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Edoo
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:19:00 -
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ASCN don't respect their friends when it comes to politics and they were created out of a betrayal.
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Arkanis
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanis on 05/01/2006 15:23:45
 Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
This is a clear violation of the Southern Treaty that ASCN loves to throw around
I think we need to pay a visit down to omist and break this 'southern treaty' again.
PS. I remember telling you this would happen in a mocking eve-mail.
Edit, spotted some stupidity.
Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
As the old saying goes. either put up or shut up. Dont make promises u cant keep and blah blah blah.
I find it hilarious you trying to threaten someone. Last time, SL alone put up and you ran away, cried and hidden away. While telling your corp to join one of your friends to run away from the empire war.
I have no quarms in doing the following.
1) Coming back to omist to kill you and your friends.
2) Declaring war on your alliance.
You should know better that if you want OSNAP to 'put up' all you have to do is ask.
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Tashinki
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:33:00 -
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ASCN is a bad bad alliance which hopefully will soon be removed ;)
SE first of course though ;)
Many of the deep southern alliances are only interested in mining, fair enough, but they give promises left and right. ASCN must be the worst. They mighht have ment well in the beginning, thinking they could easily take care of omist and at the same time probably gain a little by it - like holding af station as they do now.
But the minute they meet resistance, they give up because they are weak. Make a deal and agree to it because they gain from it only.
And about cyvoks point 3 - yet AGAIN he's talking for other people who's never had a word in it - like they did with the G/IRON, taking esoteria stuff as well. Cyvok is just a jerk you know ;)
Though, I doubt SA would set smash and KOS to -5. ESPECIALLY since it's ASCN saying this. My guess is a lot of people in SA, BOB etc would be more than happy to see ASCN destroyed.
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c0rn1
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:35:00 -
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"They were doing so because Stain Alliance has made a deal to help ASCN with the G alliance on the condition ASCN turns and helps KOS fight off SE."
They did care who would take omist when they needed SA to help them. they gave a word and they broke it. yes it's easy like that.
And to have a strong alliance(SE) in omist which let G-Alliance dock and repair while that war going is not a smart move. but that's something they will have to bear. not us.
If you got such friends, you don't need enemies.
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Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:35:00 -
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um excuse me slacker.... did someone press the idiot button at the fair... No... sit down and stay out of this post.
It never fails whenever i make a post u guys have to show up to harrass and frustate an issue that your not even involved in. which is clear evidence of your childish methods and a clear obsession with me. and to think all this happened because in a chat Rightous Fury deced to tell me he was gonna stick his *edit* in my kid sisters mouth* What ur talking about was nearly a yr ago and we were in omist to begin with ya dolt. U wanna come down to omist to get some of me .... bring it. perhaps we should make it easy and go to antem and break up a couple of your gate camping sessions....Slacker needs to find a hobby
plus i was not threatening anyone but stating facts.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
you beat me to it corn1. and i keep seeing this G alliance Nap issue being brought up. The Nap we had ended with G when they invaded ASCN. we set them to neutral. the only reason ASCN is seeing G in or staging out of omist is because SE has given them docking rights there.
but no reason to get mad this is the place to get facts straight. U guys also keep saying KOS wasnt capable of defending the region. ... Hello weve been doin it for 7 weeks and we Have had victories and we have had losses. when u guys get here u see the end result of KOS forces living out in space with no place to fit or resupply and u say were not fit to hold the region.... Had u come when we the mess began and SE was in fact attacking ops in your southern territories KOS's Situation might not be so grave. But not to worry like we stated.... were not leaving we will copntinue to harrass and attack SE with or withour your consent. And when we succeed i think it would be appropriate for an Official Apology to KOS for the lack of any real support ASCN was able to provide.
As for me being surprised... on the contrary i never expected ASCN to lift a finger... thus is why we did go to smash and ask for their help, and to Burn Eden... becuase we know ASCN wouldnt come help unless they were goin to get something out of it.
Now ive been real cool about not posting flames and goin off like i initially wanted to. In my original post i refrained from making personal attacks on Cyvokc lack of judegemnt and misguided lack of inteligence on the issues at hand. Had he actually got on TS when he was invited Several times and spoke with us and asked the questions he needed to so we could set straight any thing that might have stood in the way of peace ... things may have been different.
