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James Akachi Perkone Caldari State 10	Posted - 2013.10.08 06:47:00 - [31] - Quote Logix42 wrote: Must have: The option to invert mouse wheel zoom, it's soooo weird to have it different than my in-space settings A sad state when this is the request, rather than having space zoom operate like every other zoom, which I may mention hasn't even been an option in 10 years.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech 752	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:33:00 - [32] - Quote There are some very strange mastery V requirements, such as advanced targeting V for a cov-ops, please let me know the fit to get it to lock 12 targets... Also seems MJD V is needed for every ship for mastery V. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
Rain6637 Team Evil 1668	Posted - 2013.10.08 09:21:00 - [33] - Quote OMG THE RATTLESNAKE FLEW BY, BEHIND ISIS !!!!!!!jpaofijwpgoijapwoigj om.f.g. you need to make that happen faster, it only happened for me after sitting for... 5 minutes? ......this ship tree... IT'S BEAUTIFUL. and tech-y. I think it could be made more clear in the tree, that a ship is affected by two separate racial ship skills. in this case, the Guristas tree--I think it's a little confusing at first, to glean that Caldari + Gallente = Guristas. Even while knowing what skills affect Guristas ships, I had a difficult time understanding why there were three lines of ships being displayed with [what appears to be] equal importance. Guristas Ship Tree for those who cba if you don't mind some visual feedback: alternate tree or remove the frigate redundancy with grouping and clicking the ship square shuffles things around to make room for info within ISIS (just shoehorn it in place) last image: I think the lore should be visible from the basic view make everything go bip and boop! and flashy bits on mouseover (and such). ISIS as a skill planner? My spider senses tell me I'm using a smart skill planning interface, and so I find myself expecting it. something I can drool over, and dream about piloting the ship one day, AND map out my skills to get there. can I replace EVEMon with the client? heck, can I replace pyfa with the client? why is applied DPS such an arithmetic mystery when I graduated from a school of warfare? jEVE? come to think of it, if there's a widely used third party program, isn't it a clear indicator that it would be useful in the client and something you could be managing? why can't ISIS be a... Interbus EVErything Database? ISIS is more like a game and less like an OS lastly, I love ISIS Rainf1337 on Twitch

CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 2776	Posted - 2013.10.08 09:57:00 - [34] - Quote Certificates and masteries aren't final yet, they even aren't attached to the tree - so don't freak out if that's not up-to-date. Certificate feedback thread is located there: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=282827&find=unread Point taken regarding the Navy BCs missing, we will correct that.

Schmata Bastanold The brothers inc Brothers Of The Dark Sun 1011	Posted - 2013.10.08 10:43:00 - [35] - Quote I cannot say I am overwhelmed by this feature. Yeah it's cool and may be helpful for newbies but personally I don't see much use for it. I mean it doesn't add anything to gameplay, it is "just" nice visualisation of ships hierarchy. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Nar Tha Neural-Boost.com 162	Posted - 2013.10.08 10:59:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: Point taken regarding the Navy BCs missing, we will correct that. I think the Sansha carrier is missing as well. Also on a side note: Will all the special editions appear in ISIS?

CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 2776	Posted - 2013.10.08 12:15:00 - [37] - Quote Nar Tha wrote: CCP Ytterbium wrote: Point taken regarding the Navy BCs missing, we will correct that. I think the Sansha carrier is missing as well. Also on a side note: Will all the special editions appear in ISIS? Special edition ships won't appear in there no, ISIS only shows ships that can be manufactured and acquired through regular means.

