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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.01.18 15:30:00 -
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Something that puzzles me in general.
Couple nights ago me and the crew Found a Apoc wandering around low sec. I'll spare you the gory details but he eneded up 10% struc with a convo window open. I proffer a 40mil Ransom, and he Tells me to get stuffed, cos its cheaper to build a new one. The collective Response was "WTF".
So Riddle Me this;
Why do people not Pay Ransoms? Even when they are incredibly low? is it just being totally AP and not wanting to perpetuate the cycle, or are they just plain Stupid?
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.01.18 15:33:00 -
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Well if he only had TI gear on it he could prob buy a new apoc, insure it and almsot fit all the mods for the 40mil you were gonna charge him.
Plus if he bought/mined all the mins he would prob make abit of profit from the insurance even if it is a pain in the arse to do.
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Iroquois
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Posted - 2006.01.18 15:34:00 -
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 Originally by: mirel yirrin
Something that puzzles me in general.
Couple nights ago me and the crew Found a Apoc wandering around low sec. I'll spare you the gory details but he eneded up 10% struc with a convo window open. I proffer a 40mil Ransom, and he Tells me to get stuffed, cos its cheaper to build a new one. The collective Response was "WTF".
So Riddle Me this;
Why do people not Pay Ransoms? Even when they are incredibly low? is it just being totally AP and not wanting to perpetuate the cycle, or are they just plain Stupid?
Maybe he's heard of the "Krazed Killer Something or Anothers" from Molden Heath before and didn't think you could actually kill the remaining 10% of his structure?
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.01.18 15:36:00 -
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General principle I suppose.
Much as I hear pirates complain about folks not paying ransoms, perhaps I'll offer the next few pirates I catch on one of my patrols a ransom and see what kind of response I get.
Garreck
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2006.01.18 15:39:00 -
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Pride causing stupidity.
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Sentinel Roqeze
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:00:00 -
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People very rarely pay ransoms on ships any more, unless they are carrying valuable cargo or are fitted with expensive mods. The problems, most evident with T1 ships, is the insurance payout.
Take a Cyclone, for example (since I know the rough figures off the top of my head). It costs say 23M to buy one and 7M to insure it on Platinum, which pays 22.5M. Along comes a pirate and demands a 10M ransom... pilot does the maths and thinks "Hang on a second, if this thing gets blown up I get enough insurance money to replace it and it will cost me 7M to insure it, meaning that I'm actually 3M better off having it destroyed than I am paying the ransom".
Basically, us pirates need to lower our ransom demands on T1 ships in the hopes of obtaining more business in quantity, or forget ransoming the ships, go straight for the kill and loot, ransoming the pod in the process.
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sentinel Roqeze
Basically, us pirates need to lower our ransom demands on T1 ships in the hopes of obtaining more business in quantity, or forget ransoming the ships, go straight for the kill and loot, ransoming the pod in the process.
Then you'd have to hope they have implants! Assuming a character with an expensive clone would be tougher to beat, how much would you expect to ransom a <3M SP character? 1 million?
Perhaps you should have a list of insurance costs and a pre-typed ransom demand explaining this in detail. 
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Sentinel Roqeze
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cvuos
Perhaps you should have a list of insurance costs and a pre-typed ransom demand explaining this in detail.
LMAO, it might improve my pay-out rate if I did!
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Iroquois
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Something that puzzles me in general.
Couple nights ago me and the crew Found a Apoc wandering around low sec. I'll spare you the gory details but he eneded up 10% struc with a convo window open. I proffer a 40mil Ransom, and he Tells me to get stuffed, cos its cheaper to build a new one. The collective Response was "WTF".
So Riddle Me this;
Why do people not Pay Ransoms? Even when they are incredibly low? is it just being totally AP and not wanting to perpetuate the cycle, or are they just plain Stupid?
Maybe he's heard of the "Krazed Killer Something or Anothers" from Molden Heath before and didn't think you could actually kill the remaining 10% of his structure?
Oh thats just Cold. Really cold.
I bet your some guy who we've killed at some point taking a lil' potshot of revenge at us on the forums.
Lucky I have 85% **** Resistance 
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Well if he only had TI gear on it he could prob buy a new apoc, insure it and almsot fit all the mods for the 40mil you were gonna charge him.
Plus if he bought/mined all the mins he would prob make abit of profit from the insurance even if it is a pain in the arse to do.
Apoc's retail on average for 90-100mil Atm. insure is a further 20~ something mil. If he mined all of it (unlikely) then it would be almost free to Replace. Maybe he has a BPO?
