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JinSanJong Brethren Holdings Brethren. 43	Posted - 2013.09.20 10:27:00 - [1] - Quote Surely the ability to assign hundreds of drones to one ship breaks the mechanic/skills where you can only assign so many yourself based on mods/skills. Isn't there a reason for tha being implemented. This completely overrides that and really should be removed.
Arrunca Quator Finance 3	Posted - 2013.09.20 10:30:00 - [2] - Quote JinSanJong wrote: Surely the ability to assign hundreds of drones to one ship breaks the mechanic/skills where you can only assign so many yourself based on mods/skills. Isn't there a reason for tha being implemented. This completely overrides that and really should be removed. The mechanic is broken anyway, so no need to complain, its already as you want it.
JinSanJong Brethren Holdings Brethren. 43	Posted - 2013.09.20 12:42:00 - [3] - Quote Arrunca wrote: JinSanJong wrote: Surely the ability to assign hundreds of drones to one ship breaks the mechanic/skills where you can only assign so many yourself based on mods/skills. Isn't there a reason for tha being implemented. This completely overrides that and really should be removed. The mechanic is broken anyway, so no need to complain, its already as you want it. It's NOT HOW I wanted it at all hence the post duh
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1185	Posted - 2013.09.20 12:50:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah, I'm pretty confident drone-assign is on the list of stuff to look at. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Alphea Abbra Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 438	Posted - 2013.09.20 12:58:00 - [5] - Quote You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 524	Posted - 2013.09.20 13:04:00 - [6] - Quote You just want to protect your free bio and beer breaks. The the rest of us have like wait.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 1525	Posted - 2013.09.20 13:11:00 - [7] - Quote Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. yes but in a sentry drone fleet only the fc has to press a button, and all the sentries fire at the same time, this is the problem
Ka'Narlist Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 58	Posted - 2013.09.20 13:13:00 - [8] - Quote Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. Not exactly. When you broadcast a target there are allways people who shoot someone else instead or take longer to shoot then others so most of the time not everyone in fleet shoots the target at the same moment. With all drones assisting one ship they will all fire at the same moment so the alpha will be better. If everyone in fleet had to control his own drones to let them fire on a broadcasted target this would be the same as with normal alpha fleets.
Alphea Abbra Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 438	Posted - 2013.09.20 13:16:00 - [9] - Quote I can almost always do a biobreak in an alphafleet, so it's not really much of an issue there. And I'd rather do a combat biobreak in a battleship that is aligned than a cruiser or battlecruiser not aligned. As for the protection of my own self-interest, yeah, you mean like any other group? I get "free time" to use e-war/tackle/cap-war because my ship doesn't require the same degree of management that other weapon systems require. OTOH you can destroy my weapon systems if I use them. Instead of whining on forums about how OP it might be (Even though several CFC peeps said it was bad right after the Fountain war) how about doing what "you" (Although IIRC you were in -A- then) did to Raiden. in Tenal? Suicide several 250-man drake blobs into a sentry-fleet and I am sure CCP will notice it. Until then, you can either whine or you can bomb/smartbomb the sentries. Edit: Post above was to Onictus. Reply below is to the single-fire point by Benny & Ka: True, it's an FC that triggers with drones. I can assure you thought that not everyone has assisted the drones, and not everyone has the right drones or many other silly mistakes. It's not much different if you have people km-prostituting on other people with drones or 1400mm guns. Adding to that, it's very hard to destroy the guns of an alphafleet, and drones are notoriously hard to overheat. No, I don't see the issue.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 174	Posted - 2013.09.20 14:46:00 - [10] - Quote Posting in a I can't assist and hide behind POS shields thread.
Alphea Abbra Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 438	Posted - 2013.09.20 15:03:00 - [11] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Posting in a I can't assist and hide behind POS shields thread. Then you're in the wrong thread.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4660	Posted - 2013.09.20 15:06:00 - [12] - Quote The ability to slave literally thousands of weapons systems to one pilot is a bad mechanic and needs realistic limitations. Part of the flow of battle is determined by how disciplined one fleet is compared to another, and one person will always be able to react more quickly and efficiently than 1000 pilots all trying to follow orders. It disrupts the current balancing mechanics involved in large scale EVE combat, providing a significant advantage that was not intended. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8761	Posted - 2013.09.20 15:09:00 - [13] - Quote "one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys" Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1185	Posted - 2013.09.20 15:12:00 - [14] - Quote I think even more than "balance" issues, it is an inherently flawed mechanic that encourages more "not playing" instead of more actual playing. For that alone it needs to be hammered into the ground. I believe there are a maximum number of fighters that can be assigned to someone based on some skill they have, so just use that existing mechanism for all drones, qualified by bandwith if you like. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Tetsuo Tsukaya Pixel Navigators 147	Posted - 2013.09.20 15:55:00 - [15] - Quote Andski wrote: "one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys" Posting in a stealth "buff goon tears" thread
Alphea Abbra Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 439	Posted - 2013.09.20 15:56:00 - [16] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: I think even more than "balance" issues, it is an inherently flawed mechanic that encourages more "not playing" instead of more actual playing. For that alone it needs to be hammered into the ground If that is your reason then drone assist is fine. @Andski if you want to make up quotes at least make one up that is believable. Besides, even in your attempt at ridicule, yeah it's fine.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 524	Posted - 2013.09.20 15:57:00 - [17] - Quote Andski wrote: "one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys" Well was till he was primaried by 100 Celestis
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 524	Posted - 2013.09.20 16:01:00 - [18] - Quote We should definitely remove blackbirds and falcons from game. Hurray meta! This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8761	Posted - 2013.09.20 16:03:00 - [19] - Quote "don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves" Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Leigh Akiga State War Academy Caldari State 131	Posted - 2013.09.20 16:09:00 - [20] - Quote Andski wrote: "don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves" I bet drone assist sympathizers would change their tune in a hurry if goons dropped 1000 dominix on them instead of 1000 megas
Alphea Abbra Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 439	Posted - 2013.09.20 16:22:00 - [21] - Quote Leigh Akiga wrote: Andski wrote: "don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves" I bet drone assist sympathizers would change their tune in a hurry if goons dropped 1000 dominix on them instead of 1000 megas Rather, I think we'd realise that 1000 battleships would win either way. And not by any close margins. Besides, Andski is making up stuff to pull out his rectum to claim as quotes, don't put too much into it.
Leigh Akiga State War Academy Caldari State 131	Posted - 2013.09.20 16:26:00 - [22] - Quote Alphea Abbra wrote: Leigh Akiga wrote: Andski wrote: "don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves" I bet drone assist sympathizers would change their tune in a hurry if goons dropped 1000 dominix on them instead of 1000 megas Rather, I think we'd realise that 1000 battleships would win either way. And not by any close margins. Besides, Andski is making up stuff to pull out his rectum to claim as quotes, don't put too much into it. Except they would no longer need 1000 battleships any longer, but maybe 100-150 or so with a handful of triage
Random Majere Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda 104	Posted - 2013.09.20 16:53:00 - [23] - Quote +1 to OP. I donGÇÖt like it !! ItGÇÖs boring as hell!! EFFICIENT! But boring. This being said, I believe CCP should "reflect" on how they could make fleet fights more dynamic for regular squad members. Without removing the need of an FC, there should be a way to make the outcome of battle more dependent on the performance of both team's squad members, and less on the FCs. And I am not talking about squad members that simply follow orders (like anchor, warp there, align to, shoot broadcast)....but in the ability TO DECIDE how to fly their ships in the middle of a fight and WHO to shoot at. Specially in large fights. Being an "F1 monkey" or "assist your drones and forget", both are not fun, and BOTH should go.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4229	Posted - 2013.09.20 17:52:00 - [24] - Quote Random Majere wrote: +1 to OP. I donGÇÖt like it !! ItGÇÖs boring as hell!! EFFICIENT! But boring. This being said, I believe CCP should "reflect" on how they could make fleet fights more dynamic for regular squad members. Without removing the need of an FC, there should be a way to make the outcome of battle more dependent on the performance of both team's squad members, and less on the FCs. And I am not talking about squad members that simply follow orders (like anchor, warp there, align to, shoot broadcast)....but in the ability TO DECIDE how to fly their ships in the middle of a fight and WHO to shoot at. Specially in large fights. Being an "F1 monkey" or "assist your drones and forget", both are not fun, and BOTH should go. .