However that did not happen. We are being Set to negative 5 based on rumors.
the fact is KOS was not prepeared is because ASCN needs a fleet of 50 plus battleships to be down here to engage the enemy ... what a joke.... weve been fighting under a hell of alot worse conditions with far less numbers and if u say u guys came down here and SE never undocked yet they are more prepared to defend the region..... u telling me a pvp corp like Xeno is gonna be running POS fuel for the next yr to keep KOS from taking it back... well thats cool too lol... enjoy the gametime Xeno. the secon you guys drop your guard or if the gms change the pos rules again were gonna be on your tail and were gonna take it all back.
And if SCN fires on KOS in our home region that being Omist whether u decide to acknowledge that right or not... KOS will only set standings with ASCN to neutral. We do not want to attack friends in ASCN. So if CLS want to be bullys and attack us cool. but we will defend ourselves, and we will be recording each instance an ASCN confrontation happens.
nuthing changes the fact that ASCN took the easy road cause they obviouly were too scared to face SE in combat over any duration of time. So jump on the bandwagon and give SE KOS space instead of doin what was right .... thats the kind of chicken Shyt politics we have been forced to deal with.
As the old saying goes. either put up or shut up. Dont make promises u cant keep and blah blah blah.
um not interested in getting into the politics because vast majority of this thread is very biased one sided twisting to your sympathy vote.
Fact is we did engage SE on numberous occasions and we fought them with equal ish numbers in a couple of quiet nice fights. The whole we need 50bs is total crap...
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Harlequinn
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:37:00 -
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Wow, taking this to the court of public opinion, eh?
I'm obviously not involved in the political process, so my opinions are mine alone, but you KOS guys have a lot of support from within ASCN. You might want to put into check what this thread could become, before you lose that sentiment in our ranks. Just from what's been posted so far by people on both sides, it's pretty obvious how volatile this situation could become. None of us really want an explosive situation.
In eve you are only entitled to what you can defend and hold, for several weeks now it's been obvious that KOS cannot hold Omist alone. Even vs a force as small as SE, who are only really active for a predictable portion of time each day. This is not meant as insult, but even your claim that ASCN told you not to put up POS's as a reason to why you don't hold Omist currently just shows your dependence on a stronger military force to achieve your goals.
ASCN's friendship is not fickle, especially not with her individual members, it's more that eve politics are complicated and the situation is always very fluid. IMO, KOS needs to not be reactionary and adapt to this new ASCN political stance, and understand if it doesn't work out that it could change. It should be pretty obvious to your leadership that ASCN is not out to get you, we're just not going to put a force into power in a region that hasn't proven they can hold it.
To me it seems that ASCN is thinking long term about the stability of the south, and in the short term it's just tired of listening to the bickering of three groups that won't compromise to share Omist. None of which is qualified to hold it in the face of a serious invasion, and all of whom have been allies/enemies/supported our enemies in the past. It's not as simple a situation as it's made out to be by the OP. We aren't supporting the lesser of two evils, but more the most viable option.
SE used to be our allies before the SA vs SE conflict, then we were at war because they were involved with our enemies. They have held Omist while fighting with KOS and ASCN. They often wouldn't fight vs superior numbers in their own space, but they would fight. Also, they fought well. Our fights with them were generally smack free and good. They are talented and professional PvP'ers. I believe many of us have developed a respect for them, the kind that only comes from fighting one another. We died and they died, but it was fun. Frankly, I miss shooting at them, not because I dislike them, but more because it was fun.
I can understand why KOS would be bitter, on the surface it seems like you were intentionally mislead, the truth of it is much more intricate and not visible from the surface. There are a lot of people in ASCN who really like KOS, but pushing out SE for KOS? Well what does it really achieve for ASCN? What does it really do for the southern stability? CYVOK and ASCN brass have made a decision where there are no clean cut or right answers. It's not an easy one to make, and no mater which way it went, someone is not going to be happy.
IMO, it is better that some kind of compromise can be achieved with all the parties involved. This is not likely to happen because of pride, but there's a lot of empty space down in the south right now, and the situation is always fluid. Sometimes, enemies can become the best of friends.
My point is this; KOS leadership probably shouldn't be trying to stir up negative public opinion on the eve-o forums about ASCN. You will find it, plenty of it. There are many people who do and will always hate us. The thing is there are many of us in ASCN who really like KOS and her members, and vice versa despite political machinations. Even with the situation where it is, who else will come to your aid more than ASCN? We just donÆt want to put you into a region you canÆt hold, we donÆtÆ want to own or baby-sit the whole of Omist. Again, thatÆs not meant as an insult but based on recent events seems to be accurate. While weÆve been aiding KOS, I have yet to see a large organized KOS gang actively defending Omist against SE.
