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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 172	Posted - 2013.09.11 14:09:00 - [1] - Quote In an abuse of power overstepping expected duties of simple chat channel moderation, the mods of the merc contracts channel have delisted The Devil's Warrior Alliance in a pre-emptive and political move that brings into question the integrity of the channel at whole, its mods, and an attack on all merc alliances mandate to govern their own memberships and destiny. Evidently the corporation 'Rebirth' caused problems in the past in the chat channel and were kicked. Problem solved right? Well, last month The Devil's Warrior Alliance, a long standing and solid EvE mercenary corporation, added Rebirth to its alliance. A month later the moderators of the merc contracts channel then put a gun to Lord Razpataz's head and demanded he kick Rebirth from its alliance. That's right. Chat-channel mods, demanding a distinguished alliance head (and super nice guy) to kick members from his alliance. Even though Raz reminded them the offenders of the past where already kicked from channel and could cause no trouble in channel, or that Devil's is not responsible for others past actions, or that no Rebirth member had yet caused trouble under the Devil's alliance, that wasn't good enough for the power hungry mods intent on banning Devils for political reasons, not actual channel disruption. - There are no listed rules in the channel saying previously banned members entering other alliances will trigger a guilt-by-association ban - Rebirth was in Whores in Space for a month, yet no ban resulted in that case. Why? - Marmite had a banned member (Vegas) in their alliance for some time, and no ban resulted in that case either. Why? - No Rebirth member has actually caused disruption in channel under Devil's Something stinks here. Now, a key reason I am bringing this abuse of power and political interference into the public view is because the mods doubled-down and recently spent some time patting themselves on the back on the 'Declarations Of War' podcast, on how Devil's were "given a choice to kick Rebirth, or be kicked themselves"... A choice with a gun to your head is no choice. Punishment for an uncommitted crime is unacceptable. And lets get real, you are chat channel moderators, NOT a group empowered to do overall mercenary alliance governorship. You crossed the line. Again, Devils and no-one under the Devil's alliance has caused an actual offence in the merc contracts channel; a long standing and valued member of the merc community had a gun put to its head, was kicked, and pompously justified based on a *pre-emptive act of power politics*. Disgusting really. The Devil's Warior Alliance should be re-listed in the merc contracts channel immediately, with the understanding IF any offenses are rendered by the small number of Rebirth members part of our greater whole, Raz will deal with it. Raz has earned that chance. (But again, if Rebirth offenders are already kicked from the actual channel...how can they cause problems?) Clients, if you are seeking mercenary contracts reach out to Lord Razpataz directly. Devils will continue to service you with integrity and distinction. Integrity matters, to us anyway. F Would you like to know more?
Danalee EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 184	Posted - 2013.09.11 14:11:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed. D.
Cannibal Kane My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Break-A-Wish Foundation 2371	Posted - 2013.09.11 14:29:00 - [3] - Quote Eish... I hope my presence in Break a Wish does not cause the same situation. I am however perma banned from that channel as a character so it should not be an issue. But is seems it might be according to your post. I am in a wait and see mood. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS
Dark 0verlord 9 Inch Club 118	Posted - 2013.09.11 14:30:00 - [4] - Quote Not to mention marmite had me and Nigh in for a very short period of time and we are both known scammers of that channel and had scammed people previously to being in marmite. To be quite honest I really hate that channel.
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation 1046	Posted - 2013.09.11 14:40:00 - [5] - Quote Words in an MOTD apparently hold SO MUCH POWER. As owners of that channel I'm pretty sure they can impose whatever rules, nonsensical or not, they so desire. It's not like Merc Contracts is an actual council of spacefarers who delve into topics of importance. Haven't the same mods run that channel for years, while the variety of mercs has shifted? All that aside, rabble rousing and words of entitlement probably won't earn favor from the channel mods and I doubt they care enough about the opinion of C&P (or Devil's apparently) to change anything. I'm actually surprised you didn't put that ball of words into a blog post and spam the link everywhere. I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess.