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 526	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:01:00 - [25] - Quote Leigh Akiga wrote: Andski wrote: "don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves" I bet drone assist sympathizers would change their tune in a hurry if goons dropped 1000 dominix on them instead of 1000 megas That's when we reship into bombers. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Laserak GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 83	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:11:00 - [26] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas The newbees/low SP players used to fly blackbirds until they were nerfed. What pray tell do you think the newbees should fly if not celestis?
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8761	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:37:00 - [27] - Quote he doesn't think newbies/low SP players should be useful at all Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Alphea Abbra Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 440	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:42:00 - [28] - Quote Andski wrote: he doesn't think newbies/low SP players should be useful at all But blatantly making up stuff and attributing it to others should be, amirite? You know, if it wasn't because you always do this, people might believe it.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:52:00 - [29] - Quote Laserak wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas The newbees/low SP players used to fly blackbirds until they were nerfed. What pray tell do you think the newbees should fly if not celestis? Sounds about right. Gotta have all those damps. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8763	Posted - 2013.09.20 19:17:00 - [30] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. > Gets owned by damp celestis > Brings assisted sentry blob > Gets owned anyway > Loses war > Claims victory Is N3 Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 19:31:00 - [31] - Quote Andski wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. > Gets owned by damp celestis > Brings assisted sentry blob > Gets owned anyway > Loses war > Claims victory Is N3 "only there because it was virtually the only place there is action" Welp test died, no more action cya There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:05:00 - [32] - Quote Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. Alpha fleet still relies on people working in unison and has a long cycle time between targets as a detriment. That cycle time also means a single screw up can ripple down the chain of targets pulling them further out of sync and potentially catching reps. This can be further exploited by jamming/scan res damping only a portion of the fleet while optimal range/tracking disrupting the rest. No fleet should have EWAR immunity by simply switching drone bunny and remote sebo's to the one guy not being affected and apply full dps. Sentries have a high rate of fire and don't rely on single shot damage to drop a target. It's more the fact of scrolling back and forth through an overview and broadcasting reps as soon as a single person starts yellow boxing you that bothers me. At least bringing a hundred celestis requires user input and coordination from players to neuter enemy logistics. At least when Alpha fleet primaries you, you get some ample warning what's about to happen and a chance to overheat hardeners/warp out. If you miss the one yellow box from a drone bunny with 250 sentries assigned you just suddenly take tons of damage and by then it's too late to react. I don't mind the unified trigger so much as the fact the drone boat doesn't need to lock its target. In fact, it doesn't even need to be capable of locking the target. It can apply dps out to 200+ KM with a 90k lock range. I think forcing the drone boat to lock the target for assisted sentry drones to fire would resolve much of the issue people have with it. At least with other drones there's travel time involved, letting you know you're about to take massive damage. Even bombs have a 10 second flight time letting you pull drones and otherwise react. Even if you manage to have the drones (smart)bombed the effect is limited as carrier support lets you refit additional drones - the drone bay size is not effectively a limit on a large scale encounter. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 217	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:14:00 - [33] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:37:00 - [34] - Quote Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. But how else would I bring three characters to the same fleet without isboxer and hope to pretend I'm actually playing them all properly, executing alpha strikes in unison? You can't counter the blob so I have to be my own blob! Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Alphea Abbra Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 440	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:40:00 - [35] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: At least when Alpha fleet primaries you, you get some ample warning what's about to happen and a chance to overheat hardeners/warp out. If you miss the one yellow box from a drone bunny with 250 sentries assigned you just suddenly take tons of damage and by then it's too late to react. I'm kinda floored, this is clearly a legitimate point against drone assisting that I hadn't realised. I'm not even being sarcastic. I've seen a lot of complaints against assisting, and this is the first legitimate one. I don't have an answer to you. Locking targets or whatever could be a part of it, dunno. Right now I'm just sad that there was a legitimate complaint that I hadn't thought of.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4230	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:42:00 - [36] - Quote Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. I like how you are implying the drone assist will cause CCP to lose money. .
Johan Civire The Lyran Empire 643	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:48:00 - [37] - Quote Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. This guy is the king of trolling. In every post he try to make CCP the worst people on the planet. Says CCP is wrong on so many levels thats whats he is saying. Dude why are you playing if you hate this game? However this is not the case right now. Stop trolling thanks.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4230	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:51:00 - [38] - Quote Drone assist mechanic, the end of EVE Online as we know it. You heard it here first everyone. .
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:52:00 - [39] - Quote Alphea Abbra wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: At least when Alpha fleet primaries you, you get some ample warning what's about to happen and a chance to overheat hardeners/warp out. If you miss the one yellow box from a drone bunny with 250 sentries assigned you just suddenly take tons of damage and by then it's too late to react. I'm kinda floored, this is clearly a legitimate point against drone assisting that I hadn't realised. I'm not even being sarcastic. I've seen a lot of complaints against assisting, and this is the first legitimate one. I don't have an answer to you. Locking targets or whatever could be a part of it, dunno. Right now I'm just sad that there was a legitimate complaint that I hadn't thought of. Then there's the "everyone lock two random guys" - everyone is yellow boxed by someone. You don't know who actually controls the drones. How do you broadcast reps and even attempt to logi? Even in a small fleet where the alpha is far from instagib, you have to turn to "broadcast for reps when you actually take damage, pray your hardener is about to cycle and the scan res damped logi locks in time". Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Revman Zim Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 194	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:55:00 - [40] - Quote I guess I will give some background to why this "issue" is being brought up. About a week ago (too lazy to check KB) N3 defended a POS from CFC. The bulk of the fleet was in Ishtars with T2 Sentries. We deployed our drones outside of the POS shields, assisted them to the Trigger and then moved to just inside the POS shields. CFC showed up and got FACERAPED. That is why they and their alts are here whining. Instead of figuring out a counter, they will whine on the forums and to CCP about how the game is "unfair" and how game mechanics are being used to cheat their blob. Which seems pretty ironic. Now, I will say that if someone with some smarts, moved a SBing BS into the ball of sentries, they would have wiped our entire DPS off the field. But that is too "hard". Yes this is my main. No I don't give a ****.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 3408	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:03:00 - [41] - Quote The bigger the alliance, the greater the meta weapon (forums) effectiveness. Somebody got beaten somewhere.
