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Luance DeAngeluotti
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Posted - 2006.01.08 13:11:00 -
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Aegis Militia declared war because Coreli attacked Amarr paramilitaries.
Regarding this I would like to make the following statement.
Only Coreli and NOT The Cyrene Initiative attacked Amarr forces because I urged them to do so.
I have a very personal interest in recovering a cure for Vitoc based on the research by the late Dr. Ullia Hnolku. So I engineered several situations where my 'corpmates' did have no other choice but to engage Amarr (and also Caldari) forces.
The last attack of Coreli against a convoy of Amarr paramilitaries was led by my sister Seraphin. She thought she could help me get out of my prison in Amarr space and was fortified in her belief by this communication that she received:
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2005.12.08 03:02
You do not know me, but I understand that you have some cause for a grievance against the paramilitary organisation known as the First Praetorian Guard. With this in mind, I have some information that may be of interest to you. 1PG have been contracted to provide security for a cargo shipment from Amarr space to the Federation. An Ammatar with a chequered employment record has been contracted to ship goods to Gallente territory, and security is being provided by loyalist paramilitaries - I suspect that that there could even be some kind of plot against the Federation. Intercepting the
convoy could well confirm or allay such suspicions. The shipment is due to depart at around 19:00 (Eve Standard Time) on the 11th December, 107. It is my intention to try and follow the convoy personally and maybe see what it is carrying. It would be terrible if an accident was to befall it in the pirate-infested low security space though, wouldn't it? Sincerely,
Hethiba Jemah
A communication from a person afterwards claiming to be the victim I might add.
I now have secured all data concerning the research for the vitoc cure from Coreli laboratories.
I will try to finish the research alone with the help of Gallente and Caldari scientists. I will start my own corporation to do this.
But my hate for certain factions within the Amarr is burning deep.
They are responsible for the death of my sister and me loosing almost two weeks of my memory.
I will avenge the death of Seraphin.
I will find out if the 1st Praetorian Guard really held me hostage for two weeks.
I will pursue every Amarr threatening the Gallente way of life.
I will find a cure to vitoc and make it available to the Minmatar Republic.
It is me that you should wage war against, I am your problem....
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2006.01.08 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 08/01/2006 13:30:40
I will turn my back on the Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic. My hopes and dreams are to see the better for both, but I will no longer fight for either one of them.
I've seen the Minmatar heart grow small towards the Gallente in their ongoing struggle and bloodshed against the Amarr. Together with the recent betrayals within the Coreli Corporation I no longer have the energy or spirit to fight for either one of them.
However you are truly a loyal Gallente citizen Luance and I hope that I may consider you a friend and as such you can count on my support if I am able to provide it.
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Kaeleron
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Posted - 2006.01.08 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Luance DeAngeluotti
Aegis Militia declared war because Coreli attacked Amarr paramilitaries.
Regarding this I would like to make the following statement.
Only Coreli and NOT The Cyrene Initiative attacked Amarr forces because I urged them to do so . . . It is me that you should wage war against, I am your problem....
Sometimes the actions of one cost more to all than one would hope. An alliance pledges to strive or fall together. It seems Cyrene is going to have to show their true mettle.
All that is essential for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. |
Nooey
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Posted - 2006.01.08 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeleron
Sometimes the actions of one cost more to all than one would hope. An alliance pledges to strive or fall together. It seems Cyrene is going to have to show their true mettle.
That's all well and good Kaeleron, but Coreli, and Coreli only, has started a war and fled on Day 1.
I am told that nobody else within The Cyrene Initiative was even made aware of Coreli's actions.
You're indeed right an Alliance pledges to fall or strive together, it seems the Executor Corp has decided to abandon such a pledge, and has run off with their tail between their legs to go become Serpentis minions.
I wish the remaining people within the Alliance all the best with cleaning up the atrocious mess their so called Exector has left them.
Disgustingly weak character shown by Coreli, most notably their CEO.
But not exactly surprising.
I'll be interested in whether Aegis Militia pursues the real culprits here, or blindly lashes out at those whose only guilt is association.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.01.08 18:31:00 -
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As the pressure of a looming war increases, the Gallente corporations already begin to fall apart, and alliances shatter.
How predictable.
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Callistus
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Posted - 2006.01.08 19:23:00 -
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The current Coreli situation has been weeks in the planning. The decision by the Aegis Militia to declare war on the Cyrene Initiative is simply bad timing.
However Mr Nooey rightly points out that it was actions taken by Coreli, and Coreli only, which AM have used to justify this war. Yet with Coreli no longer a member of the Initiative the Aegis Militia continues its attacks upon them.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2006.01.08 21:10:00 -
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The only act of friendship that those betrayers showed us on the end was in accepting any ęsurrenderĘ treaties that AM made (such as the 1000 slaves).
AM however are only looking for a war so they continued to declare on the alliance anyways, my bet is that they moved their forces weeks in advance and that peace was never an option.
AM set out for war and nothing not even surrendering under terms seems to make them stop this war.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.08 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Callistus
The current Coreli situation has been weeks in the planning. The decision by the Aegis Militia to declare war on the Cyrene Initiative is simply bad timing.
Several of us have also been pointing out your CEO's relations with the Federation's largest active enemy, and many of your followers ignored it due to powerful Federation brainwashing.
The Federation can't even trust its own citizens, and these actions take place so easily it seems. Perhaps the Intakis who form their own State won't have to worry about the Gallente attempting to oppress them, because the Federation is going to crumble before long at this rate.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.01.08 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Several of us have also been pointing out your CEO's relations with the Federation's largest active enemy, and many of your followers ignored it due to powerful Federation brainwashing.
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.01.08 21:56:00 -
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You reap what you sow. Maybe being more active in what the head was doing would have helped the hands.
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Feenixx
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Posted - 2006.01.08 22:10:00 -
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I find this Funny as this war has nothing to do with us attacking Amarr forces but more on the soul fact that AM wants a fight beacuse they are bored. Am Are Griefer Pirates at heart hiding behind a Vail Claming to be protecting the empire. And its also funny how many people AM have pushed into this war that never wanted it.
[ 2006.01.08 20:25:56 ] Petitioner ofAM > anyways, not everyone in AM is supporting this, and quite a few of us aren't of the opinion that attacking CYI was even a reasonable move to begin with
[ 2006.01.08 20:26:02 ] Feenixx > id resect even more if i could get an answer to y some one claiming to protect the empire would run a war against another alliance that has the same gold
[ 2006.01.08 20:26:06 ] Feenixx > goals*
[ 2006.01.08 20:26:27 ] Petitioner ofAM > this has barely anything to do with actual RP
[ 2006.01.08 20:26:33 ] Feenixx > yes i know
[ 2006.01.08 20:26:46 ] Feenixx > thus y im so agervated
[ 2006.01.08 20:27:20 ] Petitioner ofAM > some members of AM have been planning this for a month or so, and did alot of prep work, anyways so when the war couldn't be justified there was some extreme conflict
[ 2006.01.08 20:28:39 ] Petitioner ofAM > anyways, the general leadership has basically been forced to continue on with the war, even though im pretty sure they understand that there is no justifiable reason
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2006.01.08 23:35:00 -
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For the record:
"Petitioner ofAM" is not or ever have been speaking on behalf for AM in an official capacity.
I will investigate to the best of my abilities as to the true name behind the coward curtain above, but I suspect it is of "outside the alliance" origin, if it is found to be internal the offender will be taken care of.
___________________________
Aegis Militia Diplomatic Relations Officer
C.E.O. of SHOD
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Feenixx
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Posted - 2006.01.08 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Feenixx on 08/01/2006 23:39:33
for anonymity sake this pilot chose to talk to me, thus the name. But this person is a trusted source from within AM. |
Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 09/01/2006 00:08:51
how would you know if this "petitioner of AM" was trusted when they are saying exactly the opposite of the allaince?
it matters not anyway
I will have my boot on Cyrene leadership throat soon enough, you will be Reclaimed just like me and no petty forum smack will stop it.
you are just angry becuase you got dropped like a sac of rocks in luminair.
learn to fight, not Forum flame.
Aegis Miltia Infomercial + video
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242744 |
Lijah Valencourt
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lijah Valencourt on 09/01/2006 00:09:49
*Lijah yawns
Whatever Tomahawk. Coreli are in Curse, see you there. We were the ones who get your panties in a bunch were we not? Leave Cyrene alone 
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 09/01/2006 00:11:54
Originally by: Lijah Valencourt
Edited by: Lijah Valencourt on 09/01/2006 00:09:49
*Lijah yawns
Whatever Tomahawk. Coreli are in Curse, see you there. We were the ones who get your panties in a bunch were we not? Leave Cyrene alone
yes you run away and then make threats...
first the non-traitors to Gallente die. then after they are Reclaimed maybe you. But keep running though, it makes me laugh.
Aegis Miltia Infomercial + video
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242744 |
Feenixx
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 09/01/2006 00:08:51
you are just angry becuase you got dropped like a sac of rocks in luminair.
learn to fight, not Forum flame.
Ok see perfect example, your all proud that you were Camping the station with 5 pilots and took town a mighty tristen! What an accomplishment! I know them Tristen's can really be hard to kill. You know with all that armor they have. |
Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Feenixx
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 09/01/2006 00:08:51
you are just angry becuase you got dropped like a sac of rocks in luminair.
learn to fight, not Forum flame.