His can had Named Gear and a few faction things so I have no idea why he said no.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Well if he only had TI gear on it he could prob buy a new apoc, insure it and almsot fit all the mods for the 40mil you were gonna charge him.
Plus if he bought/mined all the mins he would prob make abit of profit from the insurance even if it is a pain in the arse to do.
Apoc's retail on average for 90-100mil Atm. insure is a further 20~ something mil. If he mined all of it (unlikely) then it would be almost free to Replace. Maybe he has a BPO?
His can had Named Gear and a few faction things so I have no idea why he said no.
Well if he had named and some faction gear I don't know maybe just abit of pride or maybe you should lower your ransoms abit
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Troye
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:58:00 -
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Pirates charge way to much isk for their randsoms especialy on ships which they've never piloted or dont know much about... IE: mining barges.
Not many miners with half a brain cell are gunna go out in a barge fitted with tec2 stripers, the risk and cost of replacing them is just too big. Ive been asked 40 million for my Covetor before.....
Pirates realy need to get up on ship know-how if they want to make a profit off randsoms. Most Id paye to save my Cov is 15 mill.
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Iroquois
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Posted - 2006.01.18 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
Originally by: Iroquois
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Something that puzzles me in general.
Couple nights ago me and the crew Found a Apoc wandering around low sec. I'll spare you the gory details but he eneded up 10% struc with a convo window open. I proffer a 40mil Ransom, and he Tells me to get stuffed, cos its cheaper to build a new one. The collective Response was "WTF".
So Riddle Me this;
Why do people not Pay Ransoms? Even when they are incredibly low? is it just being totally AP and not wanting to perpetuate the cycle, or are they just plain Stupid?
Maybe he's heard of the "Krazed Killer Something or Anothers" from Molden Heath before and didn't think you could actually kill the remaining 10% of his structure?
Oh thats just Cold. Really cold.
I bet your some guy who we've killed at some point taking a lil' potshot of revenge at us on the forums.
Lucky I have 85% **** Resistance
Actually no, I just happen to see KORKY pods flying by me all time on their way back to Hield.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.01.18 17:59:00 -
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People want to be ransomed, but they don't want to actually pay ransom.
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Troye
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Posted - 2006.01.18 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
People want to be ransomed, but they don't want to actually pay ransom.
well its nice to at least give your costomer the choice...
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.18 19:50:00 -
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I get my ransoms paid so very little of the time that when somebody actually does pay it I just end up sending it back and blowing them up for the highly expensive loot they've obviously got on board.
The thing is, people don't want to pay somebody who just put them back a couple hours/days/whatever of grinding. They'd rather pay more if it means the money doesn't go to the pirate. These people are dumbasses because now they neither have the option of ransoming for the few times they actually want it and spite themselves to spite the pirate.
I feel no regret when cutting them out of their ships. Sucking vacuum is too good for them.
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NestcePas
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Posted - 2006.01.18 19:55:00 -
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How about lowering your ransom?
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.01.18 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Iroquois
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Originally by: Iroquois
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Something that puzzles me in general.
Couple nights ago me and the crew Found a Apoc wandering around low sec. I'll spare you the gory details but he eneded up 10% struc with a convo window open. I proffer a 40mil Ransom, and he Tells me to get stuffed, cos its cheaper to build a new one. The collective Response was "WTF".
So Riddle Me this;
Why do people not Pay Ransoms? Even when they are incredibly low? is it just being totally AP and not wanting to perpetuate the cycle, or are they just plain Stupid?
Maybe he's heard of the "Krazed Killer Something or Anothers" from Molden Heath before and didn't think you could actually kill the remaining 10% of his structure?
Oh thats just Cold. Really cold.
I bet your some guy who we've killed at some point taking a lil' potshot of revenge at us on the forums.
Lucky I have 85% **** Resistance
Actually no, I just happen to see KORKY pods flying by me all time on their way back to Hield.
Everyone gets killed at some time. Just because you've seen out pods a few times does not mean we don't kill **** on a day to day basis.
If your clever enough, I suggest Checking out out Forums and Killboard.
See it as a little challenge, shouldn't take you more then, ooh, a few weeks. 
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.01.18 20:48:00 -
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[P.S] Now That Is Cold :P
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.01.18 22:14:00 -
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100% insurance and crap gear, shame they dont factor in the time they lose and the 31mil insurance for the next apoc
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Makree
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Posted - 2006.01.18 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Makree on 18/01/2006 23:01:00
Is there a school that you pathtic accountant pirates go to?