Aliventi Stimulus Rote Kapelle 430	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:03:00 - [42] - Quote It's not OP/broken until you are alphaing carriers with sub-caps: Link "tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 526	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:09:00 - [43] - Quote I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:15:00 - [44] - Quote Revman Zim wrote: Now, I will say that if someone with some smarts, moved a SBing BS into the ball of sentries, they would have wiped our entire DPS off the field. But that is too "hard". The last time I was in a battleship on the pointy end of 300 sentry drones it went like this: 00:00 Hey I got bombed, my shields are gone 00:45 **** I'm getting shot 40% armor le 00:49 Kaboom 00:50 Get the pod out! Forgive me if I don't agree with your smrt idea of "just move A smartbombing battleship in". And to further counter your point, a SMA will allow you to refit drones from cargo to drone bay inside the bubble and simply dump another lot on the other side of the POS. Furthermore, you imply you were dumb enough to stack them all in one place rather than distribute the drones around the POS to protect them from bombing runs. Also, this was brought up weeks before the incident you are referring to, so your insight is marginally useful. And thanks for pointing out how not-broken it is for a fleet to apply full damage out to 200+ km, while effectively invulnerable inside a POS shield. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:17:00 - [45] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 526	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:27:00 - [46] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble. Hmm? Explain. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:30:00 - [47] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble. Hmm? Explain. Carriers have to stick out of a POS bubble to use fighters. Links can't be turned on inside a POS with the exception of Mining links, which still work. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 217	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:33:00 - [48] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. I like how you are implying the drone assist will cause CCP to lose money. Nope. My point was that for line members flying drone assist doctrines is incredibly boring and they will just stop showing up for fleets.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 526	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:47:00 - [49] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble. Hmm? Explain. Carriers have to stick out of a POS bubble to use fighters. Links can't be turned on inside a POS with the exception of Mining links, which still work. Uh, yess.... that is what brought on my comment. I do not understand where you thought I implied mining though. (Falcon deemed using drones as assist from within a pos an exploit) This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:58:00 - [50] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: I do not understand where you thought I implied mining though. I didn't. It was a tongue in cheek comment pointing out how you used OGB as a baseline, which explicitly makes exceptions for the mining variety. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Prince Kobol 921	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:02:00 - [51] - Quote Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. I way ahead of you :) I hate drone fleets with a passion, so much so that I point blank refuse to go on them. I would rather fly my logi alt, at least I will have something to other other than warp to target, assist drones , surf the net until everything is dead or I am..
Doris Dents GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 247	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:23:00 - [52] - Quote Elite PVP coalition arguing what little individual pilot input there is in large fleet fights should be stripped out. Goons arguing for higher skillcap PVP and more pilot involvement. It's bizzaro EVE. They think for some magic reason we can't use drone assist. It's not like supers guys, it doesn't take billions of isk and putting a high SP character in a space coffin to jump on the bandwagon.
Five Finger Army School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:30:00 - [53] - Quote It's kinda useless anyway unless there's a drag to fleet, fleet jump and fleet launch drone button for the FC. I'd gladly leave my accounts logged on 23.5/7 and make them available to all of the above as long as I just don't have to participate in the mindless herds nullsec fights are made of.
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 220	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:35:00 - [54] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: I way ahead of you :) I hate drone fleets with a passion, so much so that I point blank refuse to go on them. I would rather fly my logi alt, at least I will have something to other other than warp to target, assist drones , surf the net until everything is dead or I am.. Well there you go. When people are willing to fly logis before drone assist doctrine ships we don't really need to say anything else on the matter.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:50:00 - [55] - Quote Doris Dents wrote: Elite PVP coalition arguing what little individual pilot input there is in large fleet fights should be stripped out. Goons arguing for higher skillcap PVP and more pilot involvement. It's bizzaro EVE. They think for some magic reason we can't use drone assist. It's not like supers guys, it doesn't take billions of isk and putting a high SP character in a space coffin to jump on the bandwagon. Seriously? A good number of us have gallente battleship trained, and sentry drones... we're blobbers, we can make a bigger blob, is anyone surprised at all bythe revelation that we blob? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:50:00 - [56] - Quote Seriously, where is our drone assist doctrine, I thought we were getting one, now I'm a little jealous. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1192	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:56:00 - [57] - Quote You can assist your drones to me any day. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
PotatoOverdose SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 150	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:58:00 - [58] - Quote Bomb and/or smartbomb = all sentry drones dead, no? Can't help but think there might me more important problems to fix, y'know like POS's themselves. Like the planned modular POS's. That wouldn't have this problem. Because no forcefields and all that. But no, who wants to fix the underlying problem, amirite?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:00:00 - [59] - Quote Time to file a complaint form FK.U under section 4: Jealous of others' fleet doctrines There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4231	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:22:00 - [60] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Bomb and/or smartbomb = all sentry drones dead, no? Can't help but think there might me more important problems to fix, y'know like POS's themselves. Like the planned modular POS's. That wouldn't have this problem. Because no forcefields and all that. But no, who wants to fix the underlying problem, amirite? They can also just ungroup guns, free fire on all the sentries and then smile on the defanged drone ships. But, that would require something beyond bashing the F1 key with their chubby fingers. .
James Amril-Kesh Goonswarm Federation 5787	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:23:00 - [61] - Quote Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: Andski wrote: "one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys" Posting in a stealth "buff goon tears" thread "Goon tears" Really now? My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013
James Amril-Kesh Goonswarm Federation 5787	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:25:00 - [62] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Seriously, where is our drone assist doctrine, I thought we were getting one, now I'm a little jealous. RAZOR had/has one. I only got to fly it once before my corp left to join you guys. My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:29:00 - [63] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Seriously, where is our drone assist doctrine, I thought we were getting one, now I'm a little jealous. RAZOR had/has one. I only got to fly it once before my corp left to join you guys. Wait ... Ah, you're in that corp that joined GSF. Welcome There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Mekkimaru Abraxsys Get Off My Lawn 6	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:30:00 - [64] - Quote some1 pls halp i can no longer assist my drones and go afk to get kills, while i am in absolute safety inside my POS, i actually have to venture outside my POS and put my ships at risk in order to get kills CCP pls m8 halp "What you don't get is that EvE is the most handholding, casual game ever. It is like farmville. No competition for people that want to put time in it. EvE is the most casual game of all times." - Caesarion Prime 2013
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:33:00 - [65] - Quote Mekkimaru wrote: some1 pls halp i can no longer assist my drones and go afk to get kills, while i am in absolute safety inside my POS, i actually have to venture outside my POS and put my ships at risk in order to get kills CCP pls m8 halp Hmm... I see There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 221	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:37:00 - [66] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: require something beyond bashing the F1 key lol
James Amril-Kesh Goonswarm Federation 5787	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:39:00 - [67] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Seriously, where is our drone assist doctrine, I thought we were getting one, now I'm a little jealous. RAZOR had/has one. I only got to fly it once before my corp left to join you guys. Wait ... Ah, you're in that corp that joined GSF. Welcome Yep. Phreeze even saw fit to write a TMC article about it. His style of journalism is more suited to E24 though... My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 929	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:40:00 - [68] - Quote My thoughts on the matter are: It's a bullshit mechanic. Possibly one of the top 5 bullshit mechanics in EVE. Even the people who used it in the instance it was just banned in don't deny that. Everyone is just trying to point the hypocrite finger at each other, and I don't really care one way or another. This does show that it's on CCPs radar though. And a drone rework is long, long overdue. I'd like to see it as a major feature of Winter, alongside Drone Region reworks, etc. A whole drone themed expac. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 221	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:04:00 - [69] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: My thoughts on the matter are: It's a bullshit mechanic. Possibly one of the top 5 bullshit mechanics in EVE. Even the people who used it in the instance it was just banned in don't deny that. Everyone is just trying to point the hypocrite finger at each other, and I don't really care one way or another. This does show that it's on CCPs radar though. And a drone rework is long, long overdue. I'd like to see it as a major feature of Winter, alongside Drone Region reworks, etc. A whole drone themed expac. Just to be clear the exploit was pilots assigning their drones and then hiding in a POS where they couldn't be shot. The fundamental mechanic of assigning drones isn't an exploit but it's pretty obvious that the way some groups are using it is broken gameplay that should be addressed.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4588	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:08:00 - [70] - Quote Rhes wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: My thoughts on the matter are: It's a bullshit mechanic. Possibly one of the top 5 bullshit mechanics in EVE. Even the people who used it in the instance it was just banned in don't deny that. Everyone is just trying to point the hypocrite finger at each other, and I don't really care one way or another. This does show that it's on CCPs radar though. And a drone rework is long, long overdue. I'd like to see it as a major feature of Winter, alongside Drone Region reworks, etc. A whole drone themed expac. Just to be clear the exploit was pilots assigning their drones and then hiding in a POS where they couldn't be shot. The fundamental mechanic of assigning drones isn't an exploit but it's pretty obvious that the way some groups are using it is broken gameplay that should be addressed. Huh, that's pretty innovative. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4232	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:12:00 - [71] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: My thoughts on the matter are: It's a bullshit mechanic. Possibly one of the top 5 bullshit mechanics in EVE. Even the people who used it in the instance it was just banned in don't deny that. Everyone is just trying to point the hypocrite finger at each other, and I don't really care one way or another. This does show that it's on CCPs radar though. And a drone rework is long, long overdue. I'd like to see it as a major feature of Winter, alongside Drone Region reworks, etc. A whole drone themed expac. Drone implants please. .