I think a thread like this only serves KOS in a way that could begin to erode the friendly sentiment within ASCN for them.
I for one, don't want to see that happen.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
the fact is KOS was not prepeared is because ASCN needs a fleet of 50 plus battleships to be down here to engage the enemy ... what a joke.... weve been fighting under a hell of alot worse conditions with far less numbers
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nuthing changes the fact that ASCN took the easy road cause they obviouly were too scared to face SE in combat over any duration of time.
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either put up or shut up. Dont make promises u cant keep and blah blah blah.
Thank you for erasing any simpaties I had for KoS with a well thought out post.
Now I wont feel bad when I'll be told to shoot you people.
- Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius) |
CasC
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:53:00 -
[69]
Here here harlequinn!
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c0rn1
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Posted - 2006.01.05 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
the fact is KOS was not prepeared is because ASCN needs a fleet of 50 plus battleships to be down here to engage the enemy ... what a joke.... weve been fighting under a hell of alot worse conditions with far less numbers
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nuthing changes the fact that ASCN took the easy road cause they obviouly were too scared to face SE in combat over any duration of time.
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either put up or shut up. Dont make promises u cant keep and blah blah blah.
Thank you for erasing any simpaties I had for KoS with a well thought out post.
Now I wont feel bad when I'll be told to shoot you people.
It's easy to sympathize with someone who gets an "obvious" buttkick atm. Especially when you sit cozy and warm within your territory and must not fear any threat at the moment.
problem is that sympathy doesn't solve problems for those. after 2 months living in POSs ASCN should understand that we are not in a very good mood especially ASCN told us to NOT use more POSs to regain sovereignity because ASCN promised 100% help.
We did as we were told to and as a result of it we got nothing.
Goberth, I ask you, how would you react?
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VonKaplanek III
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Posted - 2006.01.05 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tashinki
ASCN is a bad bad alliance which hopefully will soon be removed ;)
SE first of course though ;)
Many of the deep southern alliances are only interested in mining, fair enough, but they give promises left and right. ASCN must be the worst. They mighht have ment well in the beginning, thinking they could easily take care of omist and at the same time probably gain a little by it - like holding af station as they do now.
But the minute they meet resistance, they give up because they are weak. Make a deal and agree to it because they gain from it only.
And about cyvoks point 3 - yet AGAIN he's talking for other people who's never had a word in it - like they did with the G/IRON, taking esoteria stuff as well. Cyvok is just a jerk you know ;)
Though, I doubt SA would set smash and KOS to -5. ESPECIALLY since it's ASCN saying this. My guess is a lot of people in SA, BOB etc would be more than happy to see ASCN destroyed.
You are a clueless IDIOT, go away...
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Tatzlwurm
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Posted - 2006.01.05 16:04:00 -
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Some minor corrections...and a major correction or two.
1.) Tachyon didnt bring in BE they came to us. and it was a member of another KOS corp that started talking to them.
2.) yes BE did leave with us. For the same reasons Tachyon left.
3.) Yes the nap exhisted with northern alliances. yes KOS was desperate and offered them docking rights to stage against ASCN.(this was then rejected by Northorn alliances due to the fact it would make KOS a target to the southern alliances)Reason for the offer: it was said that ASCN gave SE Omist openly after having the NAP with KOS, Cyvok later told me that in no way was true.
4.) Omist will be held by Southern Alliances, full rights will be given to KOS to be there, SE will be removed. basically the same deal they had with SE :) (LV , ASCN and even Tribal Souls cant leave this area contested, this is about securing the boarders. ( I AM NOT AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCER ANY ALLIANCE however to my knowledge all information in this point is true.)
Keep this in mind, this is a game. We have no good or bad guys here. Everyone is out for themselves (corps and alliances alike) actions can make enemies and reasons might be weak. but all have their own reasons to make the decisions they make. KOS is trying to survive, they have since it was created (forged in war this alliance is).
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Eshtir
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Posted - 2006.01.05 16:16:00 -
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Locked for clean up. Opening SoonÖ
-Eshtir
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Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2006.01.05 16:19:00 -
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fine I apologize for calling you guys scared of Se i do know you were doin well taking the fight to SE over the last week and maybe a half. But the point is you guys are overlooking is ... KOS was 2 days old when SE started coming in. We maintained 30 plus in fleet combat for over a month. After that and no help of support from our allies "because it didnt serve you to do so" is what is forcing our KOS pilots from bothering to engage the enemy. We will muster up the might to take it back like i said with or without your help. If u guys would like to sit back and watch fine... KOS has never wanted hostilities toward ASCN. Many times when it was brought up to do so within our alliance we always shoot it down simply because there are folks we all hold in high reguard to KOS and our corps that are present within the alliance.
