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JinSanJong
Brethren Holdings
Brethren.
43
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Posted - 2013.09.20 10:27:00 -
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Surely the ability to assign hundreds of drones to one ship breaks the mechanic/skills where you can only assign so many yourself based on mods/skills. Isn't there a reason for tha being implemented. This completely overrides that and really should be removed. |
Arrunca
Quator Finance
3
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Posted - 2013.09.20 10:30:00 -
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JinSanJong wrote:Surely the ability to assign hundreds of drones to one ship breaks the mechanic/skills where you can only assign so many yourself based on mods/skills. Isn't there a reason for tha being implemented. This completely overrides that and really should be removed.
The mechanic is broken anyway, so no need to complain, its already as you want it. |
JinSanJong
Brethren Holdings
Brethren.
43
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Posted - 2013.09.20 12:42:00 -
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Arrunca wrote:JinSanJong wrote:Surely the ability to assign hundreds of drones to one ship breaks the mechanic/skills where you can only assign so many yourself based on mods/skills. Isn't there a reason for tha being implemented. This completely overrides that and really should be removed. The mechanic is broken anyway, so no need to complain, its already as you want it.
It's NOT HOW I wanted it at all hence the post duh |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1185
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Posted - 2013.09.20 12:50:00 -
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Yeah, I'm pretty confident drone-assign is on the list of stuff to look at.
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
438
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Posted - 2013.09.20 12:58:00 -
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You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet.
It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot!
Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
524
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:04:00 -
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You just want to protect your free bio and beer breaks.
The the rest of us have like wait. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1525
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:11:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet.
It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot!
Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things.
yes but in a sentry drone fleet only the fc has to press a button, and all the sentries fire at the same time, this is the problem |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
58
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:13:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet.
It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot!
Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things.
Not exactly. When you broadcast a target there are allways people who shoot someone else instead or take longer to shoot then others so most of the time not everyone in fleet shoots the target at the same moment.
With all drones assisting one ship they will all fire at the same moment so the alpha will be better.
If everyone in fleet had to control his own drones to let them fire on a broadcasted target this would be the same as with normal alpha fleets. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
438
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:16:00 -
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I can almost always do a biobreak in an alphafleet, so it's not really much of an issue there.
And I'd rather do a combat biobreak in a battleship that is aligned than a cruiser or battlecruiser not aligned.
As for the protection of my own self-interest, yeah, you mean like any other group?
I get "free time" to use e-war/tackle/cap-war because my ship doesn't require the same degree of management that other weapon systems require. OTOH you can destroy my weapon systems if I use them. Instead of whining on forums about how OP it might be (Even though several CFC peeps said it was bad right after the Fountain war) how about doing what "you" (Although IIRC you were in -A- then) did to Raiden. in Tenal?
Suicide several 250-man drake blobs into a sentry-fleet and I am sure CCP will notice it.
Until then, you can either whine or you can bomb/smartbomb the sentries.
Edit: Post above was to Onictus. Reply below is to the single-fire point by Benny & Ka:
True, it's an FC that triggers with drones. I can assure you thought that not everyone has assisted the drones, and not everyone has the right drones or many other silly mistakes. It's not much different if you have people km-prostituting on other people with drones or 1400mm guns.
Adding to that, it's very hard to destroy the guns of an alphafleet, and drones are notoriously hard to overheat.
No, I don't see the issue. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
174
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Posted - 2013.09.20 14:46:00 -
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Posting in a I can't assist and hide behind POS shields thread. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
438
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:03:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Posting in a I can't assist and hide behind POS shields thread. Then you're in the wrong thread.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4660
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:06:00 -
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The ability to slave literally thousands of weapons systems to one pilot is a bad mechanic and needs realistic limitations. Part of the flow of battle is determined by how disciplined one fleet is compared to another, and one person will always be able to react more quickly and efficiently than 1000 pilots all trying to follow orders.
It disrupts the current balancing mechanics involved in large scale EVE combat, providing a significant advantage that was not intended.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8761
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:09:00 -
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"one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys"
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1185
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:12:00 -
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I think even more than "balance" issues, it is an inherently flawed mechanic that encourages more "not playing" instead of more actual playing. For that alone it needs to be hammered into the ground. I believe there are a maximum number of fighters that can be assigned to someone based on some skill they have, so just use that existing mechanism for all drones, qualified by bandwith if you like.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
147
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:55:00 -
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Andski wrote:"one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys"
Posting in a stealth "buff goon tears" thread |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
439
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:56:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:I think even more than "balance" issues, it is an inherently flawed mechanic that encourages more "not playing" instead of more actual playing. For that alone it needs to be hammered into the ground If that is your reason then drone assist is fine.