PreZiDenT1 Nocturnal Twins 3	Posted - 2013.09.11 14:41:00 - [6] - Quote Any day in the merc channel: (12:31 )Victim 1: "Hey mercs. I have a problem with some people in low sec. Anyone that can help?" Silence (13.37) Victim 2: "Hey mercs. I have a problem with a small corp in high sec. Anyone that can help?" (13:37) Merc 1 :"Contact me" (13:37) Merc 2 : "No, me!" (13:38) Merc 3 : "If its just high sec, we are available"
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation 1046	Posted - 2013.09.11 15:00:00 - [7] - Quote PreZiDenT1 wrote: Any day in the merc channel: (12:31 )Victim 1: "Hey mercs. I have a problem with some people in low sec. Anyone that can help?" Silence (13.37) Victim 2: "Hey mercs. I have a problem with a small corp in high sec. Anyone that can help?" (13:37) Merc 1 :"Contact me" (13:37) Merc 2 : "No, me!" (13:38) Merc 3 : "If its just high sec, we are available" That's because low sec is a scary place and the Bothans never returned to give viable intel. I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess.
Zeus Maximo Mentally Assured Destruction 451	Posted - 2013.09.11 15:08:00 - [8] - Quote Guess somebody was mercing too hard. Send Alex(noir) a mail and see what your options are. I had to tread lightly with rebirth in whores but in my opinion it was worth it because they weren't their old selves. With my experience they were very calm and composed so I knew nothing bad would happen. Good luck
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 181	Posted - 2013.09.11 19:32:00 - [9] - Quote Zeus Maximo wrote: Guess somebody was mercing too hard. Send Alex(noir) a mail and see what your options are. I had to tread lightly with rebirth in whores but in my opinion it was worth it because they weren't their old selves. With my experience they were very calm and composed so I knew nothing bad would happen. Good luck That's whats frustrating, Raz did try over the last week or so to raise the same points with them. Not all mods supported the action BTW, some are neutral or not supportive, but one or two won out -- either blinded by anti-Rebirth PTSD qq'ing, or some other agenda... Devil's should be relisted immediately, they have done nothing wrong in channel, and neither have Rebirth under our flag. Would you like to know more?
culo duro The Bootcamp EveryoneVersusEveryone.com. 266	Posted - 2013.09.11 19:55:00 - [10] - Quote I'm pretty sure it's because Rebirth as an entity is known for scams etc. If you join a corp as a player it's different because you don't really have the "CEO" sign on you. Besides raz actually had a convo with pell about this in the channel.
Saeger1737 Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance 145	Posted - 2013.09.11 21:40:00 - [11] - Quote Sounds more like a trolling situation that the mods are doing to devils, or a few mods holding grudges over past events that they seem fit to punish a section of mercs for. I believe it should be up to a mod council to vote for the removal of an alliance or corp from the list, not the will of one or two begrudged mods with something to prove.
Yuller The Filthy Few Pendulum of Doom 48	Posted - 2013.09.11 22:31:00 - [12] - Quote I'm pretty sure i got a good idea of which Mod did this
Sivor Detmen Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction The Devil's Warrior Alliance 25	Posted - 2013.09.11 23:13:00 - [13] - Quote Yuller wrote: I'm pretty sure i got a good idea of which Mod did this It's very easy to guess...
Adriel Malakai Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 378	Posted - 2013.09.12 01:13:00 - [14] - Quote For the record, I have an exceptionally low opinion of Rebirth. With that said, I find it both hilarious and childish that Devil's was removed from the channel. As long as a listed merc is not scamming contracts they should not be banned, regardless of who comprises their membership. I wish you guys the best of luck in dealing with this situation. I know what my response will be if they attempt to tell me how to run my alliance, and I frankly hope Raz has a similar response planned.
