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Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 19:31:00 - [31] - Quote Andski wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. > Gets owned by damp celestis > Brings assisted sentry blob > Gets owned anyway > Loses war > Claims victory Is N3 "only there because it was virtually the only place there is action" Welp test died, no more action cya There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:05:00 - [32] - Quote Alphea Abbra wrote: You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet. It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot! Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things. Alpha fleet still relies on people working in unison and has a long cycle time between targets as a detriment. That cycle time also means a single screw up can ripple down the chain of targets pulling them further out of sync and potentially catching reps. This can be further exploited by jamming/scan res damping only a portion of the fleet while optimal range/tracking disrupting the rest. No fleet should have EWAR immunity by simply switching drone bunny and remote sebo's to the one guy not being affected and apply full dps. Sentries have a high rate of fire and don't rely on single shot damage to drop a target. It's more the fact of scrolling back and forth through an overview and broadcasting reps as soon as a single person starts yellow boxing you that bothers me. At least bringing a hundred celestis requires user input and coordination from players to neuter enemy logistics. At least when Alpha fleet primaries you, you get some ample warning what's about to happen and a chance to overheat hardeners/warp out. If you miss the one yellow box from a drone bunny with 250 sentries assigned you just suddenly take tons of damage and by then it's too late to react. I don't mind the unified trigger so much as the fact the drone boat doesn't need to lock its target. In fact, it doesn't even need to be capable of locking the target. It can apply dps out to 200+ KM with a 90k lock range. I think forcing the drone boat to lock the target for assisted sentry drones to fire would resolve much of the issue people have with it. At least with other drones there's travel time involved, letting you know you're about to take massive damage. Even bombs have a 10 second flight time letting you pull drones and otherwise react. Even if you manage to have the drones (smart)bombed the effect is limited as carrier support lets you refit additional drones - the drone bay size is not effectively a limit on a large scale encounter. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 217	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:14:00 - [33] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:37:00 - [34] - Quote Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. But how else would I bring three characters to the same fleet without isboxer and hope to pretend I'm actually playing them all properly, executing alpha strikes in unison? You can't counter the blob so I have to be my own blob! Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Alphea Abbra Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 440	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:40:00 - [35] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: At least when Alpha fleet primaries you, you get some ample warning what's about to happen and a chance to overheat hardeners/warp out. If you miss the one yellow box from a drone bunny with 250 sentries assigned you just suddenly take tons of damage and by then it's too late to react. I'm kinda floored, this is clearly a legitimate point against drone assisting that I hadn't realised. I'm not even being sarcastic. I've seen a lot of complaints against assisting, and this is the first legitimate one. I don't have an answer to you. Locking targets or whatever could be a part of it, dunno. Right now I'm just sad that there was a legitimate complaint that I hadn't thought of.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4230	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:42:00 - [36] - Quote Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. I like how you are implying the drone assist will cause CCP to lose money. .
Johan Civire The Lyran Empire 643	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:48:00 - [37] - Quote Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. This guy is the king of trolling. In every post he try to make CCP the worst people on the planet. Says CCP is wrong on so many levels thats whats he is saying. Dude why are you playing if you hate this game? However this is not the case right now. Stop trolling thanks.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4230	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:51:00 - [38] - Quote Drone assist mechanic, the end of EVE Online as we know it. You heard it here first everyone. .
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:52:00 - [39] - Quote Alphea Abbra wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: At least when Alpha fleet primaries you, you get some ample warning what's about to happen and a chance to overheat hardeners/warp out. If you miss the one yellow box from a drone bunny with 250 sentries assigned you just suddenly take tons of damage and by then it's too late to react. I'm kinda floored, this is clearly a legitimate point against drone assisting that I hadn't realised. I'm not even being sarcastic. I've seen a lot of complaints against assisting, and this is the first legitimate one. I don't have an answer to you. Locking targets or whatever could be a part of it, dunno. Right now I'm just sad that there was a legitimate complaint that I hadn't thought of. Then there's the "everyone lock two random guys" - everyone is yellow boxed by someone. You don't know who actually controls the drones. How do you broadcast reps and even attempt to logi? Even in a small fleet where the alpha is far from instagib, you have to turn to "broadcast for reps when you actually take damage, pray your hardener is about to cycle and the scan res damped logi locks in time". Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Revman Zim Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 194	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:55:00 - [40] - Quote I guess I will give some background to why this "issue" is being brought up. About a week ago (too lazy to check KB) N3 defended a POS from CFC. The bulk of the fleet was in Ishtars with T2 Sentries. We deployed our drones outside of the POS shields, assisted them to the Trigger and then moved to just inside the POS shields. CFC showed up and got FACERAPED. That is why they and their alts are here whining. Instead of figuring out a counter, they will whine on the forums and to CCP about how the game is "unfair" and how game mechanics are being used to cheat their blob. Which seems pretty ironic. Now, I will say that if someone with some smarts, moved a SBing BS into the ball of sentries, they would have wiped our entire DPS off the field. But that is too "hard". Yes this is my main. No I don't give a ****.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 3408	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:03:00 - [41] - Quote The bigger the alliance, the greater the meta weapon (forums) effectiveness. Somebody got beaten somewhere.
