Work together - form friendship
New opportunity, more money
One guy goes, likes it
Second guy follows
Both guys make more money and still have their friendship
Profit!

One is in Santa Monica (LA) another in Dublin :D

What is happening? Soundwave leaving for riot and now Arnar Hrafn Gylfason leaving for same destination also. 2 pillars leaving in short period must mean something.

Not happy with the turn that EVE is taking with the late management changes? High positions given to the outsiders while maybe they wanted them?

Tinfoil hat ON. Begin the speculations.

Speculations you say....

Same sex marriage is legal in California now. Coincidence?

On July 12, 2013, Business Insider named Riot Games #4 on its list of the top 25 technology companies to work for in 2013.[

Well, those companies (Riot, Zynga, etc.) are where the big money is, these days...

Zynga has been in a financial tailspin since it went public, including some nasty layoffs and company restructuring. Now exactly where the "big money" is at.

CCP has been making some hilarious choices lately when it comes to the people they're hiring. CCP Seagull who's a feminist LGBT ultra-leftist ~~ReLaTiOnShIP Hax0r~~ who's played eve for about a year before being made senior producer, and mintchip who's a cam..... lady.

I wouldn't want to work with gimmicky staff either, and would leave if I found a better offer.

What is happening? Soundwave leaving for riot and now Arnar Hrafn Gylfason leaving for same destination also. 2 pillars leaving in short period must mean something.

Not happy with the turn that EVE is taking with the late management changes? High positions given to the outsiders while maybe they wanted them?

Tinfoil hat ON. Begin the speculations.

The only thing surprising to me is how long CCP has been able to keep some devs. I own my own company now, but before that I changed programming jobs every 3 years or so to go where the $$$, the cool tech, or just the challenge was. I don't think there is much to read into a couple devs who've worked for years at one company leaving to go to a company that is doing well and has some different stuff to work on.

Rumor is they don't like the direction the game is going to take if/when EA's buyout offer is accepted.

That 3 year plan CCP has must be a doozy.

And greed is good.

Rumor is they don't like the direction the game is going to take if/when EA's buyout offer is accepted.

Rumor is they don't like the direction the game is going to take if/when EA's buyout offer is accepted.

While we have no issue with people discussing the choice of a member of our staff to part ways with the company and set course on a different path with another company, we have zero tolerance for personal attacks against members of CCP Staff.

This is a friendly reminder that any further posts that constitute a personal attack against a member of our staff will result in a permanent ban from the forums.

Who?

CCP Zulu.
Honorable defender of $1000.- pants, also brought you the revamped character creator.

While we have no issue with people discussing the choice of a member of our staff to part ways with the company and set course on a different path with another company, we have zero tolerance for personal attacks against members of CCP Staff.

This is a friendly reminder that any further posts that constitute a personal attack against a member of our staff will result in a permanent ban from the forums.

People change jobs quite often in the gaming industry actually. As you gain more experience and knowledge, more opportunities open up for you. Actually, this is quite common in all jobs also. You slowly work your way up to better and better things.

The CCP employees that left felt that they would do better elsewhere, simple as that. It's not that CCP is doing poorly, quite the opposite, just that they feel they can advanced their career from moving, that's it, no hard feelings.

The buy out is going to come in time for Star Citizens MMO hitting the market. It's supposed to go live 2014 December. The dogfighting is hitting the shelf this Christmas. To be fair EVE's creators have gotten their moneys worth out of this game. 10 years is a good run but now EVE is old and is just not going to cut it with the new space MMO's that are coming out so a sell out is not a bad idea.

CCP made a few very bad choices ie DUST, world of darkness and some very sketch recruiting choices that have badly shaken the game, a few other game crippling events along the way have not helped matters.

Exactly. I know CCP has a good atmosphere to work in but is widely known also that they pay much less than the leading industry organizations. Maybe it is time to step up a bit to retain the talents.

Which may be why ccp has requested or instated a more hands-off the new/noob players (which might be their new, future subscribers), i.e. real $$$. A company can not support it's devs when the masses are 'paying' their plex through ingame isk income; ccp needs the real dosch... maybe i'm wrong...

your so sexy when your moody

While we have no issue with people discussing the choice of a member of our staff to part ways with the company and set course on a different path with another company, we have zero tolerance for personal attacks against members of CCP Staff.

This is a friendly reminder that any further posts that constitute a personal attack against a member of our staff will result in a permanent ban from the forums.

Which may be why ccp has requested or instated a more hands-off the new/noob players (which might be their new, future subscribers), i.e. real $$$. A company can not support it's devs when the masses are 'paying' their plex through ingame isk income; ccp needs the real dosch... maybe i'm wrong...

A company can not support it's devs when the masses are 'paying' their plex through ingame isk income; ccp needs the real dosch... maybe i'm wrong...