Wey'oun Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings 135	Posted - 2013.10.08 12:42:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: Nar Tha wrote: CCP Ytterbium wrote: Point taken regarding the Navy BCs missing, we will correct that. I think the Sansha carrier is missing as well. Also on a side note: Will all the special editions appear in ISIS? Special edition ships won't appear in there no, ISIS only shows ships that can be manufactured and acquired through regular means. Surely the revenant isnt special edition? it can be manufactured by players and obtained by players independantly? Unless you are saying BPC drops are controlled by CCP?
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4159	Posted - 2013.10.08 12:49:00 - [39] - Quote ISIS is not opening for me when in CQ view. If I click on the blue arrow to enter hangar view, ISIS is available. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 672	Posted - 2013.10.08 13:06:00 - [40] - Quote This is happening with other things, and not just in ISIS. Someone else has reported (and I have confirmed) that dragging modules from one hotkey to another while in space causes the camera to move if you drag the module over an empty spot with no hotkey locations under it.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4159	Posted - 2013.10.08 13:17:00 - [41] - Quote The lines connecting "trained" portions of the tree to "untrained" portions of the tree are a little faint. The hysteresis in ISIS content tracking mouse movement is annoying. I would prefer much less "momentum" or no momentum at all. There is insufficient indication of which races' ships I can fly: the Ship Tree panel that pops up (which I didn't even notice until I realised that only Gallente ships were displayed) shows all factions with equal priority. It would be nice if factions were highlighted or muted in some way to indicate which faction ships I do or do not have the skills to fly. Thus, for example, as a pilot with Minmatar and Gallente piloting skills suitable for Minmatar frigates, destroyers and cruisers and suitable for Gallente frigates and destroyers, I should have some indication that there are Gallente, Minmatar and Angel Cartel ships accessible with my skill set. The Ship Tree panel does not show up well when ISIS content is underneath it. Strategies I use for translucent terminal windows on OS X (just as an example) include adding blurriness and increasing the opacity, to allow the text in the terminal window (or in this case, the Ship Tree panel) to be discernible above background noise (such as the lines and graphics of the ISIS content). Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4159	Posted - 2013.10.08 13:49:00 - [42] - Quote ISIS needs more cowbellGÇª I mean radial menus. I dislike the "click on something to make a new window appear" workflow, and I intensely dislike the "mouse-over, then try to mouse up and to the left to click on something else to make a new window appear while an animation happens in the background." This UI feels like it was developed by engineers. Here is how I would do it: click on a ship icon in ISIS content to bring up a radial menu containing options: "view model", "show info", "view market details", "show in contracts", etc. Display the fly-by preview for the duration of the radial menu being open. I don't like the "tooltip" hovering over icons in such a way that I cannot mouse back up to a different row of ships if I inadvertently mouse down to a different row of ships. Replacing the tooltip with a radial menu entry should alleviate this issue. Otherwise consider moving the mouse-over information somewhere else and removing the interactive portion of that display. Perhaps link from the currently displayed faction's ships to other compatible factions, especially where the pilot has the ability to fly those other faction ships. Thus from the Caldari tree link to Worm from the Caldari Frigate skill, Gila from the Caldari Cruiser skill and Rattlesnake from the Caldari Battleship skill. Clicking on those skills would switch to the Guristas tree (since clicking on the ships opens up the radial menu). You already have the Caldari and Gallente ships shown on the Guristas view. My CDO demands that you line up the pirate factions with the empire factions that they fall between, or at least try to put some order into their display. Thus the Sanshas logo should appear under and between the Amarr and Caldari logos, Guristas between Caldari and Gallente, Angel between Gallente and Minmatar. Of course this gets confusing when Angel, Serpentis and ORE have Gallente and Minmatar heritage (even if ORE ships don't require Gallente & Minmatar skills). Thank you for being patient with me as I complain loudest about the work that you were proudest of. (CDO: it's like OCD, but all the letters are in alphabetical order, like they should be) Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4159	Posted - 2013.10.08 13:52:00 - [43] - Quote ISIS seems to be confused about the requirements for flying Sanshas ships: the top row shows Amarr as it should, the bottom row shows Gallente instead of Caldari. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4159	Posted - 2013.10.08 13:57:00 - [44] - Quote It would be really nice to have an ISIS view that shows what ships I can fly by various mastery levels. Then I could ask ISIS, "hey ISIS, show me ships that I have mastery level 3 for" and it would show me GÇª um GÇª hang on a sec, I don't have mastery level 3 to fly anything? What is this nonsense? Show me the ships I have mastery level 2 for? Ah, that's better. I like flying the Osprey because I love asymmetrical ships. So let's see what I need for mastery level 3 on the Osprey GÇª [and off I go to disappear into the rabbit hole of training for mastery, having found that I am missing key skills that a large number of ships require for level 3 mastery] Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Pheadra Aurilen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.10.08 14:42:00 - [45] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: ISIS is not opening for me when in CQ view. If I click on the blue arrow to enter hangar view, ISIS is available. I can confirm this is the case for me as well. Repairing the Sisi client and repatching has not solved the problem.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 1665	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:23:00 - [46] - Quote You are missing the Daredevil in the Serpentis ships also. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement
Talman Drak Blue Pheonix Services 0	Posted - 2013.10.08 20:27:00 - [47] - Quote To be honest i was more of a fan of the hologram look shown at fanfest than the icon look. it gave ALOT more sense of scale, and really highlighted the physical differences from one ship to another. Additionally i noticed that if you dock with ISIS open, the station background replaces the ISIS background awkwardly. However closing and reopening ISIS fixes the issue. I will play with it a bit more as time goes on and will report back any notes i have. :)