Ok see perfect example, your all proud that you were Camping the station with 5 pilots and took town a mighty tristen! What an accomplishment! I know them Tristen's can really be hard to kill. You know with all that armor they have.
i agree actually, but you are the one who got angry about it not us.
there were seven of you hiding from our five. you did somthing stupid and I got to blow your smart mouth up. kudos to me but don't get all excited over a tristan and make these forum lies. it is petulant.
Aegis Miltia Infomercial + video
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242744 |
Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Feenixx
Edited by: Feenixx on 08/01/2006 23:39:33
for anonymity sake this pilot chose to talk to me, thus the name. But this person is a trusted source from within AM.
of course, I am also the new emperor of Amarr
Whether real or imaginary the log carries no weight in its current state and bears no merit here in this arena. Any further discussion on this log or the coward behind it can be brought to myself, Graelyn, or the Executor of the Alliance, Mirial via private chat.
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Aegis Militia Diplomatic Relations Officer
C.E.O. of SHOD
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Feenixx
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Feenixx
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 09/01/2006 00:08:51
you are just angry becuase you got dropped like a sac of rocks in luminair.
learn to fight, not Forum flame.
Ok see perfect example, your all proud that you were Camping the station with 5 pilots and took town a mighty tristen! What an accomplishment! I know them Tristen's can really be hard to kill. You know with all that armor they have.
i agree actually, but you are the one who got angry about it not us.
there were seven of you hiding from our five. you did somthing stupid and I got to blow your smart mouth up. kudos to me but don't get all excited over a tristan and make these forum lies. it is petulant.
Lies why would i lie? Im not mad cus i lost a tristen lol. Silly Fool don't let your pride blind you from the truth. I didnt get mad beacuse i lost a tristen i was upset that you took so long to target me after i undocked. Its a tristen 200k is easy to make for a replacement. I think you were more angry witht he fact that when i was in Alentene last ngiht none of you could catch my Mighty Tristen, 1 lock in 2 hrs isnt a bas start tho.
GL to you tho in your future pirating venues |
Feenixx
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Artemis
Originally by: Feenixx
Edited by: Feenixx on 08/01/2006 23:39:33
for anonymity sake this pilot chose to talk to me, thus the name. But this person is a trusted source from within AM.
of course, I am also the new emperor of Amarr
Whether real or imaginary the log carries no weight in its current state and bears no merit here in this arena. Any further discussion on this log or the coward behind it can be brought to myself, Graelyn, or the Executor of the Alliance, Mirial via private chat.
Im sorry but only me and one other know who gave this testament, And nither of us will speak his name aloud. |
Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:33:00 -
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Any further discussion on this log or the coward behind it can be brought to Lord Artemis, Graelyn, or the Executor of the Alliance, Mirial via private chat. |
Robet Katrix
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Feenixx
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Feenixx
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 09/01/2006 00:08:51
you are just angry becuase you got dropped like a sac of rocks in luminair.
learn to fight, not Forum flame.
Ok see perfect example, your all proud that you were Camping the station with 5 pilots and took town a mighty tristen! What an accomplishment! I know them Tristen's can really be hard to kill. You know with all that armor they have.
i agree actually, but you are the one who got angry about it not us.
there were seven of you hiding from our five. you did somthing stupid and I got to blow your smart mouth up. kudos to me but don't get all excited over a tristan and make these forum lies. it is petulant.
Lies why would i lie? Im not mad cus i lost a tristen lol. Silly Fool don't let your pride blind you from the truth. I didnt get mad beacuse i lost a tristen i was upset that you took so long to target me after i undocked. Its a tristen 200k is easy to make for a replacement. I think you were more angry witht he fact that when i was in Alentene last ngiht none of you could catch my Mighty Tristen, 1 lock in 2 hrs isnt a bas start tho.
GL to you tho in your future pirating venues
In the end you DIED. and your POD, that died too
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Feenixx
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Robet Katrix
In the end you DIED. and your POD, that died too
Um ok? Can i have another?
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Feenixx
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Posted - 2006.01.09 00:59:00 -
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In other thoughts I wish you all well hunting with Cyrene, in 20 hrs I will we leaving Coreli to Further my self in other ways than piracy. As for AM goes you certainly have some nice pilots, but some of you could use a manners check. It was good fighting against you. I wish you well and safe flying. |
Aegis Stormborn
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Posted - 2006.01.09 01:22:00 -
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Luance DeAngeluotti,
It is an unfortunate circumstance we all find ourselves in. Though I've no sympathies for the Gallente Federation, it is obvious that subterfuge and blatant betrayal has led The Cyrene Initiative to such a pitiful circumstance. Coreli, by your own admittance has brought this about and yet it strikes me as odd that the shell that remains of The Cyrene Initiative is asking AM to pursue Coreli and you - your last "masterful" play?
The truth of the matter is - the demands enforced on the Cyrene Initiative have still not been met and the demands themselves are not strenuous by any stretch of imagination. Pride seems to be the largest interference to a peaceful conclusion and I cannot help but wonder why Coreli was allowed to leave The Cyrene Initiative in such an awful state? If the Initiative had any pride they let it leave with the last untouched Coreli hauler - well, the ones that we hadn't already targeted and destroyed.
To the members of The Cyrene Initiative: Yours is the responsibility to atone for the sins of a cowardly corporation. I cannot speak for the Alliance, but I can firmly state that piracy conducted by any corporation is dealt with very swiftly when we have the opportunity of executing judgment for their crimes. Should I cross the Coreli let us both pray that justice provides a swift reward to the betrayers and back-stabbers. May your meeting our demands be swift and may we soon be seeing eye-to-eye in the dealing with those who have damned you.
Aegis Stormborn
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.09 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Feenixx
Edited by: Feenixx on 08/01/2006 23:39:33
for anonymity sake this pilot chose to talk to me, thus the name. But this person is a trusted source from within AM.
You mean like how Coreli was a noble pro-Federation corporation?
Originally by: Oveur
I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
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Feenixx
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Posted - 2006.01.09 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Feenixx
Edited by: Feenixx on 08/01/2006 23:39:33
for anonymity sake this pilot chose to talk to me, thus the name. But this person is a trusted source from within AM.
You mean like how Coreli was a noble pro-Federation corporation?
1 word , What? |
Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.01.09 02:17:00 -
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This thread makes me despair for the Gallente
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Oisin
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Posted - 2006.01.09 02:21:00 -
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Please excuse me if I fail to weep at this news. Coreli, in my opinion, has been a toxic and divisive influence in the Federation they claim to support. Now, perhaps, we can begin working together to bring about true equality, respect, and comradeship between the races of the Federation - because without these things, the Federation's days are surely numbered.
As for Coreli's prospective move to Curse, all I can do is wish your pilots and crews the best of luck. Down there, you'll need all the good fortune you can get.
Placid Reborn is Recruiting
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.01.09 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Feenixx
Lies why would i lie? Im not mad cus i lost a tristen lol. Silly Fool don't let your pride blind you from the truth. I didnt get mad beacuse i lost a tristen i was upset that you took so long to target me after i undocked. Its a tristen 200k is easy to make for a replacement. I think you were more angry witht he fact that when i was in Alentene last ngiht none of you could catch my Mighty Tristen, 1 lock in 2 hrs isnt a bas start tho.
GL to you tho in your future pirating venues
Cripes a'mighty...what's all this hub-bub about a tristan? And why does the loss of one frigate and the time it takes to lock/kill one become the central theme for this conflict?
I'm not privy to the details of Aegis Militia's objectives here, but if you don't want to lose more tristans (or get angry because it takes Militia ships so long to lock yours) then yield to the terms (which, I understand, are reasonable.) If you don't mind losing tristans or getting your blood-pressure up over lock-times...then continue the fight.
But good Lord, don't flood the FTL waves with the rest of this silliness.
Garreck
Aku. Soku. Zan. |
Feenixx
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Posted - 2006.01.09 06:51:00 -
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Im not getting my blood pressure up, its a tristen i dont really care too much. But i like what you said :) siliness ahoy! |
Crausaum
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Posted - 2006.01.09 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Crausaum on 09/01/2006 07:14:09
Greetings ladies and gentlemen. I doubt that many of you know me or have even seen me in passing but I am the new executor of The Cyrene Initiative and I have decided to come forward with some hard facts from Cyrene itself for you all to mull over.
The Coreli Corporation - Even inside The Cyrene Initiative it is debated if their departure at the start of the war was just an unpleasant circumstance or intentional.
For the most part their members left on good terms as a good portion of Coreli pilots seem to have been unaware of their corporations intentions.
The alliance Senate was never given any hint that there was a problem with Aegis Militia despite the fact that we have a Senate for diplomatic issues. We found out about AM via a Concord issued war declaration letter that showed up in our inboxes along with a letter about the Coreli corporation's imminent departure.
Cyrene Now - At present Cyrene has 45 pilots, many with little to no practical combat experience.
However these remaining pilots are proving themselves dedicated by merely staying with the alliance though these troubled times and I salute them for it.
Once the war is over over we will rebuild and make sure to avoid the errors that lead to us losing 3/4 of the alliance pilots in one swift blow.
The War - We're outnumbered 5 to 1 and most of our pilots lack expierience. There is going to be no war, just a lot of boredom while we make AM spend hours (if not days) to get it's kills. Maybe we'll even get lucky and take one of them out at some point.
Aegis Malitia - From memory; AM demanded that we renounce all ties with Minmatar terrorists and that we trade them 1000 slaves that they would pay for, to show our support of slavery. As we have no ties with Matari terrorists we found the first demand a little hard to satisfy but were informed that we could also renounce any future support of Matari terrorists. We refused on principle, why should we make a declaration whenever some consortium of thugs decides to declare war on us?