Se invaded we have fought for 7 weeks and then u come down and expect to find KOS in good shape... hell if we were in good shape why in the hell would we need your help... KOS wont be asking ASCN for any help in the future if i have any thing to say about it. We will do as we please and take the region back. No matter how much it costs. the region is our home. SE has no claim to it other than the fact they bombarded the Devs after patch release to take sov back. We have plenty of POS assets to achieve our goal and with ASCN taking Z-7 that just confines SE down to 2 systems.
We have fought and we are learning and we will succeed. this post was an official statement designed not to throw dirt at ASCN but to educate the people in the game... Since KOS delegates were not present or acknowledged by your leadership we are only left to speculate what it is u have in mind and based on the end results of your position on the matter ... we think its quite clear that for some reason or another you have made the pact with SE because they could pose a threat if pushed out of omist to your alliance. if u did push them out .. how would SE react. wehre would they go.... would they decided to go into ASCN space and start up on your miners and your players... and after such a long tedious battle with G your people are tired and want to build that fancy new titan of yours and not have to deal with Omist.
I can promise u one thing KOS numbers will be increasing in the region and we will take it from SE. If i have to live out of a giant can and fight the way BE tought me fine. But it will be done.
And these comments are not meant to toss dirt at ASCN pilots .... because i like most ascn corps. I like dirty deeds steel rat has always been a nice fella. And i like EDF. and as well as golden oak industries who was my spnosor corp in Xetic. i like all those major players within ASCN. I have even been suprememly friendly with CLS. and like i said if u leave us alone great if u put us to neg 5 to come at an already weakened alliance that never got a decent chance to survive. a new one and stronger one will be born. So no matter how it goes down really there are enuff people that do not want SE down there. and that includes alot of your southern powers that supposedly made the call to abandon KOS. we know Bob and SA didnt agree to anything that was made. and i assure you they are not impressed with the way this issue was dealt with.
Im gonna drop this topic and let the rest of u hash it out because i think my personal opinions are of no concern to anyone. What was written was approved by the majority of KOS leadership and writen as a group. the last few posts have been my personal insights and do not reflect the opinions of the entire leadership.
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Arkanis
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Posted - 2006.01.05 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
um excuse me slacker.... did someone press the idiot button at the fair... No... sit down and stay out of this post.
If anyone did it was you, thinking this would end well. I also have an alias, or can't you read? Unlike yourself, I'm not named after my corp.
Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
It never fails whenever i make a post u guys have to show up to harrass and frustate an issue that your not even involved in. which is clear evidence of your childish methods and a clear obsession with me.
Obsession? I simply seen something quite hilarious and posted basically laughing at your attempt at a threat.
I've did nothing to harass nor frustrate an issue that you already screwed up yourself, due in part to your inability to reason. Or be anything remotely like a leader.
Obsession? Not really, we just enjoy mocking you as you think you're something special. Run your mouth a lot, then cry and whine "we're only miners" when your words get you into trouble.
Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
and to think all this happened because in a chat Rightous Fury deced to tell me he was gonna stick his *edit* in my kid sisters mouth* What ur talking about was nearly a yr ago
It was over a year ago and I never refered to that, which everyone else bar yourself could see was banter. Its not our fault you're hotheaded and completely stupid. Despite calling us obsessed. You're the one that keeps bringing this up and still whinging about it.
Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
U wanna come down to omist to get some of me .... bring it. perhaps we should make it easy and go to antem and break up a couple of your gate camping sessions....Slacker needs to find a hobby
Been there, done that, killed you for a hilarious local log. What was that plaz? "I will crush your corp" or perhaps "Your members will flee in terror" ?
I'm not quite sure, I guess reducing your corporation to joining Chosen Fate and Soban Industries just being yourself and your alt was crushing us. Or was it our members FLEEING in terror to delve? I forget, either way you're a complete joke and I'm sure ASCN are thinking "Oh noes, they will crush our alliance!!!" inside one of their 50 outposts.
Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
plus i was not threatening anyone but stating facts.
So was I.
I can do any of the two things mentioned and don't think because we're doing other things, we forgot about you.
