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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 12:43:00 -
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Is it only me that thinks that atm it's retarded that you cannot defend yourself from someone that has killrights on you if that person decides to attack?
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Stephen HB
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Posted - 2006.01.21 12:46:00 -
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Um, I thought you could? As far as I'm aware once someone has attacked you, returning fire is entirely OK. Otherwise the 'bait and gank' can flagging wouldn't work.
If concord is destroying people for fighting back, bug report it, as I'm pretty sure this isn't supposed to happen.
-- Originally by: Nyphur
The irony is astounding. The sheer level of raw irony here is enough to iron my clothes for a year.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.01.21 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 21/01/2006 12:46:36
Originally by: Felxia
Is it only me that thinks that atm it's retarded that you cannot defend yourself from someone that has killrights on you if that person decides to attack?
I don't know how it is at the moment, but imho you should always be able to defend yourself without reaction of concorde, no matter when or why you are attacked.
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Felxia on 21/01/2006 12:49:51
Originally by: Stephen HB
Um, I thought you could? As far as I'm aware once someone has attacked you, returning fire is entirely OK. Otherwise the 'bait and gank' can flagging wouldn't work.
If concord is destroying people for fighting back, bug report it, as I'm pretty sure this isn't supposed to happen.
"Response ([GM]Rendo) - 01/05/2006 05:34 PM
Hi Robert,
What you experienced is not a bug. If you attack and kill another player then he receives kill rights on you. He can then attack you anywhere in empire space without Concord intervention. If you retaliate then Concord will intervene if you are in a empire system. According to the devs then this is how it was designed and it's not a bug. If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us again. We'll do all we can to help.
Best regards,
The EVE Online Customer Support Team"
From a dev response, this proves that if you get attacked in empire you do not have the right to return fire.
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Ardent Rellik
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Posted - 2006.01.21 12:52:00 -
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Crap.... does that mean dozen or so peeps can attack me in empire and I cant fire back.... oh...man.
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ardent Rellik
Crap.... does that mean dozen or so peeps can attack me in empire and I cant fire back.... oh...man.
yeah, and thats what I find rediculous, not only do only they have the right to decide when to attack but they can do so without getting shot back at. However I thin kthis only affects ppl the DID NOT fire back, miners for example.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.01.21 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 21/01/2006 13:05:12
Originally by: Felxia
Edited by: Felxia on 21/01/2006 12:49:51
Originally by: Stephen HB
Um, I thought you could? As far as I'm aware once someone has attacked you, returning fire is entirely OK. Otherwise the 'bait and gank' can flagging wouldn't work.
If concord is destroying people for fighting back, bug report it, as I'm pretty sure this isn't supposed to happen.
"Response ([GM]Rendo) - 01/05/2006 05:34 PM
Hi Robert,
What you experienced is not a bug. If you attack and kill another player then he receives kill rights on you. He can then attack you anywhere in empire space without Concord intervention. If you retaliate then Concord will intervene if you are in a empire system. According to the devs then this is how it was designed and it's not a bug. If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us again. We'll do all we can to help.
Best regards,
The EVE Online Customer Support Team"
From a dev response, this proves that if you get attacked in empire you do not have the right to return fire.
Since I respect the work of the devs, it's really difficult for me not to say that I think that this is crap. 
edit: Well at least concorde doesn't scramble and web you, so that somebody can take revenge a few days later, but it's not much difference imho.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia
Is it only me that thinks that atm it's retarded that you cannot defend yourself from someone that has killrights on you if that person decides to attack?
I have heard this before. Have you tested it?
As a rule of thumb, you can always defend yourself if someone attacks you.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:03:00 -
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felxia- why are you posting? is gingermagician banned?
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Clytamnestra
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Felxia
Is it only me that thinks that atm it's retarded that you cannot defend yourself from someone that has killrights on you if that person decides to attack?
I have heard this before. Have you tested it?
As a rule of thumb, you can always defend yourself if someone attacks you.
Well, if the GM's aknowledge that it's not the case for killrights, then I guess that takes precedence.
On the other hand, it's bothersome that there are situations where you cannot fire back without getting concordokken'd - it sounds just weird. And it's open for abuse.
Myself, I have noticed that the only kill rights I have are from fights where I've not fired back. So it might be one of those mechanism.
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
felxia- why are you posting? is gingermagician banned?
