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My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:36:00 -
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we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
813
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:48:00 -
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How does a 2004 character not understand how bad this idea is????
Also, its a sandbox, hire a merc!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:48:00 -
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My Dream wrote:we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way
You can already put a bounty on anyone - put enough on them and they become worth ganking even in high-sec with CONCORD response.
You can also gank them yourself - and view the ship you will lose if you do it in high-sec as the fee you pay to express your opinion on their business dealings.
The fundamental problem is that there is no way for CONCORD to identify a 'real scam' vs. a 'crappy but legit deal' vs. a 'guy falsely claiming scam to grief someone'. So really what this would be if implemented is a way to place bounty on someone that causes the NPCs to also attack them. And that seems gamebreaking to me.
Obviously none of this matters if the scammers stay in station. Which they can easily do, and conduct all their legit business and flying-around business on an alt. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1159
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:49:00 -
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There should be a system to report people who post terrible suggestions on the forums to CONCORD. |
My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:52:00 -
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Elliavir wrote:My Dream wrote:we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way You can already put a bounty on anyone - put enough on them and they become worth ganking even in high-sec with CONCORD response. You can also gank them yourself - and view the ship you will lose if you do it in high-sec as the fee you pay to express your opinion on their business dealings. The fundamental problem is that there is no way for CONCORD to identify a 'real scam' vs. a 'crappy but legit deal' vs. a 'guy falsely claiming scam to grief someone'. So really what this would be if implemented is a way to place bounty on someone that causes the NPCs to also attack them. And that seems gamebreaking to me. Obviously none of this matters if the scammers stay in station. Which they can easily do, and conduct all their legit business and flying-around business on an alt.
repeated reports would get flagged a simple api check with ccp tools would validate a scam and then its open season im not suggesting a single report from one grudgy would trigger it |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1248
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:55:00 -
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My Dream wrote:we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way
You can already do this by using the bounty system and pay concord so they close their eyes or look on the other side when the one claiming the bounty puts the misery on them.
The main issue you have, which is not a small one in this game is those characters mostly are 50K sp characters or slightly more, often bots, and NEVER undock.
But as you see it's another issue. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:58:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:My Dream wrote:we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way You can already do this by using the bounty system and pay concord so they close their eyes or look on the other side when the one claiming the bounty puts the misery on them. The main issue you have, which is not a small one in this game is those characters mostly are 50K sp characters or slightly more, often bots, and NEVER undock. But as you see it's another issue.
API would validate which character the isk went to from the scam alt thats where the confiscation bit kicks in |
Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:01:00 -
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I wish I could report your posting to Concord. ^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7 |
My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:04:00 -
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Victor Dathar wrote:I wish I could report your posting to Concord.
come up with a better idea to deal with scamming . nothing should be risk free in eve
listening ..............
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Aurilen Baxtab
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:05:00 -
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A word about bounties - put a high enough bounty on someone and they will log in on an alt account and pod themselves to get the reward. |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:06:00 -
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Space police force named after grapes, avenge me! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:08:00 -
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My Dream wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:My Dream wrote:we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way You can already do this by using the bounty system and pay concord so they close their eyes or look on the other side when the one claiming the bounty puts the misery on them. The main issue you have, which is not a small one in this game is those characters mostly are 50K sp characters or slightly more, often bots, and NEVER undock. But as you see it's another issue. API would validate which character the isk went to from the scam alt thats where the confiscation bit kicks in Nope, that's a terrible idea. Scam victims usually have noone to blame but themselves, because the scam relies on the victim being greedy, and often as not stupid as well. I've been there myself, best part of a billion gone on a margin trading scam, because I was greedy.
Trawling through the database to find out where isk has gone is probably quite labour intensive and time consuming, and as such should be reserved for going after people who are breaking the EULA. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1707
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:08:00 -
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How about you not fall for scams? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3736
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:09:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:How does a 2004 character not understand how bad this idea is????
What is the Character Bazaar for 200 Alex.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:10:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:How about you not fall for scams?
so you think scamming should be the only risk free money maker in eve =p
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My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:12:00 -
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still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:18:00 -
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My Dream wrote:still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts How much did you lose? All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy.
Also Features and Ideas would be a better place to have posted, you tend to get a better class of ridicule in there. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1628
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:20:00 -
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Aurilen Baxtab wrote:A word about bounties - put a high enough bounty on someone and they will log in on an alt account and pod themselves to get the reward.
well, 20% of the value of their loss, anyway. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3736
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:21:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts How much did you lose? All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy.
