I realise CCP are pushing up prices in the hope people will plug the gap with PLEX because they are money grabbers, but for casual players not willing to buy plex are certain types of day to day PVP now too expensive?

I think it's reached the point where battleships are virtually extinct from pvp, especially amongst players who play with risk.

Looking at eve-kill, when you scan the first 5-10 pages of kills on any given day it is extremely rare to see a Battleship being lost, or even used. It's just page after page of frigates, destroyers and cruisers. Is this is a change in play styles, or is it a reflection of costs?

I just lost a hype, which is what made me consider this. It cost 290mil to buy and fit (t2), i then paid 60mil for insurance, went looking for a fight and lost it. I received a 170mil payout. So my 290mil ship returned 110mil in total. Whats up with that?

Surely the average casual gamer can't sustain losing 250-300mil everytime a battleship dies, or 200mil if insured? Especially if you actively go looking for fights in small or solo situations.

When all three battleship tiers were balanced, why wasn't the price set to the MIDDLE tier ship? What was the reaosn behind making them all cot the same as the most expensive tier?

It'd be good to hear some thoughts on this, because that's just one example of a growing trend in EVE. Is the new, younger, in-school and armed with dads credit card target market worth it? I'm not so sure.

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Ships were balanced in the sense that they were given different purposes. I don't think the mineral costs were changed.

You obviously don't have anything to do with construction of ships or industry. Aside from the majority of the 'rebalancing' which I would argue has been largely unnecessary & destructive to other elements of EVE Online the mineral costs for all ships that have been 'rebalanced' has increased exponentially.
'Extra materials', which are not reduced by ME research, have been added to the BPO's for all ships that have been 'rebalanced'. These 'extra materials' are typically adding approximately 40% to the cost of building those ships. If this happened in real life, and in some instances it does, it has a horrendous effect on economies both in New Eden and in RL. For those who got in before the changes to these ships there were significant profits to be made but after the fact construction of affected ships is ruined for months or longer.
It does seem that CCP has, and is, making other changes to bring about and/or exacerbate the current fall in mineral prices to fix this situation. But this just brings about more problems for other careers and parts of the New Eden economy.
At the moment the best we can hope is that once the T2 ships have all been 'rebalanced' that this plague stops at that threshold. I for one would not like to see capital ship & freighter BPO's touched with this infection.

Like i have said above, the use of battleships is extremely rare now, they never really die,

Your question was "Is PVP becoming too expensive?" and the answer is no.

Since I started playing in 2009 the price of battleships has gone up slightly while the price of PLEX has almost doubled. Buy orders for PLEX used to be around 350 mil and currently they're over 600 mil in Jita. This means the actual real money cost of battleships have gone down.

Yes I don't know anything about manufacturing so you got me on that one. If something CCP did to mineral costs effects the price of ships down the road I can't say but currently this has not happened.



TLDR: It has always been expensive to lose battleships in PVP. This is nothing new and hasn't changed. Most people that PVP in more expensive ships take care not to lose them.

PLEX isn't the benchmark for eve inflation so im not sure why that is relevant.

Ravens cost 135M or so when I started playing.

To put that into context, so did a 30 GTC card.

yes it is.

Ravens cost 135M or so when I started playing.

To put that into context, so did a 30 GTC card.

i honestly don't believe you're that ignorant, just very naive

just to clarify though, you're saying we've got it good and everything is bout 400% cheaper than it should be?

i honestly don't believe you're that ignorant, just very naive

just to clarify though, you're saying we've got it good and everything is bout 400% cheaper than it should be?

Your question was "Is PVP becoming too expensive?" and the answer is no.

Since I started playing in 2009 the price of battleships has gone up slightly while the price of PLEX has almost doubled. Buy orders for PLEX used to be around 350 mil and currently they're over 600 mil in Jita. This means the actual real money cost of battleships have gone down.

Yes I don't know anything about manufacturing so you got me on that one. If something CCP did to mineral costs effects the price of ships down the road I can't say but currently this has not happened.



TLDR: It has always been expensive to lose battleships in PVP. This is nothing new and hasn't changed. Most people that PVP in more expensive ships take care not to lose them.

You obviously don't have anything to do with construction of ships or industry. Aside from the majority of the 'rebalancing' which I would argue has been largely unnecessary & destructive to other elements of EVE Online the mineral costs for all ships that have been 'rebalanced' has increased exponentially.
'Extra materials', which are not reduced by ME research, have been added to the BPO's for all ships that have been 'rebalanced'. These 'extra materials' are typically adding approximately 40% to the cost of building those ships. If this happened in real life, and in some instances it does, it has a horrendous effect on economies both in New Eden and in RL. For those who got in before the changes to these ships there were significant profits to be made but after the fact construction of affected ships is ruined for months or longer.
It does seem that CCP has, and is, making other changes to bring about and/or exacerbate the current fall in mineral prices to fix this situation. But this just brings about more problems for other careers and parts of the New Eden economy.
At the moment the best we can hope is that once the T2 ships have all been 'rebalanced' that this plague stops at that threshold. I for one would not like to see capital ship & freighter BPO's touched with this infection.

I realise CCP are pushing up prices in the hope people will plug the gap with PLEX because they are money grabbers, but for casual players not willing to buy plex are certain types of day to day PVP now too expensive?

When all three battleship tiers were balanced, why wasn't the price set to the MIDDLE tier ship? What was the reaosn behind making them all cot the same as the most expensive tier?

I know alot of highsec and low-sec players will be wondering the same thing. I just hope CCP isn't hoping that when the isk runs out of peoples wallets they will simply buy more plex to cover it.

I'm spacepoor.

CCP doesn't set prices.

Battleship prices have gone slightly up? Slightly? Really?

My first Domi (late 2010 aka a time period you also played in) cost me 59mil (that was market price in Jita, not a friend of a friend deal) Now they are 145mil.

Using rough math a Domi has gone up 2,5 times in price since I started playing. A Plex hasnt even doubled...

So if PLEX is a yardstick, then I'd say prices of Battleships have gone (way) up since I started playing.