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8774	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:17:00 - [72] - Quote Revman Zim wrote: I guess I will give some background to why this "issue" is being brought up. About a week ago (too lazy to check KB) N3 defended a POS from CFC. The bulk of our fleet was in Ishtars with T2 Sentries. We deployed our drones outside of the POS shields, assisted them to the Trigger and then moved to just inside the POS shields. CFC showed up and got FACERAPED. That is why they and their alts are here whining. Instead of figuring out a counter, they will whine on the forums and to CCP about how the game is "unfair" and how game mechanics are being used to cheat their blob. Which seems pretty ironic. Now, I will say that if someone with some smarts, moved a SBing BS into the ball of sentries, they would have wiped our entire DPS off the field. But that is too "hard". Yes this is my main. No I don't give a ****. tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield lol, s2n Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4232	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:19:00 - [73] - Quote Rhes wrote: Just to be clear the exploit was pilots assigning their drones and then hiding in a POS where they couldn't be shot. The fundamental mechanic of assigning drones isn't an exploit but it's pretty obvious that the way some groups are using it is broken gameplay that should be addressed. Wow. N3 gets creative to find a viable counter to CFCs use of 'damps on EVERYTHING!' and now it is being regarded as broken gameplay. .
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8774	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:21:00 - [74] - Quote ahahaha yeah let's call straight up exploiting "being creative" if we did that you and the chaff that make up your dumpster grade coalition would be bawwwing all over the forums about the big bad goon exploits Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8774	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:22:00 - [75] - Quote it's totally unfair that ccp declared an exploit that allows you to engage in a fight without being at risk an exploit clearly, ccp works against you Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8774	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:22:00 - [76] - Quote this is why your alliance is trash Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Aiwha Infinite Point Nulli Secunda 570	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:24:00 - [77] - Quote Posting in a stealth BL tears thread. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1192	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:25:00 - [78] - Quote Andski wrote: this is why your alliance is trash ...among other reasons. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
PotatoOverdose SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:47:00 - [79] - Quote Andski wrote: tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield How many bombs does it take to kill a sentry drone?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4588	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:49:00 - [80] - Quote Are there any other tricks you can do in a pos There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4232	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:52:00 - [81] - Quote Andski wrote: it's totally unfair that ccp declared an exploit that allows you to engage in a fight without being at risk an exploit clearly, ccp works against you Stop twisting my words. I am talking about the mechanic drone assist and nothing else. You keep bringing up a POS exploit and proclaiming I support the use is such an exploit. Stop lying. Enough with the straw man already. .
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8774	Posted - 2013.09.21 01:00:00 - [82] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Andski wrote: tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield How many bombs does it take to kill a sentry drone? "you should be able to take part in a fight while only putting a flight of sentries at risk" - you Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8774	Posted - 2013.09.21 01:04:00 - [83] - Quote this is why your coalition is garbage and only good as a buffer for ncdot/pl renters Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 221	Posted - 2013.09.21 01:09:00 - [84] - Quote Andski wrote: tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield lol, s2n Come on man...all you have to do is reinforce the POS and then come back when the timer is up and kill the POS and those ships will be vulnerable. Perfectly reasonable. Can somebody from N3 tell me how to make my ishtar have the EHP of a large POS in EFT?
PotatoOverdose SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.09.21 01:12:00 - [85] - Quote Andski wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Andski wrote: tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield How many bombs does it take to kill a sentry drone? "you should be able to take part in a fight while only putting a flight of sentries at risk" - you "straw man" -you
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 826	Posted - 2013.09.21 01:37:00 - [86] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. Alpha fleet still relies on people working in unison and has a long cycle time between targets as a detriment. That cycle time also means a single screw up can ripple down the chain of targets pulling them further out of sync and potentially catching reps. This can be further exploited by jamming/scan res damping only a portion of the fleet while optimal range/tracking disrupting the rest. No fleet should have EWAR immunity by simply switching drone bunny and remote sebo's to the one guy not being affected and apply full dps. Sentries have a high rate of fire and don't rely on single shot damage to drop a target. It's more the fact of scrolling back and forth through an overview and broadcasting reps as soon as a single person starts yellow boxing you that bothers me. At least bringing a hundred celestis requires user input and coordination from players to neuter enemy logistics. At least when Alpha fleet primaries you, you get some ample warning what's about to happen and a chance to overheat hardeners/warp out. If you miss the one yellow box from a drone bunny with 250 sentries assigned you just suddenly take tons of damage and by then it's too late to react. I don't mind the unified trigger so much as the fact the drone boat doesn't need to lock its target. In fact, it doesn't even need to be capable of locking the target. It can apply dps out to 200+ KM with a 90k lock range. I think forcing the drone boat to lock the target for assisted sentry drones to fire would resolve much of the issue people have with it. At least with other drones there's travel time involved, letting you know you're about to take massive damage. Even bombs have a 10 second flight time letting you pull drones and otherwise react. Even if you manage to have the drones (smart)bombed the effect is limited as carrier support lets you refit additional drones - the drone bay size is not effectively a limit on a large scale encounter. Can't overheat Drones. Can destroy drones without destroying the launching ship. Sentry Drones don't move.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4588	Posted - 2013.09.21 01:42:00 - [87] - Quote Rhes wrote: Andski wrote: tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield lol, s2n Come on man...all you have to do is reinforce the POS and then come back when the timer is up and kill the POS and those ships will be vulnerable. Perfectly reasonable. Can somebody from N3 tell me how to make my ishtar have the EHP of a large POS in EFT? Does EFT even handle reinforce timers There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 211	Posted - 2013.09.23 17:44:00 - [88] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Andski wrote: tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield How many bombs does it take to kill ahundreds of sentry drones spread around a 70 KM diamater sphere? FYP. Irrelevant, because they can just drop more poking out of various points around the bubble to replenish them. Also, being in a POS, they can refill the drone bay until they literally run out of however many drones they stockpiled before the fight. Unless you don't hell bubble the POS, in which case they can just ferry more in to resupply until they run out of money. Alavaria Fera wrote: Are there any other tricks you can do in a pos You can always sit a few hundred meters from the pos bubble with AB on and duck in the shield when you get primaried. Just don't forget to recall or abandon sentries first, I hear that causes bad things to happen. Unless they use a drone assist doctrine too, because then you can't tell at all when 1200 dudes are about to volley you out of nowhere. Who needs Celestis anyway? Just reship the noobs into warden vexors or something. Kitty Bear wrote: Can't overheat Drones. Can destroy drones without destroying the launching ship. Sentry Drones don't move. Don't have to reload drones. But you can reload drones! When you launch a thousand rounds of Antimatter it doesn't follow you to the next system either. Show me another weapon system that doesn't require locking a target (or even being capable of locking it before ewar is applied!) and scales up to a full 255 man fleet and beyond. (Hint: It's not bombs) Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 836	Posted - 2013.09.23 18:19:00 - [89] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: When you launch a thousand rounds of Antimatter it doesn't follow you to the next system either. Show me another weapon system that doesn't require locking a target (or even being capable of locking it before ewar is applied!) and scales up to a full 255 man fleet and beyond. (Hint: It's not bombs) That's Fighters ... Fighters are manned and therefore not Drones. Fighters are also not launched from Battleships. Hmmm that's tricky .. oh wait no it isn't ... Show me another ship that can have it's primary weapon system destroyed, without the ship itself being damaged that is not a drone boat. CCP have already stated which aspect of the 'drone assist' command is classed as an exploit ... all other uses fall under the 'emergent gameplay' category ... It's not like it's hard to counter.