Casue I've some people have killrights on me and I think it's unfair that I can't defend myself 
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 21/01/2006 13:13:34
Perhaps it's a misunderstanding ?
Like if A kills B, B gets killrights on A, so B kills A but then A doesn't get killrights on B again. Well, if the GMs mean that, then it makes sense.
But if you can't defend yourself without concorde intervention, then something is totally wrong.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia
Originally by: HippoKing
felxia- why are you posting? is gingermagician banned?
Casue I've some people have killrights on me and I think it's unfair that I can't defend myself
i get the unfairness, but i just wondered why this thread wasn't made by ginger?
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Clytamnestra
Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Felxia
Is it only me that thinks that atm it's retarded that you cannot defend yourself from someone that has killrights on you if that person decides to attack?
I have heard this before. Have you tested it?
As a rule of thumb, you can always defend yourself if someone attacks you.
Well, if the GM's aknowledge that it's not the case for killrights, then I guess that takes precedence.
On the other hand, it's bothersome that there are situations where you cannot fire back without getting concordokken'd - it sounds just weird. And it's open for abuse.
Myself, I have noticed that the only kill rights I have are from fights where I've not fired back. So it might be one of those mechanism.
you can in other words just sit in 0.0 in a shuttle and get pwned. For example a fleet. You'll get kill rights on all those peeps cause you could not fight back and then in empire pwn them all without anything happaning. However if the fleet decides to leave you alone your gonna give enemies their position away number count ship types etc. Even setups if you can scan em.
It's just... wrong.
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Ebil Fred
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ebil Fred on 21/01/2006 13:25:59
While not being able to defend yourself may suck try not to forget why they have kill rights on you in the first place.
/edit: IIRC Kill rights does not aplly to 0.0 only low sec and high sec empire.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia
you can in other words just sit in 0.0 in a shuttle and get pwned. For example a fleet. You'll get kill rights on all those peeps cause you could not fight back and then in empire pwn them all without anything happaning. However if the fleet decides to leave you alone your gonna give enemies their position away number count ship types etc. Even setups if you can scan em.
It's just... wrong.
If that is true, then it is ludicrous.
I think that kill rights are a great idea btw - anything that creates additional pvp opportunities gets my vote. But CONCORD intervening if you defend yourself is just wrong. It makes no sense.
If you have time, it might be worth testing it with a couple of your alts and creating a bug report. I know you've quoted a GM response, but they can sometimes get it wrong.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Felxia
Originally by: HippoKing
felxia- why are you posting? is gingermagician banned?
Casue I've some people have killrights on me and I think it's unfair that I can't defend myself
i get the unfairness, but i just wondered why this thread wasn't made by ginger?
Why dont you do us all a favour and attempt to keep to the topic instead of postulating of the true identity of the OP.
Before you revealed it was a ginger thread there was a very good chance that people would address the point and not "who made the point"
For the record, I think you should be able to retaliate.
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Sim Frost
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:24:00 -
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So what were you expecting? Being a criminal and flying around freely like a bird in empire space continuing to kill noobs without suffering the consequences?
And stop talking as if there is no other option! There is always the other option which is running...
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Brisi on 21/01/2006 13:24:40
Originally by: Felxia
"Response ([GM]Rendo) - 01/05/2006 05:34 PM
Hi Robert,
What you experienced is not a bug. If you attack and kill another player then he receives kill rights on you. He can then attack you anywhere in empire space without Concord intervention. If you retaliate then Concord will intervene if you are in a empire system. According to the devs then this is how it was designed and it's not a bug. If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us again. We'll do all we can to help.
Best regards,
The EVE Online Customer Support Team"
This is absolutely rediculous. I can't find any other word for it. You should ALWAYS be able to retaliate on an agressor, no matter why he's attacked you. This will be exploited so much, I can't even begin to imagine the numerous possibilities.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Before you revealed it was a ginger thread there was a very good chance that people would address the point and not "who made the point"[/.quote]
yeah, thats a fair point.
Originally by: Deja Thoris
For the record, I think you should be able to retaliate.
and for the record, i think so too
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sim Frost
So what were you expecting? Being a criminal and flying around freely like a bird in empire space continuing to kill noobs without suffering the consequences?
And stop talking as if there is no other option! There is always the other option which is running...