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Eshtir
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:00:00 -
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Thread go a cleanup. Listen to my words, this is a roleplay section of the forums called GalNet. Out of Eve stuff has no place here, same as 1337 speak. The attempts made to let this thread go off-topic has been noted, alsoe the names of the offender. So should you try to do it again, i will send you a e-mail which will not be good for your forum health.
As i said stay in-character at all times. I suggest to anyone here to read the forum rules and post accordingly to them.
Last but not least, drop the personal attacks and insults. Even in an roleplay section you have no rights to do so.
You can reach us at [email protected] if you have questions regarding moderation or want to report a bad thread/post.
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Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:22:00 -
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Thank you ISD dude.
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Sapha
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
...we will take it from SE. If i have to live out of a giant can and fight the way BE tought me fine. But it will be done.
LOL
My can will be right next to ya mate.
I will stay and fight as long as it takes...or until my clone is born with four legs and no arms again.
S-A-P-H-A
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BlackSabbath
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:34:00 -
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you get a warning from a mod and get your thread deleted the punishment should be a mod realeasing all your alt/main characters for that account. you been bad so pay the price
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Fitz Chivalry
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:41:00 -
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I will just add one point to this then I will leave this thread alone.
Post in Haste, repent at your leisure.
Everyone directly involved in this matter should keep this in mind 
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Weeman
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:46:00 -
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HAHAHAHA
Hi2u plazmalord :)
Killboard links are not permitted on the forums. - Teblin |
Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:53:00 -
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By the way can you prove you ahve been told not to anchor any POSes or fight back? 
- Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius) |
Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:07:00 -
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i believe we can i will check with Demogod the Vice president of KOS to see if he has record of it. However to do what was said to be done made logical sense to keep SE from Putting up more Large POS. I fail to see how this is hard to believe. But if we have the documentation we certainly will provide it.
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c0rn1
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:26:00 -
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Is this a declaration of war towards us?
I just ask because we don't have any official message about a standing change of ASCN yet. Last what we heard is they keep us at + as long as the discussion about this goes on.
2006.01.05 18:18
Victim: Saeris
Alliance: Knights Of the Southerncross
Corp: 42nd Armored
Destroyed: Amarr Shuttle
System: Y-MPWL
Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Digital Doc (laid the final blow)
Security: 3.3
Alliance: Ascendant Frontier
Corp: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship: Zealot
Weapon: Heavy Beam Laser II
Name: Leonthoric
Security: 5.0
Alliance: Ascendant Frontier
Corp: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship: Nemesis
Weapon: Remote Sensor Dampener II
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Life's a waste of time ...
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: c0rn1
Is this a declaration of war towards us?
I just ask because we don't have any official message about a standing change of ASCN yet. Last what we heard is they keep us at + as long as the discussion about this goes on.
2006.01.05 18:18
Victim: Saeris
Alliance: Knights Of the Southerncross
Corp: 42nd Armored
Destroyed: Amarr Shuttle
System: Y-MPWL
Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Digital Doc (laid the final blow)
Security: 3.3
Alliance: Ascendant Frontier
Corp: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship: Zealot
Weapon: Heavy Beam Laser II
Name: Leonthoric
Security: 5.0
Alliance: Ascendant Frontier
Corp: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship: Nemesis
Weapon: Remote Sensor Dampener II
take it to the leadership, not to public galnet.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:37:00 -
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That was an accident, being sorted right now (digital getting booted I think)
- Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius) |
Spuki
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Spuki on 05/01/2006 18:45:08
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
"KOS has NAP'd G"
Erm, SE had also 
As well as ASCN napped G a few weeks before that ...
So KOS is guilty doing the same as ASCN did?
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Angelus x, please report to IRC to receive my size 12 boot up your ass.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Spuki
Edited by: Spuki on 05/01/2006 18:45:08
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
"KOS has NAP'd G"
Erm, SE had also
As well as ASCN napped G a few weeks before that ...
So KOS is guilty doing the same as ASCN did?
We didnt nap you spuki, we handed you a knife and showed our backs :)
(ur sig sucks)
- Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius) |
hezie99
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Posted - 2006.01.05 19:02:00 -
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after the whole xetic thing why does this surprise anyone really
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.01.05 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Spuki
Edited by: Spuki on 05/01/2006 18:45:08
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
"KOS has NAP'd G"
Erm, SE had also
As well as ASCN napped G a few weeks before that ...
So KOS is guilty doing the same as ASCN did?
We didnt nap you spuki, we handed you a knife and showed our backs :)
AGHHH MUST RESIST... I shall not answer... it's too easy... resist... resist... Do not answer to that... Back... knife... humpf
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