Ciaphas Cyne Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance 40	Posted - 2013.09.23 18:44:00 - [90] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. yes but in a sentry drone fleet only the fc has to press a button, and all the sentries fire at the same time, this is the problem that should be the last word really. its kinda cheap and takes away from the social side of the game. you shouldnt be able to fire your friends ships guns.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 836	Posted - 2013.09.23 18:56:00 - [91] - Quote Drones are not guns Drones are remotely controlled weapons platforms They have guns fitted to them It's a subtle distinction, I can see why it could confuse you.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4600	Posted - 2013.09.23 18:57:00 - [92] - Quote Ciaphas Cyne wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. yes but in a sentry drone fleet only the fc has to press a button, and all the sentries fire at the same time, this is the problem that should be the last word really. its kinda cheap and takes away from the social side of the game. you shouldnt be able to fire your friends ships guns. When goons finally learned to synchronize F1 pressing, someone realized you could just assign drones. CFC: Forever behind the curve in elite pvp skills There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 698	Posted - 2013.09.23 19:13:00 - [93] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Ciaphas Cyne wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. yes but in a sentry drone fleet only the fc has to press a button, and all the sentries fire at the same time, this is the problem that should be the last word really. its kinda cheap and takes away from the social side of the game. you shouldnt be able to fire your friends ships guns. When goons finally learned to synchronize F1 pressing, someone realized you could just assign drones. CFC: Forever behind the curve in elite pvp skills The real question is what will they do when you guys finally learn to assist your sentries while useing your already trained gallente battleship skill from the baltec fleet to fly domi. Technically they will turn to bombers because they keep saying it's an efficient counter so tell the higher ups to also start plannign an anti bomber doctrine to counter thier counter.
Ciaphas Cyne Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance 41	Posted - 2013.09.23 19:22:00 - [94] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: Drones are not guns Drones are remotely controlled weapons platforms They have guns fitted to them It's a subtle distinction, I can see why it could confuse you. i have one piece of cheese on the plate. i also have one piece of cheese on top of a sandwich. how many pieces of cheese do i have? do i still have a sandwich if i remove the cheese from it? think about these questions for a little and then get back to me on your /trollfail
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 698	Posted - 2013.09.23 19:50:00 - [95] - Quote Rhes wrote: Andski wrote: tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield lol, s2n Come on man...all you have to do is reinforce the POS and then come back when the timer is up and kill the POS and those ships will be vulnerable. Perfectly reasonable. Can somebody from N3 tell me how to make my ishtar have the EHP of a large POS in EFT? Use Pyfa and edit a 3 trillion mm plate in the module database then fit it to your ishtar. Making up new module is not any more stupid than beliving some weapon system should be usable while your ship is safe behind a POS shield anyway.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 529	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:25:00 - [96] - Quote Andski wrote: ahahaha yeah let's call straight up exploiting "being creative" if we did that you and the chaff that make up your dumpster grade coalition would be bawwwing all over the forums about the big bad goon exploits That's how bumping was allowed. /shrug This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 529	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:29:00 - [97] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Andski wrote: tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield How many bombs does it take to kill ahundreds of sentry drones spread around a 70 KM diamater sphere? FYP. Irrelevant, because they can just drop more poking out of various points around the bubble to replenish them. Also, being in a POS, they can refill the drone bay until they literally run out of however many drones they stockpiled before the fight. Unless you don't hell bubble the POS, in which case they can just ferry more in to resupply until they run out of money. So out of curiosity... if you kept a few snipers out of range of the sentry drones and moved the fleet to the other side of the pos.... That wouldn't work to adapt? Hell, you can warp through a pos. Perch points aren't hard to figure out or re make. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 529	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:30:00 - [98] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Show me another weapon system that doesn't require locking a target (or even being capable of locking it before ewar is applied!) and scales up to a full 255 man fleet and beyond. (Hint: It's not bombs) Hurray FOF missiles! Oh wait. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 529	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:31:00 - [99] - Quote Ciaphas Cyne wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. yes but in a sentry drone fleet only the fc has to press a button, and all the sentries fire at the same time, this is the problem that should be the last word really. its kinda cheap and takes away from the social side of the game. you shouldnt be able to fire your friends ships guns. Nerf isboxer! Wrong thread btw sir. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 529	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:32:00 - [100] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Ciaphas Cyne wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. yes but in a sentry drone fleet only the fc has to press a button, and all the sentries fire at the same time, this is the problem that should be the last word really. its kinda cheap and takes away from the social side of the game. you shouldnt be able to fire your friends ships guns. When goons finally learned to synchronize F1 pressing, someone realized you could just assign drones. CFC: Forever behind the curve in elite pvp skills The real question is what will they do when you guys finally learn to assist your sentries while useing your already trained gallente battleship skill from the baltec fleet to fly domi. Technically they will turn to bombers because they keep saying it's an efficient counter so tell the higher ups to also start plannign an anti bomber doctrine to counter thier counter. Smartbomb battleship to the rescuuuuuue! This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
PotatoOverdose SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 154	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:35:00 - [101] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: So out of curiosity... if you kept a few snipers out of range of the sentry drones and moved the fleet to the other side of the pos.... That wouldn't work to adapt? Hell, you can warp through a pos. Perch points aren't hard to figure out or re make. But that would require the tiniest bit of ~effort~. Also a tiny bit of thought. Much easier to cry on Mommy CCP's bosom.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 529	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:40:00 - [102] - Quote Corp A sits inside pos and deploys drones(not outside of pos YET. Corp B afks to write a tear fueled rage post on exploits. Corp A pipebombs with the use of a titan. Meta. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 211	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:56:00 - [103] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: That's Fighters ... Fighters are manned and therefore not Drones. Fighters are also not launched from Battleships. Your initial response for similar mechanics is basically the capital ship variant of the exact same thing? Kitty Bear wrote: Hmmm that's tricky .. oh wait no it isn't ... Auto-targeting missiles do work that way. Note how they also shoot more or less random targets deliberately to prevent this kind of focus fire circumventing targeting mechanics. Which means they don't scale into a thousand pilots using them to alpha strike priority targets. And by a thousand I mean the coordination of 4-5 people. Kitty Bear wrote: Show me another ship that can have it's primary weapon system destroyed, without the ship itself being damaged that is not a drone boat. Every non-drone boat can have its weapons destroyed. Luckily, drone boats don't have to worry about burning out their guns. I'm sure some people would like to grumble about ECM and Damps here as well. Show me another ship that is completely immune to EWAR that is not a supercap. Kitty Bear wrote: CCP have already stated which aspect of the 'drone assist' command is classed as an exploit ... all other uses fall under the 'emergent gameplay' category ... It's not like it's hard to counter. Since you are such an expert in fighting against them, please tell me how you go about logistics against a sentry assist fleet. More specifically: - Each enemy drone boat has a sensor dampener fitted and is damping one random line member - The enemy drone bunny is a random line drone boat following target broadcasts, that may or may not be changing over the course of the fight. Please tell us what are the rep broadcast directives that your fleet will employ, to make sure only the person actually taking sentry fire is broadcasting for reps and Logi can lock the person taking fire before they die. Let alone try to catch reps. Kitty Bear wrote: [edit] There is another weapon system in the game, that effectively uses no ammunition either. Tech 1 Crystals never degrade, and are therefore infinite Guess we need to bring that oversight to CCP's attention too, get those Amarrians nerfed with their free laser shows. Sure! Maybe then I also won't need to bring 32,000 rounds of navy MF, 8,000 rounds of Scorch, 8,000 rounds of Conflag and another 32,000 rounds of long range tracking ammo every time I undock - and have a separate set of for each ship. Gets expensive when you welp with 80-112 thousand rounds in the hold all the time. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4600	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:00:00 - [104] - Quote Officer smartbomb titan on a gate? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 211	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:06:00 - [105] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: So out of curiosity... if you kept a few snipers out of range of the sentry drones and moved the fleet to the other side of the pos.... That wouldn't work to adapt? Hell, you can warp through a pos. Perch points aren't hard to figure out or re make. You can fit a Domi to have 200km drone control range, 191km optimal and 30k falloff with Wardens or 153+42 with bouncers without sacrificing tank. hard to dance around that even before considering dics/hics/anchored bubbles. It can only lock out to 87km and has 112 scan res, but fortunately sentry assisting doesn't stop to consider silly things like range or time for locking targets. The domi only has to be within drone control range of the target, the insta locking remote sensor boosted bunny takes care of the rest. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 836	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:23:00 - [106] - Quote so ..... 200km control range 191+30km optimal+fall off your issue is with some dubious theory-crafted eft-warrior fail-fit dominix [High] 6x Drone Link Augmentor II [Mids] 5x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II [Lows] whatever [Rigs] whatever actually fail-fit isn't a good enough description for just how bad and stupid theory-crafting 'possible' fittings can take you into the realms of delusional lunacy. get a job, a life, professional help ... something anything
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4600	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:33:00 - [107] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: So out of curiosity... if you kept a few snipers out of range of the sentry drones and moved the fleet to the other side of the pos.... That wouldn't work to adapt? Hell, you can warp through a pos. Perch points aren't hard to figure out or re make. You can fit a Domi to have 200km drone control range, 191km optimal and 30k falloff with Wardens or 153+42 with bouncers without sacrificing tank. hard to dance around that even before considering dics/hics/anchored bubbles. It can only lock out to 87km and has 112 scan res, but fortunately sentry assisting doesn't stop to consider silly things like range or time for locking targets. The domi only has to be within drone control range of the target, the insta locking remote sensor boosted bunny takes care of the rest. Who needs tank when you're attacking from inside a pos shield anyway There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
PotatoOverdose SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 154	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:35:00 - [108] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: So out of curiosity... if you kept a few snipers out of range of the sentry drones and moved the fleet to the other side of the pos.... That wouldn't work to adapt? Hell, you can warp through a pos. Perch points aren't hard to figure out or re make. You can fit a Domi to have 200km drone control range, 191km optimal and 30k falloff with Wardens or 153+42 with bouncers without sacrificing tank. hard to dance around that even before considering dics/hics/anchored bubbles. It can only lock out to 87km and has 112 scan res, but fortunately sentry assisting doesn't stop to consider silly things like range or time for locking targets. The domi only has to be within drone control range of the target, the insta locking remote sensor boosted bunny takes care of the rest. Who needs tank when you're attacking from inside a pos shield anyway Oddly enough, those same sniper ships killing sentries might have a thing or two to say about shitfit Domi's popping out of POS shields to replace drones.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 836	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:48:00 - [109] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: That's Fighters ... Fighters are manned and therefore not Drones. Fighters are also not launched from Battleships. Your initial response for similar mechanics is basically the capital ship variant of the exact same thing? Not even remotely the same A Carrier pilot can assign upto 5 Fighters to whoever he/she chooses. Its upto 5 and no more than 5, because each fighter assigned utilises the [max drones in space] count of the assignee, not the ship that launched them. reason 2 why Fighters are not Drones. reason 3 is drones don't chase your gimpy ass down when you run away.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4601	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:52:00 - [110] - Quote Actually what kind of tank does a sniper ship have to shoot at 200km, how well does it target a small sentry drone, and how fast will it die to 250 Dominixes worth of sentry drones There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 211	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:01:00 - [111] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: so ..... your issue is with some dubious theory-crafted eft-warrior fail-fit dominix Actually, if you so much as pretended to read the thread, you would realize: My issue is with scrolling through an overview with over 200 targets on grid, looking for the one yellow box that means I have to overheat hardeners and broadcast for reps. While ignoring the other yellow boxes that are trying to troll me into flooding my logi's target list with random people. I have no way to tell if Ishtar137's lock on me will be followed by nothing, ewar, or the combined fire of a thousand sentries. The effect of the late broadcasts only gets compounded with scan res damped logistics trying to keep up with a remote sensor boosted drone anchor chewing through targets. Oddly enough, requiring the drone boat to lock the target for the assisted drones to fire fixes this issue. You know when you get primaried and can react. You have to sebo the whole fleet again if you want fast locks and have to deal with EWAR. It also fixes the "hiding in POS" problem in one fell swoop, because you can't lock people while inside a POS. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 211	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:10:00 - [112] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: That's Fighters ... Fighters are manned and therefore not Drones. Fighters are also not launched from Battleships. Your initial response for similar mechanics is basically the capital ship variant of the exact same thing? Not even remotely the same A Carrier pilot can assign upto 5 Fighters to whoever he/she chooses. Its upto 5 and no more than 5, because each fighter assigned utilises the [max drones in space] count of the assignee, not the ship that launched them. reason 2 why Fighters are not Drones. reason 3 is drones don't chase your gimpy ass down when you run away. Maybe assisted sentries should work like that too. You can only control as many as your drone skill level. So you can still assist 5 sentries to a slasher for instalock and remote-triggered application even through EWAR and whatnot, but you need a newbie in a frigate per battleship whom you can trust to activate your guns for you. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 836	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:03:00 - [113] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: so ..... your issue is with some dubious theory-crafted eft-warrior fail-fit dominix Actually, if you so much as pretended to read the thread, you would realize: My issue is with scrolling through an overview with over 200 targets on grid, looking for the one yellow box that means I have to overheat hardeners and broadcast for reps. While ignoring the other yellow boxes that are trying to troll me into flooding my logi's target list with random people. I have no way to tell if Ishtar137's lock on me will be followed by nothing, ewar, or the combined fire of a thousand sentries. The effect of the late broadcasts only gets compounded with scan res damped logistics trying to keep up with a remote sensor boosted drone anchor chewing through targets. Oddly enough, requiring the drone boat to lock the target for the assisted drones to fire fixes this issue. You know when you get primaried and can react. You have to sebo the whole fleet again if you want fast locks and have to deal with EWAR. It also fixes the "hiding in POS" problem in one fell swoop, because you can't lock people while inside a POS. there is no hiding in a POS whilst utilising sentries CCP already declared it an exploit so actually your whining about that something that is now irrelevant and reportable if you do encounter it