Aliventi Stimulus Rote Kapelle 430	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:03:00 - [42] - Quote It's not OP/broken until you are alphaing carriers with sub-caps: Link "tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 526	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:09:00 - [43] - Quote I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:15:00 - [44] - Quote Revman Zim wrote: Now, I will say that if someone with some smarts, moved a SBing BS into the ball of sentries, they would have wiped our entire DPS off the field. But that is too "hard". The last time I was in a battleship on the pointy end of 300 sentry drones it went like this: 00:00 Hey I got bombed, my shields are gone 00:45 **** I'm getting shot 40% armor le 00:49 Kaboom 00:50 Get the pod out! Forgive me if I don't agree with your smrt idea of "just move A smartbombing battleship in". And to further counter your point, a SMA will allow you to refit drones from cargo to drone bay inside the bubble and simply dump another lot on the other side of the POS. Furthermore, you imply you were dumb enough to stack them all in one place rather than distribute the drones around the POS to protect them from bombing runs. Also, this was brought up weeks before the incident you are referring to, so your insight is marginally useful. And thanks for pointing out how not-broken it is for a fleet to apply full damage out to 200+ km, while effectively invulnerable inside a POS shield. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:17:00 - [45] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 526	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:27:00 - [46] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble. Hmm? Explain. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:30:00 - [47] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble. Hmm? Explain. Carriers have to stick out of a POS bubble to use fighters. Links can't be turned on inside a POS with the exception of Mining links, which still work. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 217	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:33:00 - [48] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. I like how you are implying the drone assist will cause CCP to lose money. Nope. My point was that for line members flying drone assist doctrines is incredibly boring and they will just stop showing up for fleets.
Murk Paradox Duty. The Cursed Few 526	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:47:00 - [49] - Quote Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: Georgina Parmala wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh. I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble. Hmm? Explain. Carriers have to stick out of a POS bubble to use fighters. Links can't be turned on inside a POS with the exception of Mining links, which still work. Uh, yess.... that is what brought on my comment. I do not understand where you thought I implied mining though. (Falcon deemed using drones as assist from within a pos an exploit) This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:58:00 - [50] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: I do not understand where you thought I implied mining though. I didn't. It was a tongue in cheek comment pointing out how you used OGB as a baseline, which explicitly makes exceptions for the mining variety. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Prince Kobol 921	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:02:00 - [51] - Quote Rhes wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: > Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas > Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps > Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game Is CFC. People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself. I way ahead of you :) I hate drone fleets with a passion, so much so that I point blank refuse to go on them. I would rather fly my logi alt, at least I will have something to other other than warp to target, assist drones , surf the net until everything is dead or I am..
Doris Dents GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 247	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:23:00 - [52] - Quote Elite PVP coalition arguing what little individual pilot input there is in large fleet fights should be stripped out. Goons arguing for higher skillcap PVP and more pilot involvement. It's bizzaro EVE. They think for some magic reason we can't use drone assist. It's not like supers guys, it doesn't take billions of isk and putting a high SP character in a space coffin to jump on the bandwagon.
Five Finger Army School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:30:00 - [53] - Quote It's kinda useless anyway unless there's a drag to fleet, fleet jump and fleet launch drone button for the FC. I'd gladly leave my accounts logged on 23.5/7 and make them available to all of the above as long as I just don't have to participate in the mindless herds nullsec fights are made of.
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 220	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:35:00 - [54] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: I way ahead of you :) I hate drone fleets with a passion, so much so that I point blank refuse to go on them. I would rather fly my logi alt, at least I will have something to other other than warp to target, assist drones , surf the net until everything is dead or I am.. Well there you go. When people are willing to fly logis before drone assist doctrine ships we don't really need to say anything else on the matter.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:50:00 - [55] - Quote Doris Dents wrote: Elite PVP coalition arguing what little individual pilot input there is in large fleet fights should be stripped out. Goons arguing for higher skillcap PVP and more pilot involvement. It's bizzaro EVE. They think for some magic reason we can't use drone assist. It's not like supers guys, it doesn't take billions of isk and putting a high SP character in a space coffin to jump on the bandwagon. Seriously? A good number of us have gallente battleship trained, and sentry drones... we're blobbers, we can make a bigger blob, is anyone surprised at all bythe revelation that we blob? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:50:00 - [56] - Quote Seriously, where is our drone assist doctrine, I thought we were getting one, now I'm a little jealous. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1192	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:56:00 - [57] - Quote You can assist your drones to me any day. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
PotatoOverdose SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 150	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:58:00 - [58] - Quote Bomb and/or smartbomb = all sentry drones dead, no? Can't help but think there might me more important problems to fix, y'know like POS's themselves. Like the planned modular POS's. That wouldn't have this problem. Because no forcefields and all that. But no, who wants to fix the underlying problem, amirite?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4587	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:00:00 - [59] - Quote Time to file a complaint form FK.U under section 4: Jealous of others' fleet doctrines There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4231	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:22:00 - [60] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Bomb and/or smartbomb = all sentry drones dead, no? Can't help but think there might me more important problems to fix, y'know like POS's themselves. Like the planned modular POS's. That wouldn't have this problem. Because no forcefields and all that. But no, who wants to fix the underlying problem, amirite? They can also just ungroup guns, free fire on all the sentries and then smile on the defanged drone ships. But, that would require something beyond bashing the F1 key with their chubby fingers. .

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