On the issue of slavery we neither support it nor actively fight it. We simply respect Federation laws wherever we travel and trading a thousand human live to save our skins is a line we will not cross.
AM has at times stated that we were responsible for the use of Insorium on numerous Amarr worlds but the last time I check Cyrene's membership rosters we seem to lack any Blood Raiders.
And on a final note could someone please tell what Aegis Militia pilots mean when they say they are going to "Reclaim" me? I am aware of the historical Reclaiming of the Amarr empire but I have been unable to find how these pilots would do such a thing to me. Perhaps I am just overlooking the required forms my local Concord station? Until such time as I can be sure of their intentions I shall simply instruct my pod's translation software to translate it to "Yarrr! We're going to BBQ you!!1" as this seems to much more in standing with the thought the AM pilots are trying to convey.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.09 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Feenixx
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Feenixx
Edited by: Feenixx on 08/01/2006 23:39:33
for anonymity sake this pilot chose to talk to me, thus the name. But this person is a trusted source from within AM.
You mean like how Coreli was a noble pro-Federation corporation?
1 word , What?
You say the source is a trusted person within AM, and I'm saying Coreli was a noble pro-Federation corporation.
I'm making fun of you because my comment about Coreli being noble OR pro-federation is completely bogus, thus, I am saying your 'source' is bogus.
((maybe less people use my reponse than I thought, I know others in my area have responded to what they find bogus with something bogus, I can't imagine it's something regional, like the word gumband or yinz.))
Originally by: Oveur
I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
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Aaeandar Vienne
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Posted - 2006.01.09 08:10:00 -
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Facts stated in this thread:
Coreli admits to aiding minmatar terrorists.
Coreli was the executor corp in CYI.
To say that CYI has never aided Minmatar terrorists is a lie, as Coreli has stated repeatedly that they have.
Each member of an alliance is accountable for the actions of all other members. This is what makes an alliance, an alliance.
The reclaiming begins with Amarr! |
Luance DeAngeluotti
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Posted - 2006.01.09 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Luance DeAngeluotti on 09/01/2006 08:32:31
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
This thread makes me despair for the Gallente
Yeah, me too.
I am very sad that things took this turn.
((For those who are interested in what is going on from an ooc pov read these threads:
Fist contact AM to Coreli
My try to open channels
My last statement
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Luance DeAngeluotti
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Posted - 2006.01.09 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Aaeandar Vienne
Facts stated in this thread:
Coreli admits to aiding minmatar terrorists.
Coreli was the executor corp in CYI.
To say that CYI has never aided Minmatar terrorists is a lie, as Coreli has stated repeatedly that they have.
Each member of an alliance is accountable for the actions of all other members. This is what makes an alliance, an alliance.
Sadly this logic sounds true.
Sorry friends in the CYI. I was trying to take the heat for the actions I made.
I failed.
I will now go into hiding and try to finish the research on my own.
Best wishes for you. May your hybrids always strike true and may Gallente technology prevail over Amarr faith.
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Kodan Ajex
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Posted - 2006.01.09 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
This thread makes me despair for the Gallente
Agreed it makes me question my belief in the Gallente 
"The truest measure of a society is how it treats its elderly, its pets, and its prisoners."
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.09 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Crausaum
trading a thousand human lives to save our skins is a line we will not cross
You have my respect for this, it takes a brave man to stand by his morals in the face of violence.
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- Just a simple Ultimate Undeniable Underdog.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.01.09 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/01/2006 11:17:00
Originally by: Aegis Stormborn
I cannot help but wonder why Coreli was allowed to leave The Cyrene Initiative in such an awful state?
What makes you think they ever had any input on the matter?
Originally by: Aegis Stormborn
May your meeting our demands be swift and may we soon be seeing eye-to-eye in the dealing with those who have damned you.
Coreli offered you your slaves, you refused, now the option is open again? Desperatly looking for a reason huh?
Originally by: Aaeandar Vienne
Coreli admits to aiding minmatar terrorists.
Actually we tried to retrieve the formula from the Minmatar, which most likely would have either been developed into a bioweapon or an awfully expensive cure to vitoc.
Then i again, the bioweapon would only be useful against those that holds slaves which is currently just the Amarrian Empire, the Khanid Kingdom and possibly the Caldari state in the future.
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Lord Elric
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Posted - 2006.01.09 11:41:00 -
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Crausaum good luck old friend I hope all gose well for you.
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Brutal Butcher
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Posted - 2006.01.09 12:05:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Brutal Butcher on 09/01/2006 12:06:11
Originally by: Crausaum
Edited by: Crausaum on 09/01/2006 07:27:02trading a thousand human lives to save our skins is a line we will not cross.
humans? 
its not because they got hands and feet that they are humans...
i mean, comon,...
monkeys have hands and feet too and they arent human neither. 
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.09 14:48:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Brutal Butcher
Originally by: Crausaum
trading a thousand human lives to save our skins is a line we will not cross.
humans?
its not because they got hands and feet that they are humans...
i mean, comon,...
monkeys have hands and feet too and they arent human neither.
The fact that one of them could impregnate your daughter DOES make them human.
Your mistake is in attributing far, far too much merit on the basis of humanity alone.
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Brutal Butcher
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Posted - 2006.01.09 15:14:00 -
[44]
my apologies.
sometimes my racial jokes are a bit too rude for some people 
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Soratah
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Posted - 2006.01.09 16:46:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Crausaum
trading a thousand human lives to save our skins is a line we will not cross
You have my respect for this, it takes a brave man to stand by his morals in the face of violence.
You just have words for them Khaldorn? No pilots or soldiers to fill their ranks, no ships to protect their skies from holy pillars of fire?
For that I would call aid, but they're like lost ship with trailing supporters all ragged and grey, and you yourself more begger-like than the rest.
CYI have declared they will stick by their principles and remain defiant against us. They shall burn or capitulate the choices are simple. The fact they're here complaining about the injustice of it is laughable. Neither are the demands and expectations of AM unreasonable.
Choice was made, die was cast we all live with the concequences.
Regards
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.09 17:15:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Soratah
You just have words for them Khaldorn? No pilots or soldiers to fill their ranks, no ships to protect their skies from holy pillars of fire?
For that I would call aid, but they're like lost ship with trailing supporters all ragged and grey, and you yourself more begger-like than the rest.
How many slavers burned at our hands while you sat and did nothing Soratah?
Hyprocrit.
I have no pilots to give them, for I command none.
But I expect nothing more from a slaver. However, what crimes are these people guilty of in your eyes now that Corelli have left their ranks?
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Soratah
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Posted - 2006.01.09 17:31:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Soratah
You just have words for them Khaldorn? No pilots or soldiers to fill their ranks, no ships to protect their skies from holy pillars of fire?
For that I would call aid, but they're like lost ship with trailing supporters all ragged and grey, and you yourself more begger-like than the rest.
How many slavers burned at our hands while you sat and did nothing Soratah?
Hyprocrit.
I have no pilots to give them, for I command none.
But I expect nothing more from a slaver. However, what crimes are these people guilty of in your eyes now that Corelli have left their ranks?
Alas what a fool I was to not expect you to be reading the IGS post every minute of the day. Considering how I spent more hours in space fighting scum like you than you have had hot dinners means only one thing. That you are indulging in ANOTHER fallacious and illogical arguement. I really should stop overestimating you it's a habit of mine to believe that everyone is sentient. But alas..
As for your question, the alliance as it is stands and stood for the belief that support of the Matari republic is a noble cause and should be undertaken. Aegis is making an example of them. They have the choice to continue to exist as retainers to the empire, or to share the fate of the Matari terrorist groups. It's simple
I will not comment further on this thread im needed in space hunting and killing enemies of the Empire.
Regards
Soratah
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Aran Cole
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Posted - 2006.01.09 18:58:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/01/2006 11:17:00
Originally by: Aegis Stormborn
I cannot help but wonder why Coreli was allowed to leave The Cyrene Initiative in such an awful state?
What makes you think they ever had any input on the matter?
Originally by: Aegis Stormborn
May your meeting our demands be swift and may we soon be seeing eye-to-eye in the dealing with those who have damned you.
Coreli offered you your slaves, you refused, now the option is open again? Desperatly looking for a reason huh?
Originally by: Aaeandar Vienne
Coreli admits to aiding minmatar terrorists.
Actually we tried to retrieve the formula from the Minmatar, which most likely would have either been developed into a bioweapon or an awfully expensive cure to vitoc.
Then i again, the bioweapon would only be useful against those that holds slaves which is currently just the Amarrian Empire, the Khanid Kingdom and possibly the Caldari state in the future.
 Do you see that? That's my look of utter shock that someone as honest and trustworthy as the golden-tongued Joshua Foiritain would say something so utterly untrue. Someone catch me, I'm about to faint.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.09 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
How many slavers burned at our hands while you sat and did nothing Soratah?
Hyprocrit.
I have no pilots to give them, for I command none.
But I expect nothing more from a slaver. However, what crimes are these people guilty of in your eyes now that Corelli have left their ranks?
I'd say they're guilty of the same crimes many groups the Ushra Khan attack... being connected to an enemy in some way. Granted, being part of the same alliance is a better connection than some of the "well you're caldari, you're allies with the amarr so you must support slavery" bull I've heard from some U'K members.
Originally by: Oveur
I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2006.01.09 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 09/01/2006 22:35:51
((What feenixx did here was incorrect and I hope people can let that stuff go))
Though Josh is a filthy traitor I know those words are spoken true, so stop the AM propaganda wagon thereą
I hope everyone recognises that from all parties hurt here, Luance and others like him (including me) have been hurt deeply. Our words are being spoken and they are used by to many to lightlyą I hope some feel ashamed about the course the communications have taken.