How about you start using your brain a little? The whole point is that there are consequences, i.e kill rights. However, not being able to retaliate when someone (who has kill rights on you) without triggering Concord is just idiotic.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:27:00 -
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Sim: it's about not being able to defend themselves. Right now they are a free target, with the only option being to sit and take it. If you fire on someone you have killrights on, they should have every opportunity to defend themselves and attack you back.
I think this is a bug and would expect CCP to allow everyone to defend themselves when being attacked.
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:28:00 -
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Please do not post correspondence with GMs on the forums.
Jacques
Member of the official Eris Discordia Fanclub
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sim Frost
So what were you expecting? Being a criminal and flying around freely like a bird in empire space continuing to kill noobs without suffering the consequences?
And stop talking as if there is no other option! There is always the other option which is running...
Well, that's not quite true, if you care to think about it. A negative security status stops you flying around Empire free as a bird. I recently podded a pirate in low sec without thinking (I'm more used to shooting at war targets - that's my excuse for being so dumb) and it pushed me over -2 sec status. Given that my main routes take me through a 1.0 system, this was really inconvenient. After losing a couple of ships to the Republic Fleet, I had to go and shoot Sansha battleships for a bit to fix it.
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Sim Frost
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:33:00 -
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Nah, think about it, the assistance of Concord could be the only thing some noobs can have against vet pirates or gankers. I think it is brilliant
As I said, running is always an option. You don't have to defend yourself when attacked in +0.5. You can RUN. Believe me most of us make a difficult living running from lazy gate campers at every corner.
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Clytamnestra
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:35:00 -
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The "patch notes" for the Eye for an Eye feature of Red Moon Rising has this to say on the matter:
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If you lose your ship within Empire space because of unsanctioned combat, you earn the right to revenge your loss for a limited time, and can kill the assailant on sight.
The only people I have kill rights on are people who killed me without me shooting back at all. And if it's true that you can't fire back without getting concordokkened, well then I have before me a way of making a lot of money.
Drive up to a gate-camp in a shuttle. I've gotten kill-rights on the entire gang that sniped me at one gate-camp. Then find them and destroy them. If they shoot back, they get concordokkened.
That hardly sounds fair. Everyone should have the right to fire back once fired upon - otherwize there's an opportunity for abuse.
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gummi
Originally by: Clytamnestra
The "patch notes" for the Eye for an Eye feature of Red Moon Rising has this to say on the matter:
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If you lose your ship within Empire space because of unsanctioned combat, you earn the right to revenge your loss for a limited time, and can kill the assailant on sight.
The only people I have kill rights on are people who killed me without me shooting back at all. And if it's true that you can't fire back without getting concordokkened, well then I have before me a way of making a lot of money.
Drive up to a gate-camp in a shuttle. I've gotten kill-rights on the entire gang that sniped me at one gate-camp. Then find them and destroy them. If they shoot back, they get concordokkened.
That hardly sounds fair. Everyone should have the right to fire back once fired upon - otherwize there's an opportunity for abuse.
Exactly. The shuttle is the key, use it to gain kill rights, and to difuse kill rights in empire.
yep
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
are killrights private, or corp?
private i think
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Gummi
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia
Originally by: HippoKing
are killrights private, or corp?
private i think
yep
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robacz
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: robacz on 21/01/2006 13:47:41
Originally by: Clytamnestra
The "patch notes" for the Eye for an Eye feature of Red Moon Rising has this to say on the matter:
Quote:
If you lose your ship within Empire space because of unsanctioned combat, you earn the right to revenge your loss for a limited time, and can kill the assailant on sight.
The only people I have kill rights on are people who killed me without me shooting back at all. And if it's true that you can't fire back without getting concordokkened, well then I have before me a way of making a lot of money.
Drive up to a gate-camp in a shuttle. I've gotten kill-rights on the entire gang that sniped me at one gate-camp. Then find them and destroy them. If they shoot back, they get concordokkened.
That hardly sounds fair. Everyone should have the right to fire back once fired upon - otherwize there's an opportunity for abuse.
Fair? Heh and how fair is killing unarmed shuttle? Imho its perfect, it makes ppl think twice before they kill players who have no chance to fight back.
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Brianis Danemire
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:52:00 -
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IMHO if you commit a "Crime" and someone gets kill rights on you, You should get concorded. If your pirating and ganking miners for eg you are an outlaw and therefore have no rights. If I had my way once you chose the path of a pirate (and I want them in eve, dont get me wrong) you should have to really prove you had changed by months of grinding to even be allowed inside high sec empire again. I cant wait for the day I can go hunting pirates in low sec empire without losing standing. Pirates have it way way too easy IMO.
