies of moongoo, good minerals too (but you won't be mining the lowends, they're not worth it)
empire -- huge supplies of lowends and mid-range minerals, no moongoo whatsoever
w-space -- no moongoo (T3 stuff instead), and ok-ish supplies of minerals.
nullsec and w-space trade various amounts of moongoo (or T3 stuff) to empire in return for minerals that they can't be bothered with mining (or can't get in high enough supply). |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2011.11.27 05:34:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:so, because it's a game that has scarcity of resources ... it can't be a sandbox?
Let's leave the game then...
Let's make up a basic world scenario
Country A -- huge reserves of oil, extremely limited agricultural capacity
Country B -- huge reserves of coal, and so/so agricultural capacity
Country C -- huge agricultural capacity, extremely limited coal or oil
Countries A and B will both trade various amounts of their coal or oil for country C's agricultural capacity. everyone is happy.
Nullsec -- huge supplies of moongoo, good minerals too (but you won't be mining the lowends, they're not worth it)
empire -- huge supplies of lowends and mid-range minerals, no moongoo whatsoever
w-space -- no moongoo (T3 stuff instead), and ok-ish supplies of minerals.
nullsec and w-space trade various amounts of moongoo (or T3 stuff) to empire in return for minerals that they can't be bothered with mining (or can't get in high enough supply).
Trade is good. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
122
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Posted - 2011.11.27 14:28:00 -
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OK Thredd,
I don't follow.
Your post right above my Hisec/Lowsec/Nullsec fake trade world pretty much made it sound like there was no purpose for having the splits in resources other than arbitrary stuff for the nullbears... and now you're saying exactly the opposite?
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Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
15
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Posted - 2011.11.28 07:42:00 -
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If high sec was of no importance to null sec then why do you waste so much time talking about it?
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Tore Vest
Vikinghall
80
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:16:00 -
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As a highsec carebear....
We dont need you nullbears.
Stay out... and shut up !!
Edit:
Posting in an other goon thread  |
StukaBee
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2011.11.28 12:55:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:If high sec was of no importance to null sec then why do you waste so much time talking about it?
Highsec is very important: it's where we do our easy-mode manufacturing on our industry alts; it's where we gank ice mining bots; it's where we park our missioning and incursion alts to make risk-free income!
The poor irrelevant wretches who actually live there on their mains, however, don't matter at all, despite their semi-literate bleating. |
BiggerDangDude
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2011.11.29 08:14:00 -
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Please stop posting, ps3ud0nym |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:45:00 -
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Hmmm.... I suppose I should post.
Ok, I've been in just about every region in eve at one point or other. I've fought 0.0 alliances, low sec prats, and high sec gankers. At one point or another, I've shot down members of just about every alliance (or their predecessor) that has posed so far.
Guess what?
EvE, not the players, needs highsec to function.
Seriously.
The reason is that in low sec and 0.0, you never trust anyone. Ever. For any reason under any circumstance, because today's alliance mates might be tomorrow's traitors that sold you out to (goons/BoB/IRON/Test/fill in the blank here).
Any business dealings require a level of trust. Yes, even via the market, because someone had to trust someone else to get that shipment of whatever it is out to nullsec to you. Let's say you're in an offensive position pushing into some other nullsec area. It's guys buying shipments from highsec flying out to you that keep you going, and the simple reason is that most nullsec wars outpace their ability to replace losses and expended ordnance very, very rapidly.
I should know, more then one major alliance has paid me handsomely to fly from high sec to null sec to supply them with the goods they need, including elements of TEST, so, if you really feel that strongly about high sec being unneeded, please, jettison your ammo as quickly as possible, because if you didn't make it yourself, it might have come from... ick... high sec... |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2011.11.30 07:12:00 -
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StukaBee wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:If high sec was of no importance to null sec then why do you waste so much time talking about it?
Highsec is very important: it's where we do our easy-mode manufacturing on our industry alts; it's where we gank ice mining bots; it's where we park our missioning and incursion alts to make risk-free income! The poor irrelevant wretches who actually live there on their mains, however, don't matter at all, despite their semi-literate bleating.
You must be a nullbear ranger living a life of virtual danger.
Here's a cookie for you cuz yer so, um, relevant (in a virtual way, of course).
Actually here's TWO cookies. I am sure you can find someone just like you to share them with...
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Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
2
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Posted - 2011.12.02 04:39:00 -
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This thread is terrible.
Rescuing fanbois from haters since 2003-¬ |
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