Lord Razpataz Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 45	Posted - 2013.09.12 12:19:00 - [15] - Quote Adriel Malakai wrote: For the record, I have an exceptionally low opinion of Rebirth. With that said, I find it both hilarious and childish that Devil's was removed from the channel. As long as a listed merc is not scamming contracts they should not be banned, regardless of who comprises their membership. I wish you guys the best of luck in dealing with this situation. I know what my response will be if they attempt to tell me how to run my alliance, and I frankly hope Raz has a similar response planned. Thx Adriel Well.. I have thought of some responses... but.. its all about time and patience. And the whole de-listing its just bullshit.. imo. The whole reason for the delisting was so the mods dont have to deal with any drama related to Rebirth, but by doing this (delisted Devils) I'm sure the mods have used more time already on me, than they would use on actually dealing with a problem done by Rebirth. Not sure if the intent was that I should roll over and just let it pass?
AndromacheDarkstar Red Dawn Mercenaries Forsaken Asylum 789	Posted - 2013.09.12 12:38:00 - [16] - Quote New merc channel? Red Dawn Mercenaries, Low and High sed mercs for hire. Feel free to mail me or join our public channel Red Dawn Mercenaries for more information.
Jove Death EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 73	Posted - 2013.09.12 12:44:00 - [17] - Quote Agreed on the OP post. However if you beleive a mod is targetting your corp/alliance because of rebirth then the other mods should over ride this rulling and let you guys and gals back in. If rebirth start being a pain in the arse again devils need to deal with it or face being kicked again. The other option is to set up a new channel with key members from each merc corp/alliance where an agreement can be made to resolve situations like this without it spiralling out of control. Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
Jake Patton Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 28	Posted - 2013.09.12 12:58:00 - [18] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Banned members are today in Break A Wish, yet no ban has occurred in that case. Why? Banning us would unleash the wrath of the unicorn man. It would also set free Tysinger from his love van and cause Tah'ris to beat everyone in one epic game of chess.
culo duro The Bootcamp EveryoneVersusEveryone.com. 272	Posted - 2013.09.12 13:24:00 - [19] - Quote AndromacheDarkstar wrote: New merc channel? I've sorta been doing that thing already. Edit: ofc it's not as good as the in-game channel, but shoot me a message if you want to be added on that list.
Princess Bride Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium 543	Posted - 2013.09.12 13:58:00 - [20] - Quote Wow that's a lot of drama. Basically, channel management hates the guys you let into your alliance, and gave you a hard but obvious choice. Dump 'em or GTFO. I fail to see the high political intrigue. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
AndromacheDarkstar Red Dawn Mercenaries Forsaken Asylum 789	Posted - 2013.09.12 14:05:00 - [21] - Quote Princess Bride wrote: Wow that's a lot of drama. Basically, channel management hates the guys you let into your alliance, and gave you a hard but obvious choice. Dump 'em or GTFO. I fail to see the high political intrigue. Well its a bit of a **** move for someone running what is advertised as a public channel to boot an alliance because they dont like a corp in that alliance eve though the alliance has done nothing wrong and that corp has no acsces to said channel. Personnal hatred should be set aside as long as people are playing by the rules and not exploiting the channel. Red Dawn Mercenaries, Low and High sed mercs for hire. Feel free to mail me or join our public channel Red Dawn Mercenaries for more information.
Antony E Stark School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 50	Posted - 2013.09.12 14:26:00 - [22] - Quote It wouldn't surprise me.... Why not simply remove/sideline people who could act as competition anyway? I would simply suggest stepping up your other forms of advertising and leaving the channel to rot. It's just politics, always has, always will be. Still, that doesn't stop you blowing the **** out of them.
