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Ciyrine
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:38:00 -
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even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts? |
Rengerel en Distel
1858
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:40:00 -
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Oh god, now you're giving people a real reason to hate goons ...
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16360
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:40:00 -
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Good.
Quote:So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point? The point is that you're only supposed to be able to jump once a day, but now you can actually do it once a day rather than once-a-day-and-a-little-more.
If you want to bounce around space faster, use podjumping.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Jim Era
7512
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:46:00 -
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You don't have to train it ya know. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3660
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:47:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
Holy crap don't ever post again.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2195
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:57:00 -
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Kick Goonwaffe.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:59:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
Whiners gonna whine...with cheese... and a side of bacon.
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
- Sun Tzu |
Dave Stark
3603
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:59:00 -
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i see the recruiting standards in goons are slipping. guess the rumours of their imminent implosion is true! |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1405
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:06:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
surely you don't play eve the entire other 16 hours? |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
422
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:12:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
Ban OP Gas Thread Kick Goonwaffe
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
201
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:21:00 -
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Do you know Paul Otichoda? I think you guys would be good friends. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate
S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1910
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:21:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ban OP Gas Thread Kick Goonwaffe
Alternatively: Nerf Goons Nerf Goons Nerf Goons
Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
1400
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:03:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i see the recruiting standards in goons are slipping. guess the rumours of their imminent implosion is true!
They had standards ?
Anyway to the OP , then don't train them simple.So nothing changed o//.
I like the skill the 5 hours means i can still catch that late night roam , clone out to empire after it and the next day clone back in just before the new evenings roam starts.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:23:00 -
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I knew this was a useless skill the instant I saw it. You should be able to jump every 15 minutes at least.
Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo... |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
423
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:39:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:I knew this was a useless skill the instant I saw it. You should be able to jump every 15 minutes at least.
Screw that, I got an even better idea. Just get rid of clones, and when your ship dies, you respawn at the nearest station. As long as you make it back to your wreck in time, you can instantly "repair" it and get back in the fight.
In order to do this, we'll have to make wrecks unlootable, and the return pod unkillable, but that doesn't seem like too big a deal. Think of all the new subs we'll get!
I also had this idea to split all of EVE into two groups, who're at war....we can call one side the "Coalition", and the other the "Swarm"........
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
487
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:54:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I knew this was a useless skill the instant I saw it. You should be able to jump every 15 minutes at least. Screw that, I got an even better idea. Just get rid of clones, and when your ship dies, you respawn at the nearest station. As long as you make it back to your wreck in time, you can instantly "repair" it and get back in the fight. In order to do this, we'll have to make wrecks unlootable, and the return pod unkillable, but that doesn't seem like too big a deal. Think of all the new subs we'll get! I also had this idea to split all of EVE into two groups, who're at war....we can call one side the "Coalition", and the other the "Swarm"........
Your sarcasm references something, but what? |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1191
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:41:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
Tell us you were trolling, drunk, high or whatever the heck when you posted this will you?
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3895
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:00:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i see the recruiting standards in goons are slipping. guess the rumours of their imminent implosion is true! are* |
Dave Stark
3608
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:05:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i see the recruiting standards in goons are slipping. guess the rumours of their imminent implosion is true! are*
actually, rumour*
i've only heard one rumour, so i have no idea why i wrote "rumours". |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
5756
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:18:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ban OP Gas Thread Kick Goonwaffe
Alternatively: Nerf Goons Nerf Goons Nerf Goons
Ban Goonswarm forever.
My Youtube Channel
Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
668
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:27:00 -
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Post that **** on FYAD. |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
1714
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Posted - 2013.09.08 20:52:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
So what you're saying is, you're either playing eve, or sleeping?
Dude, that's entirely your own problem
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
554
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Posted - 2013.09.08 22:07:00 -
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2hrs would be better
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2605
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Posted - 2013.09.08 23:13:00 -
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Nah there's a problem with timing / fleet composition swaps as they relate to POS timers or something. We need the new POS system methinks. I'm fine with the skill now until they fix that.