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: robacz
Edited by: robacz on 21/01/2006 13:47:41
Originally by: Clytamnestra
The "patch notes" for the Eye for an Eye feature of Red Moon Rising has this to say on the matter:
Quote:
If you lose your ship within Empire space because of unsanctioned combat, you earn the right to revenge your loss for a limited time, and can kill the assailant on sight.
The only people I have kill rights on are people who killed me without me shooting back at all. And if it's true that you can't fire back without getting concordokkened, well then I have before me a way of making a lot of money.
Drive up to a gate-camp in a shuttle. I've gotten kill-rights on the entire gang that sniped me at one gate-camp. Then find them and destroy them. If they shoot back, they get concordokkened.
That hardly sounds fair. Everyone should have the right to fire back once fired upon - otherwize there's an opportunity for abuse.
Fair? Heh and how fair is killing unarmed shuttle? Imho its perfect, it makes ppl think twice before they kill players who have no chance to fight back.
you didn't read my post above. spies? spieing for enemy fleets, numbers etc. Haulers? miners? 0.0 is a wasteland these killrights imo should only affect 0.1 to 0.4
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Ozzie Asrail
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:56:00 -
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If thats true then its pretty stupid, can theives can fire back and defend themselves why not the same with kill rights?
I can think of some great griefing oppertunities by using this agaist other players. When will carebears learn that the more rules you put in a game makes it easier to exploit and grief people with.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:59:00 -
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"you didn't read my post above. spies? spieing for enemy fleets, numbers etc. Haulers? miners? 0.0 is a wasteland these killrights imo should only affect 0.1 to 0.4"
"If you lose your ship within Empire space because of unsanctioned combat, you earn the right to revenge your loss for a limited time, and can kill the assailant on sight."
doesn't sound like 0.0 is included there.
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robacz
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:01:00 -
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I dont see why miner or hauler shouldnt have right to kill you if you kill his unarmed vessel. Spying might be a problem, but if someone has something worth of spying, I guess this person/corp should be able to handle killrights risk.
If you are a pirate, you should accept that your rights in empire are very limited.
If you claim some space and kill anyone you dont like to enter, you should accept that empire wont like it. This one maybe was a spy, but next one could be innocent tourist with Gallentean passport.  You kill them, you risk CONCORD will help with your death in empire.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:06:00 -
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What a load of carebear crap. People were right CCP, you have gone down the carebear path.
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Sister 9
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:24:00 -
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this thread is hilarious, all the carebear pirates out in full handbag swinging force.
the simple matter is, don't kill people in Empire if you can't handle the consequences.
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Stop pidgeon holing people you know nothing about. It's pathetic and bound to be inaccurate.
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"you didn't read my post above. spies? spieing for enemy fleets, numbers etc. Haulers? miners? 0.0 is a wasteland these killrights imo should only affect 0.1 to 0.4"
"If you lose your ship within Empire space because of unsanctioned combat, you earn the right to revenge your loss for a limited time, and can kill the assailant on sight."
doesn't sound like 0.0 is included there.
why do these guys have killrights then? I killed them in 0.0
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia
Originally by: j0sephine
"you didn't read my post above. spies? spieing for enemy fleets, numbers etc. Haulers? miners? 0.0 is a wasteland these killrights imo should only affect 0.1 to 0.4"
"If you lose your ship within Empire space because of unsanctioned combat, you earn the right to revenge your loss for a limited time, and can kill the assailant on sight."
doesn't sound like 0.0 is included there.
why do these guys have killrights then? I killed them in 0.0
empire 0.0 or true 0.0?
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Ozzie Asrail
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sister 9
this thread is hilarious, all the carebear pirates out in full handbag swinging force.
the simple matter is, don't kill people in Empire if you can't handle the consequences.
Yup it is hilarious, and the threads from carebears who get griefed becuse of this feature will be 100x as good as this thread.
btw, read your own sig yea?
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 21/01/2006 14:43:58
Edited by: Snake Jankins on 21/01/2006 14:43:05
Originally by: Sister 9
this thread is hilarious, all the carebear pirates out in full handbag swinging force.
the simple matter is, don't kill people in Empire if you can't handle the consequences.