To Malthros: You stay a smelly Caldari that works for CAIN, but I respect your wisdom and understanding that you have shown lately. Though not always correct there are many on Galnet that should take you as an example.
To the part where you mentioned UĘK; I hardly recall ties with the UĘK unless you mean the cross-fire between Coreli and the UĘK when Coreli was fighting a war versus smugglers? This is not about the UĘK, this is about forcing to give up all connections with the Matari people in general.
I can confirm that the State is supporting Slavery. Many Gallente have been given out missions where in our space the Amarr have set up large slave compounds that are being guarded by both Caldari and Amarr navy forces. As you are working for the Caldari Navy you are not aware of this. Being a Caldari does not make you a slaver though only if you work for and support the State you are contributing to slavery.
I couldnĘt care less about that now though. In my time how often did I see support from the Minmatar and how often was it given? The Federation is putting resources in an everlasting election that should be used for its citizens.
IĘm a pod pilot I will survive, how often did I not go into battle getting blown up loosing countless of crewman? who am I to judge? I no longer have the spirit to judge 'courses' being taken.
In the end we al fight for power and wealthą
((I hope CCP can make a news post about current developments soonÖ, would be nice to know more about the Caldari-Amarr alliance my agents keep ranting on about.))
//No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\ |
Maggot
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:03:00 -
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Mather Maelstrom, please tell me which UK member said Caldari are all supporters of slavery
Given we have many caldari in our ranks I find that highly unlikely.
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:13:00 -
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Well, there was that time you attacked CAIN. That kinda sours relationships.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:21:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 09/01/2006 23:26:08
Maggot I am replying to Malthros who said:
ōGranted, being part of the same alliance is a better connection than some of the "well you're caldari, you're allies with the amarr so you must support slavery" bull I've heard from some U'K members.ö
You are mistaken by who is saying what I am afraid. In fact my comments on that part only seem to be in your favor if his claims are true.
My only dispute with the UĘK is that during the war versus smugglers the UĘK have engaged Coreli forces, that at that time still served the Gallente Federation.
I myself always believed in good bonds between the two were possible, as such I showed up at your Protest against the Republic concerning the Insorum Prototype. I like to add I was one of only ętwoĘ from Coreli that showed you that respect and clearly that has already been forgotten.
//No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\ |
Justicia Universi
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:35:00 -
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Congratulations to Aegis Militia, I am sure your attempts to destroy a Gallante Based RP Alliance will make you look like champions to your peers. I am sure the other Amarran RP Corp/ Alliances like CVA, 1PG, PIE and ISGD will wonder in awe at your brave Alliance with your actions in Gallante space. How tales of your courage and bravery will be told by generations of Amarrans to come. The Matari tremble at your prowess and skill destroying Tristans and new pilots with such hardened veterans. I salute you...
Hard days lay ahead for Cyrene but we will endure and those whom are left will only be that much more committed to the cause.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:41:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Maggot on 09/01/2006 23:42:56
Mather Maelstrom, many apologies, I addressed the wrong person, I have amended my question.
Too much pod duty has made my eyes tired. Time for a few hours rest I think.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2006.01.09 23:48:00 -
[56]
I understand and already assumed it was most likely a mistake. No harm is done.
((for all readers please ignore the post from Justicia I can see that it is ooc, but the whole thing is quite an emotional thing and emotions get in the way of rationality. I have already contacted her with an eve-mail that if she wishes to express anti AM feelings it is better done IC to avoid further trash talk))
//No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\ |
Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.01.10 00:39:00 -
[57]
To those Gallente who remain in the Cyrene Initiative, and now face the superior forces of the Aegis Milita, I express my condolences. I wish upon you the ability to grow a spine, and put up a good fight. There are few things less worthy than slaughtering a foe that won't even fight back. At least die on your feet, and not running and hiding in a hole, until that hole is made your grave.
As far as the Coreli go, they are beneath contempt. They have betrayed their blood, and their Federation. One who turns his back on his homeland is shamed. On who does so on the eve of war, is vile to the extreme. You made promises to your people, and walked away. Coreli will forever be listed as unreliable, and even worse, unemployable.
The Coreli epitomize the obvious result of egalitarianism. In your quest for equality, you have instilled the values of self-preservation over the duty to your homeland. Every man for himself, and not one for another. Like escape pods leaving a flaming ship, all of you fold when asked to put your own interests aside for the good of your Federation.
In the end, I offer up the best wishes of a Patriot to the Aegis Militia. May your victory be swift, complete, and permanent. And may you find at least one foe in the Cyrene Initiative that is worthy of an honorable death.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.01.10 02:45:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Karl Mattar
To those Gallente who remain in the Cyrene Initiative, and now face the superior forces of the Aegis Milita, I express my condolences. I wish upon you the ability to grow a spine, and put up a good fight. There are few things less worthy than slaughtering a foe that won't even fight back. At least die on your feet, and not running and hiding in a hole, until that hole is made your grave.
As far as the Coreli go, they are beneath contempt. They have betrayed their blood, and their Federation. One who turns his back on his homeland is shamed. On who does so on the eve of war, is vile to the extreme. You made promises to your people, and walked away. Coreli will forever be listed as unreliable, and even worse, unemployable.
The Coreli epitomize the obvious result of egalitarianism. In your quest for equality, you have instilled the values of self-preservation over the duty to your homeland. Every man for himself, and not one for another. Like escape pods leaving a flaming ship, all of you fold when asked to put your own interests aside for the good of your Federation.
In the end, I offer up the best wishes of a Patriot to the Aegis Militia. May your victory be swift, complete, and permanent. And may you find at least one foe in the Cyrene Initiative that is worthy of an honorable death.
Very well said, and I second the notion.
Good luck to AM, although I'm sure you won't need it.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 03:31:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Maggot
Your anti U'K stance does make me wonder though if in fact you do support slavery.
You being terrorists and petty thieves who have stolen from the State in no way makes me support slavery. You attacking companies simply because they deal with slavers, or those attempting to recover property which is rightfully theirs, is another story.
I do however, not support your terrorist organization. If you think that not supporting the U'K means supporting slavery, then you are a sad little man, but luckily, I know you don't actually have views which are that skewed... right?
Originally by: Oveur
I am not interested in "the lottery sucks" or "more tech 2 blueprints" since that is pretty much stating the obvious.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.10 05:00:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 10/01/2006 05:02:36
Originally by: Mather Maelstrom
To the part where you mentioned UĘK; I hardly recall ties with the UĘK unless you mean the cross-fire between Coreli and the UĘK when Coreli was fighting a war versus smugglers? This is not about the UĘK, this is about forcing to give up all connections with the Matari people in general.
quite untrue we said you must have no ties to Minmatar Terrorists. Minmatar Terrorist do NOT comprise the sum total of my people. You can fight Terrorism and still communication, trade and such with Minmatar peoples. How insulting you automatically assume every Minmatar is a stinking Terrorist.
Originally by: Karl Mattar
In the end, I offer up the best wishes of a Patriot to the Aegis Militia. May your victory be swift, complete, and permanent. And may you find at least one foe in the Cyrene Initiative that is worthy of an honorable death.
this has already happened, today. there are worthy members among Cyrene, worthy to be Reclaimed into the Empire for their valor. For that i salute them. please don't take the com-silence personaly, we don't chatter in local.
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Dev Larren
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Posted - 2006.01.10 07:52:00 -
[61]
I have never understood Gallente politics and the example of Coreli corp leaping from a pro-Federation loyalist paramilitary organisation to supporters of an anti-Federation pirate group seems to just confirm my worst prejudices.
However I do feel a certain sympathy to the pilots of Coreli who have been betrayed by some of their leadership. Although we may be ideological enemies I have respect for those who make the choice to serve their people and I am sorry to see that dedication betrayed.
(On an aside: For those who fear that this trend of completely betraying principles and governments in favour of pirate organisations might spread, please note that my personal standings with the Guristas is suitably unpleasant.)
Commanding Officer
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TFer Atvar
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:05:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Dev Larren
However I do feel a certain sympathy to the pilots of Coreli who have been betrayed by some of their leadership. Although we may be ideological enemies I have respect for those who make the choice to serve their people and I am sorry to see that dedication betrayed.
Well, we're not going to sit around feeling sorry for ourselves. Not every member of Coreli went along with those nefarious plans to betray the Federation. Not by a long shot. To that end, we who have remained loyal have created Gallente Venture, Inc. We feel that until we get our feet under us, the best way we can support Cyrene and the Federation is industrially. We're not going to give up just because we've been betrayed. The Federation and we will live on.
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Dev Larren
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:39:00 -
[63]
Originally by: TFer Atvar
Originally by: Dev Larren
However I do feel a certain sympathy to the pilots of Coreli who have been betrayed by some of their leadership. Although we may be ideological enemies I have respect for those who make the choice to serve their people and I am sorry to see that dedication betrayed.
Well, we're not going to sit around feeling sorry for ourselves. Not every member of Coreli went along with those nefarious plans to betray the Federation. Not by a long shot. To that end, we who have remained loyal have created Gallente Venture, Inc. We feel that until we get our feet under us, the best way we can support Cyrene and the Federation is industrially. We're not going to give up just because we've been betrayed. The Federation and we will live on.
