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so it seems I'm unable to post on that stupid political board

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so it seems I'm unable to post on that stupid political board, good, i don't care about it, nor should you, together we;re more powerful than any alliance that that exists, we control empire prices they can maybe manipulate 2 items. We don't care, everyone of you now train and max out interceptors, of all races.

They attacked miners in highsec with no real repercussions, they will reap what they sowed, and we will own many a mining fleet in nullsec because our enemy won't be prepared.


Beyond this, it goes as far as you can imagine...

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so it seems I'm unable to post on that stupid political board, good, i don't care about it, nor should you, together we;re more powerful than any alliance that that exists, we control empire prices they can maybe manipulate 2 items. We don't care, everyone of you now train and max out interceptors, of all races.

They attacked miners in highsec with no real repercussions, they will reap what they sowed, and we will own many a mining fleet in nullsec because our enemy won't be prepared.


Beyond this, it goes as far as you can imagine...

Have fun stormin' da castle!

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so it seems I'm unable to post on that stupid political board, good, i don't care about it, nor should you, together we;re more powerful than any alliance that that exists, we control empire prices they can maybe manipulate 2 items. We don't care, everyone of you now train and max out interceptors, of all races.

They attacked miners in highsec with no real repercussions, they will reap what they sowed, and we will own many a mining fleet in nullsec because our enemy won't be prepared.


Beyond this, it goes as far as you can imagine...

Think it'll work?

It would take a miracle.

Just cover it in chocolate; I'm sure that'll help!

Hisec carebears don't go to nullsec, even in nullified stabbed interceptors.

... they will reap what they sowed...

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so it seems I'm unable to post on that stupid political board, good, i don't care about it, nor should you, together we;re more powerful than any alliance that that exists, we control empire prices they can maybe manipulate 2 items. We don't care, everyone of you now train and max out interceptors, of all races.

They attacked miners in highsec with no real repercussions, they will reap what they sowed, and we will own many a mining fleet in nullsec because our enemy won't be prepared.


Beyond this, it goes as far as you can imagine...

Humperdink! instead of James 315..?

Most major nullsec players rent space to whoever wants it, and that buys you standings that mean that you can tell who wants to shoot you and who doesn't, which really really simplifies your security game, and gives you access to the upper end content and intel channels and stations to support you whilst doing so.

Like it or not this is an MMO, there is a social order present on this MMO, partially because force can in fact be applied to highsec and you can buy access to the middle rung if you aren't completely useless and can manage some interpersonal relationships and some simple accounting, or you can recruit yourself into someones corp that does that for you.

The whole highsec/nullsec thing is a waste of your minds time.

In honor of this thread I think we should say "Buttercup" instead of "carebear" from now on.

In honor of this thread I think we should say "Buttercup" instead of "carebear" from now on.

Let's see - You need to fly for over an hour to get there from some highsec systems so let's say you put a JC in a NPC null station so you can quickly get there. Now you'll need to consider buying ships in null to replace losses. No logistics (resupply style) available in SOV lands ... While there are TONS of dock-up & reship/resupply available in empire...

First you correctly identify NPC nullsec stations as a place to put a jumpclone, then you completely ignore NPC nullsec stations as a place to resupply. Black frog will deliver and I would guess others will, too.

the only thing that will happen, nullbears will dockup even longer

Getting bored in VFK, Harry?

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so it seems I'm unable to post on that stupid political board, good, i don't care about it, nor should you, together we;re more powerful than any alliance that that exists, we control empire prices they can maybe manipulate 2 items. We don't care, everyone of you now train and max out interceptors, of all races.

They attacked miners in highsec with no real repercussions, they will reap what they sowed, and we will own many a mining fleet in nullsec because our enemy won't be prepared.


Beyond this, it goes as far as you can imagine...

Hisec carebears don't go to nullsec, even in nullified stabbed interceptors.

Highsecers storming 0sec... Takeshi's Castle, anyone?

its fine, just sad to see you have given up protecting your hauler and cynos

Please mail me if you're interested (please don't send me isk or anything)

:O

You are so un-goony!

its fine, just sad to see you have given up protecting your hauler and cynos

its fine, just sad to see you have given up protecting your hauler and cynos

its fine, just sad to see you have given up protecting your hauler and cynos

Some people actually take the time to protect a cynoship? My god .....

It's pretty embarrassing for you that you spend so much time in our home system and those are the only things you can find to fight.

Why would I protect a cyno? It's disposable.

and a pod...

A pod. In VFK. Oh.



Yes, that was quite clever, Harry. You're really very dangerous and I'm sure you will bring Goonswarm to its knees shooting pods off the VFK undock. I hope that I am fortunate enough to be the one to deliver Goonswarm's surrender to you personally.

