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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:57:00 -
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Hi,
In the next hours we are running tests for automated account mirroring on Singularity. We cannot promise anything at this point. This tries to update your account data on Singularity with the latest changes on TQ. Anything on the characters (including skills) should not be affected. If you had a different password on Sisi then you might have to switch using the password from TQ.
Please reply here if you experience any new problems with your accounts there. For the case of sensitive information send me an EVE-mail (but please do not include passwords). CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock-á Bug reporting | Mass Testing |
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Rengerel en Distel
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:07:00 -
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Woot, now we're testing like it's 1999! Good luck and hope it goes well.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
232
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:08:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:This tries to update your account data
Can you expand on that a bit? What data should change? What should I keep looking at?
Then you say:
CCP Habakuk wrote:Anything on the characters (including skills) should not be affected.
So the changes that might or might not occur pertain to data that is not visible in-game or should I say in-character (as opposed to out of character). This data includes password, account expiry, payment method and similar. Did I get that right? Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
733

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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:44:00 -
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Sable Moran wrote:CCP Habakuk wrote:This tries to update your account data Can you expand on that a bit? What data should change? What should I keep looking at? Then you say: CCP Habakuk wrote:Anything on the characters (including skills) should not be affected. So the changes that might or might not occur pertain to data that is not visible in-game or should I say in-character (as opposed to out of character). This data includes password, account expiry, payment method and similar. Did I get that right?
Correct, included are for example the password, status of the account (active, expired, banned, ...), expiry, and type of the account. New accounts and transferred characters will probably work - but I'm not 100% sure on those. CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock-á Bug reporting | Mass Testing |
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Hommycyde
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:34:00 -
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Sounds good. people that are banned on tq should be banned on sisi too. |

Rengerel en Distel
1927
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Posted - 2013.09.20 17:54:00 -
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Is this at least a first step to having skills copied over automatically too? No clue why you guys fight it so much.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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GreenSeed
701
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:10:00 -
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Thanks! |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
734

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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:09:00 -
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It seems like the first account mirror finished without bigger problems, but it looks like transferred characters were not covered by this. Please report here (or per EVE-mail) if you experience any problems.
Hommycyde wrote:Sounds good. people that are banned on tq should be banned on sisi too.  Indeed. This is a very nice side-effect. 
Quote:Is this at least a first step to having skills copied over automatically too? No clue why you guys fight it so much. This would need quite some developer time and I personally would prefer if this would be used in fixing bugs or new features for TQ. CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock-á Bug reporting | Mass Testing |
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Rengerel en Distel
1928
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:42:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:It seems like the first account mirror finished without bigger problems, but it looks like transferred characters were not covered by this. Please report here (or per EVE-mail) if you experience any problems. Hommycyde wrote:Sounds good. people that are banned on tq should be banned on sisi too.  Indeed. This is a very nice side-effect.  Quote:Is this at least a first step to having skills copied over automatically too? No clue why you guys fight it so much. This would need quite some developer time and I personally would prefer if this would be used in fixing bugs or for new features for TQ.
You obviously know more about how the player files are structured, but I find it hard to believe that copying over a portion of the file is somehow easier than the entire file. You're pulling some data from the file, copying it to SISI overwriting the SISI copy, but doing that with the entire file takes more developer time?
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
734

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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:31:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:You obviously know more about how the player files are structured, but I find it hard to believe that copying over a portion of the file is somehow easier than the entire file. You're pulling some data from the file, copying it to SISI overwriting the SISI copy, but doing that with the entire file takes more developer time?
As far as I know we are actually re-playing the change-log in this case and are not copying the data 1 to 1 . CCP PrismX would know the details about this.
Copying everything is being done in a full mirror, which we will keep doing every few months. Copying only the skills would probably be quite messy - at least as far as I understand the data structure (but I'm not a DB programmer). CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock-á Bug reporting | Mass Testing |
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Jonny Copper
Obstergo Bitten.
10
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Posted - 2013.09.20 23:11:00 -
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I dont know much about this, but wouldn't it be possible to write a really really long script that would copy TQ, delete all POS's , remove sov, seed modules, etc. Then have that run every few months automatically making the job easier for you guys long term? |

Kora Ethereal
Dawn Gaming
10
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Posted - 2013.09.21 02:50:00 -
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Jonny Copper wrote:I dont know much about this, but wouldn't it be possible to write a really really long script that would copy TQ, delete all POS's , remove sov, seed modules, etc. Then have that run every few months automatically making the job easier for you guys long term?
Then once a few months CCP would experience downtime as the QA department murders the intranet and hardware bandwidth :P |

Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
31
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Posted - 2013.09.21 21:14:00 -
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Apologies if I'm being dense here, but does switching to an automated mirroring method mean Sisi will be mirrored more frequently, and if so is this going to make supercapital production on the test server impossible? |