Then I salute those of you that have stood by your principles and your first and most sacred loyalty to your nation. That may cause you to one day be our enemy given the history and politics between our communities but in such circumstances you would be an honoured foe worthy of respect unlike the unprincipalled scum that have abandoned you.
Commanding Officer
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Lijah Valencourt
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:00:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Lijah Valencourt on 11/01/2006 01:00:38
Principles, morals....two words for weakness. If a committed pacifist has the power to stop the murder of an innocent by breaking his principles, would that be seen as acceptable? Of course it would-and that is hypocrisy.
We that have stayed with Coreli have shed our self delusions that the Federation is somehow "noble", or "pure". We have instead opened our eyes to the truth of the universe-principles are created by those that need an excuse for not being able to do what needs to be done, or what deep down, they yearn to do. We are in pursuit of freedom, and wealth. Who is anyone to say that this is a lesser goal than "The Reclaiming", or the aims of "freedom fighters"?
Everyone needs to look inside themselves and ask themselves: why do I follow these rules, these laws? Do I believe in them? Do they help me to grow as a human being? Or are they enforced upon me? Given total freedom, would I be seen by others as "evil"? I greatly doubt that anyone of you is as pure as you'd like to believe.
Lastly, many see Coreli's departure from Cyrene as cowardice, despite it having been underway far in advance of the Aegis Militia war. I'll leave you with one last question. Does it take courage to leave everything behind, KNOWING that your peers in the pilot community will despise you for it, shouting coward and traitor?
Again, I suspect you won't accept the answer, but I feel the need to try.
I have said my piece-make of it what you will.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lijah Valencourt
why do I follow these rules, these laws?
Because I choose to
Originally by: Lijah Valencourt
Do I believe in them?
Yes
Originally by: Lijah Valencourt
Do they help me to grow as a human being?
Yes
Originally by: Lijah Valencourt
Or are they enforced upon me?
See my first answer
Originally by: Lijah Valencourt
Given total freedom, would I be seen by others as "evil"?
I have total freedom. I just choose not to use it to hurt innocents. I am not a pathetic weakling acting up whatever childish behaviour I fancy this week.
Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel.
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Drew Peacock
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:11:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Lijah Valencourt
I have said my piece-make of it what you will.
I read it as bull****.
So "what needs to be done" is to work for a criminal organisation that causes untold misery. You need to open your eyes to the nature of your new employer. You will not gain the freedom you so desire working for organised crime. And the dirty money you get will be built upon the misery of drug addicts, prostitutes and all the other victims of crime.
To answer your questions:
why do I follow these rules, these laws?
Because to stay in any group of people you have to follow the rules. For example, you wanted to stay with Coreli, so you had to follow your boss to Curse.
Do I believe in them?
In the whole, yes. Obviously there a some that could be better and some that I don't think are needed.
Do they help me to grow as a human being?
They provide a firm foundation upon which I can grow.
Or are they enforced upon me?
Same question as your first.
Given total freedom, would I be seen by others as "evil"?
I hope not, I would hope that in any of my decisions I make the universe a better place for someone.
Do not judge everyone by your own low standards. I do not accuse you of cowardice, I accuse you of greed and stupidity.
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Syric Amarust
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
this has already happened, today. there are worthy members among Cyrene, worthy to be Reclaimed into the Empire for their valor. For that i salute them. please don't take the com-silence personaly, we don't chatter in local.
Tomahawk Bliss, I salute you as a fighter. Perhaps if we ever are on the opposite side of the battlefield again, the outcome will be different, but who am I to complain about the loss of a ship. It is a risk that pod pilots take anytime they leave a station, it only saddens me that I was not able to take anyone with me.
As to this war, I think it is obvious that Cyrene is in no position to face off head to head Aegis Melitia, and we most likely will not do it. If we catch someone without there guard up, then maybe, but otherwise, you are going to have to fight just to catch us. I wish you luck in the upcoming days of war and hope you see this war in the end as the pointless battle, that I see now.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.12 00:00:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Syric Amarust
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
this has already happened, today. there are worthy members among Cyrene, worthy to be Reclaimed into the Empire for their valor. For that i salute them. please don't take the com-silence personaly, we don't chatter in local.
Tomahawk Bliss, I salute you as a fighter. Perhaps if we ever are on the opposite side of the battlefield again, the outcome will be different, but who am I to complain about the loss of a ship. It is a risk that pod pilots take anytime they leave a station, it only saddens me that I was not able to take anyone with me.
As to this war, I think it is obvious that Cyrene is in no position to face off head to head Aegis Melitia, and we most likely will not do it. If we catch someone without there guard up, then maybe, but otherwise, you are going to have to fight just to catch us. I wish you luck in the upcoming days of war and hope you see this war in the end as the pointless battle, that I see now.
that is always the wrong path. how will you gain more pilots if you hide? how will you learn warfare if you do not fight? what will become of your reputation?
you should try to stab my stomach with one of those Brutix horns, not keep it docked in a station. Make me bleed and burn and die, don't give me supremacy of Gallente space. You are a good pilot, many of those of you who are out there are capable.
for the conflict thus far i return the salute. I have respect for many Cyrene pilots, less for certain Cyrene leaders, and i urge you to either keep fighting or accept our terms. if you run, we will still chase you and you will lsoe ships. if you fight you will take some of us down with you in that glorius melee of war i was born for.
why we can even offer you protection and assitance should relation become good again.
besdies you can't possibly stand for the Federation as paramilitary forces while running. what of the Placid region? we would certainly have no issue helping you make that region safer, if you accept terms. We support our Intaki allies just as our Caldari, Khanid and Amatar allies.
we could do wonderful explosive things together.
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Syric Amarust
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Posted - 2006.01.12 00:16:00 -
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Tomahawk Bliss, I respect your combat experience as beyond mine, but the issue still stands, that I can not sell someone as a slave. I have no issue with the amarr empire or the meatmarket, but I can not sell slaves. It is not a matter of pride, that I won't back out of a fight, its a matter of principle.
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Bizazedo
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Posted - 2006.01.12 00:50:00 -
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Do not try and reason with the heathen, Tomahawk. If they do not capitulate, they will burn. Weeks will turn into months, months into years, and still the fleets of the Lord will appear in the black, bringing judgement upon the nonbelievers.
They believe they can outlast us. They are wrong, of course.
The servants of God are unrelenting and know that sinners need no sympathy....
....nor mercy.
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Kular
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Posted - 2006.01.12 01:04:00 -
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You are correct in one aspect Mr. Amarust, Cyrene cannot match up against AM, as we are chosen by god to serve his purpose. I agree this war should end shortly, but you are wrong on how. There is no point in destroying a people as intelligent as yours when you could just as easily be reclaimed and brought into our fold.
Surrender the war, rennouce allegiances to anti-slavery elements and terrorists of Amarr and embrace a brighter future as believers. You think joining the Amarr denies yourself personal freedom and liberty? It opens your eyes to more freedom than you could ever imagine struggling on your own in the cold of space.
Meet the demands, repent of your sins, and perhaps there would even be a place for you to serve God, by serving AM someday as well!
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Syric Amarust
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Posted - 2006.01.12 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Syric Amarust on 12/01/2006 02:29:32
((Im sorry but maybe we have different ideas of the word Reclaim. I want to clear it up before I try to continue my role. I thought reclaimed is a word used for the taking back of an item that is yours. You are telling me that I am to be reclaimed as if I am an item. The only thing I can take from that is that you plan to make me into a slave.))
It is possible that we may leave these dreadfull battlegrounds somewhat unscathed, but I will never go back into slavery. I do not wish a position under your GOD, or any other persons. I will not be fighting alongside AM because we agree on different things, and hold to different principles.
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Aegis Stormborn
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Posted - 2006.01.12 03:38:00 -
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Syric,
I see and can understand your confusion. To be honest, The Reclaim would probably not be for you or yours, though it may be something we fervently wish. However, the terms are not provided in that you be Reclaimed. The terms are not even outlined that you become subject to Amarr or to an Amarrian Paramilitary force.
The terms are simply mandated as such that you continue to enjoy your freedoms as you see fit, but we depart knowing that you will never side with the dangerous terrorist that plague Empire space. Your trading slaves with AM IN EMPIRE space ensures that you will not violate the rules that govern your Federation and further stipulates that, yes, though you may find slavery deplorable - it is a standard of currency that is very much a part of Amarr trading and you will be immediately disavowed as a supporter of any violent terrorist groups. Further, it recognizes your claims that you seek a peaceful end to this combative state we find ourselves in after the aftermath of the Coreli's betrayal of The Cyrene Initiative and their admitted acts of terror designed for the Amarr Empire.
We do not wish to subjugate you or your brave pilots. On the contrary - we wish you to stand on your own rights and as Mr. Bliss suggests, even with our support (should you ever call upon it). Knowing that The Cyrene Initiative will never side, nor support the violent terrorists that continue to violate every pact and treaty outlined for peace opens the door to peace between our two governments and this and this only - is what we seek.
Should you desire any further clarifications - as I know many that will seek to muddy the waters I seek to clarify - please do not hesitate to seek further understanding of any officer of Aegis Militia.
To your future and to our peace...
Aegis Stormborn
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Justicia Universi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 07:17:00 -
[74]
The conditions which AM demands goes against our deepest principles...handing over innocent Federation citizens and Minmatar refugees to the a life of Slavery is an act that will not be done as they are the very same people which the Cyrene Initiative has sworn to protect. We gladly suffer and willingly die to protect the innocent.
Territory can be lost, ships can be destroyed and money can be spent but ideals and princples cannot be so easily given for without these intrinsic beliefs the Cyrene Initiave would mean nothing.
