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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:46:00 -
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Im sure that everyone has noticed the rising price of PLEX over the last few months and the speculation on why this is happening
Some people have said its because
1. More people want to pay for free
2. The new Microtransations market
3. Speculation that Plex prices are going to hit 550 million by Christmas so investers are buying them up hoping to cash in and also inadvertantly driving up prices
I know a few people who have quit as they have multiple toons and they cannot plex them all. If they continue to rise we may see a cyclical subscription rate in player base. Players fall away as the price of PLEX rises which the forces a drop in the price of PLEX as there are to many PLEXes on the market, which brings them back.
As far as i can see this will affect players with the lowest income streams such as non botting mineral/Ice miners and noobie mission runners.
This could lead to a rise in the price of ships for a while until the price of PLEX falls again due to market saturation and the process starts again.
Further more the falling player base could also be partially due to the rise in PLEX and not because the Techno Vikings have been naughty boys.
Your interesting thoughts please and a big hello to all the trolls. |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
54
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:50:00 -
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I was under the impression the "Exchange rate" was fixed or almost so; You bring up some good points, but ultimately, the price difference will be mostly irrelevant to those that were considering buying it in the first place.
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Aase Nord
Vikinghall
14
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:53:00 -
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Buy more plex on eveonline.com..
Sell them for isk...
And buy a sup.... eh... buy something
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
149
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:59:00 -
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The PLEX must flow...
We need more PLEX on the market. |
Goodwill George
For a fistful of Veldspar
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:01:00 -
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It must be because the NEX is such a success. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
237
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:08:00 -
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Ship prices and item prices are not directly influenced on Plex prices. The only commodity I've seen that is directly influenced by plex/GTC prices is NeX and Character sales. GTC prices have varied heavily over the years yet item prices rarely change because of it. Its not really much of a concern Plex will sooner or later hit a peak and begin to plummet in price, its kind of how the system works. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
199
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:11:00 -
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plex leeches don't matter
if they leave CCP does not lose a subscription
the worst consequence is fewer people for pew, but I suspect most plex leeches are not pvpers
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
31
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:18:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Ship prices and item prices are not directly influenced on Plex prices. The only commodity I've seen that is directly influenced by plex/GTC prices is NeX and Character sales. GTC prices have varied heavily over the years yet item prices rarely change because of it. Its not really much of a concern Plex will sooner or later hit a peak and begin to plummet in price, its kind of how the system works.
+1
I hope you are rigth |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
237
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:18:00 -
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Morganta wrote:plex leeches don't matter
if they leave CCP does not lose a subscription
the worst consequence is fewer people for pew, but I suspect most plex leeches are not pvpers
Less people buying plexes means a higher supply then demand. This would cause prices to go down, which would make less people want to buy Plexes from CCP to try to sell for isk. Which means less profit for CCP. Since NeX is a joke and won't work as a plex sink, that means "plex leeches" will have to do. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1056
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:19:00 -
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Morganta wrote:plex leeches don't matter
if they leave CCP does not lose a subscription In the long run they probably do, since people will presumably stop buying quite as many PLEXes if they can't find any buyers.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
674
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:25:00 -
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I MISS 90d GTC AND ITS ERA!
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Goodwill George
For a fistful of Veldspar
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:28:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I MISS 90d GTC AND ITS ERA!
30 days for 180m. Good times!  |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
66
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:29:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I MISS 90d GTC AND ITS ERA!
yeah i remember seeing a thread about that once. 180 million isk for 90 days subs. But im sure that the same Isk generators where not in place as they are today |
Eebi
CONCORD Center of Research
Central Directorate of Intelligence
2
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:30:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:
1. More people want to pay for free
2. The new Microtransations market
3. Speculation that Plex prices are going to hit 550 million by Christmas so investers are buying them up hoping to cash in and also inadvertantly driving up prices
I'm sure this might have had a certain impact.
I would also assume (since it's of personal relevance) that a lot of unsatisfied people during the gold ammo/NeX/CQ time switched from paying real money to pay for plex with isk while trying do decide to quit or not.
Might as well burn you isk if you decide to quit before actually doing it, especially if you have a lot of it.
If a lot of people do that, that would increase demand of plex significantly, and the price goes up.
People who think "Plex sells for a nice sum of isk" might help the supply but i think it will be a while before it will go down again.
Of course, this is pure speculation. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
200
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Morganta wrote:plex leeches don't matter
if they leave CCP does not lose a subscription In the long run they probably do, since people will presumably stop buying quite as many PLEXes if they can't find any buyers.
I can't agree totally, sure the market would soften, but as long as there's so much as a 2 million isk margin between buy and sell orders, station monkeys will buy and sell them all day long
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
66
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:34:00 -
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Eebi wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:
1. More people want to pay for free
2. The new Microtransations market
3. Speculation that Plex prices are going to hit 550 million by Christmas so investers are buying them up hoping to cash in and also inadvertantly driving up prices
I'm sure this might have had a certain impact. I would also assume (since it's of personal relevance) that a lot of unsatisfied people during the gold ammo/NeX/CQ time switched from paying real money to pay for plex with isk while trying do decide to quit or not. Might as well burn you isk if you decide to quit before actually doing it, especially if you have a lot of it. If a lot of people do that, that would increase demand of plex significantly, and the price goes up. People who think "Plex sells for a nice sum of isk" might help the supply but i think it will be a while before it will go down again. Of course, this is pure speculation.
