Would anyone like a nice cup of tea and a biscuit?

Nope, not a troll. I honestly want to know. It is a fantasy that somehow we care or "depend" on high-sec industrialists. We all have alts, the majority have something like 3 accounts which means we ALL have our own high-sec characters to do what little we need done in High-Sec, the industrialists there add nothing to our game. I want to know if the high-sec industry people I see on these forums crying rivers of tears actually believe this myth that you provide us somehow with ships and equipment and that you are in some tangential fashion necessary to our game play.

Yes. I want more people to go out into nullsec because they want to be there, not because they're forced out.

Would anyone like a nice cup of tea and a biscuit?

No need to quote all thread since you admit having high sec alt carebears doing your homework.

Self pwnt troll is so sweet.

Your Alliance would let me take a constellation in Deklein for free ? Doubtfull.

I can haz this cute industy lvl 5 system you're hiding ?

I see no problems with that. They'd probably have to come to some arrangement, either by force or by diplomacy...

[quote=Esunisen]No need to quote all thread since you admit having high sec alt carebears doing your homework.





And that's just another way of saying "I want more people to go out into nullsec because they want to be there, not because they're forced out". At no point in that did I even insinuate "give people a free ticket", all I said is I wanted people to have a desire to move out, and not be forced out into nullsec by CCP.




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The incentive is already there. The massive amount of income that could come from it. The risk really isn't on the single player, but the Alliance that decides to "build an empire". I am pretty sure it takes a hell of a lot ISK to fund a war to forcibly take SOV from someone who is already established.

Hey all. Here I am, a member of big bad TEST Alliance. One of the people who is "Out to ruin your game".

If you really don't need Hi-Sec, then why do you have alts in Empire space?

If you don't need or care about Hi-Sec, then why are you posting?

If you really don't think that the production and markets of Hi-Sec don't affect null space, then why not buy and sell EVERYTHING in null space?


Because you can't. Null sec needs Hi-Sec for things like skill books, a large market to buy all those goods, mass production on a scale that is hard if not impossible to accomplish in null sec and a myriad of other things much too numerous to list. Now, that being said, Hi-Sec needs null sec for a lot of things that are much more numerous and easily obtained there as well as, much to your dismay, buyers for all that industrial output. There are many real life instances of outreaches of society vs central governed territory in history and they had the same issues as Eve. Each one having extensive connections to the other in order to build a richer, more diverse society and lifestyle than would be achievable alone.

The continued Us against Them mentality of both camps is useless and damaging. Both are needed and both benefit from the existence of the other. In addition, the interactions of both assure that the society and market is not a zero sum game and becomes a lot more than what it could be were it just Empire space or just null sec space. The continued bickering that goes on is both short sighted and childish and only highlights the lack of understanding of the posters.

If you didn't care about Empire space then you would not have posted at all since it would not matter to you.

I drank nullsec koolaid and I liked it.

Goons own offensive against Gallante, and to a lesser extent Caldari, ice miners provides sufficient evidence to blow any of your arguments out of the water, otherwise the campaign would have nevr been conducted in the first place.

The offensive against Gallente ice was (mainly) to pad their wallets.

1. Buy at ~500 ISK P.U.
2. run interdiction for a few months
3. let the price spike
4. sell oxytopes at 2500+ ISK P.U.
5. PROFIT

I mean, sure, they said a lot of stuff about ruining it for the "empire pubbies" and whatever else ... but that's just talk. If they really wanted to ruin empire (and/or just hisec), then they'd be burning all four regions.


Is it really that hard to understand?

Every highsec-carebear could log off and un-install EVE tomorrow and we'd barely notice apart from the reduced lag in market systems. The things we go to empire for are seeded by NPCs (skillbooks, BPOs), imported from other 0.0 regions (minerals), or manufactured by highsec alts of 0.0 based players.

There is no 'us against them' because most of 'them' are so irrelevant to any aspect of 0.0 existance that they're barely noticeable.

First, if all the Hi-sec people logged off, the market systems would not exist. First incorrect and asinine statement.

If all Hi-sec didn't exist, you would not have Hi-sec alts and would be up a creek. Second asinine statement.

You can buy or research all the blueprints you need in null sec? Really? I call manure and this is the third asinine and incorrect statement.

And there very definitely is an "us against them" mentality as exhibited by your childish and puerile comment about how Hi-sec doesn't matter. If Hi-sec didn't matter, all you self fulfilled hull sec prima dona's would not spend any time crying about it on forums and you would not have any Hi-sec alts. In addition, all the Hi-sec people would simply ignore all things low-sec as well. The grim reality is that both are intertwined and necessary or Eve doesn't work. The majority of crying seems to occur when some crybaby (hi, low or null sec, doesn't matter) or another gets a bug in their butt that someone else is getting something that they are not and "it isn't fair." Well hell son, you are an elitist null sec space cowboy with an itchy PvP finger, butch up Sally and stop crying about fairness. Life isn't fair, you want easy, low risk ISK, you do Hi-sec stuff, you want more payout with more risk, you do null sec stuff, you want to be in the middle ground with BS aggression mechanics then do low sec.

You have fun now and try not to trip, fall and skin your knee. You might get a boo boo and it might be hard to pick that ego up again.

you are the biggest hypocrite imaginable, lmao