If the consequences were that a victim was allowed to hunt someone down with his corp mates or with a mercenary to take revenge, then it would be fine imho. I just don't like it that concorde reacts, if you defend yourself.
Well, I'm not a pirate. If I was, I'd stay in low-sec and wouldn't care at all about this stuff. I'd just try to kill ships that could carry interesting loot or ransom them without worrying about my sec rating.
If someone gets killright against me now, I just won't enter hi-sec, either. And if that person made a stupid comment about his 'killrights' against me in low-sec, I'd try to kill him there again just to show that I give a fck. 
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Patric Murphy
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Brianis Danemire
IMHO if you commit a "Crime" and someone gets kill rights on you, You should get concorded. If your pirating and ganking miners for eg you are an outlaw and therefore have no rights. If I had my way once you chose the path of a pirate...you should have to really prove you had changed by months of grinding to even be allowed inside high sec empire again... Pirates have it way way too easy IMO.
I would like to know how pirates have it easy? i'm willing to bet you have never spent 2-3 hours looking for a rock to mine and end up showing a profit of less than 100K isk. Some people here seam to think that annyone who kills another ship shold just lay down and take it becoulse they "thats what they deserve" So how bout all those Anti Pirates" that have a lower security rating than me? youre logic says that they shuld be ganked by concord also every time they enter hi sec. Pirates alrady have enough obsticals to over come, being able to defend our selves shouldnt be one of them.
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Felxia
Originally by: j0sephine
"you didn't read my post above. spies? spieing for enemy fleets, numbers etc. Haulers? miners? 0.0 is a wasteland these killrights imo should only affect 0.1 to 0.4"
"If you lose your ship within Empire space because of unsanctioned combat, you earn the right to revenge your loss for a limited time, and can kill the assailant on sight."
doesn't sound like 0.0 is included there.
why do these guys have killrights then? I killed them in 0.0
true ofc.
empire 0.0 or true 0.0?
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Felxia on 21/01/2006 15:14:19
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
Originally by: Sister 9
this thread is hilarious, all the carebear pirates out in full handbag swinging force.
the simple matter is, don't kill people in Empire if you can't handle the consequences.
Yup it is hilarious, and the threads from carebears who get griefed becuse of this feature will be 100x as good as this thread.
btw, read your own sig yea?
if you had a brain you'd maybe understand that 0.0 space is not empire.
And also, i dont have a sig...
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Ozzie Asrail
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia
Edited by: Felxia on 21/01/2006 15:14:19
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
Originally by: Sister 9
this thread is hilarious, all the carebear pirates out in full handbag swinging force.
the simple matter is, don't kill people in Empire if you can't handle the consequences.
Yup it is hilarious, and the threads from carebears who get griefed becuse of this feature will be 100x as good as this thread.
btw, read your own sig yea?
if you had a brain you'd maybe understand that 0.0 space is not empire.
And also, i dont have a sig...
 Umm I know 0.0 isn't empire and i know you dont have a sig...
Maybe you can insult someone who actually quoted you next time?
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:42:00 -
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It is a bug and I got hit by it. A friendly GM gave me my ship back. So just be pushy and ask to forward it to a senior GM.
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$ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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Clytamnestra
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
It is a bug and I got hit by it. A friendly GM gave me my ship back. So just be pushy and ask to forward it to a senior GM.
Good news that.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:02:00 -
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"why do these guys have killrights then? I killed them in 0.0"
No idea; if it was indeed true 0.0 system ('numbers and letters' name, no empire faction sovereignty, no gate guns) ... bug report it, please? ^^;
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Gummi
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
It is a bug and I got hit by it. A friendly GM gave me my ship back. So just be pushy and ask to forward it to a senior GM.
So is this another bug, that the GM's think is game design.
Getting really tired of these bugs.
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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:13:00 -
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If some one kills you in 0.0 you do not get kill rights. You only get kill rights if you are killed in .1-1.0 space and you were not at war with the person/corp and if he did not have kill rights against you.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Brianis Danemire
IMHO if you commit a "Crime" and someone gets kill rights on you, You should get concorded. If your pirating and ganking miners for eg you are an outlaw and therefore have no rights. If I had my way once you chose the path of a pirate (and I want them in eve, dont get me wrong) you should have to really prove you had changed by months of grinding to even be allowed inside high sec empire again. I cant wait for the day I can go hunting pirates in low sec empire without losing standing. Pirates have it way way too easy IMO.