Paul Megere
10th level Banzee U N K N O W N
1
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Posted - 2013.09.21 21:15:00 -
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i got now the acc on sisi, but with out of my character, so what now ? |

Jaiimez Skor
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
80
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:29:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:You obviously know more about how the player files are structured, but I find it hard to believe that copying over a portion of the file is somehow easier than the entire file. You're pulling some data from the file, copying it to SISI overwriting the SISI copy, but doing that with the entire file takes more developer time?
As far as I know we are actually re-playing the change-log in this case and are not copying the data 1 to 1 . CCP PrismX would know the details about this. Copying everything is being done in a full mirror, which we will keep doing every few months. Copying only the skills would probably be quite messy - at least as far as I understand the data structure (but I'm not a DB programmer).
I'm slightly curious, what are the reasons for doing this atall, I cannot see how people who are inactive on TQ having their accounts inactive on Sisi really does to benefit the testing of future releases, the only reason I can think of is to force those who don't sub their TQ accounts, and just play Sisi to be forced into paying their subscriptions again. I may be wrong and if I am please feel free I would love to know the actual reason for this, but atleast to me, just looks like it's nothing more than a moneygrab.
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Theodora Humphrey
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.09.22 17:31:00 -
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What will be the frequency of these incremental mirrors. And are there plans to fix the handling of transferred chars. |

Ni Kunni197
The Corpse Bucket
0
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:26:00 -
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If you didnt reactive me from the acounts thread its working for accounts that time out and then resub on TQ. |

Leviitiicus Industries
Black Lagoon Co
0
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Posted - 2013.09.23 02:58:00 -
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All my accounts are activated but no toons are showing up on my accounts |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
735

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Posted - 2013.09.23 09:54:00 -
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Jonny Copper wrote:I dont know much about this, but wouldn't it be possible to write a really really long script that would copy TQ, delete all POS's , remove sov, seed modules, etc. Then have that run every few months automatically making the job easier for you guys long term?
What you are describing is basically a full mirror. Most things for mirrors are scripted, but not everything. And yes, it is a quite heavy on our infrastructure (which is one of the reasons for keeping them seldom).
Tilly Delnero wrote:Apologies if I'm being dense here, but does switching to an automated mirroring method mean Sisi will be mirrored more frequently, and if so is this going to make supercapital production on the test server impossible?
Full mirrors might be slightly less frequent, if the automated account mirroring works as expected. But we will still be doing full mirrors every few months.
Paul Megere wrote:i got now the acc on sisi, but with out of my character, so what now ?
Leviitiicus Industries wrote:All my accounts are activated but no toons are showing up on my accounts Yeah, only the account itself is copied - without your characters. Feel free to create new characters on Singularity. We understand, that this is not perfect, but it should be at least better than having no account at all.
Theodora Humphrey wrote:What will be the frequency of these incremental mirrors. And are there plans to fix the handling of transferred chars. Frequency: We are looking into running this once per day, but this is not decided so far. Character transfers: Unknown so far. I don't know if this would only need a small fix or if this would be something bigger. CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock-á Bug reporting | Mass Testing |
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Tikitina
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:39:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Is this at least a first step to having skills copied over automatically too? No clue why you guys fight it so much.
Not everyone wants their skills on Sisi automatically replaced with their skills on TQ, especially those who recently took part in mass tests.
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Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
31
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Posted - 2013.09.23 16:05:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:Full mirrors might be slightly less frequent, if the automated account mirroring works as expected. But we will still be doing full mirrors every few months. Excellent, thanks for the clarification. I was panicking a bit there! |

Leviitiicus Industries
Black Lagoon Co
0
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:30:00 -
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This is ********, for months on months I pleaded for a mirror and even came to terms with the fact no one cared and you do it when you want. So I finally stopped checking on the server and gave up then you finally activate my accounts with no toons? Then you tell me its ok because i can create one? I come on the test server to test stuff not go through the painstaking process of evolving a useless toon. WTH
This is just bad after all the money dumped into this game..
CCP Habakuk wrote:Jonny Copper wrote:I dont know much about this, but wouldn't it be possible to write a really really long script that would copy TQ, delete all POS's , remove sov, seed modules, etc. Then have that run every few months automatically making the job easier for you guys long term? [quote=Leviitiicus Industries]All my accounts are activated but no toons are showing up on my accounts Yeah, only the account itself is copied - without your characters. Feel free to create new characters on Singularity. We understand, that this is not perfect, but it should be at least better than having no account at all.
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Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
31
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Posted - 2013.09.23 23:55:00 -
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Leviitiicus Industries wrote:This is just bad after all the money dumped into this game.. I can understand your frustration, but to be fair access to the test servers isn't a right granted by our subscriptions. The test servers don't provide self-monetisation either, so any resources allocated to their synchronisation and maintenance will always be minimal outside of the dedicated mass-testing of specific sets of issues.
For what it's worth, I think CCP Habakuk and the volunteers do a great job with limited resources and in the face of a horde of immature idiots who think causing havoc on the test servers is the height of hilarity (off-topic, please institute permanent bans pretty pretty please). While I might disagree with a lot of the decisions and directions CCP and the CSM take, the test server guys are pure gold in my book. /rant
I do hope this account automation includes characters in the future though. |

