Posting in a stealth "buff goon tears" thread

Seriously, where is our drone assist doctrine, I thought we were getting one, now I'm a little jealous.

RAZOR had/has one. I only got to fly it once before my corp left to join you guys.

some1 pls halp

i can no longer assist my drones and go afk to get kills, while i am in absolute safety inside my POS, i actually have to venture outside my POS and put my ships at risk in order to get kills

CCP pls m8 halp

require something beyond bashing the F1 key

Wait ...

Ah, you're in that corp that joined GSF. Welcome

My thoughts on the matter are:

It's a bullshit mechanic. Possibly one of the top 5 bullshit mechanics in EVE. Even the people who used it in the instance it was just banned in don't deny that. Everyone is just trying to point the hypocrite finger at each other, and I don't really care one way or another.

This does show that it's on CCPs radar though.

And a drone rework is long, long overdue.

I'd like to see it as a major feature of Winter, alongside Drone Region reworks, etc. A whole drone themed expac.

Just to be clear the exploit was pilots assigning their drones and then hiding in a POS where they couldn't be shot. The fundamental mechanic of assigning drones isn't an exploit but it's pretty obvious that the way some groups are using it is broken gameplay that should be addressed.

My thoughts on the matter are:

It's a bullshit mechanic. Possibly one of the top 5 bullshit mechanics in EVE. Even the people who used it in the instance it was just banned in don't deny that. Everyone is just trying to point the hypocrite finger at each other, and I don't really care one way or another.

This does show that it's on CCPs radar though.

And a drone rework is long, long overdue.

I'd like to see it as a major feature of Winter, alongside Drone Region reworks, etc. A whole drone themed expac.

I guess I will give some background to why this "issue" is being brought up.

About a week ago (too lazy to check KB) N3 defended a POS from CFC. The bulk of our fleet was in Ishtars with T2 Sentries. We deployed our drones outside of the POS shields, assisted them to the Trigger and then moved to just inside the POS shields. CFC showed up and got FACERAPED.

That is why they and their alts are here whining. Instead of figuring out a counter, they will whine on the forums and to CCP about how the game is "unfair" and how game mechanics are being used to cheat their blob. Which seems pretty ironic.

Now, I will say that if someone with some smarts, moved a SBing BS into the ball of sentries, they would have wiped our entire DPS off the field. But that is too "hard".

Yes this is my main. No I don't give a ****.

Just to be clear the exploit was pilots assigning their drones and then hiding in a POS where they couldn't be shot. The fundamental mechanic of assigning drones isn't an exploit but it's pretty obvious that the way some groups are using it is broken gameplay that should be addressed.

this is why your alliance is trash

tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield

it's totally unfair that ccp declared an exploit that allows you to engage in a fight without being at risk an exploit

clearly, ccp works against you

How many bombs does it take to kill a sentry drone?

tell us more about countering ships in a pos shield

lol, s2n

"you should be able to take part in a fight while only putting a flight of sentries at risk" - you

Alpha fleet still relies on people working in unison and has a long cycle time between targets as a detriment. That cycle time also means a single screw up can ripple down the chain of targets pulling them further out of sync and potentially catching reps. This can be further exploited by jamming/scan res damping only a portion of the fleet while optimal range/tracking disrupting the rest. No fleet should have EWAR immunity by simply switching drone bunny and remote sebo's to the one guy not being affected and apply full dps.

Sentries have a high rate of fire and don't rely on single shot damage to drop a target. It's more the fact of scrolling back and forth through an overview and broadcasting reps as soon as a single person starts yellow boxing you that bothers me. At least bringing a hundred celestis requires user input and coordination from players to neuter enemy logistics. At least when Alpha fleet primaries you, you get some ample warning what's about to happen and a chance to overheat hardeners/warp out. If you miss the one yellow box from a drone bunny with 250 sentries assigned you just suddenly take tons of damage and by then it's too late to react.

I don't mind the unified trigger so much as the fact the drone boat doesn't need to lock its target. In fact, it doesn't even need to be capable of locking the target. It can apply dps out to 200+ KM with a 90k lock range. I think forcing the drone boat to lock the target for assisted sentry drones to fire would resolve much of the issue people have with it. At least with other drones there's travel time involved, letting you know you're about to take massive damage. Even bombs have a 10 second flight time letting you pull drones and otherwise react. Even if you manage to have the drones (smart)bombed the effect is limited as carrier support lets you refit additional drones - the drone bay size is not effectively a limit on a large scale encounter.

Come on man...all you have to do is reinforce the POS and then come back when the timer is up and kill the POS and those ships will be vulnerable. Perfectly reasonable.

Can somebody from N3 tell me how to make my ishtar have the EHP of a large POS in EFT?

How many bombs does it take to kill ahundreds of sentry drones spread around a 70 KM diamater sphere?

Are there any other tricks you can do in a pos

Can't overheat Drones.
Can destroy drones without destroying the launching ship.
Sentry Drones don't move.

When you launch a thousand rounds of Antimatter it doesn't follow you to the next system either.

Show me another weapon system that doesn't require locking a target (or even being capable of locking it before ewar is applied!) and scales up to a full 255 man fleet and beyond. (Hint: It's not bombs)

yes but in a sentry drone fleet only the fc has to press a button, and all the sentries fire at the same time, this is the problem