culo duro The Bootcamp EveryoneVersusEveryone.com. 272	Posted - 2013.09.12 14:28:00 - [23] - Quote AndromacheDarkstar wrote: Princess Bride wrote: Wow that's a lot of drama. Basically, channel management hates the guys you let into your alliance, and gave you a hard but obvious choice. Dump 'em or GTFO. I fail to see the high political intrigue. Well its a bit of a **** move for someone running what is advertised as a public channel to boot an alliance because they dont like a corp in that alliance eve though the alliance has done nothing wrong and that corp has no acsces to said channel. Personnal hatred should be set aside as long as people are playing by the rules and not exploiting the channel. This.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 183	Posted - 2013.09.12 14:30:00 - [24] - Quote Princess Bride wrote: Basically, channel management hates the guys you let into your alliance, and gave you a hard but obvious choice. Dump 'em or GTFO. I fail to see the high political intrigue. I can't teach someone who refuses to learn, but you may want to re-read the original post a few times while imagining you are the CEO of a merc corp or alliance. Failing that, here's a metaphor even a child should be able to understand... - A couple of dudes rob houses, they get caught and serve a jail sentence - Upon release, a local restaurant (one of the finest in the city actually..) hires them, to wash dishes and prepare food - A power-drunk guy on city council demands the restaurant fire the ex-con's, or the restaurant will be de-listed from the city's 'best restaurants' website - The restaurant owner rightly gives the city councilor the finger, telling him he has NO business telling him who he can or can't hire. The restaurant is passing its health inspections, serving great food, and no-one is getting sick. No one at the front of the house even sees the dishwashers or cooks in back of the house. - Power-drunk city councilor delists the (awesome) restaurant from the city website anyway, despite other councilors being neutral or against the move. - The 'Best Restaraunts' website is now no longer about best restaurants, its about restaurants the power-drunk councillor personally likes. As such, no one can trust the website anymore, on any of its restaurant recommendations. Would you like to know more?
Buhhdust Princess Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 7091	Posted - 2013.09.12 14:31:00 - [25] - Quote PreZiDenT1 wrote: Any day in the merc channel: (12:31 )Victim 1: "Hey mercs. I have a problem with some people in low sec. Anyone that can help?" Silence (13.37) Victim 2: "Hey mercs. I have a problem with a small corp in high sec. Anyone that can help?" (13:37) Merc 1 :"Contact me" (13:37) Merc 2 : "No, me!" (13:38) Merc 3 : "If its just high sec, we are available" Not anymore sunshine. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=277436&find=unread
Alice Saki Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 87494	Posted - 2013.09.12 14:37:00 - [26] - Quote HighSec? YAWN Saede GÖÑ We Remember ThanksGÖÑZimmy GÖÑGÖÑAlice Saki ServicesGÖÑGÖÑ
culo duro The Bootcamp EveryoneVersusEveryone.com. 272	Posted - 2013.09.12 14:37:00 - [27] - Quote Princess Bride wrote: Wow that's a lot of drama. Basically, channel management hates the guys you let into your alliance, and gave you a hard but obvious choice. Dump 'em or GTFO. I fail to see the high political intrigue. The thing though is that it's not about it being political, it's about removing an entity from the channel which the alliance leader wants to stand in for, and the channel is telling him how to run his alliance. :p While it did not affect Whores in space, or BAW with Kane.
Alice Saki Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 87494	Posted - 2013.09.12 14:46:00 - [28] - Quote Sounds like everyone should just vacate this channel and begin anew. With someone less power Hungry. Saede GÖÑ We Remember ThanksGÖÑZimmy GÖÑGÖÑAlice Saki ServicesGÖÑGÖÑ
AndromacheDarkstar Red Dawn Mercenaries Forsaken Asylum 789	Posted - 2013.09.12 16:12:00 - [29] - Quote Alice Saki wrote: Sounds like everyone should just vacate this channel and begin anew. With someone less power Hungry. I can't see the harm in having multiple channels providing those channels do function as advertised and actually promote all mercs providing they follow the rules setting aside personal preference and politics. We are all here to pick up contracts and get paid at the end of the day. Red Dawn Mercenaries, Low and High sed mercs for hire. Feel free to mail me or join our public channel Red Dawn Mercenaries for more information.
Saeger1737 Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance 148	Posted - 2013.09.12 17:23:00 - [30] - Quote I think if the existing channel stays the mods need to be cycled every 6 months and need not be biased against corps/alliances for its members. And further more it should take a mod council to remove an alliance from the list, the power of one mod should be limited to the content of banning a person but not a corp or an alliance. If found that the said mod tries to over step his or her bounds he/she should be removed from modship.

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