The defenders of the Federation will stand fast. Dark times have come upon the Cyrene Initiative but it is in our darkest hour that the brightest spark shall ignite a firestorm and like the Phoenix we too shall rise from the ashes and we shall overcome.
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Aran Cole
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Posted - 2006.01.12 07:32:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Aran Cole on 12/01/2006 07:35:11
Edited by: Aran Cole on 12/01/2006 07:33:54
Originally by: Justicia Universi
The conditions which AM demands goes against our deepest principles...handing over innocent Federation citizens and Minmatar refugees to the a life of Slavery is an act that will not be done as they are the very same people which the Cyrene Initiative has sworn to protect. We gladly suffer and willingly die to protect the innocent.
Territory can be lost, ships can be destroyed and money can be spent but ideals and princples cannot be so easily given for without these intrinsic beliefs the Cyrene Initiave would mean nothing.
The defenders of the Federation will stand fast. Dark times have come upon the Cyrene Initiative but it is in our darkest hour that the brightest spark shall ignite a firestorm and like the Phoenix we too shall rise from the ashes and we shall overcome.
You seem to be confused. We aren't asking you to sell anyone into slavery who is not already a slave. We're asking that you purchase (legally) slaves in the Amarr Empire and then sell them to us for a 10% profit. Enslaving anybody is not part of the terms.
EDIT: And we're not too particular about the stock, although I imagine it will be of Minmatar and Ealur origin.
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Temekin Sajek
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Posted - 2006.01.12 07:55:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Aran Cole
Edited by: Aran Cole on 12/01/2006 07:35:11
Edited by: Aran Cole on 12/01/2006 07:33:54
Originally by: Justicia Universi
The conditions which AM demands goes against our deepest principles...handing over innocent Federation citizens and Minmatar refugees to the a life of Slavery is an act that will not be done as they are the very same people which the Cyrene Initiative has sworn to protect. We gladly suffer and willingly die to protect the innocent.
Territory can be lost, ships can be destroyed and money can be spent but ideals and princples cannot be so easily given for without these intrinsic beliefs the Cyrene Initiave would mean nothing.
The defenders of the Federation will stand fast. Dark times have come upon the Cyrene Initiative but it is in our darkest hour that the brightest spark shall ignite a firestorm and like the Phoenix we too shall rise from the ashes and we shall overcome.
You seem to be confused. We aren't asking you to sell anyone into slavery who is not already a slave. We're asking that you purchase (legally) slaves in the Amarr Empire and then sell them to us for a 10% profit. Enslaving anybody is not part of the terms.
EDIT: And we're not too particular about the stock, although I imagine it will be of Minmatar and Ealur origin.
Semantics... Once 'purchased' and in our care, those individuals would cease to be slaves, so reselling them would effectivally be selling them into slavery. We're not going to be answering your arrogant demands. Enjoy your stay in the Federation.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.12 08:44:00 -
[77]
Half asleep, he wipes his forehead with his hand, and looks up at the stacks of paperwork and documentation he has spent the past 18 hours working on. He files them in his office, and turns to his comm screen, which has been left on during his work...
While it seems that the AM demand of Cyrene selling them slaves is a symbolic one to show they are willing to be 'reclaimed', it is good to see they stand by their principles, unless their former leader, who is now dancing as his new master plays witt the puppet strings.
I think it's futile for you two to continue discussion on the matter. AM's demands for cyrene isn't practical as it would make them, a patriotic organization, enemies of their own Federation. It would be tantamount to CAIN selling small arms or some other illegal commodity to someone.
A shame that you'll both continue a fight when you both have mentioned wanting similiar goals. Perhaps using one of those goals would be a better alternative? AM would very likely become the hero to billions if they were to follow through with helping out the Placid region, plus it'd show that even outsiders care more for the Intaki people than their own government...
Still, it seems this fight won't end. I can't possibly imagine Cyrene would sell them slaves, not now. Not after losing the Coreli scum. That bunch would've sold them in an instant.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Temekin Sajek
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Posted - 2006.01.12 14:18:00 -
[78]
You dont know how right you are Malthros. Thankyou for the continued input.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.12 14:30:00 -
[79]
Maybe I am the eternal optimist, but it seems to me that this war has done the Federation a great service, by separating those that are willing to stand by their ideals and not cave in to pressure from those that just go where the wind blows.
Best of luck to the Cyrene Initiative.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:18:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 12/01/2006 15:19:42
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
AM's demands for cyrene isn't practical as it would make them, a patriotic organization, enemies of their own Federation.
I can't actually beleive that Cyrene leadership is pro-federation. they are in bed with Jericho Fraction, a group who openly claims to seek the end of all empires and governments.
Coreli was in Cyrene and they were merely Serpentis lovers hiding behind the skirt of the Federation while it was convient. Cyrene has been sighted cavorting with Jericho and so to many of us have shown their true color to be the black of decite.
the Cyrene leadership also seem to be like Coreli, all goodly talk up front but when you get down to it that is all just a cover for doing anything that tickles their fancy.
all their talk amongst the forums makes for no impact in space, chatter all you like.
The truth is slowly coming to light as the vessles of Cyrene are broken and exsposed to the cold, harsh, airless night by the burning rightiousness of the Reclaiming.
be Reclaimed
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Sine Tamar
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:33:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Sine Tamar on 12/01/2006 15:35:35
Edited by: Sine Tamar on 12/01/2006 15:34:54
Aran: what you can't understand is that, would a slave's life be put in my hands but for an instant, If I would learn his name or see his face, I would fight a thousand battles and die a hundred deaths to save him from a life of slavery: I would gladly fight and die for every one of the thousand slaves you demand!
The only life I could ever give to slavery would necesarily be my own, I could not even send my enemies to such a fate, I would strike them down, out of mercy, before doing so, and I know you can't possibly understand that...
I do not pretend to have any say in what you do, if you choose to be slavers or no isn't my buisness, and I have no quarrel with you, and I have never, and will never, support terrorism in any form, but I won't discard the very principles I live for, death would be a fate a thousand time kinder.
So I will continue to fight, even impossibly outmatched, and this war will rage until these demands are changed, or one of our armies buckles and collapses.
It is a sad situation, peace seems so easy, so desireable, to both our sides, and your demands for slaves, though trivial as it may seem to you, makes it impossible...
See you in space
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:46:00 -
[82]
As the attack on PIE/ISGD/1PG forces a while ago seems to be part of the reasons for this war I'd like to add some insights into that incident:
We were escorting a Nutura shipment after an Amarrian citizen had asked for our assistance in this matter when we were attacked by Coreli forces. In fact it was a personal vendetta against 1PG as we had, some weeks earlier, escorted a Coreli member to the border who had been missing for severall weeks. Coreli apparently thought or thinks (unfounded accusations for which no proof exists) that we abducted said Gallentean and things got a bit... messy at the border.
For reasons not perfectly clear to me Coreli thought that Nutura shipment was a 1PG shipment. The sister of the 'abducted' (probably he lay in a gutter drunk or drugged) Gallentean was also part of their little force and demanded insight into what we had done with her brother (escorted him obviously). Things got a bit... messy again - this time for Coreli and Nurtura.
With that the matter was settled for us for the time being. For as long as Cyrene/Coreli stay out of the Empire and our way they are current÷y not worth the hassle, especially with our real enemy, the Ushra'Khan, amassing forces in Providence, Devoid and the The Bleak Lands.
I hope that sheds some light on the background.
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Luance DeAngeluotti
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Posted - 2006.01.12 17:50:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
I can't actually beleive that Cyrene leadership is pro-federation. they are in bed with Jericho Fraction, a group who openly claims to seek the end of all empires and governments.
That is rubbish.
As ex-Vice-Senator of The Cyrene Initiative I massively deny any such accusations.
Jericho Fraction are a bunch of airheads that they think the human race is really able to live without governments, borders or empires.
That is obviously a deranged sight of the world and the reality. Without the Gallente Federation the Amarr would most probably rule the whole known galaxy.
And we all can see that this is surely no way of life for a person with decent taste.
So no, The Cyrene leadership has never been in bed with JF, unless it started only a few days ago?
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Luance DeAngeluotti
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Posted - 2006.01.12 17:53:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tharrn
The sister of the 'abducted' (probably he lay in a gutter drunk or drugged) Gallentean was also part of their little force and demanded insight into what we had done with her brother (escorted him obviously).
What you forget to mention, Amarr, is that I was this individual. And that my sister was killed in the incident and she was lost to me due to a clone failure.
Since you still have her body and refuse to hand it out, so I can give her a proper burial, I have declared war on your puny 'Guard'.
I will fight you until I have her back....
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Aran Cole
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Posted - 2006.01.12 18:27:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Aran Cole on 12/01/2006 18:27:19
Originally by: Sine Tamar
Edited by: Sine Tamar on 12/01/2006 15:35:35
Edited by: Sine Tamar on 12/01/2006 15:34:54
Aran: what you can't understand is that, would a slave's life be put in my hands but for an instant, If I would learn his name or see his face, I would fight a thousand battles and die a hundred deaths to save him from a life of slavery: I would gladly fight and die for every one of the thousand slaves you demand!
The only life I could ever give to slavery would necesarily be my own, I could not even send my enemies to such a fate, I would strike them down, out of mercy, before doing so, and I know you can't possibly understand that...
I do not pretend to have any say in what you do, if you choose to be slavers or no isn't my buisness, and I have no quarrel with you, and I have never, and will never, support terrorism in any form, but I won't discard the very principles I live for, death would be a fate a thousand time kinder.