Keep on shooting, Harry! Keep on flying your space ship!

Isn't the point of undocking a pod in vfk because you're trying to podjump somewhere

A pod. In VFK. Oh.



Yes, that was quite clever, Harry. You're really very dangerous and I'm sure you will bring Goonswarm to its knees shooting pods off the VFK undock. I hope that I am fortunate enough to be the one to deliver Goonswarm's surrender to you personally.

Keep on shooting, Harry! Keep on flying your space ship!

Each is entitled to either 1* genuine ACME Pitchfork or 1* genuine ACME long-burning torch.

Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head.

Your post wasn't very entertaining considering you come from an alliance based on forum posting. Try harder next time. 4/10. Your post sucks.

A pod. In VFK. Oh.



Yes, that was quite clever, Harry. You're really very dangerous and I'm sure you will bring Goonswarm to its knees shooting pods off the VFK undock. I hope that I am fortunate enough to be the one to deliver Goonswarm's surrender to you personally.

Keep on shooting, Harry! Keep on flying your space ship!

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so it seems I'm unable to post on that stupid political board.

sunday I shotdown 10 of your ships, today 4 and a pod... don't you worry, I'm doing fine

yes keep talking about my actions... thats what goons do, talk the whole day about what harry is doing

keep it real

In outer space, a space ship is hiding. It is hiding near a space station.

Inside the space ship is a man. The man is waiting. What is he waiting for? He is waiting for a goon.

Suddenly, a space pod comes out of the space station. Inside the pod is a goon. The man in the space ship knows there is a goon in the pod. He knows that this is what he has been waiting for.

The goon says, "Pod express, please!" But the man in the space ship will not let the goon wait for the pod express, whatever that is. He quickly flies his space ship toward the pod. He shoots his space ship's guns at the pod. The pod explodes. The goon that was inside it is dead.

The man returns his space ship to its hiding place near the space station. He waits again.

The man's name is Harry Forever.

Bunch of people who won't even go to lowsec are going to invade null? Cool.

together we;re more powerful than any alliance that that exists

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so it seems I'm unable to post on that stupid political board, good, i don't care about it, nor should you, together we;re more powerful than any alliance that that exists, we control empire prices they can maybe manipulate 2 items. We don't care, everyone of you now train and max out interceptors, of all races.

They attacked miners in highsec with no real repercussions, they will reap what they sowed, and we will own many a mining fleet in nullsec because our enemy won't be prepared.


Beyond this, it goes as far as you can imagine...

Khergit Deserters, that's a very good analysis.

More than some minimum SP, more than a resume of KM's, every single recruitment thread will demand VOICE COMMS and a working mic.
For some reason, this is by far the hardest thing to get people to do. They'll text, rant on forums, whatever...but are terrified of actually speaking to another human.

More than giant fleet numbers or high end ships- what makes corps/alliances powerful is their ability to work together. Voice comms are not an option in a game like Eve. I have TeamSpeak, Mumble, and Vent all downloaded and ready so I can fleet up with pretty much anybody that isn't shooting me in the face.
That also leads to...dread...making friends.

High Sec is obsessed with playing an MMO, solo. Look at all the threads from people that will ask 'how to do this or that solo' on forums but utterly refuse to actually fleet up and possibly learn something useful.

Given that high sec'ers abjectly refuse to even associate with each other, any talk of a uprising is just hot air, and fodder for jokes.

Khergit Deserters, that's a very good analysis.

More than some minimum SP, more than a resume of KM's, every single recruitment thread will demand VOICE COMMS and a working mic.
For some reason, this is by far the hardest thing to get people to do. They'll text, rant on forums, whatever...but are terrified of actually speaking to another human.

More than giant fleet numbers or high end ships- what makes corps/alliances powerful is their ability to work together. Voice comms are not an option in a game like Eve. I have TeamSpeak, Mumble, and Vent all downloaded and ready so I can fleet up with pretty much anybody that isn't shooting me in the face.
That also leads to...dread...making friends.

High Sec is obsessed with playing an MMO, solo. Look at all the threads from people that will ask 'how to do this or that solo' on forums but utterly refuse to actually fleet up and possibly learn something useful.

Given that high sec'ers abjectly refuse to even associate with each other, any talk of a uprising is just hot air, and fodder for jokes.

nope we don't want to talk to you on voice comms, because it would anoye the **** out of us

you people are getting too attached as well, we like our freedom..

trust me, this comes with age... you will understand someday

Whereas the typical nullsec bears will balk at such ideas as the OP implies, those who do try it, stabbed dessie, bomber, or not, will find themselves doing things they have not done before and having a good time at it.

This, I recall, was the point of playing a game.