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Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
609
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Posted - 2013.09.08 23:23:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
7/10
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
827
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Posted - 2013.09.08 23:27:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
Actually, given how many pilots actually jump clones for any significant reason -- the main one being able to "commute" to some distant part of Null from Jita or some other significant location in Empire -- the skill is largely pointless to the vast number of players.
Even then, most don't jump so frequently in the first place to warrant training the skill.
Would have been better off with "Advanced Parallel Parking for Shuttles"... or "Synchronized Pod Spinning"...
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
559
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Posted - 2013.09.08 23:35:00 -
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This is what happens when you recruit NQA.
This **** right here.
We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
2086
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Posted - 2013.09.09 01:07:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:In the course of discussions with CCP, I was shown reasons why a 12 hour timer would be a bad idea. For example, during multiple reinforcement timers (something I obviously don't work with a lot), very short JC timers gives the defender tremendous advantages in terms of mobility and changing fleet compositions. So I have to admit that the reasons preventing shorter JC timers were good ones.
http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2013/09/ugly-babies.html |
Baggo Hammers
92
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Posted - 2013.09.09 02:12:00 -
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So is this the quality of folks that belong to the vaunted "Goons?" Really special I guess.
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4350
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Posted - 2013.09.09 02:51:00 -
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We actually have a lot of bad posters.
It's just that they're normally kept hidden away...
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Oggat
The Adam's Family
36
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Posted - 2013.09.09 02:54:00 -
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As already pointed out, the idea was to allow you to jump at a time other than the beginning of a game session assuming you play the same time each day. If a reason to jumpclone comes up half way through a 3 hr session, you can do it knowing you can log in the next day on a play time schedule and jump back. No waiting. If you play for more than 5 hrs at a time, you have issues. CCP shouldn't be enabling that. |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
95
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Posted - 2013.09.09 03:39:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:We actually have a lot of bad posters.
It's just that they're normally kept hidden away...
Lock 'em up and throw the key away, please. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
668
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Posted - 2013.09.09 04:22:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:We actually have a lot of bad posters.
It's just that they're normally kept hidden away...
Post a lot and correctly for a few months then you are free to badpost I guess. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
The Cursed Few
464
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:29:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
I log off at around 10pm sometimes 11pm after a night of roaming and decide that tomorrow I want to go back to highsec to address my PI I have there, maybe hit the shops to prepare a contract to bring more ships out to null, etc.
Now since for some reason my jc timer does not come off until 8pm (maybe it was a CTA or I used a jc to xfer stuff, who knows) I obviously do not want to log on around 530pm and wait until 8pm in order to use my JC.
So I skilled up Advanced Infomorph Psychology to shave some hours off my jc timer, go to bed, wake up and go to work, get home and boom! my jc is available for jump.
This is a good thing.
Another instance...
You are using your boosting clone for some other op, and you have a pos you put into reinforce after a big fight, and in 24 hours that tower comes out of RF and you want to be ready. Obviously you don't want to wait until you're in place to swap clones, so a few levels of Adv IP will allow you time to finish your op and the next day swap clones and be READY for that 24 hr period.
"But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
235
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:34:00 -
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Since I started playing eve, using a jump clone has essentially been declaring that you won't be back in the old clone for two days.
Given that the timer is 24 hours, that's a little unintuitive, so I see why the OP wouldn't understand.
However, if you jump cloned at the end of each play session, your sleep schedule and life would have to revolve around eve:
Play til 8, jump clone out, next day jump clone back down at 8, play til 12, etc. etc.
With the skill trained to IV, you can get a 4-hour play session each day at the same time, and still be able to sit in your JC the rest of the time. |
Tron 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
75
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:22:00 -
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Ryuu Shi wrote:Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts? Whiners gonna whine...with cheese... and a side of bacon.
Mmmm bacon!