I'm guessing OP fell victim to the margin trading scam, so many players are doing it now. It's like an IQ test for working in trade hubs. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1707
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:21:00 -
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My Dream wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:How about you not fall for scams? so you think scamming should be the only risk free money maker in eve =p
It's hardly risk free. It takes time and isk to cultivate scams. They don't always work out.
As it is, the point remains: stop being ignorant, and educate yourself about scams. Stop falling for them, and you will no longer care who sits all day, docked up and scamming.
Alternatively, there are a vast number of medicated ointments designed to ease mild discomfort in the perianal area. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
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My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:21:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts How much did you lose? All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy. Also Features and Ideas would be a better place to have posted, you tend to get a better class of ridicule in there.
so you fully endorse the idea that making isk in eve should be completely risk free
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1707
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:24:00 -
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My Dream wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts How much did you lose? All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy. Also Features and Ideas would be a better place to have posted, you tend to get a better class of ridicule in there. so you fully endorse the idea that making isk in eve should be completely risk free
Probably about as much as he endorses the idea that pissing and moaning on the forums as a result of your own ignorance should be risk free. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:25:00 -
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keep the personal insults at me going guys . gotta love the endangered scammers |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:29:00 -
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My Dream wrote:Victor Dathar wrote:I wish I could report your posting to Concord. come up with a better idea to deal with scamming . nothing should be risk free in eve listening ..............
Yeah, do like the rest of us..read. Pay attention. Rub a few brain cells together. |
SpoonRECKLESS
Veldspar United
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:30:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14186
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:33:00 -
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My Dream wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts How much did you lose? All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy. Also Features and Ideas would be a better place to have posted, you tend to get a better class of ridicule in there. so you fully endorse the idea that making isk in eve should be completely risk free Nope, you're kind of jumping to conclusions there. CCP implicitly allow scamming, it's up to us, the players, to provide the consequences. It's also up to us, the players, to take responsibility for their own ignorance and greed. If you'd read one of my previous posts you would see that I have been the victim of a scam to the tune of the best part of a billion isk. Do you know what I did about it? I congratulated the scammer and then asked how he'd done it, I learnt a valuable lesson in how the market works in the process.
Knowledge is power, ignorance is not bliss, it's ignorance. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Zane Lowe
Aliastra Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:33:00 -
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Let's put a system in place which is highly abusable, will likely harm innocent players, and will take up a ton of GM time to solve something that isn't a problem.
How could that possibly go wrong. |
My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:35:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts How much did you lose? All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy. Also Features and Ideas would be a better place to have posted, you tend to get a better class of ridicule in there. so you fully endorse the idea that making isk in eve should be completely risk free Nope, you're kind of jumping to conclusions there. CCP implicitly allow scamming, it's up to us, the players, to provide the consequences. It's also up to us, the players, to take responsibility for their own ignorance and greed. If you'd read one of my previous posts you would see that I have been the victim of a scam to the tune of the best part of a billion isk. Do you know what I did about it? I congratulated the scammer and then asked how he'd done it, I learnt a valuable lesson in how the market works in the process.
i have no problem with CCP AND THERE STANCE ON SCAMMING . i do however have issue thats there no tool in game to get payback
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Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:39:00 -
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My Dream wrote:keep the personal insults at me going guys . gotta love the endangered scammers
Not a scammer - this is my main. My giant carebearing high-sec main. Ad hominem attacks don't support your argument... they just make it clear that you can't support your argument any other way.
The first time I see someone post a scam I block them. Keeps trade hubs really quiet for me. But, I don't have to evaluate nearly as many posted deals since I'm already ignoring the ones from known scammers.
You still haven't answered how CONCORD would identify actual scams... it's not that hard to arrange to have multiple reports (your suggestion) sent in from alternate accounts or corpmates or whatever.
You are fundamentally asking for the game to take a player's word (or however many words you consider a minimum to trigger this) that they were scammed. You are asking to automate a judgement call. You are trying to put a hard line between "legit deal" and "scam" into an area full of shades of grey.
As others have noted - scams rely on greed and ignorance. That doesn't make them ethical, but it does make them reasonably avoidable via the old adage "if it's too good to be true, it's probably a scam".
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My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:39:00 -
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and still i wait for a better idea to punish scammers |
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