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 212	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:06:00 - [114] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: so ..... your issue is with some dubious theory-crafted eft-warrior fail-fit dominix Actually, if you so much as pretended to read the thread, you would realize: My issue is with scrolling through an overview with over 200 targets on grid, looking for the one yellow box that means I have to overheat hardeners and broadcast for reps. While ignoring the other yellow boxes that are trying to troll me into flooding my logi's target list with random people. I have no way to tell if Ishtar137's lock on me will be followed by nothing, ewar, or the combined fire of a thousand sentries. The effect of the late broadcasts only gets compounded with scan res damped logistics trying to keep up with a remote sensor boosted drone anchor chewing through targets. Oddly enough, requiring the drone boat to lock the target for the assisted drones to fire fixes this issue. You know when you get primaried and can react. You have to sebo the whole fleet again if you want fast locks and have to deal with EWAR. It also fixes the "hiding in POS" problem in one fell swoop, because you can't lock people while inside a POS. there is no hiding in a POS whilst utilising sentries CCP already declared it an exploit so actually your whining about that something that is now irrelevant and reportable if you do encounter it I like how you read the last sentence (which is a by the way, this mechanically fixes the banned exploit) and completely ignore 99% of the post. Like I said, can you at least pretend to read? Or do I have to re-write it to a one-liner in it's own separate post just for you? Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 212	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:17:00 - [115] - Quote Here's a picture for you: Overview: [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar The [ ] in bold are flashing yellow. Do you overheat hardeners and brodcast for reps? A yes or no answer will suffice Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 836	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:21:00 - [116] - Quote no, im answering the relevant points you raised the rest im ignoring as its baseless rhetoric and theory crafting taken to absurd extremes in your world sentry fleets are unstoppable engines of destruction and carnage the rest of us play in a game where reality actually lives a world in which sentry fleets don't happen because they have too many limitations and too many easy to manage counters.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 212	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:50:00 - [117] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: the rest of us play in a game where reality actually lives a world in which sentry fleets don't happen because they have too many limitations and too many easy to manage counters. Nice troll 10/10 Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 698	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:52:00 - [118] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: the rest of us play in a game where reality actually lives a world in which sentry fleets don't happen because they have too many limitations and too many easy to manage counters. Nice troll 10/10 Wasn't the fountain war basically mega VS sentry? Some of the killboard did look like that IIRC.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 213	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:14:00 - [119] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: the rest of us play in a game where reality actually lives a world in which sentry fleets don't happen because they have too many limitations and too many easy to manage counters. Nice troll 10/10 Wasn't the fountain war basically mega VS sentry? Some of the killboard did look like that IIRC. That's apparently impossible, no one would ever use a sentry doctrine in the real world Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4603	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:17:00 - [120] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Here's a picture for you: Overview: [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar -------------------------------------bottom of window, start scrolling--------------- [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar [ ] Ishtar The [ ] in bold are flashing yellow. Do you overheat hardeners and brodcast for reps? A yes or no answer will suffice But isn't the FC in a brick tanked proteus using a passive targeter so you don't see anything There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4603	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:17:00 - [121] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: the rest of us play in a game where reality actually lives a world in which sentry fleets don't happen because they have too many limitations and too many easy to manage counters. Nice troll 10/10 Wasn't the fountain war basically mega VS sentry? Some of the killboard did look like that IIRC. That's apparently impossible, no one would ever use a sentry doctrine in the real world The amazing Q9PP and one other fight I don't recall even had megathrons fighting sentry carrier blobs. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Ciaphas Cyne Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance 42	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:18:00 - [122] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: no, im answering the relevant points you raised the rest im ignoring did you also ignore my little pop quiz? or was it just too much "unreal sandwich crafting" for you to handle? i am enjoying watching parmala tear you a new craphole though. is there a remote tissue distribution drone you can skill up in?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4603	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:19:00 - [123] - Quote hmm, are there hull rep drones? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 837	Posted - 2013.09.24 01:27:00 - [124] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: the rest of us play in a game where reality actually lives a world in which sentry fleets don't happen because they have too many limitations and too many easy to manage counters. Nice troll 10/10 Wasn't the fountain war basically mega VS sentry? Some of the killboard did look like that IIRC. That's apparently impossible, no one would ever use a sentry doctrine in the real world The amazing Q9PP and one other fight I don't recall even had megathrons fighting sentry carrier blobs.[/quote] so 3 nulsec fleet fights .... out of how many that cover the same time interval ie what percentage of fleet actions involve these 'unstoppable killer sentry fleets of death & destruction' less than 1% ?? less than 10% ?? more than 50% ?? more than 90% ?? if they were that awesome, im sure nulsec would be full of nothing but your "sentry fleets" someone needs to let N3 know about your awesome Dominix of pwnage with its 6 links & 5 trackers ......... they'll own all of nulsec in a week and no one will be able to stop them and it will all be thanks to you Ciaphas Cyne wrote: did you also ignore my little pop quiz? or was it just too much "unreal sandwich crafting" for you to handle? i am enjoying watching parmala tear you a new craphole though. is there a remote tissue distribution drone you can skill up in? lol just lol.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 530	Posted - 2013.09.24 14:44:00 - [125] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: So out of curiosity... if you kept a few snipers out of range of the sentry drones and moved the fleet to the other side of the pos.... That wouldn't work to adapt? Hell, you can warp through a pos. Perch points aren't hard to figure out or re make. You can fit a Domi to have 200km drone control range, 191km optimal and 30k falloff with Wardens or 153+42 with bouncers without sacrificing tank. hard to dance around that even before considering dics/hics/anchored bubbles. It can only lock out to 87km and has 112 scan res, but fortunately sentry assisting doesn't stop to consider silly things like range or time for locking targets. The domi only has to be within drone control range of the target, the insta locking remote sensor boosted bunny takes care of the rest. That's an awesome point! Another thing those drones have, is falloff damage penalties as well. Which suprisingly enough, reduces the amount of alpha, which could be seen as increasing your own survivability. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 530	Posted - 2013.09.24 15:01:00 - [126] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Actually what kind of tank does a sniper ship have to shoot at 200km, how well does it target a small sentry drone, and how fast will it die to 250 Dominixes worth of sentry drones Well, if the pos is 70km "wide" and the sentries are on one side, and you warp to a tac on OTHER side... that drone ship has to move before you get there (which wouldn't work). So, the tactical advantage is to the snipers, who can also shoot pos guns and towers while those sentries are being moved. If they aren't moved, then the entire fleet moves rending the sentries ineffectual. If they do move.. well... you have roaming logi doing patrols as needed (even with their own drones to assist). Point being, there are still work around regardless, and drone ships in a pos is not an i-win button. It's just lazy mode. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 530	Posted - 2013.09.24 15:03:00 - [127] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: so ..... your issue is with some dubious theory-crafted eft-warrior fail-fit dominix Actually, if you so much as pretended to read the thread, you would realize: My issue is with scrolling through an overview with over 200 targets on grid, looking for the one yellow box that means I have to overheat hardeners and broadcast for reps. While ignoring the other yellow boxes that are trying to troll me into flooding my logi's target list with random people. I have no way to tell if Ishtar137's lock on me will be followed by nothing, ewar, or the combined fire of a thousand sentries. The effect of the late broadcasts only gets compounded with scan res damped logistics trying to keep up with a remote sensor boosted drone anchor chewing through targets. Oddly enough, requiring the drone boat to lock the target for the assisted drones to fire fixes this issue. You know when you get primaried and can react. You have to sebo the whole fleet again if you want fast locks and have to deal with EWAR. It also fixes the "hiding in POS" problem in one fell swoop, because you can't lock people while inside a POS. Don't scroll through the overview. Set specific tabs and watch your broadcasts? It's very easy to set specific tabs and cycle tabs as needed. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1151	Posted - 2013.09.24 15:17:00 - [128] - Quote Andski wrote: "one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys" 200 ships, shooting through friendlies and hitting one target for full damage is pretty stupid too. Maybe that should be looked into also so we can harvest all the blobber tears. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Zimmy Zeta Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 31720	Posted - 2013.09.24 15:20:00 - [129] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: the rest of us play in a game where reality actually lives a world in which sentry fleets don't happen because they have too many limitations and too many easy to manage counters. Nice troll 10/10 Wasn't the fountain war basically mega VS sentry? Some of the killboard did look like that IIRC. As a lowly grunt I was certainly not involved into any doctrine theorycrafting, but from what I understood the drone assist mechanic wasn't even the main reason for us to go for Prophecies. It was because these ships were highly bomb resistant with small sig and excellent resistances and also rather newbie friendly and cheap. The vast majority of kills in 6VDT was by bombers, at that time everyone was more concerned about bombs than anything else. Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4610	Posted - 2013.09.24 15:42:00 - [130] - Quote It was a sov war, one might as well call it torpedo vs structure. We were fighting because gevlon goblin said using bombers to shoot structures was stupid and would kill us. :smugdog: There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4610	Posted - 2013.09.24 15:45:00 - [131] - Quote When you can killmailwhore on everyone, red or otherwise, in an area of effect your killboard stats look amazing. Like 100 killmails from a single bomb into a fleet that was murdered by someone else. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8802	Posted - 2013.09.24 15:59:00 - [132] - Quote Sentamon wrote: Andski wrote: "one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys" 200 ships, shooting through friendlies and hitting one target for full damage is pretty stupid too. lol Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2852	Posted - 2013.09.24 16:02:00 - [133] - Quote Some general ideas about drone functions. -Seperate "Assist" and "Defend" functions. Leave Defend alone, but make "combat assist" skill based. leave repair drone functionality the same as it is now. -Add skill "remote drone deployment". At zero, a character could not assign drones to assist another player. At lvl 5, a character could assign 5 unmanned drones (or 2 "manned" drones such as fighters to another player (or 1 drone to 5 other players or 1 fighter to 10 other players or any combination in between) -Add skill "remote drone interfacing" ie the "drone bunny skill". At zero, a character could not use drones assigned to him from another player, each level would allow for control of assisted drones from 2 characters. At level 5 the character could control drones from up to 10 other characters (50 drones max, not including 5 drones from the drone controllers own ship of course). Fighter and fighter bomber functionality would not change is a character would still only be able to command max 5 fighters or bombers assigned to him from a carrier/SC. -Add module "Drone link Disruptor". Chance based like ECM, a successful jam would interupt the connection for 10 seconds between the ship and ALL drones (it's own and any assigned). Would not affect players ability to recall or launch drones. -Add skill "Drone Link Compensation". Like the ship comp skills, it would lesson the chances of successful drone link disruption.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 530	Posted - 2013.09.24 16:25:00 - [134] - Quote Hacking drones and "subverting" them would mean the next step.- This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 214	Posted - 2013.09.24 18:46:00 - [135] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: your issue is with some dubious theory-crafted eft-warrior fail-fit dominix so actually your whining about that something that is now irrelevant and reportable if you do encounter it you wanted a counter to a sentry baased fleet in your world sentry fleets are unstoppable engines of destruction and carnage Nice strawmen you have there. Announced exploit is announced. No one has a problem with sentry fleets in general or how to counter them in general. No one said they're unstoppable. Those cries will come when goons start focus firing 5,000 bonused sentry drones with passive targeters. We're talking about how anti-fun sentry assist doctrines are to fly - both in and against. They largely remove what little individual pilot input exists on both sides of blob warfare. Kitty Bear wrote: so 3 nulsec fleet fights .... out of how many that cover the same time interval ie what percentage of fleet actions involve these less than 1% ?? less than 10% ?? more than 50% ?? more than 90% ?? I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you really want to tell us how insignificant of a fraction of null sec combat includes sentry drone boats, [citation needed]. I'll give you a hand though. Test featured prophecies in most of their fleets once they could no longer afford battleships. I'll leave it to you to figure out what the main weapon system of a Prophecy is, or how they fit them. Now back to our tangent. Kitty Bear wrote: 200km control range 191+30km optimal+fall off [High] 6x Drone Link Augmentor II [Mids] 5x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II [Lows] whatever [Rigs] whatever actually fail-fit isn't a good enough description for just how bad and stupid theory-crafting 'possible' fittings can take you into the realms of delusional lunacy. Really nice strawman. It's inconceivably bad because there's no prop mod on your imaginary fit right? I hope you don't mean the lack of Neutron Blasters, Neuts, Remote Rep, point, web or cap booster on it. Why don't we clear that up. [Dominix, Snipe] Drone Damage Amplifier II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II 100MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor I Large Anti-EM Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I It's so vastly different from the (now retired for ishtar) domi [Dominix, Nulli] Drone Damage Amplifier II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Target Spectrum Breaker Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Anti-EM Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I The difference is astounding. You have to swap out like... half a dozen easily seeded mods on a doctrine fit for situational POS defense dickery. (I know it sacs tank in the meta damage control. Just t1 the highs for 188k control range and t2 the 4th omni or swap to remote sebo. The 4th omni is a somewhat significant boost in tracking vs hacs). Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 214	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:34:00 - [136] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Actually what kind of tank does a sniper ship have to shoot at 200km, how well does it target a small sentry drone, and how fast will it die to 250 Dominixes worth of sentry drones Not much, unless it's some ****** domi shitfit which would be a stationary coffin. So paper sniper align tanked vs bombs. 10+ seconds to lock a drone if a battleship. Might as well just shoot the POS. It doesn't have to worry about the domi dps as long as it stays out of control range. My initial thought was to use something like an Eagle for such purpose, but I haven't tried to fit one for 200+km. That's getting far too specific for large scale application. I hear someone has an unscanable rail tengu fit for this though. Murk Paradox wrote:** That's an awesome point! Another thing those drones have, is falloff damage penalties as well. Which suprisingly enough, reduces the amount of alpha, which could be seen as increasing your own survivability. The falloff only matters in case of something getting into drone control range, then burning out of it. If you have 188 control range and they're at 189 the drones just won't fire in the first place. Also assuming they're spread around various sides of a shield to avoid bombs, the effective killzone would only be ~130 km. Beyond that half the drones would not fire. Not quite enough range to mindlessly park them around - the CFC mega fit can easily snipe at 150k with spike. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4612	Posted - 2013.09.24 22:57:00 - [137] - Quote Andski wrote: Sentamon wrote: Andski wrote: "one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys" 200 ships, shooting through friendlies and hitting one target for full damage is pretty stupid too. npc alts lol down with all blobs lol There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Seraph Essael Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 100	Posted - 2013.09.25 04:05:00 - [138] - Quote So much di*k measuring in this thread its unbelievable! Gives for a good read though, going round in circles. Theres a funny little pattern going on... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

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