Nod, pretty much the feeling of most players. CCP disagrees. Guess who wins?

Seriously, CCP, loot spew is an unfun and stupid mechanic. What does it add?

Maybe if you had read and found that you weren't supposed to try and do them alone and taken a friend like was intended then you wouldn't be making whine threads on the forums.

The mechanic allows you to play solo if you choose, but it rewards you if you play in a group like intended.


Deal with your choices and move on whiner.

If you cargo scan the hacking object before hacking it, you can see what's inside it and figure out which types of minicans to tractor in. That way, you can ignore the useless ones and only get what you need. Loot spew is perfectly fine.

EDIT: Use this website to determine which minicans to tractor. :)

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1309/Neural-Boost_minicontainer-loot-distribution.pdf

You know if you don't like the mechanic there are alot of other options out there for you to do

A second tier of competition for the best cans, even if that competition is simply against your own knowledge about what is good and what isn't. Alternatively, a reason to do sites in teams of more than one.

I quit hacking when they introduced this crap. Sold most of my hacking mods.



You sir, are an idiot. Not everyone has in game friends, and prefer doing things solo.

I just tried doing a relic site for the first time. I found the system core, cracked it open, and...wait why is all of my loot flying away and disappearing? What? What is this crap? How am I supposed to open these little cans while they fly away from me? Why aren't they appearing on my overview? Why are they flying away from me in the first place?

Seriously, CCP, loot spew is an unfun and stupid mechanic. What does it add? An irritating and difficult grab for all of the already-earned loot before it disappears in a few short seconds. That's it.

Hacking minigame: fun. Loot spew bullshit: not fun.

Get rid of loot spew. It's an unfun pain in the ass for no gain. The best you can do is not lose. The worst is lose everything. Hooray unnecessary penalty mechanics.

I just tried doing a relic site for the first time. I found the system core, cracked it open, and...wait why is all of my loot flying away and disappearing? What? What is this crap? How am I supposed to open these little cans while they fly away from me? Why aren't they appearing on my overview? Why are they flying away from me in the first place?

Seriously, CCP, loot spew is an unfun and stupid mechanic. What does it add? An irritating and difficult grab for all of the already-earned loot before it disappears in a few short seconds. That's it.

Hacking minigame: fun. Loot spew bullshit: not fun.

Get rid of loot spew. It's an unfun pain in the ass for no gain. The best you can do is not lose. The worst is lose everything. Hooray unnecessary penalty mechanics.

"Hey let's play a game at the end of this fun minigame where we take away some of what you just got depending on how well you do. Oh, and it's deliberately obtuse and annoying."

Gee thanks CCP.

Why did CCP "fix" what wasn't broken? idiots

Cool, cool, i can already see 10 man gangs plundering sites in hisec, to get like 1m loot.

For those that think it's fine and fun, go try it in a wormhole.

Scan the container and it's all junk, so just 2 quick losses and move on? Nope, you get unlimited chances in a wormhole, so you have to finish each can to clear the site.

Oh, just read the name on the can? Nope, you're in a blinding white cloud with mini cans with white names floating by.

Good, you've got a friend! Oh wait, you both clicked the same can, now you're doing a tug of war between you while the other cans you can't pull in yet blink and fade away.

CCP says they're going to iterate on it, so hopefully they fix some of the issues. I'm not holding out that much hope though.

Maybe if you had read and found that you weren't supposed to try and do them alone and taken a friend like was intended then you wouldn't be making whine threads on the forums.

The mechanic allows you to play solo if you choose, but it rewards you if you play in a group like intended.


Deal with your choices and move on whiner.

they should make stations destructible, and spew all loot everything in hangers + on market, that would be a fun spew

I just tried doing a relic site for the first time. I found the system core, cracked it open, and...wait why is all of my loot flying away and disappearing? What? What is this crap? How am I supposed to open these little cans while they fly away from me? Why aren't they appearing on my overview? Why are they flying away from me in the first place?