Ironically, all the people that have kill rights against me are pirates or in a pirate alliance...
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:41:00 -
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For those who do not know, Killrights are private and they can only be activated whilst killing someone in empire space. 0.0, it does not work, aggression timers do not set off in 0.0. It also does not work on outlaws.
Well I had no problem with the idea of someone being able to kill/take revenge on someone who had taken their ship in a earlier bout. But the idea of the person can not defend themselves offensively(with guns) when attacked, is about as stupid as it gets.
And for you idiots posting that this is what the empire griefer pirate, people who enjoy the game for the pvp and not the pve, deserve. Its absurd, there should be no such thing as free passes to kill someone, especially one with the time length of a month.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:49:00 -
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In my thread all the eve fanbois/anti-gingers said they loved killrights lol
The fact is they r crazy - they only apply to empire kills and if u shoot back u will be concordokken
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Posted - 2006.01.21 18:34:00 -
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If somebody actually knew how to play the game, they'd be playing it, they wouldn't be sitting around answering petitions, 'k? It's obviously a bug (not even CCP are that much a bunch of 'bears!). I can't believe none of you haven't just gotten some alts and tried it out for yourself.
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Posted - 2006.01.21 19:21:00 -
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LOL i cant actually believe the DEV's let this into TQ like this, for someone like me who has a bounty, im sure many people will try and kill me in 0.0 or low sec if they have the chance LOL time to fly around low sec in a condor, let them blow me up, then find them via agents in empire and gank there faction fitted 2billion isk battleships! LOL
good job CCP support the griefers
This is plain idiotic. lol
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.01.21 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia
Originally by: HippoKing
felxia- why are you posting? *snip*
Casue I've some people have killrights on me and I think it's unfair that I can't defend myself
Awww how awful, sounds more like poetic justice, you know.. how you ganked a newbie unable to shoot back and now its happening to you gagagaga.
Just stay in low sec and you wont have to worry about being spanked by concorde.
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.01.21 20:55:00 -
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When did you start playing again Felixa?
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.01.21 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns
LOL i cant actually believe the DEV's let this into TQ like this, for someone like me who has a bounty, im sure many people will try and kill me in 0.0 or low sec if they have the chance LOL time to fly around low sec in a condor, let them blow me up, then find them via agents in empire and gank there faction fitted 2billion isk battleships! LOL
good job CCP support the griefers
This is plain idiotic. lol
Thats what you should do, fly in a condor but you have to make it easy on us carebears be somewhere close to high sec that way my 2 alt's won't have far to travel and pod ya.
If you like i could leave them online docked in a station so you can smack talk em silly telling them how stupid they were to dare pod you and now they wont be able to fly their faction BS's any more for the next month .
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Brianis Danemire
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Patric Murphy
Originally by: Brianis Danemire
IMHO if you commit a "Crime" and someone gets kill rights on you, You should get concorded. If your pirating and ganking miners for eg you are an outlaw and therefore have no rights. If I had my way once you chose the path of a pirate...you should have to really prove you had changed by months of grinding to even be allowed inside high sec empire again... Pirates have it way way too easy IMO.
I would like to know how pirates have it easy? i'm willing to bet you have never spent 2-3 hours looking for a rock to mine and end up showing a profit of less than 100K isk. Some people here seam to think that annyone who kills another ship shold just lay down and take it becoulse they "thats what they deserve" So how bout all those Anti Pirates" that have a lower security rating than me? youre logic says that they shuld be ganked by concord also every time they enter hi sec. Pirates alrady have enough obsticals to over come, being able to defend our selves shouldnt be one of them.
I think bounty hunters should not a a security hit they should get a bonus from concord to kill Pirates. Pirates do have it easy. they have the carebear alt to make them money then go for easy kills a gates. There are a few, i admit that make an "honest" living from pirating but most I fear do not.
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
When did you start playing again Felixa?
been palying the whole time
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Warp Warrior
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Posted - 2006.01.23 02:26:00 -
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omfg this kill rights thing is unbelievable!
What's the point of pvp in empire if you can't defend yourself?
Seems to me like Eve is getting the Earth and Beyond disease. Is this just the first step toward elimination of pvp? Believe me I will quit this game in a heartbeat if it goes that way. When I found out EnB had no pvp I quit faster than cat with its tail on fire!
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