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
749
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:48:00 -
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...and here we have what some people forecasted long ago: once CCP reduced JC timeout people will ask for more 
that's why reducing JC timeouts is stupid idea |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
216
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:57:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ban OP Gas Thread Kick Goonwaffe
Alternatively: Nerf Goons Nerf Goons Nerf Goons
Based on a locked thread I just saw, CCP has decided to buff Goons. Sorry.
This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1598
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:00:00 -
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It wasn't that bad of a post, I don't know why you guys are dogpiling on OP. Goons have feelings too, right? I think that's more or less a pretty safe assumption. |
Ciyrine
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:53:00 -
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now i see how the synchronization skill helps. It gives you a little flexibility on when in your play session you do the jump.
more interestingly Ive now seen why people post with alts. half this thread was **** on with goon rage. |
Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
87
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:59:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:It wasn't that bad of a post, I don't know why you guys are dogpiling on OP. Goons have feelings too, right? I think that's more or less a fairly safe assumption.
I'm not certain of that. Maybe their new renting ambitions could be extended to include some of their rank and file personal? If so we could rent some as lab rats and run tests.. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
9342
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:04:00 -
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I kinda like it, while it still just once a day I don't have to wait until like late night if I happened to do a jump before going to bed, I can usually just do the jump when getting home from work (I mean earlier everyone knows I'm not allowed outside).
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
387
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:30:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i see the recruiting standards in goons are slipping. guess the rumours of their imminent implosion is true!
Something similar came to my mind.
Remove insurance. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4611
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:38:00 -
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Barzai Mekhar wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:It wasn't that bad of a post, I don't know why you guys are dogpiling on OP. Goons have feelings too, right? I think that's more or less a fairly safe assumption. I'm not certain of that. Maybe their new renting ambitions could be extended to include some of their rank and file personal? If so we could rent some as lab rats and run tests..
Or lab spiders.
I just saw a test where they put spiders on various types of drugs and made note of the changes in their webs afterwards.
It's amazing how screwed up a spider gets on simple caffeine. A normally symmetrical web turns into something Picasso would be proud of. 
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
429
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:41:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
Someone's been badtouching your clones, haven't they? |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
429
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:46:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point?
the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts? Actually, given how many pilots actually jump clones for any significant reason -- the main one being able to "commute" to some distant part of Null from Jita or some other significant location in Empire -- the skill is largely pointless to the vast number of players. Even then, most don't jump so frequently in the first place to warrant training the skill. Would have been better off with " Advanced Parallel Parking for Shuttles"... or " Synchronized Pod Spinning"...
I dunno about you, but I clone-jump to change implant sets. A few hours extra is kinda nice when I want to change the body I'm wearing for something a bit smarter after a round of combat roaming. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
True Zombies
845
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:00:00 -
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Never heard of it
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me.
Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury
Tactical Narcotics Team
302
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Posted - 2013.09.13 14:32:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:even at level 5 your shaving 5hrs off your clone jump time. I sleep for roughly 8 hrs, theres probably not many people who sleep for 5 or less hrs a day. So ultimately youll still only be jumping once a day. Whats the point? the skill wouldnt be worth it to me unless it was 2 hrs per skill level. Thoughts?
For us busy people, the point is to help ensure that you DO get to jump at least once a day.
For example, some of us maybe only get to play for about an hour or two around the same time each day. If I jump clone at the end of that play time, and then the next day my RL schedule makes me move things an hour up, I miss a whole day of jumping.
Now with the ability to have a 19hr jump schedule, if my RL schedule shifts by an hour or two, I can still take advantage and jump my clone. I think most people fall within this margin and CCP decided correctly that it was a good balance between giving a little and not making the timer useless all together.
TL:DR - It's not always about you. Why can't you just be happy they reduced it instead of doing nothing.
Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
403
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Posted - 2013.09.14 06:23:00 -
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I'm sure if you mention it to stacked CSM, they can include flyable griffons in the #1 spot of things most wanted by the goo... I mean community they don'.. I mean do represent...
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