As for voice comms.....

Once I was in an FCORD fleet and the FC sounded like a total nerd. It's not a crime to sound like a nerd though and I didn't care. But some ladies dig that. So my girlfriend comes into the room and hears him and she's like "oh he sounds so cute!" and I'm like scrambling for the mute.

More than some minimum SP, more than a resume of KM's, every single recruitment thread will demand VOICE COMMS and a working mic.
For some reason, this is by far the hardest thing to get people to do. They'll text, rant on forums, whatever...but are terrified of actually speaking to another human.

More than giant fleet numbers or high end ships- what makes corps/alliances powerful is their ability to work together. Voice comms are not an option in a game like Eve. I have TeamSpeak, Mumble, and Vent all downloaded and ready so I can fleet up with pretty much anybody that isn't shooting me in the face.
That also leads to...dread...making friends.

High Sec is obsessed with playing an MMO, solo. Look at all the threads from people that will ask 'how to do this or that solo' on forums but utterly refuse to actually fleet up and possibly learn something useful.

Given that high sec'ers abjectly refuse to even associate with each other, any talk of a uprising is just hot air, and fodder for jokes.

Indeed, it takes some guts to crash a null gate camp solo and go deep with a low SP char in a Catalyst or Thrasher. You have to give Harry (and the rest of us) some credit for that.

Indeed, it takes some guts to crash a null gate camp solo and go deep with a low SP char in a Catalyst or Thrasher. You have to give Harry (and the rest of us) some credit for that.

Whereas the typical nullsec bears will balk at such ideas as the OP implies

those who do try it, stabbed dessie, bomber, or not, will find themselves doing things they have not done before and having a good time at it.

Maybe you missed all of Fountain and Delve being taken during gigantic, server melting battles with thousands of people fighting at once. People that work together, fleet up, talk on voice comms.....all the things high sec care bears utterly refuse to do.
That only happens because we actually undock and do things....together.

Wait wait wait

Delve... gigantic battles? You mean bombers shooting sov structures 23.5/7 ?

WTF is this post suppose to be about?

WTF is this post suppose to be about?

We had a small nullsec invasion from highsec going for a while. Was much fun. But it eventually faded away because:

-About half of the people in our chat channel never talked or communicated. Who knows what they were doing. Pretty much like what happens with regular corps. Some percentage are just silent. Some of the lurkers probably spies, but that wasn't a problem., we dealt with it.

-Some people joined expecting a fully-organized operation, with a commander issuing orders and directing things. In other words, something like a PVP corp, instead of a collection of autonomous carebear individuals. Big paradox there: If we were organized like a corp, would we be a carebear invasion collective? Subject to being infiltrated, wardecced and crushed by any decent-sized null corp?

-TZ differences split a small group into two smaller groups. Things agreed on by mail were hard to implement, because we were online at different times.

-Diverse goals. Some wanted to kill Goon and CFC nullbears, others wanted to make isk doing nullsec anoms and ratting.

-Perpetual camps on the chokepoint gates from highsec to nullsec. We could infiltrate through them solo some percentage of the time, but it involved absorbing fairly expensive ship losses.

-In my own case, Goons and CFC in null weren't arsehats enough to really hate. Some were pretty funny in Local actually. That took away some of my fanatical urge for violence.

But it was much fun, and it could have worked if more people had shown up. It did prove that null isn't as dangerous as a lot of highsec people think. 39 jumps through null, no problem. One jump into Amamake, dead.

yea, keep talking... thats what goons do

keep going...

In honor of this thread I think we should say "Buttercup" instead of "carebear" from now on.

uh...sure. That sounds like a totally reasonable and rational excuse. Not at all a kindergarten level attempt at projection.



Wow, grasping at straws to justify being alone in a community of a couple hundred thousand people. It's not just a video game, oh no, this is about freedom. sure. Hang on, let me put the tall boots on to wade thru this...

Look, if your thing is living up to the stereotype of the nerd in a basement, alone with his cheetos and mouse clicks, that's fine. But trying to pass it off as something more noble than that is just childish.
But freedom? Really? You're stuck in a small, boring part of Eve- where 2/3 of the universe is scary and the part you do live in is full of people unable to band together to accomplish anything. In contrast, I go where I want with impunity, and can call on help (real, actual people...oh no) if things go sideways. If I need something, I ask a friend and amazingly, I get it.
THAT is freedom,dude. I fly what I want, when I want, where I want, and with an entire alliance at my back. Who has YOUR back in New Eden?