So I will continue to fight, even impossibly outmatched, and this war will rage until these demands are changed, or one of our armies buckles and collapses.
It is a sad situation, peace seems so easy, so desireable, to both our sides, and your demands for slaves, though trivial as it may seem to you, makes it impossible...
See you in space
That you stoke the fires of your own funeral pyre, Miss Tamar, is of no matter to me. The Cyrene Initiative will agree to our terms or it will burn. Of course, there's always the Bashi Bazouk Jemaat for those that would prefer to devote their lives to God and the Reclaiming instead of perishing with the Initiative.
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Gazon
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Posted - 2006.01.12 19:47:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Luance DeAngeluotti
Originally by: Tharrn
The sister of the 'abducted' (probably he lay in a gutter drunk or drugged) Gallentean was also part of their little force and demanded insight into what we had done with her brother (escorted him obviously).
What you forget to mention, Amarr, is that I was this individual. And that my sister was killed in the incident and she was lost to me due to a clone failure.
Since you still have her body and refuse to hand it out, so I can give her a proper burial, I have declared war on your puny 'Guard'.
I will fight you until I have her back....
*Gazon raises an eyebrow*
Interesting. You will see that it is futile to attack the Empire and its servants. Soon enough your body will be floating in space as did your sister's.
*Gazon pauses for a moment*
Indeed, I would like to point your attention towards this message. You will find it most illuminating and I hope the matter will be settled by this gesture.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.12 20:04:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 12/01/2006 20:04:56
Originally by: Luance DeAngeluotti
Jericho Fraction are a bunch of airheads that they think the human race is really able to live without governments, borders or empires.
*thumbs up*
Originally by: Luance DeAngeluotti
So no, The Cyrene leadership has never been in bed with JF, unless it started only a few days ago?
gfg is anyway, many were in Star Fraction in the corp freelance council and they spend time with JF in the -gfg- channel as in other areas as well. I caught them bad mouthing in the -gfg- channel the other day, nasty little buggers.
i might have been a tad harsh, we are reviewing the situtation now.
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Crausaum
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Posted - 2006.01.12 20:13:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Luance DeAngeluotti
So no, The Cyrene leadership has never been in bed with JF, unless it started only a few days ago?
Nothing has changed. I don't have any dealings with Jericho Fraction and until they were mentioned here I had kind of forgotten they even existed.
I'm not sure where all this junk about me being in bed with Jericho Fraction even came from to be perfectly honest.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.12 20:16:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Crausaum
Originally by: Luance DeAngeluotti
So no, The Cyrene leadership has never been in bed with JF, unless it started only a few days ago?
Nothing has changed. I don't have any dealings with Jericho Fraction and until they were mentioned here I had kind of forgotten they even existed.
I'm not sure where all this junk about me being in bed with Jericho Fraction even came from to be perfectly honest.
it seems it was gfg, not ixion. so you aren't tained. we are reviewing employment history currently. Star Fraction connections and all that.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 21:41:00 -
[90]
You're probably talking about me. While I don't normally care about Federation issues much, the sheer "Huff-vs-Eve-U" imbalance of the conflict sparked my interest. After meeting a few of the folks in GFG, I decided that I liked them better than I like you, so I offered to give them a little training. This wasn't Jericho Fraction assistance, it was merely me helping out some people.
Of course you can read what you want into this. "Ohmigod! Cyrene are working with Jericho Fraction! It's all a big conspiracy-a-go-go! We must stop this infestation before the universe itself explodes into giant paisley horror!"
Trit foil hats available on request.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.12 22:48:00 -
[91]
deny as you will i saw the channel, i looked at employment i know the truth, everything you say is just "blah blah blah" and no it wasn't you in that channel my dear
why do you even care? if it is untrue simply blow me off and stop havng your people mail me while i'm in space camping enemies.
cyrene went from over 120 to 20 in a week, all your complaints and JF blather didn't help them one bit.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 22:54:00 -
[92]
Why do I care? I dunno. You make me chuckle, 's all...
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.12 22:57:00 -
[93]
You are probably talking about Nooey, Tomahawk, who was in FLNC with them, as was I.
Oh wait a minute! I am in there too! Therefore the GLS must also be in on it! It's a triple fudge conspiracy!
Seriously... hanging out in the public channels of old friends does not mean official cooperation. If that was the case the entire pod pilot comunity would be in one gugabtic conspiracy. You are simply wrong.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 23:01:00 -
[94]
But... but... Aren't we all in a giant conspiracy?
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.12 23:06:00 -
[95]
We are?
Nobody tells me anything any more 
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.01.12 23:52:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
...stop having your people mail me while i'm in space camping enemies...
((That mail was regarding the constant referencing of OOC events and material in an IC forum. And YET AGAIN you reference them, referencing the very act of me trying to reach you about this constant OOC crap - which has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING In-Character.
Consider yourself petitioned, moron.))
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Ashkin
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Posted - 2006.01.12 23:53:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Crausaum
And on a final note could someone please tell what Aegis Militia pilots mean when they say they are going to "Reclaim" me?
I am aware of the historical Reclaiming of the Amarr empire but I have been unable to find how these pilots would do such a thing to me. Perhaps I am just overlooking the required forms my local Concord station? Until such time as I can be sure of their intentions I shall simply instruct my pod's translation software to translate it to "Yarrr! We're going to BBQ you!!1" as this seems to much more in standing with the thought the AM pilots are trying to convey.
I feel I must underline what to me personally the reclaiming is about, and why I and other non-Amarrians join the cause.
AM are certainly not the slaver-pirates you make us out to be. I can forgive you for thinking this as when I first discovered this organisation I felt the same way, until the purpose of the reclaiming was explained to me.
We do enslave our enemies when we can yes, but this is only the first step. We enslave because it is the only method that most races will understand, I personally believe that Diplomacy with words can only do so much.
I felt I would have to be evil to want to bring about the slavery of my own race, until I found out what happens after these slaves see the light of God. Once the enslaved races pledge themselves to the Holy Amarr Empire, they are free. Just like the NiĘKunni and the Udorians before them.
The reclaiming is about uniting all of the races under one banner, with the aim of eventually achieving galactic peace, not killing virtually defenceless enemies needlessly.
Butchering the defenceless is not something I enjoy, if I did like doing so then I would have joined a pirate corporation. Even against you Gallente, my racial enemies since birth, I find no honour in the slaughter that took place against you.
However you must see that we could not stop, you were associating with terrorists, and this is the price of your actions as an alliance. It would have been against our purpose and would have been a sign of weakness to stop our attacks against you out of pity for your situation, and the more you took this as a joke and offended us, the harder upon you we became.
The same will be true for anyone associating with terrorists, be it the UĘK or otherwise. Your sins will not go unpunished.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.13 00:04:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Ashkin
We do enslave our enemies when we can yes, but this is only the first step. We enslave because it is the only method that most races will understand, I personally believe that Diplomacy with words can only do so much.
I felt I would have to be evil to want to bring about the slavery of my own race, until I found out what happens after these slaves see the light of God. Once the enslaved races pledge themselves to the Holy Amarr Empire, they are free. Just like the NiĘKunni and the Udorians before them.
Thank for for making all that very clear, and especially the part about the enslaving of the Caldari too. I will be quoting that little jewel for a long long time 
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.13 00:21:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Nooey
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
...stop having your people mail me while i'm in space camping enemies...
((That mail was regarding the constant referencing of OOC events and material in an IC forum. And YET AGAIN you reference them, referencing the very act of me trying to reach you about this constant OOC crap - which has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING In-Character.
Consider yourself petitioned, moron.))
ooc? what is this? what brain damage have suffered?
Everything i have seen was _seen_ by my minmatar eyes and have thus commented on it. the change in corps from cyrene members, the channel occupants, the employment history. what is your malfunction Mr. Nooey?
next time you eve mail with threats and all caps while you sputter on your interface you can expect to be blocked. Threats that are not back-ed up aren't realy threats now are they?
the question then become why are you all trying so hard to cover any connection? you are all taking this to a weird place. What possibly can be so important about whether there is a connection to GFG/Cyrene?
it is all very odd. I insult you about your views and challenge your idiotic ideals and you don't go ballistic. I point out connections to Cyrene corps and members and you harass me in space and spam the forums. Get a clue, you arenĘt important in this except as a foul note to pro-federation groups. You offered no ships, you did nothing to help the now broken Cyrene alliance. What good are you?
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Bastables
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Posted - 2006.01.13 00:23:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Ashkin
We do enslave our enemies when we can yes, but this is only the first step. We enslave because it is the only method that most races will understand, I personally believe that Diplomacy with words can only do so much.
I felt I would have to be evil to want to bring about the slavery of my own race, until I found out what happens after these slaves see the light of God. Once the enslaved races pledge themselves to the Holy Amarr Empire, they are free. Just like the NiĘKunni and the Udorians before them.
Thank for for making all that very clear, and especially the part about the enslaving of the Caldari too. I will be quoting that little jewel for a long long time
Oh no...
Not
Gallante gossip...
Will you simper as well?
Be reclaimed, and be loved
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.13 00:23:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Shemar
Thank for for making all that very clear, and especially the part about the enslaving of the Caldari too. I will be quoting that little jewel for a long long time
it was his personal view, i expect you to add that when you try to use that in your forum wars, sugar.
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Posted - 2006.01.13 00:45:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Josiah Bartlett on 13/01/2006 00:45:30
Luance,
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.13 02:29:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Shemar
Thank for for making all that very clear, and especially the part about the enslaving of the Caldari too. I will be quoting that little jewel for a long long time
it was his personal view, i expect you to add that when you try to use that in your forum wars, sugar.