Seriously, CCP, loot spew is an unfun and stupid mechanic. What does it add? An irritating and difficult grab for all of the already-earned loot before it disappears in a few short seconds. That's it.

Hacking minigame: fun. Loot spew bullshit: not fun.

Get rid of loot spew. It's an unfun pain in the ass for no gain. The best you can do is not lose. The worst is lose everything. Hooray unnecessary penalty mechanics.

Apparently someone at CCP uses an alternate definition of "fun" that I am unaware of.

[quote=Katrina Oniseki]
Not to mention, its sort of more realistic (I dunno if they were aiming for that), but if you have an airtight container and crack it open in a vacuum, the change in pressure would spew the loot everywhere, and at an alarmingly fast rate too.

Oh man, I should totally split the pitiful, sub-20M per hour loot that I get with another person. Yeah. That'd be great!

e: this is in nullsec, too, by the way.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1309/Neural-Boost_minicontainer-loot-distribution.pdf

Bring a cargo scanner.

...Or maybe I just don't understand the market rammifications of random c*** being left in space to decay.

So, CCP said that if a player wants to grab all the loot from the site, then he needs to bring a friend. It sounded good. But in reality people are aiming for expensive stuff they scanned down with cargo scanners, and the rest turned out to be not really worth taking in comparision with that BPC or that bucket of materials... Or at all? So now that little of value is usually lost, I really starting to see why people are questioning if this this mech is necessary at all.

...Or maybe I just don't understand the market rammifications of random c*** being left in space to decay.

If everything had loot in it, it might make sense. But as it is, there is not often enough real loot for me to have missed something if I know what I am doing.

This means that adding a second player to the equation just halves your efficiency, thanks to the fact that someone thought it would be a great idea to have these literally worthless consolation prize drops in every can.

Here's a hint if anyone from CCP is listening. Those things aren't worth the time it takes to jetcan them. Those things, and those alone, ruin what otherwise might have been an interesting mechanic. Remove the consolation prize bullshit immediately.

If you cargo scan the hacking object before hacking it, you can see what's inside it and figure out which types of minicans to tractor in. That way, you can ignore the useless ones and only get what you need. Loot spew is perfectly fine.

EDIT: Use this website to determine which minicans to tractor. :)

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1309/Neural-Boost_minicontainer-loot-distribution.pdf

Where does one find the time to scan the things before their gone?

I totally enjoy working with people who will steal my things.

wait, do you mean stuff like random trash (metal fragments, etc.), or actual "it's not entirely crap, so you should feel good about it".

Because if it's literally trash ... well, I actually don't see anything wrong with it. Sure, it sucks to not get something good every time ... but that's life -- and it makes getting that Shadow Serpentis Control Tower all the sweeter (granted, those have been out of circulation for ages )

The players can simply unsubs. If you continue sending money to CCP, they will continue doing this kind of...things.

I have, and aside from the issue of loot spew, all of the data sites that I've scanned down--without exception--have been worth in their entirety (assuming you get every can) less than 10M.

... while you're waiting for the other guy to hack it (so you can steal the fruits of his labour).

Sorry you aren't part of a group that can come up with rules to govern itself, like "if you're at a site first it's yours."

I will intentionally fail the hacking game and detonate cans before I let someone else share the loot spew. If you hack a site yourself, in my view the spew is yours.

Sure, but that's your problem and your choice, not something that has anything to do with the mechanics or design of the sites.

I will intentionally fail the hacking game and detonate cans before I let someone else share the loot spew. If you hack a site yourself, in my view the spew is yours. I've had one person try to get in on my work and had to detonate the can to show I won't share with random thieves.

I do think there are times when you could bring others with you, particularly relic sites in null, but mostly that's not needed. Prioritize the loot spew cans and you'll do fine. I do.

I have mostly transitioned now to just taking a Stealth Bomber fitted with T2 rockets out there, to kill/ransom other explorers. Given how many people fit those Sister's probe launchers, paying me 15 mil to let them go is a bargain.

It's surprisingly lucrative, especially when they decline and their launcher drops.