@Andski if you want to make up quotes at least make one up that is believable.
Besides, even in your attempt at ridicule, yeah it's fine. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
524
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:57:00 -
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Andski wrote:"one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys"
Well was till he was primaried by 100 Celestis  |
Murk Paradox
Duty.
The Cursed Few
524
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:01:00 -
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We should definitely remove blackbirds and falcons from game.
Hurray meta!
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8761
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:03:00 -
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"don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves"
Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Leigh Akiga
State War Academy
Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:"don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves"
I bet drone assist sympathizers would change their tune in a hurry if goons dropped 1000 dominix on them instead of 1000 megas  |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
439
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:22:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Andski wrote:"don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves" I bet drone assist sympathizers would change their tune in a hurry if goons dropped 1000 dominix on them instead of 1000 megas Rather, I think we'd realise that 1000 battleships would win either way.
And not by any close margins.
Besides, Andski is making up stuff to pull out his rectum to claim as quotes, don't put too much into it. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy
Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:26:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:Andski wrote:"don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves" I bet drone assist sympathizers would change their tune in a hurry if goons dropped 1000 dominix on them instead of 1000 megas Rather, I think we'd realise that 1000 battleships would win either way. And not by any close margins. Besides, Andski is making up stuff to pull out his rectum to claim as quotes, don't put too much into it.
Except they would no longer need 1000 battleships any longer, but maybe 100-150 or so with a handful of triage
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Random Majere
Epsilon Lyr
Nulli Secunda
104
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:53:00 -
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+1 to OP.
I donGÇÖt like it !! ItGÇÖs boring as hell!! EFFICIENT! But boring.
This being said, I believe CCP should "reflect" on how they could make fleet fights more dynamic for regular squad members. Without removing the need of an FC, there should be a way to make the outcome of battle more dependent on the performance of both team's squad members, and less on the FCs. And I am not talking about squad members that simply follow orders (like anchor, warp there, align to, shoot broadcast)....but in the ability TO DECIDE how to fly their ships in the middle of a fight and WHO to shoot at. Specially in large fights. Being an "F1 monkey" or "assist your drones and forget", both are not fun, and BOTH should go. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
4229
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Posted - 2013.09.20 17:52:00 -
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Random Majere wrote:+1 to OP.
I donGÇÖt like it !! ItGÇÖs boring as hell!! EFFICIENT! But boring.
This being said, I believe CCP should "reflect" on how they could make fleet fights more dynamic for regular squad members. Without removing the need of an FC, there should be a way to make the outcome of battle more dependent on the performance of both team's squad members, and less on the FCs. And I am not talking about squad members that simply follow orders (like anchor, warp there, align to, shoot broadcast)....but in the ability TO DECIDE how to fly their ships in the middle of a fight and WHO to shoot at. Specially in large fights. Being an "F1 monkey" or "assist your drones and forget", both are not fun, and BOTH should go.
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Murk Paradox
Duty.
The Cursed Few
526
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Posted - 2013.09.20 18:01:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Andski wrote:"don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves" I bet drone assist sympathizers would change their tune in a hurry if goons dropped 1000 dominix on them instead of 1000 megas
That's when we reship into bombers.
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Laserak
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.09.20 18:11:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:> Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas
The newbees/low SP players used to fly blackbirds until they were nerfed. What pray tell do you think the newbees should fly if not celestis?
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8761
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Posted - 2013.09.20 18:37:00 -
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he doesn't think newbies/low SP players should be useful at all
Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
440
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Posted - 2013.09.20 18:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:he doesn't think newbies/low SP players should be useful at all But blatantly making up stuff and attributing it to others should be, amirite?
You know, if it wasn't because you always do this, people might believe it. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4587
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Posted - 2013.09.20 18:52:00 -
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Laserak wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:> Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas The newbees/low SP players used to fly blackbirds until they were nerfed. What pray tell do you think the newbees should fly if not celestis?
Sounds about right. Gotta have all those damps.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8763
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Posted - 2013.09.20 19:17:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:> Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas
> Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps
> Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game
Is CFC.
> Gets owned by damp celestis
> Brings assisted sentry blob
> Gets owned anyway
> Loses war
> Claims victory
Is N3
Twitter: @EVEAndski
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