I want to see a more attractive lowsec and nullsec, but I don't think this is the way to go about it. It's too restrictive for EVE online. I'd prefer to see incentive to move operations to more dangerous areas, not restriction on what you're allowed to do. I also don't want to see highsec as a newbie area or lowsec/null as more 'endgame' areas. They should just be different places to be.

If a proposed solution attempts to fix a problem by making part of the game less fun, it's a poor solution.

It would not make it less fun ... it would restrict ship-class.

..with all the calls for more incentive to go into low, to make 0.0 matter, to nerf highsec etc. etc., I was wondering if the simplest solution isnt actualy a pretty good one: ship and item restrictions for hi-sec

If highsec would be a place where only small ships would be allowed (let's say up to BC, no barges, no freighters) and where the market cant handle t2 equipment, implants, boosters, etc. etc. would that not instantly solve all issues ?

You could bring a t1 frig, destroyer, cruiser, bc, small transport and perhaps a 1 laser barge ... fit it t2, but shopping in lowsec mandatory in that case as the market cant handle t2 in high ..

Poor jita will die ... tradehubs will form in areas where uneasy alliances are formed because we all need stuff and a relatively safe market ... corporations would not only dump **** on the market but would need to keep that market attractive ..

Highsec would be training ground, lowsec would be where pirates roam and possibly extort people without 0.0 acces to buy modules and ships from the overpriced lowsec market.... 0.0 would be the new high-sec ... if the sov owners can handle the traffic. They would want your business ... as there wont be any highsec market to offload all the stuff their indies make to keep their alliance's isk coming in.


So yeah, maybe I just miss something realy obvious, and this will be another one of my infamous 'I should have shut up' topics .. but would this not solve all issues and only cause a little discomfort to everybody as droves of carebears overrun the few lowsec dwellers on their way to somewhat neutral 0.0 in order to keep business going, sprouting some fine pirate cartels in the process 'owning' low to the degree that noone can enforce the law there without huge presence, making them able to actually live of selling loot instead of reprocessing it ... etc. ?

I refuse to leave hi sec. I will stay in Deklein for ever.

The problem, to be honest, is not in Highsec at all. The reason why people do not go to Nullsec is because the Sov Holders and their NBSI policies.

If we did implement the OP's suggestions, you would find that the SOV Holders would not tolerate the traffic at all. There would be a continuous GANKFEST until the Highsec dwellers simply left the game. Sure, the PvP Killboard Whores would relish the feeding frenzy while it lasted, but Nullsec NBSI simply will not support immigrants.

Nullsec would require a complete reworking and I doubt the entrenched interests would like that. So instead we're back to the NERF HIGHSEC!!!

Came for Detroit Rock City, leaving disappointed.

It would force people to play the game I guess...

..with all the calls for more incentive to go into low, to make 0.0 matter, to nerf highsec etc. etc., I was wondering if the simplest solution isnt actualy a pretty good one: ship and item restrictions for hi-sec

If highsec would be a place where only small ships would be allowed (let's say up to BC, no barges, no freighters) and where the market cant handle t2 equipment, implants, boosters, etc. etc. would that not instantly solve all issues ?

You could bring a t1 frig, destroyer, cruiser, bc, small transport and perhaps a 1 laser barge ... fit it t2, but shopping in lowsec mandatory in that case as the market cant handle t2 in high ..

Poor jita will die ... tradehubs will form in areas where uneasy alliances are formed because we all need stuff and a relatively safe market ... corporations would not only dump **** on the market but would need to keep that market attractive ..

Highsec would be training ground, lowsec would be where pirates roam and possibly extort people without 0.0 acces to buy modules and ships from the overpriced lowsec market.... 0.0 would be the new high-sec ... if the sov owners can handle the traffic. They would want your business ... as there wont be any highsec market to offload all the stuff their indies make to keep their alliance's isk coming in.