So lets get your view, or maybe even an official AM view:
What exactly is the treatment that those who think the Amarr religion is a man made instrument of control or at the very least a silly supertition, can expect?
What about if it is your own allies that think that?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.01.13 02:36:00 -
[104]
Please wardec Jericho Fraction Tomahawk Bliss. That is all.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.13 02:42:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Please wardec Jericho Fraction Tomahawk Bliss. That is all.
promise not to hide in x7 this time. that is all.
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Syric Amarust
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Posted - 2006.01.13 02:48:00 -
[106]
Come now people. What is reason behind all of these threats and insults? What do they accomplish? It is your actions that precede you notyour words. As to the now broken Cyrene. Yes, we are much smaller now, but to say that we are broken would be to assume that we are about to collapse. Unless you know something I don't, the Cyrene initiative though vastly depleted, will live on.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.13 02:52:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Syric Amarust
Come now people. What is reason behind all of these threats and insults? What do they accomplish? It is your actions that precede you notyour words. As to the now broken Cyrene. Yes, we are much smaller now, but to say that we are broken would be to assume that we are about to collapse. Unless you know something I don't, the Cyrene initiative though vastly depleted, will live on.
good man, that is the spirit!
i applaud your resolve.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.01.13 03:03:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Please wardec Jericho Fraction Tomahawk Bliss. That is all.
promise not to hide in x7 this time. that is all.
"this time"? You mean you wardecced us before and I missed it? Sheesh thats what going on holiday planetside will do to a person. What happened in the war?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.13 04:18:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Please wardec Jericho Fraction Tomahawk Bliss. That is all.
promise not to hide in x7 this time. that is all.
It's where most of JF *live*. Heh.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Syric Amarust
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Posted - 2006.01.13 04:43:00 -
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Obviously AM, you have beef with Jerico Faction. We, whats left of Cyrne have said already that we are not connected to the faction, therefore threats to the faction on a board supposedly addressing the "crimes" of the Cyrene Initiative should be about the Cyren Initiative.
The fact that Jerico and GFG at some time co mingled no longer is of any importance since GFG like Coreli is no longer tied within the Alliance.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2006.01.13 04:45:00 -
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Edited by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 13/01/2006 04:45:34
I think he's referring to that time in that other world...
*cue twilight zone theme*
The only AM member I can recall seeing in X-7O was Graelyn (who - hats off - flies a mean Omen and mixes a tasty coquetail), who came for a Omens-n-Stabbers contest we ran a while ago. I don't recall seeing anything out of our littlest stalker here except words.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.01.13 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Edited by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 13/01/2006 04:45:34
I think he's referring to that time in that other world...
*cue twilight zone theme*
The only AM member I can recall seeing in X-7O was Graelyn (who - hats off - flies a mean Omen and mixes a tasty coquetail), who came for a Omens-n-Stabbers contest we ran a while ago. I don't recall seeing anything out of our littlest stalker here except words.
Now hang on just a minute Shintoko! Are you saying that Tomahawk Bliss just out and out publicaly lied about AM having ever wardecced us before (and made JF hide in X-7O)?
Thats incredible, how does he expect to get away with stuff like that? I guess state media in the Amarri Empire must be really forgiving for Brutors that enslave their own flesh and blood.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.13 09:24:00 -
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Dont feed the troll. Even if he is AM's official voice.
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Nehemaut
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Posted - 2006.01.13 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Syric Amarust
Come now people. What is reason behind all of these threats and insults? What do they accomplish? It is your actions that precede you notyour words. As to the now broken Cyrene. Yes, we are much smaller now, but to say that we are broken would be to assume that we are about to collapse. Unless you know something I don't, the Cyrene initiative though vastly depleted, will live on.
I couldn¦t agree more about the insults and words, they accomplish nothing and action is what matters. But denying the obvious, which is the collapse of Cyrene at this point at the hands of AM is just, just, insane. I would like to know the true numbers of the slaughter that took place during the combats. I heard at Amarr channel that AM turned Cyrene to dust in the first week. one of Cyrene ex pilots, a personal friend ( many left Cyrene in terror after AM strike) told me one of his fleet was capsule poded about 3 or 4 times in less than an hour, than he left Cyrene as well.
Now Cyrene, I am an Amarrian and I see you talk a lot about standing to your morals. I ask you Gallente: what sort of moral is that which allows your pilots to be dizimated, your Alliance broken, and even seeing all the pain you still push on knowing that this is far a lost war.
Cirene, you lost respect doing that. Your Pride hurts only your own. If you were really the guys with good intentions as you always say, you would have accepted AM demands and ended this war. You would still have your pilots and could concentrate on getting together, stronger for the Federation.
Cyrene Alliance "or the only remaining corp left" if you still want to get out of this with some honour, its time to come to your senses. Unless there is something I dont know or do you have a Jovian ship hidden in your hangars ready to blow AM forces?
And for AM, your victory is already proven. *bows
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Syric Amarust
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:13:00 -
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You say that you wish to know that actual numbers right now. Lets just say, that the Cyrene Initiative is standing at about 12 right now.
You too speak of the collapse of Cyrene. I here this being said over and over again all over the place, but has it happend? Have we lost pilots, yes. Thats what happens in a war. AM has lost pilots as well. Are our deaths outnumbering theirs, obviously so.
Will we keep fighting?
DUH!!!
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.13 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nehemaut
And for AM, your victory is already proven. *bows
no need to mince words on what happened with Cyrene
after a week of conflict their member count went from over 120 to 20. how much if this was due to us or due to other events is unclear and i don't point to that obvious number drop as a true sign of the conflict.
but so far the losses have been highly lop-sided, we have won the battles in space (which is all that counts) and so i suppose could be said to have "won" so far. We are unchallenged in Gallente space for the most part.
but Cyrene has pilots who have shown determination beyond reproach. they have the guts to do what Aegis Militia has always done, they will attack when outnumbered. In all of AM's history we have had only 2 times where in the numerous wars declared and received AM outnumbered all it's enemies. that was Priory and Cyrene.
we know that it takes guts to do more than talk a good game, these Cyrene pilots who do undock and fight un-supported by their corp mates are worthy of being Pod Pilots, are worthy of even being in the Militia. they try, they adapt, they are not fools.
They know they are courageous and with every conflict they get stronger while those that hunker in stations or merely blather on the forums stay weak and unchanged.
as to the pilot who was podded 3 times in an hour, well he joined Jericho Fraction
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2006.01.13 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
...as to the pilot who was podded 3 times in an hour, well he joined Jericho Fraction
Yep, we like him. I imagine that once he trains up and can use a microwarp drive, he'll be a formidable fighter.
Oh, and good work podding the guy three times. Go, you!
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.01.13 16:53:00 -
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Dies of laughter
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.01.13 16:54:00 -
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Formidable warrior this Tomahawk Bliss, maybe I shouldn't mock him so lightly ...
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Freada
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Posted - 2006.01.13 17:17:00 -
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Oh go ahead!
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Nehemaut
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Posted - 2006.01.13 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Justicia Universi
Actually, the Cyrene Initiative was never more alive. We are firm upon our ideals, to our corp & Alliance regardless of the cost.
Wars should be determined upon objectives and I would say AM has met none of them. Ixion Defense Systems will continue to standfast and the slaves you request are still in the protection of the Federation.
No comments about how " alive" Cyrene must be. Obviously you are right and the whole rest of Universe is wrong.
As I understand per above posts, the slaves should be purchased at Empire so YES they are still under the protection of "Federation" Commic to not say sad that you dont even understand what principle you are fighting for or against.
Ah, and even within your delusional words I see something interesting: so many of you said above that you have no involvement with slave market. Now you call slaves to be " under Federation protection" Justicia with all respect, its the second communication you make that goes way wrong. I wonder if you are really pro Cyrene or ?!
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2006.01.13 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 13/01/2006 18:32:25
((Supporter of AM or no, post with your ******* main, ok?))
Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia
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Nehemaut
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Posted - 2006.01.13 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Nehemaut on 13/01/2006 19:06:05
Originally by: Graelyn
Edited by: Graelyn on 13/01/2006 18:32:25
((Supporter of AM or no, post with your ******* main, ok?))
- Looks at her comm systems, bugged perhaps? looks at Forum Mod about some policy called " non occ ". post above deleted?
Supporter of AM or not : neither one or another. Ah, next time let me know that a member of Academy is forbidden to express opinions. Good call for the official minister of foreign affairs.
No comments further. Respect people and they will respect you. keep this clean.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.13 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Justicia Universi
The Cyrene Initiative sends you 12 Crates of Quafe
my dear Justicia i drink Starsi.
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Syric Amarust
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Posted - 2006.01.13 19:31:00 -
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Once we purchase the slaves, they then fall under the protection of the federation. To attempt to twist someones words like that is the same as looking for a fight. You don't understand what Cyrene stands for obviously, you don't understand because the "beliefs" that we live by are beyond your comprehension. We, the Cyrene Initiative will not back down to your words, speaking of our inevitable fall, nor will we back down from fighting a war whose terms, go against our principles.
We fight; We Fall, but we will rise again. We like water will bend indefinately to the challenges placed before us, and will rise once the pressure is intensified. Cyrene is now at its lowest possible number, pressure has been applied, Prepare for our rise.
Peace? What is peace?
War? What is War?
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2006.01.13 20:45:00 -
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Too many drug inspired messages here.
In character, out of character What were you guys on?
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