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda 1097	Posted - 2013.10.09 01:48:00 - [48] - Quote The sidebar icon has a different style from the other sidebar icons The flyby effect in the background is cool, but too short, the angle from which the ships are shown does not show the complexity of many models (Gallente or ORE ships are much better) there is no keyboard navigation (at least integrate the directional keys) dragging the whole thing only works when dragging empty space, but not when dragging a panel i like holograms google maps tought me to scroll towards the screen to zoom in, the ISIS works the other way around, why is that ? wouldn't some kind of integration of the compare tool make sense ? opening the map hides the Station Services, opening the ISIS does not undocking while the ISIS is open does something different than opening the ISIS while in space some kind of "you are really really close to having mastery X for ship Y and should consider training it" may, or may not be useful (showing low hanging fruit) i don't like the way industrial ships are presented vs the way combat ships are presented (in the racial shiplines). currently you are using a <-ish structure, a V-ish structure may be more appropriate We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :) Banner was used for this Post
Arduemont 12 pound opinion 2081	Posted - 2013.10.09 18:25:00 - [49] - Quote Currently not working whilst docked up. Working as intended? When you view as ship, where it moves past in the background, that is awesome. I think perhaps it should be more obvious or happen when you simply click on them. Also, it could use being a lot slower so that it can be appreciated. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Jeanne-Luise Argenau Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.10.11 23:00:00 - [50] - Quote maybe i should at it to certificates but just found it via isis. t3 ships may also use warfare links starting with lvl 3. Because u dont need it if u go in it as a fighter.
Tanaka Aiko ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation 195	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:23:00 - [51] - Quote That's a pretty good idea, and will help a lot with masteries The position of the tree is wrong most of the time, also we need a way to move the camera on the ships appearing on the background. You need to find a way to have a price tag for supers also. And I don't know at all what you will put on the placeholder buttons. Maybe you should also do a little something for modules ; you give info to ships, but nothing for modules. You could put some tree on the naming convention for meta and such, or other visual help on how some modules are better than others. How about adding on the ship tree informations on the basic choice of weapon and defense, linked to his bonus? Like a little icon for heavy/ham missiles and shields for the drake for example, which link to either the mastery or the item
Bienator II madmen of the skies 2082	Posted - 2013.10.12 17:11:00 - [52] - Quote a little detail i don't like is how it centers the tree on the screen when you open it. The rookie ship is in the screen center and 90% of the tree is off screen. I think it would make a better first impression if you would put the rookie ship on the bottom left of the screen (not completely at the bottom but you know what i mean). This would be the initial position, the next time you open the tree it would remember the position and zoom level. (UI persistence) testcase: you look at the BC group and switch race expected: tree updates and you see the BC group of selected race, zoom and tree position does not change current: tree position and zoom level resets, you see a rookie ship and have to find the BC group again eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 1098	Posted - 2013.10.13 08:09:00 - [53] - Quote I'd like to give feedback on this feature but it's completely broken for me (as in nothing happens when I click its icon). I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.
Salpun Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects 647	Posted - 2013.10.13 11:39:00 - [54] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: I'd like to give feedback on this feature but it's completely broken for me (as in nothing happens when I click its icon). Have you sent a bug report? Devs need to know your os.
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 1005	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:58:00 - [55] - Quote I think the thing that's bugging me most about this feature is that you can't zoom out far enough to see the entire tree for a given race/faction unless you completely turn off the rest of the UI. Agreed with Ctaus - it would be really cool to be able to make the ship cross-sections scale to each other so you can see how big one ship is compared to another. Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 1102	Posted - 2013.10.15 16:30:00 - [56] - Quote After looking back through the other replies I found that the tree doesn't work when in CQ view. I switched to hanger view and could see it. I'm assuming this is a bug that will be corrected. I'll echo two things that others have said; it would be very nice if the view was zoomed out enough when initially opened so that you could see the entire tree. I also really like the idea of applying the radial menu here. It would be a perfect fit usability-wise. Lastly, other UI elements get in the way and make certain buttons inaccessible (in my case the faction icons due to where I have my local channel window placed). I truly hate to sound like one of those curmudgeons but, from my standpoint, this new view seems more about form than function. It's more cumbersome to use when I just need to quickly check what level I have various ships trained to. Looking at a simple list under the Spaceship Command category is a lot faster. I'll concede that having the ship progression presented visually in this fashion will likely make things more clear for newer players but, for me, it's a step backwards. Overall, I suppose the benefits to newer players outweigh the minor inconveniences for veterans. I hope you'll consider the zoom issue and radial menu adoption suggestions. Those changes would add greatly to this feature's usability. I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.
Manic Velocity Furious Angels 22	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:49:00 - [57] - Quote I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but the ability to navigate with the keyboard would be much better. Use the directional keys to center a ship on your screen Ship name and attributes show up automatically once the ship is centered on screen Hit Enter to open the 'Show Info' window == Furious Angels [FRANG] is recruiting! == * Lowsec PvP & PvE * Friendly, mature environment * Alcohol encouraged
Lost Hamster FREE GATES 111	Posted - 2013.10.19 10:26:00 - [58] - Quote Have this feature been removed from the last build? 629686 I have looked around, but couldn't find it.
MuraSaki Siki Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan 24	Posted - 2013.10.20 04:56:00 - [59] - Quote there is a ship class icon(upward arrow like) associate to the ship class in the ship tree would the ship icon in the overview tab follow these ship icon? would the old square blanket be replaced?
Bienator II madmen of the skies 2099	Posted - 2013.10.20 17:07:00 - [60] - Quote i am wondering if you guys plan to do do something similar for weapon systems. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW

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