I'm 41, doubtful you have much to offer me on life experience. With age comes leaving mom's basement, meeting other humans and being able to interact with them. I can fire up TS right now and just chat with friends from around the world. That is really why I even play this game.
Imagine that, playing a Massively Multiplayer game with the specific intention of playing with multiple players?! Crazy talk.....

see, you are getting too attached as well

try some solo gameplay, the best ideas never come up in groups, only individuals come up with it, groups are just needed for the execution... nothing more

the people who make you do what you do, are solo players, you might not even know them or what they plan...

still we are leading you

I vote for Cute Homicidal Teddybear Cows.

It would take a miracle.

No, you will not tell us how this game is going to be played out, we will bring you down, there will be nothing left standing in nullsec, anything anchored will be destroyed, every station will be owned by small clusters of cooperatives who share the ideals of free trade between other cooperative organisations.

The solution is fresh in my mind, the solution is simple, we create a centralised Intel net, using third party software which has been specifically built for such a purpose.

Players who wish to join into the fight against the big alliances download the software, they plugin their ship fit which of course can be imported and saved with any number of other fits, the program will also send any Intel the player/players input into it to a central server, along with their ship type and fit.

The central server using a sovereignty map + intel fed into it, will send issue out commands to call signs to form up at x system, it will give them all a mission... It will flash a box green to go and state the next system, it will instruct the player to click when they are in that system, it will wait x amount of seconds to wait for every other player to arrive, then issue the next jump command etc.

Until all players enter the system where they have to be, it will then command them to warp to what ever location in the target system the mission is to be carried out, only then will it actually tell them what they are going to be doing, this removes all possibility of spying. You see man, you think you're really intelligent don't you, you talk shite on this forum, pfft, I've done nothing but plot the destruction of nullsec and removing turd like you from the bigger picture since coming back to eve.

I've not begun to code this central intel net yet but believe me, its going to work, its going to be 100% secure, its going to be an AI that sees potential everything, its not going to automate anything, its not going to break any rules, its only going to provide causal players with a means to just get in and fight the enemy, its probably gonna be better them FW...

So shutup

"I hate the nullsec alliances, because fascism!!!"

"Now, everyone download my untested, fingers crossed behind my back third party software so I can tell each and every one of you exactly what to do to make my dreams come true!"

All being directed by their own intel they provide the system, the system will have checks in place to prevent false intel from ever being used in the decision making.

a few thousand randoms

As a bit of an amateur coder myself, please tell me how this isn't totally impossible. You do realize you can't just wave your magic wand, say "computer code!" and whatever you want happens, right?

Oh, and if this is going to be so extensive and provide support to, as you put it, in realtime as a pseudo intel channel, how are you going to host it?

I mean, DotLan updates in real time and it has to rely on donations to stay afloat, but it doesn't need near the processing power that your idea will. That'd be about $5k worth of server hosting a month just on it's own, nevermind where are you going to get the hardware and at what cost.

Oh, yeah. That is, unless you intend for the third party software to piggyback off the host process (in which case it violates the EULA) or to draw bandwidth from the user's computer (in which case, it could easily be flat out illegal malware).

So please, more details.

I like the part where you want people to pay you to get rid of greed.

I know you're a goon but does this make more sense sir?

Oh, it makes perfect sense. Proceed with our destruction.

Goons ruin everything

remember BOB? Small issue right? Took one persons actions to ruin them.

One person, with director rights, who happened to join goons. The whole thing was shear luck.

and since i doubt any goons will be joining your hi-sec scrub corp your only option is this:

join GSF executor corp.
Avoid being a complete noob for likely several years to even have the option of gaining directorship.
Destroy gsf and cfc (Only 1 group of null players)
Hope gsf don't reform.

So if you fancy spending years in null sec for even a shot at it you'd better somehow join goons and learn about those mysterious 'voice comms' people are on about.

Oh and by that time you would probably see how scrubby high seccers are and just give up your plan.

How am I going to make it secure against attacks of goons etc? API key, that is one method, other methods I won't discuss as to not compromise it...

I'm going to go ahead and tell you that I underplayed my hand when I said I had a little experience in this field.

And then I'm going to tell you that unless you use the kind of IP tracer that is highly, internationally illegal (for everything but government use anyway) on everyone who tries to log into your system, all day everyday (and even then, hello library public computer use!) then it is flatly impossible.

You won't discuss other methods because they do not exist.

I'm going to go ahead and tell you that I underplayed my hand when I said I had a little experience in this field.

And then I'm going to tell you that unless you use the kind of IP tracer that is highly, internationally illegal (for everything but government use anyway) on everyone who tries to log into your system, all day everyday (and even then, hello library public computer use!) then it is flatly impossible.

You won't discuss other methods because they do not exist.

No, you will not tell us how this game is going to be played out

10/10/13

remember it.

It's 10/10/13

Anything eventful happen?

It's 10/10/13

Anything eventful happen?