1. CCP don't influence prices we do, take off your tinfoil hat.

2. Stop being poor and learn how to make isk in game.

Pvp has become cheaper.

During the recent rebalance, CCP opted to nerf anything that requires SP into the ground whilst buffing everything else (or give T2 entireley useless 'bufffs' like the MWD sig bonus on HACs, which will only help them against BS, but nothing else).


BS just got shuffled around instead of receiving a long-required buff, whereas T1 friugs and cruisers got buffed into oblivion.

Most likely, that's due to CCP not understanding their own tracking formula and constantly underrating mobility for years now.

I for once only undock my noob alt in frigs, destroyers and T1 cruisers, as they're grossly overpowered in terms of 'bang for the buck' whereas I'm about to unsub or even sell my 100+ mill SP characters.

Quite sure buffed into oblivion is a contradiction

Battleship prices have gone slightly up? Slightly? Really?

My first Domi (late 2010 aka a time period you also played in) cost me 59mil (that was market price in Jita, not a friend of a friend deal) Now they are 145mil.

Using rough math a Domi has gone up 2,5 times in price since I started playing. A Plex hasnt even doubled...

So if PLEX is a yardstick, then I'd say prices of Battleships have gone (way) up since I started playing.

Pvp has become cheaper.

During the recent rebalance, CCP opted to nerf anything that requires SP into the ground whilst buffing everything else (or give T2 entireley useless 'bufffs' like the MWD sig bonus on HACs, which will only help them against BS, but nothing else).


BS just got shuffled around instead of receiving a long-required buff, whereas T1 friugs and cruisers got buffed into oblivion.

Most likely, that's due to CCP not understanding their own tracking formula and constantly underrating mobility for years now.

I for once only undock my noob alt in frigs, destroyers and T1 cruisers, as they're grossly overpowered in terms of 'bang for the buck' whereas I'm about to unsub or even sell my 100+ mill SP characters.

During the recent rebalance, CCP opted to nerf anything that requires SP into the ground whilst buffing everything else (or give T2 entireley useless 'bufffs' like the MWD sig bonus on HACs, which will only help them against BS, but nothing else).

BS just got shuffled around instead of receiving a long-required buff, whereas T1 friugs and cruisers got buffed into oblivion.

Most likely, that's due to CCP not understanding their own tracking formula and constantly underrating mobility for years now.

I for once only undock my noob alt in frigs, destroyers and T1 cruisers, as they're grossly overpowered in terms of 'bang for the buck' whereas I'm about to unsub or even sell my 100+ mill SP characters.

So do you believe 300mil per Rokh to be a fair price? For their purpose, their life, and how they come to an end, do you think 300mil is a fair cost?

i don't

1. CCP don't influence prices we do, take off your tinfoil hat.

2. Stop being poor and learn how to make isk in game.

A patch comes out and doubles the mineral use for a BS for no apparent reason....

I'm saying that you're making unsupported assertions and also you're using the rather low rhetorical trick of saying that "battleships are too expensive" without explaining what "not too expensive" or even "not expensive enough" would be.

I am providing data to the effect that relatively speaking battleships have been far more 'expensive' than they are now, using the only reliable metric of value that we have available (game time). It's scarcely disputable that the income of the average (median) EVE player in absolute ISK terms is much higher than it was in September 2006 (which is when I started playing).

Additionally, I flatly don't believe your claims that battleships aren't used in PvP and hardly ever die when they do, and I bet you don't either. I don't believe you're that ignorant either, just dishonest.

My personal experience totally contradicts that: not only are battleships once again the standard for fleets, they're used more than ever, and they die in large numbers tyvm. Looking at INIT's alliance killboard, with the campaign that conveniently started in 01.01.2013: http://killboard.the-initiative.com/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=5 I see 1659 BS killed and 776 BS lost. That's just from one medium sized alliance. More to the point it shows more Battleships lost and killed than any other ship class.

You'll see a similar story in most PvP alliance killboards.

Furthermore, CCP have revitalised T1 cruisers and battlecruisers, giving players access to viable yet cheaper options if they feel that battleships are too expensive for their taste.

There is no denying that battleship are seeing PvP and in numbers. The dominix made it to the top 20 so it had to be used often. The important question is should they be used by small group/solo more or not? I don't think they should because in the end, they require support wich smaller gangs/solo can't provide. If they were able to support themself solo while also sporting a strong buffer tank, why would people fly anything else?

As long as they can be lost to much smaller ship, people won't want to field them without support. If they can't be lost to smaller ships, then it will be broken. I say leave them on fleet duty like they seem to be meant to be used or possibly as the one "flag ship" of a gang.

Pretty much spot on here.

A smallish corp fielding 5 pilots (let's say) should only have like 1 BS, with the others being tackle (frig) and 3x cruiser (optional - 1x logi) or attack BC ... a full gang (10) could probably double everything and add in T2 stuff ('ceptors, falcon, etc.). Granted, this doesn't exactly scale ... but that's why alliances have multiple fleets going at once...

i give up lol

You have been given the reason. Not liking it is not the same as getting to say it doesn't exist.

You have been given the reason. Not liking it is THE EXACT SAME THING as saying it doesn't exist, because it doesn't, because I don't like it, me me me me me me me.

i give up lol

BS just got "shuffled around" did they? Looked to me like a number of little-used BS (Hype, Mega, Raven etc) are suddenyl very viable indeed, rather than being utter jokes. I guess you could call that shuffling if you were determined not to like having an increased number of usable battleships.

Can you name a HAC that didn't get made better than it was before?

Honestly, it's like you people rejoice in not having an attention span or even basic reasoning ability.

The time for giving up was before you clicked "post" to start this thread. Here's a tip, don't try to hide your opinon behind a question next time. "Is pvp becoming to expensive" would have better be titled "I THINK pvp is becoming to expensive".

And, frankly, your "question" was answered, it's not becoming to expensive for most other people, in fact, as has been stated, pvp is less expensive now than at almost any other point in EVE's history. Before Tiercide, Tech1 cruisers were only good for "lul, lets go die and pray we can kill even one tech 2 ship before we explode" roams and that's it.

Now, really really really cheap ships are useful in pvp. And isk making in EVE is so easy now (with military upgrades in null sec, factions warfare isk and LP, and high sec incursions) that in relative terms, the current battleships are less of an expense now than they were just last year.

The cost of pvp is fine. Sorry if you believe otherwise.

My question and opinion have both been stated very clearly, so thanks for the tip but i think i'll stick to taking them from people who have even the remotest of clues about the topic in question. E.G Not you