I have mostly transitioned now to just taking a Stealth Bomber fitted with T2 rockets out there, to kill/ransom other explorers. Given how many people fit those Sister's probe launchers, paying me 15 mil to let them go is a bargain.

It's surprisingly lucrative, especially when they decline and their launcher drops.

It's certainly not like the mechanics of the game influence or incentivize players' behavior or anything.

You let them go? I never do. Its like eating potato chips - once you start you just cant stop.

I guess you prefer not getting all the loot then. Grath only speaks the truth. It was clearly stated during introduction that more reward would come to the ones that do this with others. This mechanic was to promote teamwork. This is a MMO after all. Go make some space friends bro, and get your loots!

Who the Hell does exploration as a group activity? If there was an activity in this game that screams solo casual player, exploration was it

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Hacking minigame: fun. Loot spew bullshit: not fun.

Who the Hell does exploration as a group activity? If there was an activity in this game that screams solo casual player, exploration was it.

Love spending the time probing down a site only to get there and watch 3/4 of the loot evaporate 5 seconds after cracking the sites.

I liked the old system because it kind of gave that old Star Trek "going where no man has gone before" feel of never knowing what you'll find.

[MrTinfoilHat]
The Odyssey release was an attempt to try and get more newbs into the empty wastelands of losec and null, as cannon fodder for established residents therein
The minigame is to keep them uncloaked longer and more importantly not watching local, so they are more easily grabbed while working a site
The loot spew is to get them to bring another sucker with them
[/MrTinfoilHat]

GǪthis is not a problem if you do it as a group. Granted, it's not actually a problem at all if you do it right, but if it were, grouping up would solve it.

Yeah let's group up to earn 10M ISK per site divided into two shares.

I'd just like take a moment here to give a shout-out to the person at CCP who did their math wrong and completely devalued all the exploration loot while we're on the subject.

And Tippia, you don't understand

Running it with 2 people does not magically make the site contain more value than it initially did.

Running it with 2 people does not magically make the site contain more value than it initially did.

It does mean you can go through the cans twice as quickly, and scan sites down 2 at a time.

"did you know doubling the number of people doubles the number of people doing something

Thanks for your valuable insight.

GǪwhich no-one has suggested. Again, you're only choosing to ignore the context.

If you don't get how adding a person means you don't miss out on half the valuables any more, then I can't really help you. At most, I can suggest medication and/or counselling; maybe some light teaching if the affliction is of a less advanced nature.

"did you know doubling the number of people doubles the number of people doing something

Thanks for your valuable insight.

Running it with 2 people does not magically make the site contain more value than it initially did.

RIP in peace, thread.

you need to get over the idea that you are "losing" anything, you can''t lose what you don't have in the first place. when you see a site has x isk you should be automatically thinking that in reality it has x*0.8 isk, or whatever your pickup rate.

this is how i did invention, you don't "lose" the failure invents, they simply average out over time and present their true cost when you take the expected value rather than the absolute value.

the spew at the moment actually discourages grouping ok. say there is 1 litre water coming out of a tap and you have a 800ml jug to catch it, you can only ever catch 800ml. if you bring another person and have 2 800ml jugs, and catch half the water each, you now have only 500ml of water each. a 3rd jug would mean only 333.33ml each

800ml solo
500ml 2 people
333ml 3 people

the more people the worse it gets. and that's without counting costs/risks like, being betrayed by partner, getting ganked etc.

the way to encourage grouping is synergy. the outcome must be more than the sum of the parts. you must be able to get >800ml out of the tap EACH before teaming up, and scale it up the more people come.

If it really were that hard to grab the valuable containers, prices for salvage and invention materials wouldn't have crashed so hard. You must be doing something wrong.

Rest in peace in peace? That doesn't make sense.

Actually, that has nothing to do with them. The decryptors are less easy to get than before. But there are roughly ten times as many people doing it, so the prices crashed.

It's our actions, not CCPs that caused the market crash for decryptors and stuff.

Yeah let's group up to earn 10M ISK per site divided into two shares.