Oh, I forgot, there is. S*****rdly - The Pathetic Pirate Accountants.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2006.01.18 23:25:00 -
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Why pay ransom ?...only if you are carrying something very valuble...and if got caught doing that, one should suspect that the pirate "ransoming" knew that also, by scanning your ship. another reason to pay ransom, would be loss of implants, but at this stage you would proberly allready have lost yur ship.
I have never been ransomed before, and would not pay anything, but thats because i can afford it...as a new player, you may not be able to, but i think 40 mio is over the top.
I personally, would always try to fight my way out of it 
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Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.19 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
Something that puzzles me in general.
Couple nights ago me and the crew Found a Apoc wandering around low sec. I'll spare you the gory details but he eneded up 10% struc with a convo window open. I proffer a 40mil Ransom, and he Tells me to get stuffed, cos its cheaper to build a new one. The collective Response was "WTF".
So Riddle Me this;
Why do people not Pay Ransoms? Even when they are incredibly low? is it just being totally AP and not wanting to perpetuate the cycle, or are they just plain Stupid?
40 million is not low when I have 10mil to my name atm.
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Kamui Shiro
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Posted - 2006.01.19 02:59:00 -
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I build my own ships and earn a big profit thru insurance when they are blown up. Any ransom above 10 mill for my raven is too expensive as i can just build another one in 1 day of mining with my alt.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.01.19 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Berak FalCheran on 19/01/2006 03:13:16
I don't ransom.
I wouldn't pay a ransom either.
Looting cans ftw.
It's not about math it's about saying "f off" and fighting :)
Edit: I don't play EVE to get free money from people scared of me. I play EVE to blow **** up and fight. That's fun. Your wallet blinking isn't fun.
In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.01.19 03:47:00 -
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It is not so ilogical if you think it as an act of war against piracy.
Take this example: a customer can choose between
a) Paying 10 million and walking away
b) Not paying, and losing 20 million
So at first glance, you may think "hum... obviously he loses more with option b), why does he choses it?"
But... when you think of it from the point of view of war/competition:
a) he loses 10M, and gives his opponent 10M
b) he loses 20M, causing his oponent a loss of 10M (what the pirate does not get)
From this point of view, not paying is a good strategy.
(Nerd Note: it all depends on how you define the competition.
-If it is pirate-against-customer, paying ransom is a bad long-term strategy.
-If it is customer-against-customer with pirates being a factor, paying ransom is a good long-term strategy.)
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Richard Mnemonic
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Posted - 2006.01.19 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
Why do people not Pay Ransoms?
Because they do not want to make it easy for the lazy pirate. Take the security hit, the kill rights, pick up the loot, etc....
But seriously, maybe because they rather pay for a new ship to an industrialist then paying the pirate. Obviously this would only work if the mods are not that expensive and a pod kill would not be that expensive as well.
Tbh, I would not pay a ransome for a ship. Maybe for a pod but then again, probably not.
What I really think is "stuppid" is that people find NOT paying a ransome is stuppid.
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2006.01.19 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Iroquois
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Something that puzzles me in general.
Couple nights ago me and the crew Found a Apoc wandering around low sec. I'll spare you the gory details but he eneded up 10% struc with a convo window open. I proffer a 40mil Ransom, and he Tells me to get stuffed, cos its cheaper to build a new one. The collective Response was "WTF".
So Riddle Me this;
Why do people not Pay Ransoms? Even when they are incredibly low? is it just being totally AP and not wanting to perpetuate the cycle, or are they just plain Stupid?
Maybe he's heard of the "Krazed Killer Something or Anothers" from Molden Heath before and didn't think you could actually kill the remaining 10% of his structure?
This person for President of the World.
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.01.19 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
100% insurance and crap gear, shame they dont factor in the time they lose and the 31mil insurance for the next apoc
Your not allowed to whine about people not paying ransoms if you don't ask for them
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2006.01.19 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kamui Shiro
I build my own ships and earn a big profit thru insurance when they are blown up. Any ransom above 10 mill for my raven is too expensive as i can just build another one in 1 day of mining with my alt.
Mistake number one and this probably explains why some aren't smart enough to pay ransoms. Pay the ransom and so keep the ship and your pod. Now you are down 30 mil or so. Log on with your mining alt and mine the ores for the replacement raven. Build and sell that replacement raven on the market for 100mil. Now you are 70 million up on the whole process.
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Allow yourself to loose the ship = 100mil
loose the modules you have fitted = 20mil
insure the new ship = 30mil
loss = 150mil (excluding implants and new clone)
The point is minerals aren't free if you mine them yourself. You don't "earn money" through insurance. You only offset the loss of the those minerals invested in the ship.
Galactic Exploration and Mining - Web and T II Shop
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