EVE is not shaken. EVE was never in better place. But CCP needs to tighten their ranks and start looking back again on grandious features. I am fine with 1-2 more expansion where CCP will fix industry, UI especially, but enough is enough.

Stop comparing Star Citizens, it is not even a real MMO, plus is pay to win. Backers will have tons of advantage compared to those that will start with a box purchase. There won't be massive battles, no real, player driven economy. Shortly they are 2 completely different games. The only similarity is the space stage.

Which may be why ccp has requested or instated a more hands-off the new/noob players (which might be their new, future subscribers), i.e. real $$$. A company can not support it's devs when the masses are 'paying' their plex through ingame isk income; ccp needs the real dosch... maybe i'm wrong...

Which may be why ccp has requested or instated a more hands-off the new/noob players (which might be their new, future subscribers), i.e. real $$$. A company can not support it's devs when the masses are 'paying' their plex through ingame isk income; ccp needs the real dosch... maybe i'm wrong...

Its good to get outside talent to shake up the game.

It's also poisoning the game when top Devs are /too/ friendly with player groups.

But, they could steer EVE in another direction that none of us actually wants.

Personally, I don't see this working out in the long run and will be selling off characters in alt ACCTS.

Which may be why ccp has requested or instated a more hands-off the new/noob players (which might be their new, future subscribers), i.e. real $$$. A company can not support it's devs when the masses are 'paying' their plex through ingame isk income; ccp needs the real dosch... maybe i'm wrong...

You are.

Since every PLEX that players buy in game has been bought from CCP (directly or indirectly) for real "dosch" in the first place.

Rawr

What is happening? CCP Soundwave leaving for riot and now CCP Zulu leaving for same destination also. 2 pillars leaving in short period must mean something.

Not happy with the turn that EVE is taking with the late management changes? High positions given to the outsiders while maybe they wanted them?

Tinfoil hat ON. Begin the speculations.

Pretty normal lately with small developers.
EA gets in, everyone else gets out.

Just look at Westwood, Bioware, Maxis and probably loads more.

Except when EA gets in, the entire studio fail-cascades and the game turns to ****. The players then leave and the games end up struggling for attention.

For whatever reason that CCP does decide to sell or end this game. I want 3+ years of my sub money back.

Like many of you, I have put to much time and effort and dedication into EVE Online to have it end on me.

Just stop making those crazy pointless things like DUST 514 and pool your money and resources into EVE Online. The game people actually want to play.

A. By CCP for Termination of the Game

CCP does not guarantee that it will continue to offer access to the System or support the Game. CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any or all of the services offered in connection with EVE (including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game), terminate the EULA, close all Accounts and cancel all of the rights granted to you under the EULA. CCP may communicate such termination to you upon 30 daysGÇÖ notice in any of the following manners: (i) when you log into your Account; (ii) in a notice on CCP's website; (iii) via electronic mail; or (iv) in another manner that CCP deems suitable to inform you of the termination. If CCP terminates the EULA pursuant to this section, you will not receive a refund of any fees.

The point of what i said went so far above your head, it's in freaking orbit. Also cows go moo and birds go tweet.

Nah you basicly said you want your money back if they decided to end this game, thats not going to happen.

I am looking forward to Zulu experiencing the blob that is the 405 freeway.

LOL so http://www.linkedin.com/in/activealli the are not the only one dont forget that ccp got other employers from other games as well.

There is no worry`s the got better payment the left. Dont see any point to put eve online in danger. This happens on every job in the world even YES even on game companies. think before you speculate.

What is happening? CCP Soundwave leaving for riot and now CCP Zulu leaving for same destination also. 2 pillars leaving in short period must mean something.

Not happy with the turn that EVE is taking with the late management changes? High positions given to the outsiders while maybe they wanted them?

Tinfoil hat ON. Begin the speculations.

Also cows go moo and birds go tweet.

People, relax.

One high profile CCP leaving is just a normal thing in the industry.
Two leaving in close proximity to each other is just co-incidence, or good poaching by Riot.

Now, if we get a 3rd leaving very soon, then we may have a trend on our hands, and some fun speculation can begin.

money money money money

Pretty normal lately with small developers.
EA gets in, everyone else gets out.

Just look at Westwood, Bioware, Maxis and probably loads more.

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From this...

Thought it was an interesting read... Poetic Stanziel's rage quit speech...

Well, those companies (Riot, Zynga, etc.) are where the big money is, these days...

Hahahaha! That's really him? He looks about double the age that I thought he was. Everyone needs a break now and then, let's hope PZ uses his time off wisely, which means taking writing lessons at the very least. IMO no great loss.

Edit: that's actually one of the most cogent and insightful things he has ever posted. I agree with most of the points he makes.