So yeah, maybe I just miss something realy obvious, and this will be another one of my infamous 'I should have shut up' topics .. but would this not solve all issues and only cause a little discomfort to everybody as droves of carebears overrun the few lowsec dwellers on their way to somewhat neutral 0.0 in order to keep business going, sprouting some fine pirate cartels in the process 'owning' low to the degree that noone can enforce the law there without huge presence, making them able to actually live of selling loot instead of reprocessing it ... etc. ?

The problem, to be honest, is not in Highsec at all. The reason why people do not go to Nullsec is because the Sov Holders and their NBSI policies.

If we did implement the OP's suggestions, you would find that the SOV Holders would not tolerate the traffic at all. There would be a continuous GANKFEST until the Highsec dwellers simply left the game. Sure, the PvP Killboard Whores would relish the feeding frenzy while it lasted, but Nullsec NBSI simply will not support immigrants.

Oh god, seriously, why so many idiots think by nerfing empire to the ground it would make eve even better? I have an idea. How about removing every ships bigger than a BS and anyone with more than 15m SP from empire and move them to LS or null?

If you want more players moving from empire to null, LS or WH, then make this space attractive. If CCP would remove the security status hit from PVP in LS, i'm sure more players would give it a try (no bubble <3

My God ! I just realized that for 3 years and 7 months, I have not been playing EVE !

Thank you my Savior ! Thank you !!!!!

Well yeah .. that was a bit blunt .. I ment: it forces people to experience more of EVE then they are inclined to now.


But yeah, given the feedback, it was a stupid idea I guess. But with more people in low and forming alliances in 0.0 (or renting) because certain content would move there, didnt seem like a bad idea .. if you want risk free you are free to do so in highsec at reduced income .. and given more people in low being interested in safe areas for indies, pirate corps would be at war with eachother over protecting (ehm .. extorting) the miners ... pirate honor would mean something again and if in a certain area, the closest 0.0 alliance is probably controlling the market.

It would open up a lot of opportunitys and close none except the ones that make rich people richer with no effort.

But yeah, it would be a different game .. I didnt think well enough :p

The problem, to be honest, is not in Highsec at all. The reason why people do not go to Nullsec is because the Sov Holders and their NBSI policies.

If we did implement the OP's suggestions, you would find that the SOV Holders would not tolerate the traffic at all. There would be a continuous GANKFEST until the Highsec dwellers simply left the game. Sure, the PvP Killboard Whores would relish the feeding frenzy while it lasted, but Nullsec NBSI simply will not support immigrants.

High Sec could conquer all of Null sec in a couple of evenings if the above was not the case...IF they could bother to cooperate with each other for more than 10 seconds before screaming "I won't be your slave, I'm Independence-minded!!!!" to everyone. As high sec can't come together long enough to elect one csm, I'm not gonna hold my breath.

The what 200 dudes that run incursions can't even get along? You ever witness that drama-thon?

That's the thing, null sec players are cooperative were as many high sec players tend to view cooperation as some form of slavery lol.

The fact that this post got 5 likes means that there are at least 6 delusional people in EVE right this moment

It's just extremely backwards thinking. The idea that more people would leave high if the denizens of the "cold, harsh, dark" universe would just be NICE to them is ridicules. If the ever happened at any time in the history of mankind, EVE itself would have or need CONCORD in high sec, people would just link their ships together and sing kuubyaa all night long and everything would be rainbows and unicorns that crap ice cream.

The fact that people with space ships and guns play a spaceship and guns game correctly outside of the games cuddle and tickle zone is not the "reason" why people don't leave high sec. The reason is that very many people who play this and other video games have egos so weak as to not be able to withstand even imaginary loss.

High Sec could conquer all of Null sec in a couple of evenings if the above was not the case...IF they could bother to cooperate with each other for more than 10 seconds before screaming "I won't be your slave, I'm Independence-minded!!!!" to everyone. As high sec can't come together long enough to elect one csm, I'm not gonna hold my breath.

That's the thing, null sec players are cooperative were as many high sec players tend to view cooperation as some form of slavery lol.