First class post and so completely true. I know a lot of people doing this and i did this myself for a while. A lot of people are converting there wealth into plexes and just logging in to change skills. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
31
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:36:00 -
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Maby many (former) super cap pilots and their alts are switching to pay gametime with plex allso ? |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
8
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:39:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Tippia wrote:Morganta wrote:plex leeches don't matter
if they leave CCP does not lose a subscription In the long run they probably do, since people will presumably stop buying quite as many PLEXes if they can't find any buyers. I can't agree totally, sure the market would soften, but as long as there's so much as a 2 million isk margin between buy and sell orders, station monkeys will buy and sell them all day long
No, when the supply goes down and the station monkeys are finding it more difficult to sell their PLEX they too will cut back on the amount they buy.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
887
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:39:00 -
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The price of PLEX is based on how long it takes people to make enough ISK to buy one. Making ISK is massively easier than it used to be, ergo the ISK price of PLEX has risen.
Barring truly outrageous feats of market manipulation, CCP's optimum course is almost always to le the player market decide on the value of a PLEX. If CCP try to artificially lower it somehow then they encourage people to simply RMT ISK rather than buy a GTC and convert it to PLEX to sell, leaving even fewer actual PLEX on the market for other players to maintain accounts with.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
237
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:41:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Maby many (former) super cap pilots and their alts are switching to pay gametime with plex allso ?
If they can afford a SC, they most likely already paid with plex. As a previous poster said this probably has to do with many people switching to plex instead of RL due to the gold ammo issue and monoclegate. They are waiting to see if CCP will get their act together during winter expansion before deciding to continue with Eve or not.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:45:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:I was under the impression the "Exchange rate" was fixed or almost so; You bring up some good points, but ultimately, the price difference will be mostly irrelevant to those that were considering buying it in the first place.
It depends. If you want to sell just one PLEX to gain a head start when you subscribe (there are plenty who fall for this trap) it wont make much of a difference. If you need have 25B and need another 25B to get your Titan rising PLEX prices will have a feedback effect. Those 25B can mean 78 PLEX created and put into the market or just 58 depending on price. So over a period of 3 month the same ISK demand of aspiring Titan pilots can differ by 20 PLEXes on the market. Therefore the upcoming supers nerf got 2 effects at the same time at PLEX prices.
Further, when players leave over disappointment with CCP Games both PLEX buyers and sellers leave. I would bet that the balance is move more to sellers. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
231
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:53:00 -
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60M ISK/hr mission running.
100M ISK/hr incursion running.
=> new ceiling price for PLEX will be 500M ISK.
Assumption: majority of PLEX buyers are "play to pay" folks grinding missions/industry/etc to pay for PLEX to fund account.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI
Thundering Herd
35
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:59:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:This could lead to a rise in the price of ships for a while..........................
 At least there is ONE benefit for me and my Industrial self in all that...............
(also, the few times I actually bought and sold a PLEX with RL money, I was FINE with 325,000,000 ISK. Really. That's enough for anyone...... really......... without it becoming an EXPLOITATED TOOL. Ponder that for a bit.)
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Amro One
One.
9
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Posted - 2011.10.30 15:48:00 -
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Are you people aware that you can make 500m in one day doing incursions, easily.
With incursions its just to easy to get a plex. So of course the price goes up. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
109
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Posted - 2011.10.30 15:51:00 -
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Morganta wrote:plex leeches don't matter
if they leave CCP does not lose a subscription
the worst consequence is fewer people for pew, but I suspect most plex leeches are not pvpers
What the hell is a plex leach? Are you one of the retards out there who believe if you play by plex that ccp dont get paid? I pay for eve 100% with plex and I am purely a pvper. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
203
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:10:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Morganta wrote:plex leeches don't matter
if they leave CCP does not lose a subscription
the worst consequence is fewer people for pew, but I suspect most plex leeches are not pvpers What the hell is a plex leach? Are you one of the retards out there who believe if you play by plex that ccp dont get paid? I pay for eve 100% with plex and I am purely a pvper.
only if the plex is made 100% ingame, then yeah, I guess I'm a ******.
I don't care if CCP sold the plex you used to get gametime 2 days ago or 2 years ago you cant claim that he intent of the purchaser was to purchase gametime, which you argue is an offset.
if you paid for plex from CCP so you can use plex to sub than thats different, really different since it costs more to buy 2 plex than it does to sub for 2 months.
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
37
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:21:00 -
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When you get 3 month old players slavouring away in local that they made 1b in a day running incursions ------> there in lies the reason why plex price has gone up |
Written Word
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
77
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:46:00 -
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Carebears are going to grind the ISK anyways, it could go a lot higher until "consequences" occur. |
Naran Eto
Kut-n-Run
44
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:59:00 -
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Rising price of PLEX? When did this happen? Cos i've been paying the same price to sub my account with plex for the last 2yrs. |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2011.10.30 18:38:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:The price of PLEX is based on how long it takes people to make enough ISK to buy one. Making ISK is massively easier than it used to be, ergo the ISK price of PLEX has risen.
Barring truly outrageous feats of market manipulation, CCP's optimum course is almost always to le the player market decide on the value of a PLEX. If CCP try to artificially lower it somehow then they encourage people to simply RMT ISK rather than buy a GTC and convert it to PLEX to sell, leaving even fewer actual PLEX on the market for other players to maintain accounts with.
(Emphasis added.)
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4717&tid=1
Give the PLEX sellers a deal -> supply rises while demand remains stable -> prices fall. With the deal in bulk to make both the PLEX sellers and CCP feel better about lower unit earnings. (CCP may also be feeling better with PLEX that they see gets turned into AUR.)
So this is probably their plan. And the underlined bit is what's uncertain about the plan. |
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