Rengerel en Distel
1930
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Posted - 2013.09.24 00:39:00 -
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Tikitina wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Is this at least a first step to having skills copied over automatically too? No clue why you guys fight it so much.
Not everyone wants their skills on Sisi automatically replaced with their skills on TQ, especially those who recently took part in mass tests.
True, so maybe something like /testcopy to put your character in a queue that gets transferred over at DT. I just don't understand how that takes a Dev more than 15 minutes to set up, but I don't have any knowledge of how they store their files.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Kora Ethereal
Dawn Gaming
10
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Posted - 2013.09.24 06:59:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Tikitina wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Is this at least a first step to having skills copied over automatically too? No clue why you guys fight it so much.
Not everyone wants their skills on Sisi automatically replaced with their skills on TQ, especially those who recently took part in mass tests. True, so maybe something like /testcopy to put your character in a queue that gets transferred over at DT. I just don't understand how that takes a Dev more than 15 minutes to set up, but I don't have any knowledge of how they store their files.
According to a previous post, it's not copypasta, they instead replay your character history to generate your toon. I'd imagine using an entire changelog takes a bit of time. |

Romana Erebus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:51:00 -
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This thread should have never had the word "mirror" in it ever. Should have been name automated account updates or something.  |

D Kreone
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 04:08:00 -
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How long until our accounts that we can log in to, but have no characters to select from get fixed/added? Is it possible to grant those accounts with some free SP in the meantime so we can continue to TEST!!! |

Kora Ethereal
Dawn Gaming
11
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:56:00 -
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D Kreone wrote:How long until our accounts that we can log in to, but have no characters to select from get fixed/added? Is it possible to grant those accounts with some free SP in the meantime so we can continue to TEST!!!
As stated before, you can connect and create an toon, but you'll probably have to wait for a full mirror. Remember Acess at all is a privilege, don't expect all the bells and whistles you get from TQ. |

Leviitiicus Industries
Black Lagoon Co
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:14:00 -
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Kora Ethereal wrote:D Kreone wrote:How long until our accounts that we can log in to, but have no characters to select from get fixed/added? Is it possible to grant those accounts with some free SP in the meantime so we can continue to TEST!!! As stated before, you can connect and create an toon, but you'll probably have to wait for a full mirror. Remember Acess at all is a privilege, don't expect all the bells and whistles you get from TQ.
I really do get that it is just a test server but we also pay to get on it in a sense because technically you can't get mirrored on or added unless you pay membership. Not only is it that we pay. They want us to test things on the server but they don't give any support whatsoever other than the very little on the forums. To top it all off they activate a lot of peoples accounts but with no characters, most of us don't have the time to rank up another toon that we will never use in real applications. So we are stuck with no way to truly test anything. It's just frustrating. To top it all off I am losing training time as well as testing time. Maybe one day they will get things straight. |

Kora Ethereal
Dawn Gaming
11
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:49:00 -
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Leviitiicus Industries wrote:Kora Ethereal wrote:D Kreone wrote:How long until our accounts that we can log in to, but have no characters to select from get fixed/added? Is it possible to grant those accounts with some free SP in the meantime so we can continue to TEST!!! As stated before, you can connect and create an toon, but you'll probably have to wait for a full mirror. Remember Acess at all is a privilege, don't expect all the bells and whistles you get from TQ. I really do get that it is just a test server but we also pay to get on it in a sense because technically you can't get mirrored on or added unless you pay membership. Not only is it that we pay. They want us to test things on the server but they don't give any support whatsoever other than the very little on the forums. To top it all off they activate a lot of peoples accounts but with no characters, most of us don't have the time to rank up another toon that we will never use in real applications. So we are stuck with no way to truly test anything. It's just frustrating. To top it all off I am losing training time as well as testing time. Maybe one day they will get things straight.
You don't pay for it at all, it's more of a bonus to membership. This is a development server of all things too, technically they're not obligated to give us access to anything but TQ and only TQ, but you know what, they have API's, the test server, and the forums up, at their expense for us. Also there is no support because you don't pay for it.
TL:DR You're not entitled to anything but TQ and support for TQ. SiSi is just a free cookie, don't got asking the baker how the hell to eat it. |
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